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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Chairboy on December 16, 2007, 11:59:27 AM
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Two boy scout counselors, 17 year old Clayton Frady and 18 year old David litickabee, the son of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, have admitted to catching a stray dog during their summer session at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, AR, and hanging the dog by his neck, slitting his throat and stoning him to death.
Camp officials, who did not report the crime to law enforcement officials, have admitted that the act did occur and have fired the boys from their positions. However, no charges have been filed against the young men.
Kids do stuff, and you can't automatically blame the parents for everything, but the following is in an upcoming Newsweek:
The incident led to the dismissal of David Huckabee, then 17, from his job as a counselor at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, Ark. It also prompted the local prosecuting attorney— bombarded with complaints generated by a national animal-rights group—to write a letter to the Arkansas state police seeking help investigating whether David and another teenager had violated state animal-cruelty laws. The state police never granted the request, and no charges were ever filed. But John Bailey, then the director of Arkansas's state police, tells NEWSWEEK that Governor Huckabee's chief of staff and personal lawyer both leaned on him to write a letter officially denying the local prosecutor's request.
Bailey, a career officer who had been appointed chief by Huckabee's Democratic predecessor, said he viewed the lawyer's intervention as improper and terminated the conversation. Seven months later, he was called into Huckabee's office and fired. "I've lost confidence in your ability to do your job," Bailey says Huckabee told him. One reason Huckabee cited was "I couldn't get you to help me with my son when I had that problem," according to Bailey. "Without question, [Huckabee] was making a conscious attempt to keep the state police from investigating his son," says I. C. Smith, the former FBI chief in Little Rock, who worked closely with Bailey and called him a "courageous" and "very solid" professional.
If true, this is bad news.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Kids do stuff, and you can't automatically blame the parents for everything, but the following is in an upcoming Newsweek:
If true, this is bad news.
Bad news for who? You?
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You don't think the timing of this story has anything to do with the election do you? :huh
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Originally posted by Maverick
You don't think the timing of this story has anything to do with the election do you? :huh
Surely not.
:noid
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Originally posted by Slash27
Bad news for who? You?
Really? You don't understand?
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Of course it's timed, they wouldn't have bothered doing the research on him unless he was a realistic presidential candidate. Here's a question, though, if it's true, are you ok with what he did?
Try and put your knowing smirks down for a moment to answer the question straight if you don't mind.
I have a real problem with folks abusing their power, and trying to suppress an investigation in this manner seems to be a clear example of exactly that.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I have a real problem with folks abusing their power, and trying to suppress an investigation in this manner seems to be a clear example of exactly that.
whitewater-clintons.
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What you posted (without a link) claims the young men admitted catching the dog while what I've read said they claim to have come upon the dog that other scouts had tied up. One of these is a lie. One intentional lie destroys all credibility imo.
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Unnamed "camp officials" were "quoted". The only person identified as the source for the story is a fired disgruntled employee who happens to be a dem fired by a repub and the story was released just in time for the early Caucasus. Yes this story (unlinked BTW) has credibility all over it.
:huh
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I have a real problem with folks abusing their power, and trying to suppress an investigation in this manner seems to be a clear example of exactly that.
ok
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Well at best it seems to be an allegation of influencing. So far the corroboration seems pretty weak.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Well at best it seems to be an allegation of influencing. So far the corroboration seems pretty weak.
Which is why I wrote:Originally posted by Chairboy
If true, this is bad news.
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Why didn't you provide a link to the story?
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Accurate or not, anything that keeps this putz from being the Gop nominee
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Here's more developments:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241
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If an Arkansas governor can use the state police to bring him prostitutes and go on to be elected to the Presidency by knowing voters it may not hurt Huckabee too much to be accused of asking them for a favor in protecting his son. I think I favor Romney over Huckabee but anybody over Hillary/Obama.
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Kids do the darndest things. :rofl
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If Huckabee is sure that he is the right candidate for the presidency, he'd probably consider that doing what he did as the least worst solution to his reputation. His own reputation matters more than what someone else did that he'd unduely be given responsibility for - the trade off wasn't worth it.
