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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: miraj on December 15, 2007, 04:12:26 PM
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At what distance are your most common fighter vs fighter shots taken ?
Whether cannon or machine gun , I tend to lead the target a bit at 400 and not lead at 200.
Most all of my shots are taken at iether 200 or 400. However ALOT more planes end up in my sights at 400.
So if most of my shots are taken at 400 , that means I should set convergance at 400 on just about everything I fly ..., right??
In the effort to improve my marksmanship , any comments shared are much appreciated.
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I set my convergence to 400 for all planes with wing mounted guns.... so thats where i try to take my shots
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I've improved greatly.
I used to start shooting just inside 800. I'm practising restraint and now trying to hold off until I get to less than 400.
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Right up thier ***.
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about 200 with a tater
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I usually like to be inside d200. But then my shooting stinks.
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When they fill the windscreen, then you can't possibly miss.;)
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i knock them down from 600-800
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mine are set to 650 i only fly typhoons and hurricanes for ftrs
thsoe 20 misl shoot liek lazers
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point blank
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When you are close enough to get hit by remains of their wing. :)
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I try to not shoot until within 400 yds... i use 400 as magic number.
my convergenges in all fighters set to 300
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With bombers the typical shot is maybe 600 yrds. But a lot depends. Depends on the angle of attack, or the type of attack. Ive often started shooting at 1,000 yrds. And on occasion havnt started until 300 yrds or less.
A lot of fighter sticks are pretty slick. They know the ammo loads in the bombers and will often tease and dance around trying to get you to use it up.
I just had a guy in a Spit do that. He danced around at 800 yards trying to get me to use up my ammo. Unfortunatly for him I used it up shooting him down.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
With bombers the typical shot is maybe 600 yrds. But a lot depends. Depends on the angle of attack, or the type of attack. Ive often started shooting at 1,000 yrds. And on occasion havnt started until 300 yrds or less.
A lot of fighter sticks are pretty slick. They know the ammo loads in the bombers and will often tease and dance around trying to get you to use it up.
I just had a guy in a Spit do that. He danced around at 800 yards trying to get me to use up my ammo. Unfortunatly for him I used it up shooting him down.
800 dead with in seconds better dance around 1.5k cause i will pop you around 1-1.3k
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I used to hold fire til 200 ft but I found I was taking damage from hits/debris or just ramming
Now I set my convergence to 400ft. Much better.
I also turned off tracers. This took me a long time to adjust to. But I also found my targets were slower to respond to the hits then when they could see tracers zing by.
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Close enough to hear the parts of the enemy plane bouncing off my plane.
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Under 200 from any angle and often at the point just before collision.
...-Gixer
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From a 50cal up, I shoot at 400-200 when in a turn, 600-200 when flying straight, and 1.0K out if they are running and I try to scare them back into the fight.
From 30cal down, I shoot at 200 all the time. Those .303's are devestating at close ranges.
All my convergences, except the 262 and 163, are set between 400-475. For 262's and 163's I down shoot until I am as close as I'm gonna get, and set convergences at 350.
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200-300 yards, generally. Convergence is set to 250
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Between 200-400 with taters, and at any freaking angle :)
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Originally posted by Latrobe
From a 50cal up, I shoot at 400-200 when in a turn, 600-200 when flying straight, and 1.0K out if they are running and I try to scare them back into the fight.
From 30cal down, I shoot at 200 all the time. Those .303's are devestating at close ranges.
All my convergences, except the 262 and 163, are set between 400-475. For 262's and 163's I down shoot until I am as close as I'm gonna get, and set convergences at 350.
The same as me, except I set the converence at 650 on the 262s and 163s.
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for 50cals i set convergence at 400 and shoot from 800-200 depending on the G-forces of the gun solution. more G force = need to get closer and lead more.
for 20mm i set convergnce at 300 for MA use and shoot between 400-200
for a DA duel i set all guns of any type to 175-200 convergence and usualy shoot between 100-200 yrds.
and btw Salute Miraj, been a while :)
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Originally posted by kilz
800 dead with in seconds better dance around 1.5k cause i will pop you around 1-1.3k
Yeah sure:lol Spoken like a guy with 7 kills from bombers this tour to 26 deaths. Or 5 kills to 40 deaths last month.:lol
Your just an ace Kilz.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Yeah sure:lol Spoken like a guy with 7 kills from bombers this tour to 26 deaths. Or 5 kills to 40 deaths last month.:lol
Your just an ace Kilz.
