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Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: mussie on December 08, 2007, 10:50:08 PM: Dear Mr Hitech......

PLEASE change the collision model message from "You have collided" and "Player X has collided with you" to "A collision has been detected on your PC" and "A collision has been detected on Player x's PC"

PPL are just to stupid/ignorant to get it.....

Please HT Please I just cant take any more collision threads....

P.S. If you can see you way to do this I will finally pull my finger out and write chapter 10...... I mean you want to know if Fluffy is ok dont you..... :)
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: Slash27 on December 08, 2007, 11:15:18 PM: dont read collision threads? maybe?
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: hubsonfire on December 08, 2007, 11:43:03 PM: To paraphrase HT from some other ancient discussion, they'll believe what they want to, regardless of anything he says, or any messages in the game. There is no way to win- if there's no message, people complain about no ping kills. If there's a message, they complain about the collision model.

I think adding collision and ram to the text filter is about the best he could manage. Of course, then people would complain about not being able to complain, and he would still suffer the consequences of people trying to occupy space currently occupied by something else, and angered by the fact that they cannot.
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: Bucky73 on December 08, 2007, 11:57:34 PM: Dear HTC,

Please stop letting people post stuff I don't want to read.
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: detch01 on December 08, 2007, 11:59:52 PM: The easiest thing to do is to just turn off collisions altogether. Until the laws of physics are repealed and a bad ping is less than a millisecond or two and everyone's connection is warp-free, accurately seeing the same collision on both front ends just isn't going happen. Sure it's gamey, but AH is a game and it will sure cut down on the whinage from players who haven't yet found the ON switch for their brain pans.

My $0.02

asw
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: B@tfinkV on December 09, 2007, 12:00:42 AM: dear HTC,

please take away Bucky's 20mm cannon from his hurricane.
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: mussie on December 09, 2007, 12:09:43 AM: Dear HTC please are my B17's with the 20mm Vulcans you had on the RV-8
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: ROC on December 09, 2007, 01:35:08 AM: Collisions On, HOs actual and cried about are readily available, even with the risk of a collision.

Collisions Off, oh my oh my, no risk :O

Nonono, keep em on please.
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: sunfan1121 on December 09, 2007, 03:58:45 AM: Quote
Originally posted by hubsonfire
To paraphrase HT from some other ancient discussion, they'll believe what they want to, regardless of anything he says, or any messages in the game. There is no way to win- if there's no message, people complain about no ping kills. If there's a message, they complain about the collision model.

I think adding collision and ram to the text filter is about the best he could manage. Of course, then people would complain about not being able to complain, and he would still suffer the consequences of people trying to occupy space currently occupied by something else, and angered by the fact that they cannot.

:confused: :huh
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: sunfan1121 on December 09, 2007, 03:59:55 AM: Quote
Originally posted by mussie
Dear HTC please are my B17's with the 20mm Vulcans you had on the RV-8

i thought they were 30mm
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: BMathis on December 09, 2007, 04:00:19 AM: Quote
Originally posted by hubsonfire
There is no way to win- if there's no message, people complain about no ping kills.

There shouldn't be a way to win a collision. Are you serious? Think about it folks...
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: mussie on December 09, 2007, 04:10:39 AM: Quote
Originally posted by bnasty
There shouldn't be a way to win a collision. Are you serious? Think about it folks...

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BUT ONLY ONE PLAYER IS ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN A COLLISION AND HE DOES TAKE DAMAGE....
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: Bronk on December 09, 2007, 07:19:17 AM: Quote
Originally posted by detch01
The easiest thing to do is to just turn off collisions altogether. Until the laws of physics are repealed and a bad ping is less than a millisecond or two and everyone's connection is warp-free, accurately seeing the same collision on both front ends just isn't going happen. Sure it's gamey, but AH is a game and it will sure cut down on the whinage from players who haven't yet found the ON switch for their brain pans.

My $0.02

asw

No the easiest thing to do is not to allow yourself to get TOO CLOSE. Have you though about the stupidity that would ensue with collisions turned off? No longer will we have to aim, just squeeze the trigger and fly through em. I'm sure those lumbering buff drivers will just love that feature.
Now if people would remember it is a game and except the fact they aren't perfect, things would be ok.