Better get in the white house by covering up some benign crime his kid did on his own impulse than let it be exploited by the media and get excessively bad press for it.
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See what happened?
Ever since they let them dammm Atheist into the Boy Scouts...
*shakes head*
Mac
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No believable corroboration eh? Sounds like horsechit to me.
I got my own reasons for not voting for Huckabee....but this isn't one of them.
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Huckabee's a moron anyway, and his son has some hardcore issues if he's doing this kind of stuff.
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I live here, Hatfield is 10 miles away, Camp Pioneer is actually out near the Old Dallas community. Have not heard a thing about this story. That does not make it untrue, I just have not heard. I'm sure that it would have made the rounds and my wife would have said something. Its just the kind of thing that offends her city folk sensibilities ;)
Anyway, sounds like a typical political load of hooey to me, with enough truth to it to make you wonder.
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There is a major smear campaign currently going on against Huckabee right now.
No one is willing to debate actual issues with him. Instead, all kinds of personal allegations are now being made to discredit him. Remember that this whole story started out with an ANONYMOUS FAX. This reeks of dirty politics, to me. Nothing less than Mud throwing.
It would be the Democratic Party's worst nightmare for a social moderate like Huckabee to get the Republican nomination.
And the Republican Right wing hates him even more. Romney is even calling him a liberal, and saying that his positions on some issues are those of a Democrat.
This is going to be the dirtiest Presidential campaign ever. I doubt we will ever hear any real issues discussed.
SIG 220
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He is getting swift boated.
It used to be this type of thing would not reflect too harshly on the candidate, remember Billy Carter?
This stuff obviously works now on the unthinking masses.
shamus
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Well, to be fair, it's not an anonymous claim, the director of the State Police is on record saying that Huckabee told him to quash the investigation, then fired him for "not helping him out" with his son's issue. Sure, he might be saying stuff because he's pissed about getting fired, but he's putting his name on the line and putting himself under risk of criminal charges if it's a fabrication.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Well, to be fair, it's not an anonymous claim, the director of the State Police is on record saying that Huckabee told him to quash the investigation, then fired him for "not helping him out" with his son's issue. Sure, he might be saying stuff because he's pissed about getting fired, but he's putting his name on the line and putting himself under risk of criminal charges if it's a fabrication.
You missed my point. The whole thing got initially spread to the press via an anonymous FAX. WHO sent that FAX? What was their motivation? Aren't you at all interested in that?
If such tactics were being used against Obama or Clinton, the Democrats would be screaming bloody murder at this point and calling it a Republican conspiracy.
If you think that it is a crime to lie to the press about events, then you need to go back and study criminal law. He is not under oath in any courtroom. Huckabee could sue him in civil court if he is lying. But that would only serve to generate more negative publicity for him. So there is no way that he would ever do that. Besides, it would be his word against the other guy's word. How could one determine who is telling the truth?
And you fail to note that Mr. Baily, the director of the State Police, was fired by Huckabee. How do you know that this is not just bitter grapes on his part for being fired back then, as Huckabee says??
This is dirty, dirty stuff. It is outright mud-slinging.
Huckabee is coming across as the most moderate Republican candidate, and that is appealing to a lot of folks.
Do you realize how many other similar stories like this one, have come out this past week since he rose up so high in the polls??
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Originally posted by Maverick
You don't think the timing of this story has anything to do with the election do you? :huh
Does timing matter in a case like this? If it happened 5 years ago or 2 weeks ago it makes no diffrence. It shows he abused his powers to get his kid out of trouble.
I mean hell if it's for speeding or a party then hell who cares, but this is a pretty sick freaking crime.
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Originally posted by SIG220
YAnd you fail to note that Mr. Baily, the director of the State Police, was fired by Huckabee. How do you know that this is not just bitter grapes on his part for being fired back then, as Huckabee says??
Actually, I explicitly mentioned that in the message you're quoting, you might want to read things a little closer before replying. But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of good posturing.
Don't shoot the messenger, this is a news story that's worth discussing which is why I posted it. If it's a "swift boating", then that's a story too.
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Originally posted by SIG220
You missed my point. The whole thing got initially spread to the press via an anonymous FAX. WHO sent that FAX? What was their motivation? Aren't you at all interested in that?
