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Barack Obama:
The 2nd Coming of Christ
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The Antichrist
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(discuss)
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"Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. But be sure of this, that if the Head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, He would have been on the alert and would not have allowed His house to be broken into. For this reason you be ready too; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will. Who then is the faithful and sensible slave whom his Master put in charge of his household to give them their food at the proper time? Blessed is that slave whom his Master finds so doing when he comes. Truly I say to you, that He will put him in charge of all his possessions."
Matthew 24:19-20
(This is bound not to clear things up for anyone, but I bet they'll think it does.)
;) :D
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He's a Senator. He's running for president on promises that he can't deliver. Ideas that will be met with roadblocks left and right. Trying his best to keep skeletons hid in the closet that everyone in other camps are trying to find.
2nd coming? No frikin way. None of them are.
Antichrist? Beats me...ya check his head for 666? Maybe his real name is Damien?
All the canidates on BOTH sides.....are all the same with differant words. Liars and cheats. Nothing more than that.
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Antichrist
I regularly mistake and call him Osama when talking about him
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Originally posted by RedTop
He's a Senator. He's running for president on promises that he can't deliver. Ideas that will be met with roadblocks left and right. Trying his best to keep skeletons hid in the closet that everyone in other camps are trying to find.
2nd coming? No frikin way. None of them are.
Antichrist? Beats me...ya check his head for 666? Maybe his real name is Damien?
All the canidates on BOTH sides.....are all the same with differant words. Liars and cheats. Nothing more than that.
sadly this post pretty well sums it up
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yaaaaaaaawnnnnn...
hm?
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Originally posted by RedTop
He's a Senator. He's running for president on promises that he can't deliver. Ideas that will be met with roadblocks left and right. Trying his best to keep skeletons hid in the closet that everyone in other camps are trying to find.
2nd coming? No frikin way. None of them are.
Antichrist? Beats me...ya check his head for 666? Maybe his real name is Damien?
All the canidates on BOTH sides.....are all the same with differant words. Liars and cheats. Nothing more than that.
Redtop thats a ageless quote, that could be said as well during the times of Greece or Rome or now. It will never change, untill man realizes he cannot govern himself or pass judgement on his fellow man.
It will always stay the same
Unfortunately the world as we know it was doomed to fail from it's very thought inception.
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Originally posted by RedTop
All the canidates on BOTH sides.....are all the same with differant words. Liars and cheats. Nothing more than that.
Isn't RP supposed to be somewhat of an exception to that rule?:t
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Bareback Osama...:rofl
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I don't understand why dems have a problem with people using his middle name; Hussein, yet W. or "DUBYA" is fair game, and one of the most recognizeable icons in anti bush campaign?
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If I run in 12 years will you guys vote for me? I think i am better than any else we got now
CBASS FOR PREZ!:p
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
Redtop thats a ageless quote, that could be said as well during the times of Greece or Rome or now. It will never change, untill man realizes he cannot govern himself or pass judgement on his fellow man.
It will always stay the same
Unfortunately the world as we know it was doomed to fail from it's very thought inception.
Well thanks Lead, I certainly feel better about my day now:)
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honestly I could live happier with an Obama in the white house than another clinton.
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zero experience .. hope to heck we are not that stupid to elect such a rookie but I am not that sure we are not
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Originally posted by bj229r
Well thanks Lead, I certainly feel better about my day now:)
Glad to help my friend...;) Welcome to the view of the world of Leadpig.
It's my world you just in it. lol :D
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The only good thing about Obama is he's taking Clinton to task over her record, and lack of one. The other candidates on the Democratic side are too shy to ask her the hard questions.
Presidential? I dont think so. But its good to see him continuing to show Clinton for what she is. A fool who thinks she is entitled to the Presidency.
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osamabama is a total liberal socialist. If that is what you want then he is the second coming.
If you are a libertarian or individualist... he is the antichrist.
Like all liberal socialists tho.. he pretends not to be.. His voting record shows that he is one of the worst... he is exactly like klinton and every other candidate the democrats have thrown at us for the last few decades.
The days of democrats allowing a hubert humphrey to run are long gone.
lazs
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Bill Clinton may have been the most centrist President since Nixon. That's right I said Nixon.
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you have got to be kidding? The center must have shifted then.
