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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SIG220 on December 10, 2007, 07:18:08 PM
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It is a lot smaller and lighter than my SIG 220 too, as you can see in the photo below:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/taser3_online.jpg)
The built-in LED flashlight and laser are absolutely awesome. Even in a dark room, you can easily aim this weapon and get it on target. The laser is aligned with the path of the top probe, and the lower probe will hit a couple of inches lower. Both probes must strike the criminal in order for the taser to work properly, which is something that I did not learn in researching the weapon.
The manual is quite good in going over the basics. For training for actual use, a DVD video is provided that includes a ton of instruction and tips.
The Taser C2 is a brand new second generation civilian model, that just started shipping last month. It certainly is far smaller than the first generation model, and is thus much easier to conceal. The Taser also works as a Stun gun, as a backup. The manual even outlines the best parts of the body to target, if using as a stun gun.
I was shocked to see that included among the priority targets were the testicles!! :confused: :confused: Apparently applying 50,000 volts to that part of the male anatomy is very effective in halting an attack. :eek: :eek:
:eek:
I wonder if a woman wrote this manual??? :huh :huh
SIG 220
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To each his own I guess, but if I were to be in a situation that called for that I would rather the dip in question go down..and stay down.
Portable lawsuit.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
To each his own I guess, but if I were to be in a situation that called for that I would rather the dip in question go down..and stay down.
Portable lawsuit.
But that would mean giving an instant death sentence, at a time when more states are moving to outlaw the death penalty, like New Jersey currently is.
If I shoot my .45 at someone, I am pretty certain that they are going to probably die.
SIG 220
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I Dunno Jackal, up here the RCMP have a higher K/D with the Tazer than they do with lead pills. 'Course maybe we should revisit thier training and see if we can't get them shooting straighter.
RTR
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At my age, a jolt in the nuts is a good thing! :eek:
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What happens if you miss with the prongs? Now you made someone :mad:
If I am not gonna shoot someone I would rather beat the stuffing out of their melon with my expanding whacking stick.
Though is the confetti that flys out the front of that thing when you shoot it pretty?
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Good luck in winter when people are wearing all those cloths. We emptied two tazers into a guy once and still had to fight him. At the hospital his blood/alchohol came up negative. Strange how they work so well on some people and hardly at all on others.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Good luck in winter when people are wearing all those cloths. We emptied two tazers into a guy once and still had to fight him. At the hospital his blood/alchohol came up negative. Strange how they work so well on some people and hardly at all on others.
No alcohol, no drugs? He couldn't have been too bright. If there are cops giving lawful orders w/ Tasers on line; I'm complying quickly!*
* I often wonder if the BG looks back on the experience and kicks himself for getting into a circumstance where he was squared off with LE, then actually resisted. What I mean is.. well, there has to be a chain of events that led the BG to this point. I'd think that somewhere along the line the guy might stop and think to himself that he's headed for trouble. Think about it, you have to make not one, but several bad decisions to get yourself into a situation where you are deemed enough of a threat by LE that they draw weapon(s).
Then, once faced with that, you still decide to resist!
Or are there simply some really dumb people in the world? I tend to believe the latter.
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Cool, Sig220. I really like the black/stainless combo. I have an XD in that style... good looking weapon.
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Too many times a taser fails to penetrate clothing and you get no effect. I'll hold on to my XD45.
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"DON'T TAZE ME, DUDE!!!!" :lol
I'll take the Sig 220 compact any day.
Obie
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Originally posted by SIG220
But that would mean giving an instant death sentence, at a time when more states are moving to outlaw the death penalty, like New Jersey currently is.
SIG 220
I am not a state and I haven`t outlawed it.
When it were to come that I would feel threatened enough for my personal saftey, my family`s safety or that of others , I want the dip stopped.....immediately if not sooner. I would not be the one putting them in that situation. They make the choice, they pay the price.
If given the opportunity to do so I will not risk my life or that of others when dealing with a life threatening situation.