If such tactics were being used against Obama or Clinton, the Democrats would be screaming bloody murder at this point and calling it a Republican conspiracy.
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Oh BS.. Republicans use the dirtiest tactics out there and the Dems hardly ever say anything about it. The fact is this happened and it was brought to public eye.
Politically motivated? Ummm yea I'm sure it was.. Well guess what it still happened and he abused his powers for personal gain.
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Originally posted by crockett
Does timing matter in a case like this? If it happened 5 years ago or 2 weeks ago it makes no diffrence. It shows he abused his powers to get his kid out of trouble.
I mean hell if it's for speeding or a party then hell who cares, but this is a pretty sick freaking crime.
His son was never charged with any crime, despite the fact that the local DA investigated.
Are you going to convict someone of a crime, by reports being spread by a most biased animal rights group and the press??
This is very dirty dirty politics at work here.
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Originally posted by crockett
Oh BS.. Republicans use the dirtiest tactics out there and the Dems hardly ever say anything about it. The fact is this happened and it was brought to public eye.
Politically motivated? Ummm yea I'm sure it was.. Well guess what it still happened and he abused his powers for personal gain.
There is no proof at all here that he abused his powers. All you have are allegations made by a disgruntled former employee that Huckabee fired.
You are conducting nothing less than a Witch Hunt here with your remarks. Someone accuses Huckabee of being a Witch, and you just chime in and repeat the allegation. "Witch", you cry out.
I think Huckabee is strong enough to get through all of this mud-slinging. And I think that it may hopefully backfire. The American people are getting sick and tired of this sort of stuff.
More weight Crockett!! MORE WEIGHT!! ( quoting Giles Corey here )
SIG 20
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Originally posted by crockett
Does timing matter in a case like this? If it happened 5 years ago or 2 weeks ago it makes no diffrence. It shows he abused his powers to get his kid out of trouble.
I mean hell if it's for speeding or a party then hell who cares, but this is a pretty sick freaking crime.
Actually it shows nothing. There has been no corroboration at this time. It is an allegation of wrongdoing, not proof.
In addition to that, have you ever heard the phrase, "vast right wing conspiracy"? Do you know who used it while campaigning and what party they belong to?
I'm not a Huckabee fan, I just find the dirty campaigning going on to be rather juvenile.
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Hillary knows nothing about it, it must have been her staff.
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I'd like to know how Huckabee is a "social moderate"?
This seems much more disturbing to me:
Gov. Mike Huckabee said Wednesday that his religious background and belief in redemption played a key role in the high number of state prisoners he has pardoned or turned loose early.
Religious belief is fine by me, but overriding civil justice based on religion is dead wrong.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937883/posts
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Sigh...
I hate politics sometimes :(
I wish the election were over... if only to avoid stories like this.
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It's okay, you can still vote for him -- DNA skips a generation. :confused:
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Sometimes it's hard to be a parent:
http://www.todaysthv.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=44921
This is just a silly mistake, but family meals must get kinda strained these days.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I'd like to know how Huckabee is a "social moderate"?
This seems much more disturbing to me:
Religious belief is fine by me, but overriding civil justice based on religion is dead wrong.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937883/posts
This is the thing that I love about Mike Huckabee. BOTH the Far Right and the Far Left are attacking him!! Romney is especially hitting him big time with attack ads now, even calling him a liberal. The right wing of the Repubican party is clearly scared of him, and that is why their websites, like the one you reference here, are attacking him now.
Showing compassion and mercy are signs that someone is a more socially aware person. These are universal qualities that most people admire. Although Christ taught them to his followers, Christians have no monopoly on these qualities.
I would rather have someone in office who is too compassionate, than one who is lacking in this quality.
I also love how Huckabee is ignoring all of these attacks, and staying on his positive message.
Please visit Huckabee's website, and donate money to his campaign. He does not have the big wallet of Romney, nor the fat cats supporting Guiliani. He needs our support.
