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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Stoney74 on December 15, 2007, 01:01:24 AM
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...on all MA maps.
You want to go take a GV to a strat to pad your score, that's fine. But leave HQ's alone. For those of us trying to chase dar bar to find an air-to-air fight, its a big deal. You want to drop HQ, do it with an aircraft and I'll meet you there.
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Agreed. Also, how many times have 3 people flown NOE for 2+ hours just to go off the map for 10+ sectors, sneak/steal the one V-base by HQ, and instantly spawn dozens of GVs to flatten HQ?
It's too easy to abuse, IMO.
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Padding stats is all of the rage right now.
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the map in orange arena is the 2nd time ive seen with a spawn to the HQ, most of the other maps ive had to fly there to check it out, i dont think theres to many maps that do have spawns to the HQ.
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Originally posted by chrish483
the map in orange arena is the 2nd time ive seen with a spawn to the HQ, most of the other maps ive had to fly there to check it out, i dont think theres to many maps that do have spawns to the HQ.
baltic has them. the map in blue right now..
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well i guess I'm at a disadvantage then, but even then it would take an undertaking and time to fly around off map and around radar , to do it and probly a one way trip in gas to do it, we as Bish dont even take the time and long flight to do such a thing, (that i know of) that is.
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I'll admit I've flown to a V base to put the lights out, but it's never been off map (how gamey is that? :huh ). All you need is one 110 then follow up in a goon. one person can do it easily by his or her self.
IMO it's a valid target.
An easy way to fix this is to wrap around so if you fly off one side, you appear deep in enemy territory on the other or simply disco if you fly off map for more than a minute.
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It's also pretty easy to thwart a capture that's done like this. Just up an ostwind or two when the base starts to flash. the presence of GV's on the field will put most score potatos off the task, and if it's a big enough raid you can net a handy number of perks yourself.
There are also handy 163's at bases near HQ's a few of them in the air when the V base starts to flash will almost certainly beat a goon in.
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Originally posted by SD67
It's also pretty easy to thwart a capture that's done like this. Just up an ostwind or two when the base starts to flash. the presence of GV's on the field will put most score potatos off the task, and if it's a big enough raid you can net a handy number of perks yourself.
There are also handy 163's at bases near HQ's a few of them in the air when the V base starts to flash will almost certainly beat a goon in.
Well, the problem is that if I'm flying 5 sectors away engaged in some air-to-air, I can't just hop out of the cockpit to go defend a GV base. Additionally, I, and I assume most folks, fly around with their map zoomed in on where they are, and so we don't necessarily see it either. Its simply gamey--you take away the spawn and it can't happen.
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theres alot of maps where the enmy HQ is way off in no mans land in a corner and would probly be an hour flight for someone to really take on, i know i wouldent even knowing i wouldent get shot down in my buffs and even then if you did what would you 8 or 9 perk points for an hour or 2 if youd make it bake to land it, not werth it to me, im getting into these buff runs but i dont want to sit around for an hour ot two to line up my run.
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well these VB spawns to aN HQ are really no matter to us, but to a buff runner thats spent 45 min into a flight and then asked to bail to a GV or something thats BS yor getting ready to line up and try to hit a target at 9K or so, more fun then in a GV as ive fond out in the past few days learning to bomb:-)
what was the point of this post? forgot:-)
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Just add some deadly FOO FIGHTERS to off map areas...
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It's pretty easy to repair HQ once damaged so it's not really a big deal.
If you dont like GV's crushing HQ then keep an eye on any base with GV spawns to HQ.
We had GV's killing HQ other night, it pissed off our squad so we went and recaptured the GV base, end of problem.
Why does HTC have to solve all your problems for you? ...use some tactics and fix the problem. Come on, you can park your fighter for 15min and deal with this.....gee whiz
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Easy solution....
DEFEND IT.
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Originally posted by Helm
We had GV's killing HQ other night, it pissed off our squad so we went and recaptured the GV base, end of problem.
Wow ... Helm ... what a brilliant idea ... cudos to you and your squad.
It appears that this concept escapes most ... go figure.
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By the same logic, why don't you guys fight instead of doing your gamey offmap raids and porking HQ?
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It would be really spiffy if more of the maps were built with the idea of usability. For example, why not a second GV base near which also spawns to HQ or a 163 base that isn't way out of the way of the strats its used to defend? Why are there not more 163 enabled bases surrounding core strats? They are fun rides and not invincible. Overall, many of the maps don't seem to give a lot of thought to how to build a good fight and this one example.