You come for me or mine you better get it done.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
What happens if you miss with the prongs? Now you made someone :mad:
If I am not gonna shoot someone I would rather beat the stuffing out of their melon with my expanding whacking stick.
Though is the confetti that flys out the front of that thing when you shoot it pretty?
Well, telescoping rods like that are not legal for civilians to carry here where I live. And the Taser can still also work as a stun gun, after firing the probes.
Perhaps I will need to carry a backup gun, as the Taser will not be able to handle the most dangerous of situations.
The confetti helps to identify the shooter, as the cartridges must be registered with Taser International too when you buy them. The gun actually arrives totally non functional. You have to either call them or go online on their website, to get an activation code to enter into it, in order to make it work.
It took about a 7 minute call to their toll free number to do that. They actually run a background felony check on you as part of the process, which you have to pay for with a credit card. The price for it, though, is only $10, which is not that much.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Too many times a taser fails to penetrate clothing and you get no effect. I'll hold on to my XD45.
Actually, that is a misconception, as it seldom happens in actual use, according to Taser International. While they are probably somewhat biased, I'm sure that they would not misrepresent their product at all.
The probes are designed to be able to penetrate a full inch of clothing. That should be plenty in almost all situations.
SIG 220
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cracks me up.. the same guys who tell me that 5 shots from a j frame and accuracy "only" out to about 50 yards and a .357 round are all marginal for self defense are now touting the tazer with it's 15 foot range and no accuracy and single shot capacity as being great.
I would think that when you tazed one of the bad guys (if you hit him) the other ones would get really mad.
lazs
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Do you need a permit to carry it concealed?
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Originally posted by SIG220
But that would mean giving an instant death sentence, at a time when more states are moving to outlaw the death penalty, like New Jersey currently is.
If I shoot my .45 at someone, I am pretty certain that they are going to probably die.
SIG 220
That's also why you should get a chest freezer and towable industrial wood chipper.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
That's also why you should get a chest freezer and towable industrial wood chipper.
yep, ya never know when a wood chipper will come in handy
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t92/Airscrew/fargo11.jpg)
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Originally posted by SIG220
But that would mean giving an instant death sentence, at a time when more states are moving to outlaw the death penalty, like New Jersey currently is.
If I shoot my .45 at someone, I am pretty certain that they are going to probably die.
SIG 220
There is a vivid difference between a "death sentence" which would connotate a moral judgment and who should be making that judgment, as contrasted to cause and affect in a shooting situation in progress, in my well considered opinion.
If a man were holding a gun and is about to shoot your child and he has already shot other people's children who are laying dead and dying and you had a concealed gun, what would you do?
This is an effort to empathize in another way... empathy for your child's life over the live of a gunman in the act of killing your child.
In my view it is morally justified and your duty to take that gunman down.
I can understand that you are a moral person and do not wish to take life unnecessarily... there is a lot to be considered with an open mind.
A taser will probably not kill a person; a gun probably would.
Will the taser protect you and your family from a gang of three?
What if it doesn't work for some simple reasons like its winter time and the bad guys beant on harming you or your family are wearing thick coats which prevents the darts from making electrical contact with skin?
When deciding taser or firearm, will your life or the lives of others hang in the balance depending on your decision?
The police aren't using tasers on people with guns who are shooting at people... and for a lot of reasons I can think of.
If a kid was bashing my child with a baseball bat and I could not separate them and had a taser and a concealed gun, I would use the taser... no question.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by lazs2
cracks me up.. the same guys who tell me that 5 shots from a j frame and accuracy "only" out to about 50 yards and a .357 round are all marginal for self defense are now touting the tazer with it's 15 foot range and no accuracy and single shot capacity as being great.
I would think that when you tazed one of the bad guys (if you hit him) the other ones would get really mad.
lazs
Yeah.......but at that point you can make really mean and scary faces at them.
That will work. I`m sure Tazer Intl. will be issuing an instruction book with pictures in the near future to cover this. You will probably have to call them and get approved for a fee though.