Don't be too harsh on Kilz . . . .
. . . He bombs, then bails. ;)
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Originally posted by thrila
200-300 yards, generally. Convergence is set to 250
Me, too.
- oldman
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Originally posted by E25280
Don't be too harsh on Kilz . . . .
. . . He bombs, then bails. ;)
The point being in his head he actually thinks hes a bomber/gunner ace who slays all at 1.3k.:lol I could do better then 5Ks,40Ds if I only rammed fighters.
Heres his scores Kills/deaths in the LW.
December, 7 to 26
Nov. 5 to 40
October, 14 to 39
September, 28 to 98:lol
August, 7 kills to 32 deaths
So he has about the same time in the game as me yet always had a better bomber rank.:lol
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You misunderstand, Rich. "Deaths" occur in many ways, not just against enemy planes. There is field ack, ostwinds, ships guns, intentional augering, and even blowing yourself up with your own bombs as you lancstuka against ground vehicles. To pretend that his deaths are necessarily indicative of his gunnery ability is folly.
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Originally posted by E25280
You misunderstand, Rich. "Deaths" occur in many ways, not just against enemy planes. There is field ack, ostwinds, ships guns, intentional augering, and even blowing yourself up with your own bombs as you lancstuka against ground vehicles. To pretend that his deaths are necessarily indicative of his gunnery ability is folly.
No I do understand. I do understand that Im probably 2 kills for every 1 death in actual 1 on 1 fights with fighters. That excludes getting killed by ack, while sitting in the bomb sight, getting caught landing,and all kinds of things that can happen other then actual gunfights with fighters.
I understand completely and am a far better gunner then Kilz. Ask most people who have fought against me.
And "I" cant make 1.3k shots consistently, if at all. In fact I dont even try to shoot from that far away.
So I understand far better then most, and more except for those few who actually spend more time in bombers then I do. And as I said there are only a few of them.
Anyone with those kind of kill/death ratios, so few hours in bombers, and only a few months in the game, shouldn't be bragging about killing from 1.3k away. Hes not even making his 600 yrd shots let alone his 1.3 ones.
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Buffers shouldn't brag..period:D
If 999000 doesn't, than no one should.
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Originally posted by miraj
At what distance are your most common fighter vs fighter shots taken ?
So if most of my shots are taken at 400 , that means I should set convergance at 400 on just about everything I fly ..., right??
Mine are USUALLY taken at d200-d400 but everynowandthen the way out there shot's taken.
My convergence, although my shots are taken at d200-d400 is set up like this (P-51)
2 Guns set up at 200
2 Guns set up at 400
1 Gun set up at 450
1 Gun set up at 500
I have it set like this so I have 4 guns at my primary shooting area, but have 2 to take the long shots just in case I need 'em.
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hey trigger thats an interesting setup you describe. im curious though about snapshots and 'one timers' , do you feel you lose out on those areas of gunnery by having your convergence staggered so?
i find i only make snapshots count when i catch them at convergence. Out of convergnce, too far or too near, i often just put a neat row of holes either side of the canopy on both wings.
could you list any other advantages to a staggered gun setup, surprisingly in the 5 years i've been here, i have never once tried a staggered setup.
what more can you tell us about this style of convergence, i expect you have some good experience to share.
S!
bat
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
I understand completely and am a far better gunner then Kilz. anytime you want to find out sweet heart i am in the DA every day.
