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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hap on December 12, 2007, 02:59:12 PM
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http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1212/p03s03-uspo.html
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You should probably add some comment or argument of your own.
I'd add my own but it would sound like I'm repeating 1984.
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Of course we all know that Bush caused Katrina in the first place and just doesn't want us to know. :rolleyes:
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In my view, the CSM has historically shown more creditability than many news outlets.
And no, I am not a church lady. ;) I just like news that is just that... news.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tango
Of course we all know that Bush caused Katrina in the first place and just doesn't want us to know. :rolleyes:
because he doesn't like lazy black ppl
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Democrats accusing Republicans of manipulation, imagine that. :noid
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They needed a study for that? Ummm anyone not remember the NASA guys whom came out and said the exact same thing over a year ago?
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Why shouldn't the White House manipulate the climate statistics....everyone else is.
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Not a whole lot of Hurricanes this year, or last year... so Global warming must be over now.
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Accusations over manipulating an unproven theory that shares more in common with a political white elephant than an actual scientific theory.
How quaint.
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Originally posted by Eagler
because he doesn't like lazy black ppl
Who does? :rofl
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Originally posted by Dago
Who does? :rofl
I don't like lazy people, period. Doesn't matter what color they are.
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I read on that site that Cheney manipulated Planck's constant in order to alter secret intelligence reports on the environmental terrorists that caused Katrina. It was in the mathematically precise placement of oil rigs in the gulf that steered the storm directly at the administration's biggest political threat region.
How exactly is "science" manipulated? I can see manipulating results, or influencing the direction of the research, but manipulating "science" itself... isn't that something we've pretty much figured out is something only god can do?
Or are they saying that someone in the white house is the next coming of Christ? Jesus walked on water, something anyone with a big enough heat pump could do, but W manipulated science itself!
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Originally posted by eagl
I read on that site that Cheney manipulated Planck's constant in order to alter secret intelligence reports on the environmental terrorists that caused Katrina. It was in the mathematically precise placement of oil rigs in the gulf that steered the storm directly at the administration's biggest political threat region.
How exactly is "science" manipulated? I can see manipulating results, or influencing the direction of the research, but manipulating "science" itself... isn't that something we've pretty much figured out is something only god can do?
Or are they saying that someone in the white house is the next coming of Christ? Jesus walked on water, something anyone with a big enough heat pump could do, but W manipulated science itself!
How the heck do you manipulate a scientific fact such as a constant? move the decimal point? i think anyone with a backround in those fields should have noticed the difference
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
How the heck do you manipulate a scientific fact such as a constant? move the decimal point? i think anyone with a backround in those fields should have noticed the difference
Well, they seem to attribute all sorts of other amazing things to the white house administration, so this doesn't seem too unusual of an accusation to me. After all, they did manipulate science
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chemtrails, look up in the sky, chemtrails. Thats how they control the weather. :noid
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Originally posted by john9001
chemtrails, look up in the sky, chemtrails. Thats how they control the weather. :noid
I thought the aliens they have been covering up for were doing that.
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Nasa just found polar chemtrails, in the form of high altitude sun reflecting clouds. In the same press release, they said:
1. They don't know anything about the cause or effect of these clouds
2. The clouds are caused by global warming and may cool down the earth.
So you see, they have covered every possible answer in order to cover up the fact that they really know it's part of the government chemtrails experiment.
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So how is that bird flu and mad cow disease coming along? This Global warming thing is getting tiresome.
Didn't someone once say 'the purpose of Government is to keep the general populace in a constant state of fear, clamoring for protection'?
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Originally posted by eagl
Nasa just found polar chemtrails, in the form of high altitude sun reflecting clouds. In the same press release, they said:
1. They don't know anything about the cause or effect of these clouds
2. The clouds are caused by global warming and may cool down the earth.
So you see, they have covered every possible answer in order to cover up the fact that they really know it's part of the government chemtrails experiment.
If you are talking about this..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7137905.stm
They didn't just find them and they aren't chemtrails.
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"Liberal Support Base Manipulates Climate Science to the Detriment of Business."
See, I can write a headline too.
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The real story is the CSM is doing a 3 parter on the Sub-prime Mortgages. Part 1 was excellent.
Check out the AP story on the ice cap. Was in today's paper here in Casper. Can't find the AP story, but here's the same tale in the WP: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/06/AR2007090602499.html
Oh, after piddling with these boards off and on for several years, I've figured out if I'm getting slack-jawed barbs from most, I'm doing something right.