I`m sort of surprised that they didn`t offer, as a holiday bonus, one of them emergency whistles at no extra charge. Man........them things are teh scarrrrrryyyyyyy.
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so no one knows if you need a permit to carry it concealed?
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Originally posted by SIG220
Actually, that is a misconception, as it seldom happens in actual use, according to Taser International. While they are probably somewhat biased, I'm sure that they would not misrepresent their product at all.
The probes are designed to be able to penetrate a full inch of clothing. That should be plenty in almost all situations.
SIG 220
Forget Taser international and do some prospecting.... it happens quite often. Of course we all hope to never have to use any of these....
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A Tazer is a nice tool in the arsenal of LEO's but they ALWAYS have a firearm as a backup. It's a scaled use of force. Most LEO's I know and the training I received as a Coast Guard bording team member teach this. Minimum force necesary to compel compliance.
My boarding kit weapons load out consisted of 1 can OC Pepper Spray (military grade), 1 expandable baton (asp), 1 9mm Berreta M9 handgun with 3 spare mags, and I usualy carried the shotgun with 30 rounds of 00 buck and 10 rounds of either foam baton, or bean bag less than leathal ammo.
If a subject refused to follow directions and was unarmed but combative we would first use the OC spray. If that didn't work, scale up the the Asp and crack him over the thigh, right across the perinial nerve (that will drop just about anyone), and if that doesn't work then you move into lethal force territory with a firearm and employ the less than lethal munitions. Never heard of anyone getting to that point though.
But if a subject has a weapon, knife, gun, or some sort of blunt force intrument and is within 21 feet of any of our team member, lethal force is authorised immediately.
I only did one boarding where I thought I might have to shoot a guy. We had the crew mustered on the fantail of this fishing boat and this guy popped up out of one of the holds with a huge freaking knife in his hand. Myself and one of the other team member both drew our pistols and started screaming at the guy to drop the knife. He was as scared as we were. Turned out he was down below cutting some line to tie up some loose gear on deck and didn't realize we had come aboard for a routine search. Had he continued coming out of the hold with that knife though we would have dropped him right then and there since he was only about 10 feet away from us.
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Originally posted by lazs2
cracks me up.. the same guys who tell me that 5 shots from a j frame and accuracy "only" out to about 50 yards and a .357 round are all marginal for self defense are now touting the tazer with it's 15 foot range and no accuracy and single shot capacity as being great.
I would think that when you tazed one of the bad guys (if you hit him) the other ones would get really mad.
lazs
I'm afraid that you are clearly confusing me with some other SIG pistol fan. I think Smith and Wesson J frame pistols are great little self-defense guns.
The .357 is also a fantastic self defense round. When used with the lighter 110 to 125 gr bullets, no other handgun round has a better one stop shot record than the .357, including the .45 ACP.
Please don't put words in my mouth again.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Do you need a permit to carry it concealed?
Several states ban any civilian ownership of it, and a couple do require permits.
About 40 states have no restrictions on carrying it concealed, and require no permit. So it depends on where you live.
The Taser Website has full details on such legal issues.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Forget Taser international and do some prospecting.... it happens quite often. Of course we all hope to never have to use any of these....
Well, I could say the exact same thing to you. Illustrate a single case where this has happened. :)
The probes don't necessarily have to embed in the skin to deliver the shock. They just need to get close enough to the skin for the voltage to reach it.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by Hornet33
A Tazer is a nice tool in the arsenal of LEO's but they ALWAYS have a firearm as a backup.
Well, my little sister in California cannot carry a handgun, due to the restrictive laws there. The local sheriff in her county virtually never issues CCW permits, unless you are someone with a major reason to have one, like a judge, for instance.
So I also ordered one for her, which she will be getting for Christmas. Here is a look at it, in the packaging that the civilian taser comes in:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/taser_pink_online.jpg)
She is only 5'1" and very petite. She is also a widow with two kids, one still in elementary school, and one a freshman in high school. Her husband unfortunately past away from colon cancer a few years ago.