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/
SIG 220
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One thing I like about Huckabee:
http://thebellwetherdaily.blogspot.com/2007/12/mike-huckabee-on-faith-honest-atheists.html
He "prefers honest atheists to phony believers" and describes a roll of religion in the public eye that sounds in-line with the constitution. This is certainly better sounding than some of his older writings that attacked "unbelievers", so it's a positive development.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Sometimes it's hard to be a parent:
http://www.todaysthv.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=44921
This is just a silly mistake, but family meals must get kinda strained these days.
This is also a rather old story. This happened way back in April, many months ago. People certainly are having a hard time digging up dirt on Huckabee, if this is the best they can do.
American Politics are truly amazing. Our candidates really don't have to come up with any plans to improve things in our country. They can side step issues with double-speak ( like Hillary did in that debate over drivers licenses for illegal aliens in New York ), and just put out "feel-good" slogans that are really meaningless.
McCain is way too old to be running for President at this time. I think he would have made the best choice for President back in 2000, but not now. He would replace Reagan as the oldest elected President, if he was elected next year. Reagan was 69 when he was elected back in 1980, while McCain would be 72 if elected. His health is not all that great either, due to the years of torture and abuse he suffered as a prisoner during the Vietnam War.
Giulani seems to be totally one dimensional, and has made major flip-flops on issues. Romney has done the same with some big flip-flops too, and is way too far to the right for me. If the Republicans pick him, it will be a repeat of Goldwater's campaign in 1964.
People are getting so sick of both attack ads and smear campaigns, that I think we are going to see a change in politics in the USA this year, and find out that they are now going to back-fire, instead of being effective.
In fact, I think that the CBS 60 Minutes Hoax with all of those forged National Guard documents regarding Bush's service from an anonymous source may be what finally turned the tide against this sort of stuff. In fact, I think that incident may well have made the difference in getting Bush re-elected in the last campaign.
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Didn't Huckabee raise his hand when the candidates were asked whether they didn't believe in evolution?
Do you really want a silly flat-earther for president?
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Plenty of the folks here don't believe in evolution either, so that might not be as much of a zinger as you'd hope. I'd guess there are plenty of biblical literalists here too, as in "7 days means 7 days".
....but that's beside the point. Evolution is not a political discussion, it's a scientific one. There's no requirement to me that a presidential candidate believe in evolution, as long as he/she doesn't allow this belief or lack of belief to affect their actions. If they act constitutionally, the end result should be fine. I have faith in the integrity of our Constitution. It's my Seldon Plan (geek reference).
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Unfortunately I get the Seldon reference... how scary is that?
Sorry, but I expect our president to be more than a just a guy who stays within the constitution. He/She needs to be a leader and an inspiration to the country. Personal beliefs are very important, especially if they make him/her lean away from knowledge and toward mysticism.
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Classy:
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=p-2Sb7dFsvM
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To those of you who have only seen the Huckabee of the campaign trail, let me remind you of what Bill Clinton told the nation's democrats about George Bush; "Don't underestimate this man."
Save for his stances on the Second Amendment and abortion, Huckabee is a democrat, composed of slathers of social concern. He has more in common with Bill Clinton than just the same home town. He has the same smarmy, "feel-your-pain" persona, which seems to play so well in the South, the Midwest, and rural areas of the north.
Yet, don't let his soft-spoken ways fool you....the man can play hard-ball when he has to. Just ask Jim Guy Tucker, former governor of the state, one of those convicted of corruption in the Whitewater scandal, who had to resign from office, and who toyed with the idea of staying anyway. Huckabee mobilized the press and public opinion and the powers of the state government to lever the man from office, and made him look like a rank amateur politician in the process.
Another trait he shares with Clinton is an inability to take responsibility for his actions. He has yet to own up to his role in the Wayne Dumond affair. Make no mistake about it, the application of pressure by Huckabee is the main reason this slimey piece of humanity was released from prison. Dumond was guilty as hell, but Huckabee didn't care what the recommendations from the parole board were....he went into social moderate mode, and pressured them to release him. Which they did. The scumbag left the state.....and killed two people in Missouri.
I've got other reasons for not voting for the man, stemming from his bigger-is-better, urban-trumps-rural, small-towns-got-no-reason-to-exist, mentality. That might not be enough to keep some from voting for him, but it is for me.