:D
CSM, also, I've found to be a palatable major news paper. I learn something I did not know. And something that is worth knowing. Also, I look for things of interest. I like the delivery of news to be dull and boring. The content shouldn't be overshadowed.
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Dr. Karl wanted to say, 'it is very likely (>95 percent probability) that humans are largely responsible for many of the observed changes in climate.' " Seems to me that statement is not scientific in and of itself. They would be advocating extreme measures to combat something (global warming) on an assumption humans were responsible. The major changes in lifestyle it would entail for people would be of an overwhelming nature if we were responsible for the global warming.
They need to be 100% sure to do anything that would damage the economy. If our economy is damaged through preventative efforts, and it turns out to be based on "very likely", the enactors of any laws dealing with curtailing global warming should be tried for treason. This is why scientists need to be responsible in what they say, or be taken to task if it turns out they're wrong.
Let's face it, if we are responsible for this so-called climate change, we need to do something fast. Hurricanes like Katrina every year would destroy the Gulf Coast forever. We would need to get rid of most cars and such if they were the culprit, or perhaps gas prices could be made to go through the roof so most people couldn't afford gas and would consequentially give up driving. A huge tax on power would ensure people went lights out every night, similar to a curfew maybe if things were desperate enough. Those would be police state measures and enforced. Do people really want that?, because certainly everyone would be affected, not just poor people. And considering we are the ones causing the problem, and it is a crisis , it is only fitting we should serve as an example for less enlightened countries.:rolleyes:
Les
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Originally posted by Tango
Of course we all know that Bush caused Katrina in the first place and just doesn't want us to know. :rolleyes:
but it's really all cheney's fault for letting bush play with the weather machine ;)
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So which one of you living on the coast will sell first?
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Guess global warming isn't over just yet...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7142694.stm
btw there was also a report that suggested that Artic Sea with be ice free in the summer by 2013. This was done by caculating the current rate of ice melt.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7139797.stm
but again, it's all Al Gores fault..
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How much ya wanna bet that before 2013 comes along the alarmists will tone down their "predictions"?
All the "increase" in temp is about half that of the margin of error..
lazs
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Or, they'll be taking credit for avoiding a global warming calamity and find some other cause for their acolytes.
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Better be safe than sorry when it comes to the future of my daughter.
I dont belive the worst case scenarios but those who say we have no effect on the climate are too retarded to listen to and are prolly payed by the oil companies or others who belive that consuption and economic growth always is the way to nirvana.
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Is wrecking your economy and putting the alarmists in power good for your daughter?
I have a grand daughter.. I don't want her to grow up in any world where the likes of algore can win a nobel peace prize and run the planet.
I don't want her to live in a world where anyone who wants to grab power can just create a panic.
Show me the numbers. show me how hot it will be next year. show me how the co2 can be going up but the temp can go up and down. show me how co2 has always lagged temp change but now it... somehow.. leads?
Predict next years.. next months weather and we will think about it.. don't "adjust" the crappy computer model every time the wind blows.
The expression "you can't do anything about the weather" is just as true now as it ever was.
In the meantime.. I am enjoying this mild spell in the ever changing global climate.
I really fear an ice age for my grand daughter.. what are your scientists gonna do about that?
lazs
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Wrecking the economy? :lol There is a difference between getting a splinter in your finger and chopping your hand off. Add strict rules and regulations and the companies making money will find a way to do it in an enviromentaly friendly way. If they are unable to do so they will die but was prolly doomed in the first place as they lack the ability to adapt to changes in the market.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Better be safe than sorry when it comes to the future of my daughter.
I dont belive the worst case scenarios but those who say we have no effect on the climate are too retarded to listen to and are prolly payed by the oil companies or others who belive that consuption and economic growth always is the way to nirvana.
Don't sacrifice everything for pseudo sciences. That's just ****ing crazy.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Don't sacrifice everything for pseudo sciences. That's just ****ing crazy.
pseudo science? you base that on what?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
pseudo science? you base that on what?
The absolute fear these scientists have of using definite verbs.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Is wrecking your economy and putting the alarmists in power good for your daughter?
No offense Lazs, but I expect you would admit that you are adamant. You sound the "alarm" on most of your posts.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
... Add strict rules and regulations and the companies making money will find a way to do it in an enviromentaly friendly way. If they are unable to do so they will die but was prolly doomed in the first place as they lack the ability to adapt to changes in the market.