The Taser will certainly increase her ability to defend herself significantly.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by SIG220
Well, my little sister in California cannot carry a handgun, due to the restrictive laws there. The local sheriff in her county virtually never issues CCW permits, unless you are someone with a major reason to have one, like a judge, for instance.
So I also ordered one for her, which she will be getting for Christmas. Here is a look at it, in the packaging that the civilian taser comes in:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/taser_pink_online.jpg)
She is only 5'1" and very petite. She is also a widow with two kids, one still in elementary school, and one a freshman in high school. Her husband unfortunately past away from colon cancer a few years ago.
The Taser will certainly increase her ability to defend herself significantly.
SIG 220
Bless you SIG,
Very thoughtful and generous. And, she will no doubt feel more secure.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by SIG220
Well, telescoping rods like that are not legal for civilians to carry here where I live.
If that is anywhere near Tigard then you misinterpreted me. I carry a nerf bat. for lulz
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Bless you SIG,
Very thoughtful and generous. And, she will no doubt feel more secure.
TIGERESS
You would not know that we are related to look at us, as there is a 13 inch difference in our height.
Here is a photo of me, with her on the right side of the photo. You can see how petite she is. On the left side of the picture, is my niece from my older sister.
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/family%20friends/dianne_house.jpg)
SIG 220
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If it came with a bayonet I might be afraid to face one of those. A short range single shot weapon like that is woefully inadequate for self defense. It is a tool to make arresting someone easier at best. The problem with shooting someone in the front with a tazer (as opposed to shooting a fleeing suspect in the back) is that it is very easy for the target to rip out the leads if he's quick. However the main problem (as others have pointed out) is that its a single shot weapon, so if you're facing multiple bad-guys it is useless ... and might get you robbed and killed instead of just robbed.
Oh and btw: What is it with you? First an electric car and now an electric gun? ;)
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Originally posted by Obie303
"DON'T TAZE ME, DUDE!!!!" :lol
I'll take the Sig 220 compact any day.
Obie
Sorry, I can't resist posting the "Don't taze me, bro!" video.
"You see I wasn't resisting..I was just movin' slow..and now I'm on the ground..DON'T TAZE ME, BRO!":rofl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqE3k1r7ku8
Regards,
Sun
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Did I miss something. What is it you do for a living? Is it dangerous? I don't understand why you need these weapons. I live in Camden County New Jersey, about 15 or 20 minutes from the city of Camden New Jersey recently, the murder capital of the country. I lived there for 40 years and I've never had a problem. I can't imagine anything worse than the city of Camden New Jersey. You must live in a real hellhole. I feel bad for you if that's your circumstance. Or are you just paranoid?
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troll.
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Originally posted by lefty2
I don't understand why you need these weapons.
Oh these are very usefull. After all, it is difficult to feed the chipper when they squirm.
Of course, that's what the freezer is for. But then you still need to load the freezer.
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Originally posted by SIG220
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SIG 220 [/B]
Makes for a Nice and Frikken quiet Thanksgiving Dinner.
Pass me the Dam Yams!!!
:D
Mac
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Originally posted by lefty2
Did I miss something. What is it you do for a living? Is it dangerous? I don't understand why you need these weapons. I live in Camden County New Jersey, about 15 or 20 minutes from the city of Camden New Jersey recently, the murder capital of the country. I lived there for 40 years and I've never had a problem. I can't imagine anything worse than the city of Camden New Jersey. You must live in a real hellhole. I feel bad for you if that's your circumstance. Or are you just paranoid?
Perhaps if law abiding people in New Jersey could carry either handguns or tasers for protection, the Camden murder rate there would not be so horrific. But since you can't, I guess we will never know.
I feel very safe living where I am. The crime rate is fairly low, despite the fact that we have one of the lowest per capita levels of police officers in the nation.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Oh these are very usefull. After all, it is difficult to feed the chipper when they squirm.
Of course, that's what the freezer is for. But then you still need to load the freezer.
