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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DiabloTX on December 14, 2007, 12:11:36 PM
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Of course there's going to be those that say he had plenty of time to do something less violent to the perp. :rolleyes:
Another worthless perp taken out of the gene pool. (http://www.click2houston.com/news/14854134/detail.html)
HCSO: Homeowner Kills Suspected Burglar
POSTED: 8:19 am CST December 14, 2007
UPDATED: 11:28 am CST December 14, 2007
HOUSTON -- A homeowner shot and killed a suspected burglar in southwest Harris County early Friday, officials told KPRC Local 2.
Harris County sheriff's deputies said the Steven Dunbar, 44, tried to break into a home in the 3400 block of Cascadia Drive near Pfeiffer Drive at about 2:30 a.m.
The homeowner was home with his wife and kids. He said he heard a cracking sound coming from the back of the house. He went to check it out and saw the man entering his house though a window.
Investigators said the homeowner fired four shots at Dunbar.
"He (the homeowner) shot someone as the person was trying to enter his home using force," Sgt. R. Nelson said. "Deputies observed that there was a man partially coming through. He was halfway in, halfway out the residence through a broken window."
Dunbar died at the scene. Officials have not said if he was armed.
The homeowner said he thinks his house may have been targeted. His rottweiler was poisoned last week.
A neighbor said he thinks Dunbar was going to try to break into his home, but his dog scared him away.
"I went out the back door and he (the dog) chased him up back the fence," he said.
Neighbors said thieves have recently targeted the area.
"It's scary to see it happening," neighbor Della Solis said. "There have been burglaries in our cars a couple of weeks ago. Almost everybody got hit."
Dunbar had a lengthy criminal record, detectives said.
As a side note, Houston has been experiencing a lot of violent crime lately. A man in Pasadena saw to 2 black men apparently in the act of robbing his neighbor's house. He calls 911 and tells the operator to get the police because he's about to shoot 2 perps. Well, he did and now there's a big racial division among what he did was right or wrong.
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good riddence to the scum-bag low life and may he burn in the deepest pit of he11!:aok
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Yay homeowner!
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dont think the 2 dudes shot were black though, think they were illegals.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Of course there's going to be those that say he had plenty of time to do something less violent to the perp. :rolleyes:
Like maybe first yelling a warning that he had a gun, before shooting??? That could have easily frightened the guy off.
The shooting was obviously justified under the law. But does that mean that he handled the matter in the best way possible? I'm not so sure of that, based upon what this press account reports.
If this man really had such an extensive criminal record, then why was he out free on the streets? He probably was just a petty thief and burglar. Perhaps a drug addict too.
But he still was a human being, and not a weasel.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by SIG220
Like maybe first yelling a warning that he had a gun, before shooting??? That could have easily frightened the guy off.
The shooting was obviously justified under the law. But does that mean that he handled the matter in the best way possible? I'm not so sure of that, based upon what this press account reports.
If this man really had such an extensive criminal record, then why was he out free on the streets? He probably was just a petty thief and burglar. Perhaps a drug addict too.
But he still was a human being, and not a weasel.
SIG 220
Looks like he poisoned their dog when a previous attempt failed. I'd be with you had that not happened. Someone who killed your dog to get in might not mean you harm but does not deserve the benefit of the doubt or risk to your family's safety imo.
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Yelling a warning is what the cops do. I'm not a cop. This guy did the right thing all the way. Why should someone breaking into your home be given a chance?? If that guy had been armed and the owner yelled a warning the criminal might have started shooting into the house where the owners family was at.
Nope, no warning needed. Only thing needed in a situation like that is propper sight alignement, good breathing, and a steady squeeze on the trigger, no more bad guy, problem solved for good.
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Originally posted by SIG220
Like maybe first yelling a warning that he had a gun, before shooting??? That could have easily frightened the guy off.
The shooting was obviously justified under the law. But does that mean that he handled the matter in the best way possible? I'm not so sure of that, based upon what this press account reports.