And "I" cant make 1.3k shots consistently, if at all. In fact I dont even try to shoot from that far away. well sorry you dont take the time to learn how to shoot 1-1.5k out. had a very good teacher his old name was Thummper then he went to the LTARs and was known as LTARthmp
So I understand far better then most, and more except for those few who actually spend more time in bombers then I do. And as I said there are only a few of them. blah blah blah
Anyone with those kind of kill/death ratios, so few hours in bombers, and only a few months in the game, shouldn't be bragging about killing from 1.3k away. Hes not even making his 600 yrd shots let alone his 1.3 ones. where do you get a few months from noob. if you dont know your facts then shut that mouth. I have been in this game way longer then you can even think of. Like i said care to find out I am in the DA every day teaching and training bunch of folks how to fly and bomb and gv and all that good stuff. care to learn something or even school me feel free to join us. I will give you one thing no i dont bomb that much anymore. if you think i score hore then you need to look at my stats again noob. anyone that knows me will tell you that i dont score hore. i play to have fun and squelch noobs like you. want to turn this into a personal thing then lets end it by meeting me in the DA on Monday. plus if you had anything in that head of yours you will see that even the time i have been on the BBS says that i have been here more then a few months frickin noobs
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Yeah sure:lol Spoken like a guy with 7 kills from bombers this tour to 26 deaths. Or 5 kills to 40 deaths last month.:lol
Your just an ace Kilz.
I have 7 kills SWEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
dude you all hung up on my nuts get off.
i dont bomb to get kills. if you are running a bomber mission and get attacked then you have failed your bomber mission. i normaly fly with escorts and i dont bomb below 15k. unless i am doing a NOE town bombing raid then yes i die alot by the ack. i die alot to cvs. and i also die alot to planes. not saying i will kill everyone of them fighters at 1-1.5k but i know i can, and i have done it before and i can still do it.
score dont mean squat around here. you will learn that sometime.
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Originally posted by E25280
You misunderstand, Rich. "Deaths" occur in many ways, not just against enemy planes. There is field ack, ostwinds, ships guns, intentional augering, and even blowing yourself up with your own bombs as you lancstuka against ground vehicles. To pretend that his deaths are necessarily indicative of his gunnery ability is folly.
Rich you did misunderstand E25280 he is an old squadie of mine and was having some fun with me. LTARget knows how well i bomb and how well my gunnery is in a bomber.
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and if your so fascinated with my scores you can look up LTARkils and LTARkilz<---my first CPID ever. i am done with this one. :D
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Originally posted by kilz
Rich you did misunderstand E25280 he is an old squadie of mine and was having some fun with me. LTARget knows how well i bomb and how well my gunnery is in a bomber.
What part of "I understand" dont you understand?
And which is it? Are you asking a question or being insulting?
Your game name of Kilz goes back maybe 4 or 5 tours. Or maybe 4 tours before you took a break, or whatever.
And if you climb to 15,000' every time you take bombers out, or most of the time, then your gunnery skills are even less then I thought.
It all started with you bragging, while quoting me, that you routinely kill out to 1.3k. And you cant do that. I fully understand all the intricacies of flying bombers, and kills/deaths, probably better then most.
Guys like 999000, who really can gun, routinely post 1 to 1 kill/deaths as I do, or as I come close to. Shooting that far away is a waste of ammo. And you dont have the kills to back up your mouth so I suggest you call it quits now.
May I ask how old are you?
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errr... back on topic, I tend to shot <400 in fighters, ping people with my .303's at 800 to try and get them to turn if they're running and around 800 in buffs.
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i only shoot within 400 my convergance is set to 350 in all planes
on bombers i start shooting at 600
now if someone is trying to run i will nose up a little and fire a one click burst over their plane to try to get them to turn but i dont waste a lot of ammo.
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Originally posted by Rino
Buffers shouldn't brag..period:D
If 999000 doesn't, than no one should.
Good point since 999000 has more kills in a bomber (by 42) then I have of kills total! :rofl
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I don't think I should even load guns on my aircraft for I am too often dead before I can even think about using them!!!!!
Regards,
Cannon Fodder
HEHE!
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I set my convergence for all guns at 275, except for the planes that have all 50 cals like the F6f or ponies. 50cals I will always set at 300 since they hold their line longer. I usually shoot at 400 or less. The closer the better.