Granted.. he had no morals and no core beliefs that could not be over run by any poll that came along but being easy to bend does not make for a center.
or... maybe you are talking about if he were the president of france?
lazs
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No lazs, I'm basing that on actual legislation and actions instead of opinion.
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I guess we have a different idea of center then.
lazs
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Bill Clinton may have been the most centrist President since Nixon. That's right I said Nixon.
the center of Monica's pie hole maybe
any "center" action from slick were due to the republicans holding the strings from 94 on
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Originally posted by midnight Target
No lazs, I'm basing that on actual legislation and actions instead of opinion.
More like he simply stayed out of the way while Newt and the Republican controled House and Senate get the country back on track economically. He just took the credit for it.
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so you are saying that if we have a really dishonest democrat in power who's core values are being liked and always following the polls and.. at the same time..the house and congress are both controlled by republicans.. we get... center?
lazs
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Just to be a smart-ass:
The US government--Legislature and President alike--are in the employ of the AMERICAN PEOPLE, and these polls are intended to get a sense of current American public opinion. I'd actually EXPECT Congress and the President of the United States to consider public opinion and @#$% the Party Line when making their decision.
Or was Lincoln just pulling the "Government of, by and for the PEOPLE" bit out of his ass?
I'm not condoning Clinton's dishonesty, but regardless of his motivation, at LEAST a President who shapes policy by the polls is showing he's LISTENING to the people who put him in office, which is more than I can say for the cowboy we've got in there now doing whatever the hell pleases him.
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Barack Obama
Barack Obama:
The 2nd Coming of Christ
or
The Antichrist
?
Neither. Just another Illinois political hack with Dick Durbin's hand up his ass. He's slick, attractive, appealing and at this time a complete lightweight with no legislative record to review or history of leadership. He has already dabbled in the typical Illinois corruption, but perhaps not enough, just yet, to make a difference. He is not a free thinker, he is not an independent he is part of the Illinois Democratic Machine.
Charon
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Originally posted by Saxman
The US government--Legislature and President alike--are in the employ of the AMERICAN PEOPLE, and these polls are intended to get a sense of current American public opinion. I'd actually EXPECT Congress and the President of the United States to consider public opinion and @#$% the Party Line when making their decision.
The US government is a representative democracy.
Representative Democracy (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/representative%20democracy)
Part of Speech: n
Definition: a type of democracy in which the citizens delegate authority to elected representatives
Direct Democracy (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/direct%20democracy)
Part of Speech: n
Definition: a form of democracy in which the people as a whole make direct decisions, rather than have those decisions made for them by elected representatives
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The operational part of representative democracy is that the people in office are supposed to represent what the PEOPLE want, NOT bend over so the anti-gun, pro-gun, Big Oil, King Cotton, Family Moralists, Ultra Christian Right, Miniority Interest, Creationist, Evolutionist, Atheist, Polygamist, Pro-Choice-ist, Abortionist, Pro Gay Marriage-ist, ANTI Gay Marriage-ist etc., etc., ETC. lobbies can jam their hands up the representatives' tulips and use them as their own personal hand-puppets.
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Originally posted by Eagler
zero experience .. hope to heck we are not that stupid to elect such a rookie but I am not that sure we are not
Yup, recent history should give u little hope, considering how little thought we use in considering someone fit for office. Red or Blue? Pacaderm or Equine? Promises of tax reform or balanced budget?
I was dismayed, in the last presidential election, an elementary school held a mock election on election day. They were given no information about the candidates, just names on the ballot (Bush, Kerry and I don't even think Nader's name was lsted:eek: )
The results were just about equal to the real results percentage wise. I don't exactly remember, but I think it was like a 2 percent difference. I honestly believe some of the kids flipped a coin. Most of them treated it like a popularity contest :rolleyes: (oh, that's right it is).
Don't forget Arnold Swarzencantspellya and Gray Davis in California. Experienced????
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Originally posted by NitroFish
The US government is a representative democracy.
Representative Democracy (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/representative%20democracy)
Part of Speech: n
Definition: a type of democracy in which the citizens delegate authority to elected representatives
Direct Democracy (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/direct%20democracy)
Part of Speech: n
Definition: a form of democracy in which the people as a whole make direct decisions, rather than have those decisions made for them by elected representatives
With most of the american people able to have access to the internet, I've often wondered if we'd ever switch over to a direct democracy, or if it would be worth it to change at all.