If this man really had such an extensive criminal record, then why was he out free on the streets? He probably was just a petty thief and burglar. Perhaps a drug addict too.
But he still was a human being, and not a weasel.
SIG 220
The only discussion possible here is the best caliber with which to blow the burglar's head off.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The only discussion possible here is the best caliber with which to blow the burglar's head off.
Finally someone on the board who is a bigger dufus then you laser! You must be so relieved. :D
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
As a side note, Houston has been experiencing a lot of violent crime lately. A man in Pasadena saw to 2 black men apparently in the act of robbing his neighbor's house. He calls 911 and tells the operator to get the police because he's about to shoot 2 perps. Well, he did and now there's a big racial division among what he did was right or wrong.
Actually only the folks who think Quanel or jesse jackson are intelligent think negatively about shooting criminals in the act. Many black folks do not think highly of those self apointed individuals.
Quanel, jesse and other guy just like to stir the race card for their own benefit.... saying they are carrying on MLK's vision... that is far from the truth as MLK was a far better man than any of them could ever even dream of being.
As for what sig said.... you'd run the guy off and he would go down the street and possibly kill someone.... or catch your daughter on the street and drag her down an alley. At what point do you draw the line?
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Originally posted by Dnil
dont think the 2 dudes shot were black though, think they were illegals.
They were both, actually.
As for the safety of my wife and I, I'll shoot first, then yell. Especially with a poisoned dog found earlier.
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Also, if they weren't blacks being shot by a white there's no way in hell Quanell would show up for the media. I've never seen him anywhere near a black-on-black murder scene.
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Yelling a warning is what the cops do. I'm not a cop. This guy did the right thing all the way. Why should someone breaking into your home be given a chance?? If that guy had been armed and the owner yelled a warning the criminal might have started shooting into the house where the owners family was at.
Nope, no warning needed. Only thing needed in a situation like that is propper sight alignement, good breathing, and a steady squeeze on the trigger, no more bad guy, problem solved for good.
Bingo!
Correct answer! :aok
Joker
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" Gun control" ....is being able to hit your Target
... looks like the homeowner might be an NRA member...? !
:aok
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There was one sure fire, absolutely positive way to avoid this horrible and deadly outcome.
The bozo should not have broken into the home.
I won't risk my families or my life trying to figure out the intention of these idiots. They can avoid all the horrors of being shot and save their families grief simply by not entering my home :)
Good for the home owner.
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Originally posted by Dnil
dont think the 2 dudes shot were black though, think they were illegals.
Both were black and not illegals.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by ROC
There was one sure fire, absolutely positive way to avoid this horrible and deadly outcome.
The bozo should not have broken into the home.
I won't risk my families or my life trying to figure out the intention of these idiots. They can avoid all the horrors of being shot and save their families grief simply by not entering my home :)
Good for the home owner.
Absolutely correct. :aok
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Both were black and not illegals.
ack-ack
Right and wrong.
"Pasadena police said Joe Horn shot Hernando Torres and Diego Ortiz as they ran away from a home they broke into in the 7400 block of Timberline in the Village Grove East subdivision on Nov. 14. Torres and Ortiz were in the United States illegally, detectives said."
(http://www.click2houston.com/2007/1116/14620965_240X180.jpg)
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Originally posted by SIG220
But he still was a human being, and not a weasel.
SIG 220
Every thief is a weasel. If my step brother had been shot dead on the streets rather then being caught by the police, I wouldn't think any different. You pay to play.
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I would have no problem living in a society where thieves were summarily executed---my most recent reminder of this stance WAS a $1,500 log splitter
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Year after year you hear read stories about someone shooting and killing a loved one, thinking they were a burgular...I bet they wish they had a little more constraint, and investigated the situation a little more...
I think every person has the right to defend their family and their home, and although I think its scary that people get to become the jury, the judge and the executioner, part of me thinks at least it gets the scumbag off the streets, unlike a passive sentence which will have the criminal doing the same thing 18 months from now...