I am so glad that I did not let him see any of my naughty BLACK guns. I'll post them here for you to view, but please don't mention these guns to anyone else here in this forum, OK??
Here is my giant, super-sized AK-47, chambered for the powerful 7.62 NATO round ( .308 Win ). SAIGA just started making these more powerful versions of the AK-47 in Russia a few years ago:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/308AK.jpg)
My Colt AR-15 Sniper Rifle:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/ar-151a.jpg)
My plain old AR-15 from Rock River:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/rock2.jpg)
My Custom Bushmaster Special Operations AR-15 in the new 6.8 mm SPC cartridge:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/ar2.jpg)
My high-capacity FN semiautomatic Military and Police Shotgun, with Electronic gun sight:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/SHOT1.jpg)
My Glock is sort of bad, too. I own several 17 and 19 round magazines for it, and I got a local dealer to sell me a lot of extra powerful police ammunition for use in it too:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/glock.jpg)
However, I do not carry any of these guns around town with me for personal protection. They are all safely locked up inside safes, except for the shotgun. It is fully loaded with these:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/ammo1.jpg)
and is right next to my bed, in case any mean stranger comes into my bedroom.
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Ahh the varmit killer right?
You are the guy who goes off on fun killing sprees of rodents and giggles as they fall off high places after being shot. I think I recognise you from the pic.
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yep, same guy.
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I got no problem with him having those guns do you curval or MT?
Which ones are the bad ones? And what is wrong with killing varmits?
lazs
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You kinda missed the point lazs.
Nothing is wrong with owning guns or even killing varmints (if they are truely causing some kind of harm). The onus was on the glee at shooting them and enjoying the long fall and bounce off the rocks into the river where they made a wonderful bloody splash. True sportsmanlike fun there.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You kinda missed the point lazs.
Nothing is wrong with owning guns or even killing varmints (if they are truely causing some kind of harm). The onus was on the glee at shooting them and enjoying the long fall and bounce off the rocks into the river where they made a wonderful bloody splash. True sportsmanlike fun there.
yep.
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Have you guys ever shot varmits? and.. what varmit is not causing harm?
You do get a little calloused to their "plight" after killing a couple of dozen.. no matter who you are.. You really can't help it. You are elated when you make a good shot and it does get the juices going. In short.. it is fun. It is good target practice and it is good for the land and it is... fun.
lazs
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These particular kills were not "good for the land" and if you remembered the post you would know that.
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PETA has arrived. :rofl
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I’d show you all a picture of my Concealed Carry Weapon, but I think there’s a rule against showing pictures of butt cracks.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
I’d show you all a picture of my Concealed Carry Weapon, but I think there’s a rule against showing pictures of butt cracks.
Well even if you did post it some moron would probably look you up and hit you in the face not knowing it would cause no pain whatsoever .
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You kinda missed the point lazs.
Nothing is wrong with owning guns or even killing varmints (if they are truely causing some kind of harm). The onus was on the glee at shooting them and enjoying the long fall and bounce off the rocks into the river where they made a wonderful bloody splash. True sportsmanlike fun there.
Actually, it is considered the very highest level of sportsmanship, to make an instant kill, that causes the animal to not suffer.
Would you rather that I skewer them with an arrow, and let them slowly bleed to death?
Think about it. If you were the animal, which way would you prefer to die?
After all, when one's brain explodes, you really don't feel a thing.
Man is the only predator that shows compassion to his prey, and strives not to make them suffer. I certainly do everything that I can to avoid any unnecessary suffering when hunting, no matter what kind of animal I am hunting. In the wild, many predators have no problem at all at feeding on their prey while they are even still alive.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by midnight Target
These particular kills were not "good for the land" and if you remembered the post you would know that.
That is absolute RUBBISH.
Those marmots were eating the farmer's alfalfa, which is the crop he raises to sell to ranchers for feed. That is how he earns his living.
Farmers do not work their butts off to raise food to feed rodents. They are very happy to have hunters reduce the rodent population.
SIG 220
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Really?