I hope he falls flat of his face in the election. Hell, I might even have to vote for a democrat . What a conundrum....Hillary or Huckabee.
Guess I could always abstain.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Classy:
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=p-2Sb7dFsvM
What? You never shave your legs in a warm tub of water?
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For lower drag while swimming, right?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
For lower drag while swimming, right?
Lower drag, yeah, that's it.
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Originally posted by john9001
whitewater-clintons.
its sad...That guy is allowed to teach someones children!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Didn't Huckabee raise his hand when the candidates were asked whether they didn't believe in evolution?
Do you really want a silly flat-earther for president?
You know, you are using here the exact same type of rumor and innuendo spreading tactic that people are complaining about in politics these days. And even stooping so low as to engage in name-calling too. Do you really think that folks will not see through this tactic?
Which specific debate are you referring to? I am not aware of any Republican debate asking for a show of hands on this question, as you have described here in your message.
Why don't you try to debate the election on some real issues, like the economy, taxes, gun control, the war in Iraq, or immigration??
Jimmy Carter is just as much a devoutly religious Baptist as Huckabee is. And I don't recall his religious beliefs ever being attacked in the 1976 campaign, either by fellow Democrats during the primary, or by Republicans in the general election. In fact, I don't know of a single decision that Carter made as President that was influenced by his religious beliefs.
Do you?? If so, please name them.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by SIG220
You know, you are using here the exact same type of rumor and innuendo spreading tactic that people are complaining about in politics these days. And even stooping so low as to engage in name-calling too. Do you really think that folks will not see through this tactic?
Which specific debate are you referring to? I am not aware of any Republican debate asking for a show of hands on this question, as you have described here in your message.
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Here ya go, Sig:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Cc8t3Zd5E
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Yet, don't let his soft-spoken ways fool you....the man can play hard-ball when he has to. Just ask Jim Guy Tucker, former governor of the state, one of those convicted of corruption in the Whitewater scandal, who had to resign from office, and who toyed with the idea of staying anyway. Huckabee mobilized the press and public opinion and the powers of the state government to lever the man from office, and made him look like a rank amateur politician in the process.
Let's see here, you are blaming Huckabee for Tucker's White Water criminal problems? That is so ridiculous. And State law in Arkansas does not allow for convicted felons to serve. For Tucker to have fought against that was a clearly losing battle for him to wage. The public would never have supported him staying, with or without Huckabee's efforts.
Tucker only had himself to blame for his downfall. For you to use this issue to attack Huckabee only shows how very desperate you are to bad-mouth the man.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Here ya go, Sig:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Cc8t3Zd5E
Well, I must admit that I don't use youtube much at all, and did not even think to check it for info, as I obviously should have done. I now see there are all sorts of video clips available there for download.
But you know, the whole question is really irrelevant, and that is part of my argument here. I'm sure that Jimmy Carter would have responded the very same way in that situation if he had faced it in the 1976 campaign. And you know, these sorts of questions are not even being put to the Democratic candidates in their debates. I wonder why that is? If this is such an important issue that we need to know in order to base our selection for President, then why not put it to them as well?
Both Edwards and Obama have made much during their campaigns about their strong religious beliefs and backgrounds, and they claim to be men of faith. So if this issue really was relevant, it would be asked of them, as well as the Republicans.
When I went into YouTube to view this, I also found these follow up comments by Huckabee here, where he was actually able to explain his position on this subject:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-BFEhkIujA&feature=related
And to expand on Huckabee's remarks in the video above, just how will his beliefs affect his role as President? He made in clear in his remarks that he is not going to try to change any scientific textbooks in school.
The clip you posted is again what I consider to be a dirty tactic. For it really does not give Huckabee any chance to really explain his views, as the clip I have provided the link to does. At least it gives Huckabee a chance to explain his beliefs.
So again, I say that people are using very underhanded tactics in attacking Huckabee. And that video you referred to here is another such example.
If you cannot fault or debate Huckabee on any actual real issue that our nation is currently facing, then that really says a lot about you.