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im confused... so u dont mind if they destroy the HQ as long as they do it by plane?
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
Overall, many of the maps don't seem to give a lot of thought to how to build a good fight and this one example.
I think that is unfair to the map makers and couldn't disagree more.
I believe each map was designed with the "good fight" in mind.
You have to remember that a lot of the maps are old and what was a "good fight" when they were designed does not match the current mindset of what a "good fight" is now but there is a limited amount of maps available so we have to deal with the "old" maps and their design.
Fester has made quite a few maps, along with NHawk, and I know for a fact that Fester used quite a bit of input from us to design the "good fight" into his maps ... and I believe NHawk has done the same.
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It really doesn't happen that often where it's a big problem. Plus, it's fun to go bomb the snot out of the GV dweebs hitting HQ with my F6F.
Besides that, you don't even have to end your sortie to go defend the VB or HQ. Just alert everyone on country channel. Usually, more than enough will show up to save the day.
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The GVs hitting an HQ do seem like easy targets. How many GVs does it actually take to flatten the HQ? Is it a few or more like a dozen?
Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
For example, why not a second GV base near which also spawns to HQ or a 163 base that isn't way out of the way of the strats its used to defend? Why are there not more 163 enabled bases surrounding core strats? They are fun rides and not invincible.
Could you imagine the whines if they enabled 163s at more than one field? Buff pilots complain enough about them not letting their HQ runs waltz in unintercepted already.
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Originally posted by Stoney74
Well, the problem is that if I'm flying 5 sectors away engaged in some air-to-air, I can't just hop out of the cockpit to go defend a GV base. Additionally, I, and I assume most folks, fly around with their map zoomed in on where they are, and so we don't necessarily see it either. Its simply gamey--you take away the spawn and it can't happen.
Added to "The Gamey" List .....:O But if this is a Game isn't all things on this list?
Crims
479th Raiders FG
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Originally posted by Helm
"EAT YOUR LIVERS BOYS, EAT YOUR LIVERS..."
I suppose I should just drone holes in the sky over the GV field that spawns to HQ all night then. Should make for a terrific squad night:
"Hey guys, tonight we're going to CAP V?? for all 3 hours. I know the fight is 5 sectors away, but we're going to take one for the team and make sure no one takes it."
"But Stoney, if they see our Dar Bar over the field, they'll never attempt to sneak it"
"Exactly guys, that's the beauty of the strategy we're using. If we were doing our normal thing on the other side of the map, they'd be tempted to come and sneak it. Its a small price to pay to make sure we don't lose radar tonight so we'll be able to know where the enemy is..."
"But Stoney, we won't need radar to see the guys that aren't coming here to fight"
"Trust me, the guys on the Forums say this is what we need to do to make sure no one sneaks the base. If we were flying somewhere else, we'd have to zoom our map out, wait for this field to flash, then bail out of our fighters, and all grab Ostwinds to defend it. I know you guys just want to fly fighter missions, so this is the best of both worlds..."
Give me a break. I feel like I'm flying B-25's out of Corsica.
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If an enemy flies off the map you'll see a red arrow pointing in their direction I believe......
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Nowhere in this post do is say: "Eat your Livers" ....nor in the history of my being in this game have I ever typed in "Eat your Livers" .....what the heck is going on here???
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Originally posted by Stoney74
I suppose I should just drone holes in the sky over the GV field that spawns to HQ all night then. Should make for a terrific squad night:
"Hey guys, tonight we're going to CAP V?? for all 3 hours. I know the fight is 5 sectors away, but we're going to take one for the team and make sure no one takes it."
"But Stoney, if they see our Dar Bar over the field, they'll never attempt to sneak it"
"Exactly guys, that's the beauty of the strategy we're using. If we were doing our normal thing on the other side of the map, they'd be tempted to come and sneak it. Its a small price to pay to make sure we don't lose radar tonight so we'll be able to know where the enemy is..."
"But Stoney, we won't need radar to see the guys that aren't coming here to fight"
"Trust me, the guys on the Forums say this is what we need to do to make sure no one sneaks the base. If we were flying somewhere else, we'd have to zoom our map out, wait for this field to flash, then bail out of our fighters, and all grab Ostwinds to defend it. I know you guys just want to fly fighter missions, so this is the best of both worlds..."
Give me a break. I feel like I'm flying B-25's out of Corsica.