Ohh and 99% of the whine about collisions are from the people who see the "You have collided.". They assume its the other guy who caused it.
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: Bronk on December 09, 2007, 07:27:59 AM: Quote
Originally posted by bnasty
There shouldn't be a way to win a collision. Are you serious? Think about it folks...

Yes I'm serious there is no way to win a collision. Think you need to think about it.
Tell me whats to decide on who "wins a collision"
Tangle's external from his front end the moment of impact.

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/Tanglesview.jpg)

Same basic angle external, tangle's view from my front end moment of impact.

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/myview.jpg)

There is no decision to be made. I ran into tangle I take damage.
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: FBplmmr on December 09, 2007, 08:00:34 AM: Two separate collision threads!!! At the same time!!! It's like Christmas came early this year!!!
:rofl
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: Heater on December 09, 2007, 08:49:14 AM: Please HTC...

Do not let HiTech out of his cage until he stops being a PUTZ...

He will never be released

and BTW it Hitech's Fault no matter what happens it's his fault! please remember this
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: Rich46yo on December 09, 2007, 10:14:30 AM: No matter what my computer see's, or his "see's" many collisions are caused by stupid flying on the part of one party. If not actual intent to collide.

Like yesterday I was in bombers with 5 fighters on me within 1,000 yrds, if not even closer. Ever try fighting 5 fighters alone in a bomber when all are in your/their kill box? My only intent was to take as many down with me as I could, and I did hit a few of them already.

Well one guy in a spit was right under flying in circles all around me trying to impress some other cartoon guy with his Spit prowess. I hit him a few times and then just kept an eye on him. I had 4 other fighters far more dangerous to worry about, leveled out, with a shooting solution on me, "which the Spit never had cause he was dancing around like an idiot".

So whats the guy in the Spit do? While hes spinning circles around me he hits one of my wings, "or at least MY computer saw him hit", end of fight, the fighters I hit all made it down to the base they were right over, and I ended up 0-3 k/d.

Thats the entire problem with this collision model. It rewards poor flying.
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: bj229r on December 09, 2007, 10:17:04 AM: "dweeb collided with you" Dweeb flies away, I fall to ground in pieces

"You have collided with Dweeb" Dweeb flies away, I fall to ground in pieces
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: Rich46yo on December 09, 2007, 10:25:35 AM: Quote
Originally posted by bj229r
"dweeb collided with you" Dweeb flies away, I fall to ground in pieces

"You have collided with Dweeb" Dweeb flies away, I fall to ground in pieces

Actually that was the message I got, "Dweeb has collided with you", and then " """ has killed you".:huh
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: FBplmmr on December 09, 2007, 10:30:43 AM: Quote
Originally posted by bj229r
"dweeb collided with you" Dweeb flies away, I fall to ground in pieces

"You have collided with Dweeb" Dweeb flies away, I fall to ground in pieces

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAXDOGiBq5A&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAXDOGiBq5A&feature=related)

:cry
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: RATTFINK on December 09, 2007, 10:49:16 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ROC
Collisions On, HOs actual and cried about are readily available, even with the risk of a collision.

Collisions Off, oh my oh my, no risk :O

Nonono, keep em on please.

(http://bluebuddies.com/gallery/Regular_Smurfs/jpg/20079_Jolly_Smurf.jpg)
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: E25280 on December 09, 2007, 10:49:47 AM: Quote
Originally posted by hubsonfire
To paraphrase HT from some other ancient discussion, they'll believe what they want to, regardless of anything he says, or any messages in the game. There is no way to win- if there's no message, people complain about no ping kills. If there's a message, they complain about the collision model.

I think adding collision and ram to the text filter is about the best he could manage. Of course, then people would complain about not being able to complain, and he would still suffer the consequences of people trying to occupy space currently occupied by something else, and angered by the fact that they cannot.
Quoted for Truth.
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: GunnerCAF on December 09, 2007, 11:49:50 AM: Don't hit anything and you won't turn into a ball of flame... seems easy enough to understand to me.