If you want to criticize him over issues like the war in Iraq, the housing financial crisis, outsourcing jobs overseas, gun control, abortion rights, energy policies, education, or immigration, that is all fair game and appropriate.
But this other stuff is totally bogus junk, and not real issues. It is mud slinging.
As I gun owner, I find Huckabee very friendly. McCain, Romney, and Giulani are all in favor of a new federal "Assault Gun" ban, as are all of the Democratic candidates. The only Republicans against it are Ron Paul and Huckabee. And I sure as heck will never vote for Ron Paul.
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I'm not voting for Huckabee because his name sounds funnay.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
I hope he falls flat of his face in the election. Hell, I might even have to vote for a democrat . What a conundrum....Hillary or Huckabee.
Guess I could always abstain.
Nah. Don't abstain. Write in Stephen Colbert. :aok
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Sig220, when you say it's underhanded, are you talking about Mr. Huckabee raising his hand? Or was it the impoliteness of the cameraman who recorded him stating that he doesn't believe in evolution? A note, I just used Google to find the clip when you mentioned you hadn't seen it, I figured you'd want the available facts.
Either way, I've already stated here that I don't think it's important if a candidate subscribes to evolution or not, it's a scientific issue, not a political one. My requirement is that a candidate use scientists for scientific issues, economists for economic issues, etc. A preacher wouldn't care for me telling him how to interpret the bible, I would expect that a non-scientist president would return the favor likewise to a scientist.
But thank you for your thorough reply.
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This is the only appropriate answer for a silly "Raise your hand" quetion....
Thompson won't raise hand at debate. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0cVS1bsK7Q)
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Originally posted by Shaky
This is the only appropriate answer for a silly "Raise your hand" quetion....
Thompson won't raise hand at debate. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0cVS1bsK7Q)
I saw that the other day and noticed all the participants seemed to be in full agreement with him. Who the hell picked those questions anyhow? Hillary?
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You expect anything different from the Drive By Media?
And yes...the "other" candidates seemed in full agreement....AFTER Fred had the balls to basically tell the media ***** "I aint doing that silly thing".
Go Fred!
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e215/RileyNotOReilly/FREDNOVEMBER.jpg)
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I like Fred but it doesn't look like he has much chance in taking the nomination.
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Fred Thompson? The actor? Then who's going to be vice-president, Jerry Lewis? I suppose Jane Wyman will be first lady, and Jack Benny'll be the secretary of the treasury!
C'mon, you don't recognize the movie?
Thompson is polling well below Ron Paul right now, who y'all have agreed doesn't have a chance. This might change if he does something to increase his profile, but Huckabee seems to be the numerical favorite right now.
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Originally posted by SIG220
You know, you are using here the exact same type of rumor and innuendo spreading tactic that people are complaining about in politics these days. And even stooping so low as to engage in name-calling too. Do you really think that folks will not see through this tactic?
Which specific debate are you referring to? I am not aware of any Republican debate asking for a show of hands on this question, as you have described here in your message.
Why don't you try to debate the election on some real issues, like the economy, taxes, gun control, the war in Iraq, or immigration??
Jimmy Carter is just as much a devoutly religious Baptist as Huckabee is. And I don't recall his religious beliefs ever being attacked in the 1976 campaign, either by fellow Democrats during the primary, or by Republicans in the general election. In fact, I don't know of a single decision that Carter made as President that was influenced by his religious beliefs.
Do you?? If so, please name them.
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Thats a lot of typing there for someone who is completely wrong. I hope you realize this now and I accept your apology.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Fred Thompson? The actor? Then who's going to be vice-president, Jerry Lewis? I suppose Jane Wyman will be first lady, and Jack Benny'll be the secretary of the treasury!
C'mon, you don't recognize the movie?
Thompson is polling well below Ron Paul right now, who y'all have agreed doesn't have a chance. This might change if he does something to increase his profile, but Huckabee seems to be the numerical favorite right now.
I think Romney's going to win just over Huckabee when all is said and done. Ron Paul has as much chance as Fred.
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You may be right. We'll probably know in the next month or two, and there should be some illuminating debates and public discussions between now and then.
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McCain seems to be surging at just the right time. He may be the upset "kid" in the New Hampshire primary.