I guess most of us don't quite view the situation with the same urgency as you.
So they take the V Base ... it takes 250 lbs of ord to drop a town building ... it takes 37,000 lbs to drop HQ ... think about how many rounds you have to put into a town building with an Ostie before it blows ... now extrapolate that to the HQ building.
I would think by the time they take the V base ... the V base could be nuked beyond recognition with no survivors and any spawned vehicles dead before they could bring 37,000 lbs ord equivalent down on HQ with Ostwinds and the like.
Hesistate and procrastinate ... then the country deserves to be blind.
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Originally posted by TUXC
The GVs hitting an HQ do seem like easy targets. How many GVs does it actually take to flatten the HQ? Is it a few or more like a dozen?
Originally posted by SlapShot
So they take the V Base ... it takes 250 lbs of ord to drop a town building ... it takes 37,000 lbs to drop HQ ... think about how many rounds you have to put into a town building with an Ostie before it blows ... now extrapolate that to the HQ building.
It takes 3 or 4 panzers or one tiger loaded with HE to drop a HQ.
It does take lots of time, more than enough time to get someone from your country or a squaddie to get out there with some eggs to send them back to the tower. Then you can go get your VH back.
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Originally posted by Stoney74
...on all MA maps.
You want to go take a GV to a strat to pad your score, that's fine. But leave HQ's alone. For those of us trying to chase dar bar to find an air-to-air fight, its a big deal. You want to drop HQ, do it with an aircraft and I'll meet you there.
WHAAAAAAAWHAAAAAAAAA
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Originally posted by SD67
It takes 3 or 4 panzers or one tiger loaded with HE to drop a HQ.
Wrong. I drove a Tiger with a full load of HE to an enemy HQ one night and that wasn't enough to drop the hardened building.
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Yeah you could be right there.
I reviewed the film of when I did it, I hit it with the tiger twice. I only remember the once, because I rolled 3 tigers in between getting down the steep slope :rofl
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Originally posted by SD67
It takes 3 or 4 panzers or one tiger loaded with HE to drop a HQ.
It does take lots of time, more than enough time to get someone from your country or a squaddie to get out there with some eggs to send them back to the tower. Then you can go get your VH back.
Should really get V base back first, THEN go after the gv's at HQ.
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That depends on how many GV's have spawned for HQ.
It's relatively easy to get the V base back. If you already have GV's shelling HQ, you don't have long until the lights go out.
Honour the threat.
It's usually a fair drive to the HQ from the spawn, so If you kill the existing threats, get the V base back then go clean the ones who have re-spawned up, threat eliminated.
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Originally posted by Helm
Nowhere in this post do is say: "Eat your Livers" ....nor in the history of my being in this game have I ever typed in "Eat your Livers" .....what the heck is going on here???
Its a quote from Major Green, a character in the book "Catch 22". Sorry, yes I edited your quote.
Sneak the V-base gentlemen. At least HTC gave us another server to play on...
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GV bases are easy to capture and defend but it's not easy to capture one thats near any HQ. It takes a lot of time and skill to get there going NOE. Besides you, there are many hazards to avoid along the way. You need to avoid all enemy dar rings doing your best not to alert the enemy. You must also maintain a hidden status for many sectors climbing up and down hills and mountains trying your best not to break the dar bar either. OTW there your time and effort can easily be wasted by even the worst player in the game willing to find and kill your goon.
HQ is not extremely hard to kill and just as easy to re supply. Seems like a petty whine to me and would not expect it from a CM staff member either.
Keep your eyes open and this won't happen. Most of all, keep your respect by not looking like a quitter or childish board flipper and leave because your DAR will be out for a measly 25 minutes or less. The way to handle this problem is to not be a selfish cry baby and get your lazy butt in a goon loaded with supplies and help your countrymen get their dar back up.:aok
Originally posted by SD67
It's also pretty easy to thwart a capture that's done like this. Just up an ostwind or two when the base starts to flash.
Originally posted by Helm
It's pretty easy to repair HQ once damaged so it's not really a big deal.
If you dont like GV's crushing HQ then keep an eye on any base with GV spawns to HQ.
We had GV's killing HQ other night, it pissed off our squad so we went and recaptured the GV base, end of problem.
Why does HTC have to solve all your problems for you? ...use some tactics and fix the problem. Come on, you can park your fighter for 15min and deal with this.....gee whiz
Originally posted by BiPoLaR
WHAAAAAAAWHAAAAAAAAA