I'd like to say that people should use more caution and give warning, but then again, if the guy has a gun, that warning could be his trigger to start shooting into your home...Tough situation, but the more I think about it, if I wake up at 2 am and find a guy half way in my window, i'm most likely firing a shot into him.
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Year after year you hear read stories about someone shooting and killing a loved one, thinking they were a burgular...
You read about that because it fits their (anti-gun/New York media) mindset, FAR more difficult to read about a guy saving his/family's arse with a gun
edit: When you are old enough to have gotten enough watermelon stolen from you (that YOU worked and paid for) by these punks, you may see may things in a different light
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wtg homeowner!
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Originally posted by bj229r
edit: When you are old enough to have gotten enough watermelon stolen from you (that YOU worked and paid for) by these punks, you may see may things in a different light
Apparantly during your initial reading, and second editing, you failed to read the remainder of my post, where I said I would most likely shoot.
I don't see how age has anything to do with this, because by the time I was 20, my car was stolen, and broken into twice.
And for your information, I have lived on my own since 18, and at 24, I OWN a house, which I PAID FOR. But maybe I just work hard to keep myself out of area's of high burgulary...
honestly...Why don't you actually read before making one of your smart as$ comments.
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Everyone must make up their own mind what they will do in a situation like this. Shooting dead an intruder, especially at night, should always be legally justified imo.
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I love a story with a happy ending.
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Originally posted by cav58d
Apparantly during your initial reading, and second editing, you failed to read the remainder of my post, where I said I would most likely shoot.
I don't see how age has anything to do with this, because by the time I was 20, my car was stolen, and broken into twice.
And for your information, I have lived on my own since 18, and at 24, I OWN a house, which I PAID FOR. But maybe I just work hard to keep myself out of area's of high burgulary...
honestly...Why don't you actually read before making one of your smart as$ comments.
I read it again...you're trying to see both sides of the situation, which is commendable in most situations. I guess I would be satisfied with lopping his hands off
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Originally posted by bj229r
I read it again...you're trying to see both sides of the situation, which is commendable in most situations. I guess I would be satisfied with lopping his hands off
I'd like to say the best thing to do would be looking at both sides, but sometimes that work...Ideally, if I were in the situation, I would hold the robber at gun point until the police arrived, and not fire until another threatening action was made...However, if giving benifit of the doubt to a robber that has no regard for life, and he ends up shooting you and leaving your wife a widdow and children without a father...well...my logic goes right out the window...
its a tought situation, and I hope none of you guys on here, anyone I know for that matter has to deal with it.
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Originally posted by SIG220
But he still was a human being, and not a weasel.
SIG 220
Don't matter if he was human or not... He was clearly a threat and it's simply not good policy to let that sort of thing continue. A guy who's dog was poisoned and then finds someone coming into his house is facing a very clear threat to his safety and that of his family. He has every expectation that he is being personally targeted. That's very bad.
Not only was it a good shoot, I'm doubly glad he didn't give the perp a chance to get away. The perp was a lawless predator against innocent people, and creatures, human or not, who prey upon innocent people like that, do not deserve a chance to get away so they can prey on someone else.
In fact, letting someone like that go is in my opinion morally reprehensable, equivalent to assisting the perp in his NEXT predatory act. The homeowner did nothing except protect himself, his family, and in my opinion carry out a civic duty by not encouraging a very threatening criminal to go target someone else. Bravo, well done man.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The only discussion possible here is the best caliber with which to blow the burglar's head off.
Whichever one that worked.
Was the right caliber.
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Originally posted by SIG220
Like maybe first yelling a warning that he had a gun, before shooting??? That could have easily frightened the guy off.
The shooting was obviously justified under the law. But does that mean that he handled the matter in the best way possible? I'm not so sure of that, based upon what this press account reports.
If this man really had such an extensive criminal record, then why was he out free on the streets? He probably was just a petty thief and burglar. Perhaps a drug addict too.