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Originally posted by Tango
More like he simply stayed out of the way while Newt and the Republican controled House and Senate get the country back on track economically. He just took the credit for it.
You seriously have to be kidding. So who's fault is it the country has become so screwed up under Bush? Is it also the fault of the Republican controlled House and Senate?
You damn sure can't blame that on the Democrats as they haven't had control long enough.
The difference is Clinton didn't cave to the threats of shutting down the govt. He let them do it and made them come up with a budget that worked.
Maybe you need a little history lesson..
http://www.cnn.com/US/9512/budget/budget_battle/index.html
The budget was fixed because Bill Clinton didn't give in to the Republican scare tactics. He made them come up with something that worked.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
With most of the american people able to have access to the internet, I've often wondered if we'd ever switch over to a direct democracy, or if it would be worth it to change at all.
What we have now and what it was suppose to be are very different. But I wouldn't want a direct democracy. On the whole, the American people scare the living crap out of me. These are people that have a difficult time walking and chewing gum.
The problem with a direct democracy is when the majority realize they can vote themselves anything they want without regard for individual's liberties and freedoms.
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are you sure you want direct democracy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANTDkfkoBaI
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Originally posted by SD67
Isn't RP supposed to be somewhat of an exception to that rule?:t
They all "claim" to be an exception....They are all liars....and cheats....playing the Im differant card works on some...but for me....I don't trust a dog catcher if he had to get in on votes. Someones dog took a screwng in the process.
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They all "claim" to be an exception....They are all liars....and cheats....playing the Im differant card works on some...but for me....I don't trust a dog catcher if he had to get in on votes. Someones dog took a screwng in the process.
RP actually is the exception to the rule. However, because he says what he believes his chance of getting elected by the mainstream "show me more government" population is fairly slim. He certainly isn't saying what he should to be elected. Not even spinning his beliefs to any great degree to make them sound more mainstream.
Charon
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And that's what makes him so dangerous to the other candidates.
Heck I'm not even an American, and I want to vote for him!:aok
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Crypto Islamofascist in a suit and dumbo ears.
Obama/Osama: Caliphate in '08!
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Originally posted by crockett
You seriously have to be kidding. So who's fault is it the country has become so screwed up under Bush? Is it also the fault of the Republican controlled House and Senate?
So your saying the economy has been going bad? Last I heard was the economy has been doing GREAT on his watch. Its now questionable since the Dems have gotten control of the House and Senate.
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Originally posted by Tango
So your saying the economy has been going bad? Last I heard was the economy has been doing GREAT on his watch. Its now questionable since the Dems have gotten control of the House and Senate.
I love the confusion between the word "economy" (profit) and living standard (how well the commoner lives). :D
Must be what a Yale MB degree buys. ;)
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Originally posted by SD67
And that's what makes him so dangerous to the other candidates.
Heck I'm not even an American, and I want to vote for him!:aok
little wonder, you are communist. :aok
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saxman.. I don't think the liberal socialists who voted for him were that thrilled when he backed down because of polls.
by your reasoning.. we should just elect a statue.. when the statue needed to "vote" he would just let the little computer in him link up with the latest poll.
lazs
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to the left, it is nothing but a popularity contest .. no spine needed
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Originally posted by Arlo
I love the confusion between the word "economy" (profit) and living standard (how well the commoner lives). :D
Must be what a Yale MB degree buys. ;)
A good economy helps increase the living standard.
Probably why the ONLY issue that you liberals have to use against Bush is Iraq ans your losing it because things are starting to improve over there.
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Originally posted by Eagler
zero experience .. hope to heck we are not that stupid to elect such a rookie but I am not that sure we are not
He has been a Senator for more than 2 years.
Abraham Lincoln served a single two year term in the House before he was president.
(That single comparison is the only one offered in this post)
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Originally posted by Tango
So your saying the economy has been going bad? Last I heard was the economy has been doing GREAT on his watch. Its now questionable since the Dems have gotten control of the House and Senate.
Are you on crack? That's a serious question btw.. How anyone could watch what bush has done to our budget the last 6 years along with everything else.. Then some how manage to come back and blame it on Democrats.. Is way beyond me.