Spazz
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i love seeing bombers shooting at 1.5k, i'll just wiggle around there for a while and they burn off their ammo, making for easy kilz (lol)
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
What part of "I understand" dont you understand?
And which is it? Are you asking a question or being insulting?
Your game name of Kilz goes back maybe 4 or 5 tours. Or maybe 4 tours before you took a break, or whatever.
And if you climb to 15,000' every time you take bombers out, or most of the time, then your gunnery skills are even less then I thought.
It all started with you bragging, while quoting me, that you routinely kill out to 1.3k. And you cant do that. I fully understand all the intricacies of flying bombers, and kills/deaths, probably better then most.
Guys like 999000, who really can gun, routinely post 1 to 1 kill/deaths as I do, or as I come close to. Shooting that far away is a waste of ammo. And you dont have the kills to back up your mouth so I suggest you call it quits now.
May I ask how old are you?
only thing i have left to say is i am in the DA every day. care to join me for a little one on one.
Maybe you didnt read all my post. like i said do your paper work before you open that mouth of yours. LTARkilz goes back to tour 60 or 61 something like that.
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The way I've been flying/fighting this camp I should have my convergences set to -650.
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Originally posted by kilz
only thing i have left to say is i am in the DA every day. care to join me for a little one on one.
Maybe you didnt read all my post. like i said do your paper work before you open that mouth of yours. LTARkilz goes back to tour 60 or 61 something like that.
Yeah do that. Show me how you consistantly make kills at 1.3 out. I mean with your guns not with your mouth. With your mouth I'll bet you can make shots a lot farther out.
So what is your game name? Kilz or LTARKilz? Cause I cant find anything under LTARKilz and under Kilz its obvious your bomber gunnery lacks.
That is what were talking about right? Bomber gunnery? If there is some kind of misunderstanding then we'll let sleeping dogs lie. Either way im not going to get into a pissing match here. Just so you know theres a reason if I left the thread. Some guys are having a fine conversation and I'd prefer not to see it ruined.
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Originally posted by nirvana
When they fill the windscreen, then you can't possibly miss.;)
I can manage it! In fact, I just did last night, to my amazement.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
hey trigger thats an interesting setup you describe. im curious though about snapshots and 'one timers' , do you feel you lose out on those areas of gunnery by having your convergence staggered so?
i find i only make snapshots count when i catch them at convergence. Out of convergnce, too far or too near, i often just put a neat row of holes either side of the canopy on both wings.
could you list any other advantages to a staggered gun setup, surprisingly in the 5 years i've been here, i have never once tried a staggered setup.
what more can you tell us about this style of convergence, i expect you have some good experience to share.
S!
bat
With the staggered set up, the snapshots you do have to make your shots count, but the 4 guns set to the inside can make an impact, plus, at close range, the 2 long range guns (which are usually my far guns) can make contact, maybe not where you want it (i.e. the wing causing paint damage) but can put holes in the plane none-the-less and get them psyched out a bit, which, could win you the fight. The snapshots, you just don't have as many guns on em, so go for 1) the engine or 2) the pilot, don't try to be one merge wonder and take off their wing.
With the 'one timers' you've mentioned, I personally don't care much for 'em to begin with. I like the fight rather than the kill, and if I get shot down cause I didn't take the inital merge shot, then so be it. 'one shots' still happen, just not as much and it requires either a lot of luck, a lot of skill, or a **** nice shot to the engine.
The staggered gun set up, for me anyways, is the best way to go. It gives you the long range accuracy when you need it like for those runnin lala dweebs :furious or if you have a bit more accuracy, taking out a bombers gun before you engage :aok but it also gives you those inside guns for when you need it which is the majority of the time. It takes a bit of getting used to, but it gives you a wide variety of attack stratagies that you couldn't use before, or, if anything, gives you the slightest nudge you might need for the upper hand.
I suggest you give it a try, give it maybe a week, get used to it, see if you like it. It's how I fly, but I'm known to be a bit...'different'. :aok best of luck to you bat, S!
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When I'm flying a fighter plane, I line up my shot from about 5.5K away and I take it at D400.