So the marmots you killed that were "living in the gorge" were eating alfalfa?
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=202893&perpage=50&highlight=marmot&pagenumber=1
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I didn't read the other thread.. or don't recall but I agree that it is the right thing to cause animals as little suffering as possible. Same for humans.. lethal injection for those who need to be put out of their missery. Not big on torture.
lazs
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The ugly old dude in the foreground is me, on one of my killing trips to eastern Oregon.
My hobby is shooting and killing things, both for real, and in games. I had fun picking off some marmots that were living in rocks at the top of the gorge, which runs for many miles. I managed to get a couple to slip off rocks when hit, and then plunge way down towards the river.
So Riflelance...Sig...whatever.. .tell us again how you are humanely killing these creatures and saving the farmers from the swarms of marmots?
You managed to get them to slip off rocks when hit...doesn't sound very humane to me.
In fact it sounds unstable as hell.
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Any of you that have eating meat as a hobby are directly supporting some of the most gruesome killing that happens on this planet.
There's blood on just about everyone's hands, one way or the other. Unless you're one of the rare Vegans that assiduously practice that lifestyle, shunning all animal related products.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Really?
So the marmots you killed that were "living in the gorge" were eating alfalfa?
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=202893&perpage=50&highlight=marmot&pagenumber=1
Look, I admit that I killed a couple of them that day that were not right near Alfalfa fields. I was actually quite surprised that there were a few so far from any decent food sources. Usually they congregate close to where they have good eating. They must of had to travel pretty far for food.
But 99% of these animals that I have shot have been on Agricultural lands, not public lands. And that included even most of the animals that I shot on that particular day. After all, these animals only thrive in great numbers where there is a stable food source.
But, you know, you have had such an extremely condescending and critical attitude towards me over this issue ( the killing of stupid rodents ), that I am now going to make it a point next Spring to find some really quality public land to hunt on, simply to spit those here who have attacked me on this issue. There are some high elevation areas of our state where this family of rodents ( marmots ), do live in smaller numbers in alpine pastures.
Now I will have to do a heck of a lot of hiking to do this, but it has been over a year now since my knee surgery, so I think I will be fully up to it by next Spring. I've been slowly building myself back up since the operation. It was not until last July that I was finally able to do some serious hiking again at around the 6000 ft level. Besides, I should be able to enjoy some really pretty countryside, besides getting some good exercise too.
So thanks so very,very much for your inspiration in this matter. For I would never have decided to go to so much extra effort and trouble to make such a more difficult hunt, if it had not been for your unfair attacks on me here in this forum. You have really managed to light an inspirational fire under me.
This should be an awesome hunt in a most scenic and wild area. Hikers in that region that I have heard about report that the high altitude marmots there are quite tame, as they are basically never hunted, due to their remote location. They thus have no fear at all of man. Consequently, I should be able to get in some super easy close range shots. Shots of only 50 yards may well be possible, instead of the usual 200 to 300 yard shots that I am used to.
The survivors will no doubt flee in the future whenever they see any human beings walking down the mountain trails again. Hikers will no longer enjoy the sight of curious marmots checking them out. Instead, the rodents will cower in fear, and give their little warning barks to each other that danger is nearby.
Please provide your email address, and I will then be sure to email you some photos next May of the animals that I slay in your honor. I am off now to check some of my maps, and begin my advance planning of which trails to take for this hunt. This is will be in a Wilderness area where no roads are allowed. But I believe that it should only be about a 3 hour hike, to reach this place from the trail head.
Fortunately, there are no extra restrictions on hunting in Federal Wilderness areas. It is no different than a Federal Forest regarding hunting seasons. And permits for access to hike in are very easy to obtain.
No doubt I will pass some hikers who are PETA members on the trail who will be super pissed off to see that I am carrying a rifle with me. If they make any comments to me about it not being Deer Season, I'll be sure to fully explain to them that I am varmint hunting, and will give you full credit for my decision to make this out of the way hunt in such a remote and wild location.