News flash buddy running the national debit into the biggest it's ever been in the history of this country and managing to be the first president to double it and do it in his first 6 years isn't exactly great for the economy.
Causing inflation to go up so much that the dollar can't even compete on the world market isn't exactly great for the long term economy.
You do understand that Bush and co has been subsidizing this economy and his massive debit via Saudi and Chinese loans don't you? Who do you think is going to have to pay for that? What do you think happens when they decide they don't want to risk loaning anymore money because we already can't pay them back?
Just wait until everything else starts costing more because of it. I guess you will blame that on the Democrats as well.
Bush and co has run this country into the ground with their massive spending and we will all be paying for it along with your grandchildren for many years to come.
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the president can only ask for the money, congress must appropriate the money.
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Originally posted by john9001
the president can only ask for the money, congress must appropriate the money.
What.... somebody who knows the Constitution?:O
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Originally posted by john9001
the president can only ask for the money, congress must appropriate the money.
Guess who ran the Congress the last 6 years john... Bush asked and the Republican controlled congress gave him everything he asked for.
The congress doesn't just pull a bunch of money out of their bellybutton and say here you go Mr President. Then ask if he wants more. The President asks for the money and it's up to the congress to decide if they can give it to him.
Under the Republican controlled congress they left the bank vault wide open and gave Bush anything he asked for.
But I know it's somehow the Dem's fault just like everything else..
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Conservatives: "It's the Dems fault for not having enough votes to decline the request!"
American politics in a nutshell: Who cares if something gets done as long as we can blame the other Party for when it blows up in our collective faces?
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Originally posted by Saxman
Conservatives: "It's the Dems fault for not having enough votes to decline the request!"
American politics in a nutshell: Who cares if something gets done as long as we can blame the other Party for when it blows up in our collective faces?
That's pretty much the size of it and the worst part is the stupid sheep in this country by into it.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
What.... somebody who knows the Constitution?:O
Knows that much, anyhoo. Which is more than our POTUS seems to know about the document he pretends to defend and uphold. :D
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Originally posted by crockett
That's pretty much the size of it and the worst part is the stupid sheep in this country by into it.
But you do know that the constitution says congress has the power to tax spend and borrow... right?
I don't give a Demo controlled congress a pass either. The last congress to balance the budget was controlled by Repubs*, and the Demos last did it almost 50 years ago.
Vote out all encumbants until we have a responsive government.
*remember somebody named Gingrich?
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Originally posted by Tango
A good economy helps increase the living standard.
Probably why the ONLY issue that you liberals .... blah blah ... more presumption .... grunt .... sqwawk ....
I'm not a lib, Presumptuous T. ;)
A good "economy" does not a living standard make when the powers that be only look at the profit and the American worker be damned. At this point I really have to ask you if you're filthy rich and more concerned about a tax shelter than the erosion of the M.C. or if you're just habitually singing agenda mantra out of denial, in spite of your being one of the sacrificial sheep your masters cheer on for singing their praises.
:aok
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Originally posted by Eagler
to the left, it is nothing but a popularity contest .. no spine needed
Ahhh ... no different from the right except replace "spine" with "mind." :aok
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
But you do know that the constitution says congress has the power to tax spend and borrow... right?
I don't give a Demo controlled congress a pass either. The last congress to balance the budget was controlled by Repubs*, and the Demos last did it almost 50 years ago.
Vote out all encumbants until we have a responsive government.
*remember somebody named Gingrich?
Did you read the link I posted in this topic? Did you read the articles ? It's a freaking time line of news articles of the battle of the budget under Bill Clinton's presidency. Oh wait, I forgot it's CNN.. the anti christs newsletter, so I guess you didn't read it.
The reason there was a "battle" was because Bill Clinton wanted a tough budget and wanted to cut spending. He got what he wanted because he had a backbone and didn't bend over to the Republican controlled congress threats.
The end of the day the Republican controlled congress gave Bill Clinton the budget he wanted. lol so say it was all thanks to Neut if you want but anyone whom can read history and has a brain can figure out the truth.
Oh yea and I do remember Neut Gingrich.. the so called Republican Conservative that loves to preach about what every one else should do..Meanwhile he's popping illegal prescription drugs and banging hookers.