But he still was a human being, and not a weasel.
SIG 220
Is your family worth the risk? The guy made his choices in life.
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Also, there is nothing "petty" about being a thief, a burglar, nor a drug addict.
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Anyone taking drugs did so on their own.... their choice. I do not feel sorry for nor will I ask questions of anyone who enters my home through a window. In the dark you have no idea what the perp is carrying... he could shoot you..
Back in 1979 there was a guy shot a kid stealing a lawn chair from his yard in daylight. The man had several things stolen over a period of time. The homeowner actually shot at the ground to scare the kid but the round richocheted off the road and hit the 14 year old kid. The homeowner was no billed.
One thing Texas allows is the ability to protect your family and your belongings..... no hand holding here.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Back in 1979 there was a guy shot a kid stealing a lawn chair from his yard in daylight. The man had several things stolen over a period of time. The homeowner actually shot at the ground to scare the kid but the round richocheted off the road and hit the 14 year old kid. The homeowner was no billed.
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My Grandpa was in Africa in WW2 and he said one night these Beduoins or whatnot came to the base where his unit was and the guy on guard challenged the beduoin, and when he didnt stop the guard fired a warning shot off into the desert. Only it bouced off a rock out there came back and whacked the guy on the camel.
Cutting off the hands of thieves is about the only thing the religion of peace has right.
If someone poisons my dog he better hope I only shoot him :mad: :mad:
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Originally posted by SIG220
Like maybe first yelling a warning that he had a gun, before shooting??? That could have easily frightened the guy off.
The shooting was obviously justified under the law. But does that mean that he handled the matter in the best way possible? I'm not so sure of that, based upon what this press account reports.
If this man really had such an extensive criminal record, then why was he out free on the streets? He probably was just a petty thief and burglar. Perhaps a drug addict too.
But he still was a human being, and not a weasel.
SIG 220
I think that in spite of your bbs name, you might be one of those elitist gun owners, like some cops, who think nobody else is fit to carry a firearm. The dude was out of jail, and in somebody's house illegally, BOOM..........good perp.
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Originally posted by FBBone
BOOM..........good perp.
Exactly.
HE made the choice, took the chance and payed the price.
The changing of the Texas laws for self protection are one of the best things to come down the pike in a long, long time.
I got a kick out of the yelling at the moron comment.
Yep.....yell at the idiot and identify your location so it will enable him to get a good sight picture for blasting you.
Teh Smaart.
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Which is the correct response to a night time home invasion? (Not a trick question.)
First Response: Pardon me sir....but I'd like to know the nature of your intentions. Do you intend to kill me and then rape and sodomize my wife and brutalize my children? Or do you merely wish to steal the home entertainment system? If it is the former I intend to shoot you down like a dog. If the latter, help yourself to the system, and any other of my worldly possessions that catches your eye, and then go in peace.
Second Response: HALT!
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Originally posted by eagl
Not only was it a good shoot, I'm doubly glad he didn't give the perp a chance to get away. The perp was a lawless predator against innocent people, and creatures, human or not, who prey upon innocent people like that, do not deserve a chance to get away so they can prey on someone else.
In fact, letting someone like that go is in my opinion morally reprehensable, equivalent to assisting the perp in his NEXT predatory act. The homeowner did nothing except protect himself, his family, and in my opinion carry out a civic duty by not encouraging a very threatening criminal to go target someone else. Bravo, well done man.
Well said!
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You should think about what you would do and give it careful consideration, it could happen to you. Even though no one knows the future it still can help to be prepared for the unexpected by thinking about what you might do.
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I think that you will find that someone shooting a family member by "mistake" is extremely rare.
A lot of that stuff that is reported is really an attack of one family member by another.. the gun is used to kill the abusive family member or... there is a setup to get rid of a wife or husband and make it look like an accident.
That is pretty much why in every killing the husband or wife is the first to be a suspect.
Just like rival gang members killing each other is not "friends or aquainteneces".
lazs