Thanks again for inspiring me to be even more politically incorrect than before. You are a real credit to the animal hugging left.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by Tigeress
There is a vivid difference between a "death sentence" which would connotate a moral judgment and who should be making that judgment, as contrasted to cause and affect in a shooting situation in progress, in my well considered opinion.
If a man were holding a gun and is about to shoot your child and he has already shot other people's children who are laying dead and dying and you had a concealed gun, what would you do?
This is an effort to empathize in another way... empathy for your child's life over the live of a gunman in the act of killing your child.
In my view it is morally justified and your duty to take that gunman down.
This is very well thought out. I agree completely. Unfortunately, many jurors and judges do not. Quite frankly I consider them to be little better than the criminals they protect.
Originally posted by Tigeress
If a kid was bashing my child with a baseball bat and I could not separate them and had a taser and a concealed gun, I would use the taser... no question.
Do you have children, or is that hypothetical? I am not disagreeing, I'm just curious.
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be dammed if i hike for 3 hours in the mountains just to shoot some rats.
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Originally posted by SIG220
No doubt I will pass some hikers who are PETA members on the trail who will be super pissed off to see that I am carrying a rifle with me. If they make any comments to me about it not being Deer Season, I'll be sure to fully explain to them that I am varmint hunting, and will give you full credit for my decision to make this out of the way hunt in such a remote and wild location.
[Grin.] Give 'em you-know-what for me.
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Originally posted by SIG220
But, you know, you have had such an extremely condescending and critical attitude towards me over this issue (internet tantrum here)
SIG 220
Sensitive man is going to torment varmints in another location because some internet bullies were unfair to him. And that is supposed to impress anyone... how? It would be ironic if you broke your arse on this hike.. O what fun the guys poking sticks at you would have then.
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He's trying to get the goat of the limp-wristed pansies, and for good reason, too. I think it'll work.
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Originally posted by SIG220
Please provide your email address, and I will then be sure to email you some photos next May of the animals that I slay in your honor.
Ohhh goody...can I have the ones where half a head is missing and lots of goo and blood and stuff?
lazs@dixon.com ;)
Thanks.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Sensitive man is going to torment varmints in another location because some internet bullies were unfair to him. And that is supposed to impress anyone... how? It would be ironic if you broke your arse on this hike.. O what fun the guys poking sticks at you would have then.
Yes, I really do not care at all for Bullies who think that they are so morally superior to others, and berate others so much.
My knee injury indeed did occur when I was out hunting. I was hiking over some really rough, uneven terrain, and got a really bad cartilage tear. I had to hike the whole way back to my car injured. By the time I got home that night, my knee was swollen beyond description from fluid build up. I could barely stand, much less walk. My doctor had to stick it with a great big needle the next day, in order to drain it.
If I were to suffer an injury as bad as that in this Wilderness area, I could really be in very serious trouble. For there would be no way that I would be able to hike out on my own with any significant injury. I would probably then be totally reliant on the nearby PETA hikers to alert the authorities, and send a rescue team back to save me.
Unlike you, I consider the treatment of dumb animals to not be equivalent with the treatment of humans. So I would thus never, ever get any enjoyment out of the suffering of another human being, no matter who they were, as you have stated here that you and my other critics would, if I injured myself again. That sort of thing does not seem to be at all appropriate to me for you to joke about, as you have done here in your message. It says a lot about you as a person.
My main reason for getting my Taser is because I really don't want to ever have to take another person's life, even if that person was attacking me and threatening me with serious harm. If I was really such a blood thirsty and immoral person as you and the others claim, I would not care at all about that. I would be OK with just blowing an attacker away.
But the fact is that I am not.
SIG 220
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Oh pleae sig.. please don't hike into the wilderness with your hurt knee just to spite me! I'm not sure I will ever get over the anguish if you should happen to tear an ACL!
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Originally posted by john9001
be dammed if i hike for 3 hours in the mountains just to shoot some rats.
hehe...I was kinda thinking the same thing :)
shamus