Sure, most companies will adapt to the changes required to make things more "Green". The issue at hand is that these changes will cost money. You can guarantee that the company will not foot the bill. So, it will be either the public directly paying for it, or indirectly through government subsidies. I worry that the resulting economic impact could be huge.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Sure, most companies will adapt to the changes required to make things more "Green". The issue at hand is that these changes will cost money. You can guarantee that the company will not foot the bill. So, it will be either the public directly paying for it, or indirectly through government subsidies. I worry that the resulting economic impact could be huge.
Don't use their terminology. Don't use "Could" when you know that the effect WILL be huge.
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Huge. Probably won't be able to afford internet. Oh stuff it. Let's melt it all down and sell it as "pure water." It'll boost the economy. And while we're at it, no taxes ever again for all O'Club gun owners too.
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Originally posted by Hap
Huge. Probably won't be able to afford internet. Oh stuff it. Let's melt it all down and sell it as "pure water." It'll boost the economy. And while we're at it, no taxes ever again for all O'Club gun owners too.
You just got my vote for o'club mayor. :aok
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Don't use their terminology. Don't use "Could" when you know that the effect WILL be huge.
I highly doubt it will ever be implemented. In case most people have not realised, this Global Warming thing is just a political ploy and will be forgotten after the next election if a democrat gets in office.
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Politics in the Global Warming issue?
(http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/Drama/Drama/CasablancaRenaultRick.jpg)
I'm Shocked! Shocked!
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Originally posted by crockett
They didn't just find them and they aren't chemtrails.
Sigh... So they got to you too?
:noid
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There used to be glaciers in central Wisconsin and lush jungles in the Sahara.
If we did not cause those drastic changes how the heck can we even influence any further change?
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Originally posted by lazs2
How much ya wanna bet that before 2013 comes along the alarmists will tone down their "predictions"?
All the "increase" in temp is about half that of the margin of error..
lazs
Well we are all dead by 2012 according to the Mayans. So does it matter.. :D
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Originally posted by crockett
Well we are all dead by 2012 according to the Mayans. So does it matter.. :D
OOPS! Time to get back to my "List of things to do before I die"..........................
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Originally posted by crockett
Guess global warming isn't over just yet...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7142694.stm
btw there was also a report that suggested that Artic Sea with be ice free in the summer by 2013. This was done by caculating the current rate of ice melt.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7139797.stm
but again, it's all Al Gores fault..
They also made some other calculations, and based on those they said we'd have more hurricanes for the '07 season....................... .........:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Politics in the Global Warming issue?
(http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/Drama/Drama/CasablancaRenaultRick.jpg)
I'm Shocked! Shocked!
Claude Raines, fine actor.
Nice photo.
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Hap... how am I an alarmist? I ask for no power and don't ask anyone to do much of anything except mind their own business.
The global warming alarmists aren't minding their own business... the latest figures on "how much it will cost" are in the trillions... they say this will be offset by the money saved by not having the temp go up one degree.
If they want to add $1.50 in tax to every gallon of gas... adding maybe $3,000 a year to each families expenses... that will simply go to politicians... i
How many would then like to see them explain the science of how co2 will cause catastrophic warming then?
No one is saying much now but it I know Americans... you hit em with that kind of expense you bet the real "deniers" will come out.
If republicans stay in power.. we will do little or nothing and the earth will, in a few years go into a natural cooling period.
If democrats take the white house... we will all take a big hit and then we will go into a natural cooling cycle but.. we won't be able to afford heating oil.
If it gets too cool.. the scientists will call it man made global cooling and blame co2 for the drop in temp..
The models they have model about 11 things.. probly 7 of which they know very little about. their whole theory of man made global warming rests on... "we can't make the model match the temp unless we crank up the man made part" ... it is most likely just a phase... can't do anything about the weather.. but.. if it is unusual.. it it most likely the fact that some of natures climate change elements are reacting differently with each other than some other time.. the only constant is change.
You don't just say that co2 is the only thing when first of all.. the math doesn't work and second of all.. you don't understand all the other things you have ruled out.
It is not bad science.. it is non science... no science is discussed at these conferences. Just politics. power and money.
I want to see a conference with the best minds on the side of MMGW and the best minds that say it is BS hashing it out.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I want to see a conference with the best minds on the side of MMGW and the best minds that say it is BS hashing it out.
lazs
Have you pitched your idea to your representative?
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yep... as a matter of fact but.. as you see.. I live in kalifornia...
Want to guess what they told me?
lazs