My second choice, no collisions... oh wait, now someone can HO and fire as they pass right though you, so make HO shots not count.... oh wait a minute, now we can make a safe pass by flying right at people and keep running... now we don't have to worry about reality and gamey play.

Gunner
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: hubsonfire on December 09, 2007, 12:14:46 PM: Quote
Originally posted by bnasty
There shouldn't be a way to win a collision. Are you serious? Think about it folks...

Am I serious? That's not even what I said.

edit: There's no way for HiTech to win. He's got thousands of customers who spend tens of thousands of hours every month trying to kill each other. Not surprisingly, they get upset when they get killed trying to kill each other. No matter what, someone gets mad. I think that's why he doesn't even reply to these threads anymore- it's an exercise in futility for him.
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: kamilyun on December 09, 2007, 12:41:55 PM: Bronk's shots from those films should be sticked, and a new rule should be added to the forum posting rules:

#18 (Or whatever). Do not post about rams, collisions, etc. Please see the pictures below.
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: hubsonfire on December 09, 2007, 12:49:01 PM: Quote
Originally posted by bj229r
"dweeb collided with you" Dweeb flies away, I fall to ground in pieces

Dweeb shot you, then collided with you. You took damage from guns. Dweeb took damage, just not enough to take him down.

Quote
Originally posted by bj229r
"You have collided with Dweeb" Dweeb flies away, I fall to ground in pieces

You took damage from the collision. You might also have been shot. Hard to say without film.

Quote
Originally posted by Rich46yo
Actually that was the message I got, "Dweeb has collided with you", and then " """ has killed you".

Dweeb shot you, then collided with you. The collision didn't damage you. The collision model doesn't reward poor flying, it doesn't even know what flying is. It looks at the data regarding positions, and when it sees that you are trying to occupy space already occupied by something else, it lets you know. That's about it.
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: mussie on December 09, 2007, 01:58:35 PM: Quote
Originally posted by hubsonfire
There's no way for HiTech to win. He's got thousands of customers who spend tens of thousands of hours every month trying to kill each other.

Lol

Makes what we do sound a bit psychotic dont you think.....

Trying to kill each other that is lol.....
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: bj229r on December 09, 2007, 02:03:19 PM: Quote
Originally posted by hubsonfire
Dweeb shot you, then collided with you. You took damage from guns. Dweeb took damage, just not enough to take him down.

You took damage from the collision. You might also have been shot. Hard to say without film.

Dweeb shot you, then collided with you. The collision didn't damage you. The collision model doesn't reward poor flying, it doesn't even know what flying is. It looks at the data regarding positions, and when it sees that you are trying to occupy space already occupied by something else, it lets you know. That's about it.
Dang, must happen that way every time
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: mussie on December 09, 2007, 02:14:17 PM: I would like to take this time to Apologise to the Community as a whole for starting this thread....

It was a mistake I am currently punishing myself for it...

For those interested the punishment involves a nail gun, three live Piranas, Two rabid Brown Bears, A jar of Honey and my wedding tackle... :p

LOL..... I need sleep

Mwhahahahahah
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: Bronk on December 09, 2007, 02:22:28 PM: Quote
Originally posted by bj229r
Dang, must happen that way every time

Film?

Ohh wait I forgot, there never ever is.
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: mussie on December 09, 2007, 02:31:57 PM: Anyone remeber aliens

That scene in the medlab where Newt and Ripley are trapped and the Marines come charging in to save the day..

And Newt has a face hugger tail jammed between the wall and the trolly....

And she screams at Hudson "KILL IT KILL IT"

Yeah you do....

Well Replace Newt with a 250 pound Aussie Bloke

Replace the face hugger with this thread

Replace Hudson with Skuzzy.... (lol give me Skuzzy of Hudson any day)

Ok ya got that picture in your mind...

[SIZE=20]Kill it Kill it[/SIZE]
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: hubsonfire on December 09, 2007, 02:40:52 PM: One of these days, mussie, we're going to come get you, and beat you like the collision thread pony.
Title: Hitech..... Enough Is Enough
Post by: bj229r on December 09, 2007, 02:50:22 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Bronk
Film?

Ohh wait I forgot, there never ever is.
I never film stuff, though I suppose I ought, would make me better stick (that and I'm dialup)