The only thing he didn't get caught doing was having gay sex in the men's bathroom but give it time I'm sure he'll catch up to his Republican peers. :rofl
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Originally posted by Arlo
Ahhh ... no different from the right except replace "spine" with "mind." :aok
Isn't that the truth.. :lol
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Is he good for the country? Read this and decide yourself....in fact apply this to any of the candidates. Barber was on to something....
http://people.brandeis.edu/~woll/barberpp_files/frame.htm
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Originally posted by crockett
Oh yea and I do remember Neut Gingrich.. the so called Republican Conservative that loves to preach about what every one else should do..Meanwhile he's popping illegal prescription drugs and banging hookers.
The only thing he didn't get caught doing was having gay sex in the men's bathroom but give it time I'm sure he'll catch up to his Republican peers. :rofl
Ahh... so you don't care about the budget after all. You just care about bashing Republicans.
Here's a link for you... (http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/CLINTONF.JT.htm)
What is that called when you don't discuss the topic you just attack? Like somebody praising the advanced poilitical theories of Thomas Jefferson and then his debate opponent scores rebuttal points by pointing out that Jefferson was a slaveholder so nothing he ever did was noteworthy?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Ahh... so you don't care about the budget after all. You just care about bashing Republicans.
Here's a link for you... (http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/CLINTONF.JT.htm)
What is that called when you don't discuss the topic you just attack? Like somebody praising the advanced poilitical theories of Thomas Jefferson and then his debate opponent scores rebuttal points by pointing out that Jefferson was a slaveholder so nothing he ever did was noteworthy?
You post something written by a Republican congressmen that is somehow supposed to be proof that Neut and the Republicans did it all? The guy does nothing but attack Clinton and that's somehow supposed to prove something?
btw you asked if I remembered Neut.. so I simply told you I did.. You just don't like what I brought up about him.
:D
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Originally posted by crockett
You post something written by a Republican congressmen that is somehow supposed to be proof that Neut and the Republicans did it all?
I'm sorry, I should have realized that in your world all Republicans are liars and all Democrats are saints:
Here's a NYT piece from the mid nineties. (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE2DF1530F937A15755C0A963958260)
Its blind partisanship that is much of the problem with politics in this country, and your attitude illustrates it well.
Kick out all encumbants, regardless of party, until we have a responsive government.
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term limits
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Originally posted by john9001
term limits
I'll agree with that..
IMO every politician should have a term limit and I think it should be illegal for any special intrest groups or businesses to give any sort of funds/gifts to any govt official. Elected or not.
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the reason we cant have a decent president is because noone who is decent will do what is needed to get in the position to be president.
if ya gotta have a terd fight to win the prize, even the winner is gonna be crappy.
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Originally posted by crockett
Oh yea and I do remember Neut Gingrich.. the so called Republican Conservative that loves to preach about what every one else should do..Meanwhile he's popping illegal prescription drugs and banging hookers.
The only thing he didn't get caught doing was having gay sex in the men's bathroom but give it time I'm sure he'll catch up to his Republican peers. :rofl
wtf?:huh
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Originally posted by crockett
Isn't that the truth.. :lol
nope
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For those posting who are constitutionally illiterate, the executive can only propose a budget. Most of the graft, waste, and pork-barrel spending that bedevils the budgetary process takes place in the House Ways and Means Committee, and on the floors of both chambers of Congress, when the budget is released for congressional review, modifying proposals, and greed-based tampering.
THAT'S when the government's lackeys run naked through the budget while holding fist-fulls of our cash. Sans a line-item veto to rein in all the greed in a budget more than a thousand pages long, the President, whether Republican or Democrat, has little choice except to veto the entire thing or sign it.
Given the fact that it takes a full year to draw up a budget, most presidents simply sign it into law.
Blame the budgetary woes on those most responsible.
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osama bamma is consistently liberal socialist... if you want a liberal socialist then you should vote for him or hillary.. if both are too distasteful as people but you still want to vote liberal socialist then the next 2 or three democrats in line are almost as bad.
If you want a republican like bush who has a lot of liberal socialist ideas but also conservative ones.. the only real candidate is rudy. something about the water in new york makes em all kinda that way.
lazs