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Sig...ya twit...try reading my post a little closer. I never said Huckabee caused Tucker's Whitewater problems. Tucker was tried and convicted as a result of the Whitewater investigation. Because he had been found guilty he was expected to step down as governor of the state of Arkansas, and let the lieutenant governor, Huckabee, assume office for the remainder of his term.
Tucker was seriously considering remaining in office, in spite of his conviction, while he filed an appeal. Huckabee used the media and public opinion to force the man from office.
That display of backbone is one reason I voted for Huckabee for governor...twice. But I will not do so again....I've got my own reasons for withdrawing my support.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I like Fred but it doesn't look like he has much chance in taking the nomination.
Ya know...every time I mention Fred I get that response..."I like him but..."
Geez...if everyine who like him voted for him, he'd win in a lock! Hell, he's just not getting exposure in the mainstream media....wonder why not? Could it be because Hillary and Obama are scared of him?
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Originally posted by john9001
whitewater-clintons.
brain transplant-john9001
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back in the bad old days of politics the candidate was chosen at the party convention, not by new Hampshire or Iowa. This time it is so close it may go to the conventions.
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Neither what Iowa thinks nor what New Hampshire thinks matters squat--neither are representative of mainstream Gop, IMO
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Originally posted by john9001
back in the bad old days of politics the candidate was chosen at the party convention, not by new Hampshire or Iowa. This time it is so close it may go to the conventions.
Not a hope in hell john.
shamus
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Sig220, when you say it's underhanded, are you talking about Mr. Huckabee raising his hand? Or was it the impoliteness of the cameraman who recorded him stating that he doesn't believe in evolution? A note, I just used Google to find the clip when you mentioned you hadn't seen it, I figured you'd want the available facts.
Either way, I've already stated here that I don't think it's important if a candidate subscribes to evolution or not, it's a scientific issue, not a political one. My requirement is that a candidate use scientists for scientific issues, economists for economic issues, etc. A preacher wouldn't care for me telling him how to interpret the bible, I would expect that a non-scientist president would return the favor likewise to a scientist.
But thank you for your thorough reply.
Yes, it is very underhanded, for it tells a most incomplete story. You cannot address such a complex subject with a simple show of hands.
Judging from your elaboration here, I would say that you have nothing to fear about Huckabee. He sounds far more reasonable than any of the other candidates. I especially distrust both McCain and Romney, as they have made major flip-flops on far too many big issues.
But if you are Democrat, I'm sure that you would like to see one of them be the Republican candidate this year. That would just about insure a Democratic landslide.
Either way, it is all pretty academic. It would truly take a miracle for any Republican to win the Presidency next year, after the disaster the Bush Administration has visited upon our country.
He has done more to harm the Republican Party than the last 3 Democratic Presidents combined.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by AKIron
I saw that the other day and noticed all the participants seemed to be in full agreement with him. Who the hell picked those questions anyhow? Hillary?
Well, it is interesting that the same thing is not being asked of the Democratic Candidates in their debates. Both Edwards and Obama have gone to great lengths in their campaigns to talk about how they are men of deep religious faith.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Sig...ya twit...
First you call Huckabee names, and now me.
You know, all of my friends and I outgrew doing that sort of thing by the time we graduated from High School.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by Shaky
Ya know...every time I mention Fred I get that response..."I like him but..."
Geez...if everyine who like him voted for him, he'd win in a lock! Hell, he's just not getting exposure in the mainstream media....wonder why not? Could it be because Hillary and Obama are scared of him?
He is indeed a good man, but like McCain, he is simply too old to serve.
He would enter office at 66 1/2 years old if elected. The job of being President is really tough on a person's health.
We need a younger and more vigorous person to lead the country. Someone who is not eligible to collect Social Security.
SIG 220
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In your reply to my first post, Sig, you made two mistakes: First, you thought that the phrase "made him look like a rank amateur" was a cut at Huckabee. It wasn't. It was a compliment, because it meant that Huckabee made Jim Guy Tucker look like a rank amateur politician. Second, you compounded your error by failing to note a statement I made at the start of the post, namely that, as Bill Clinton had done in the case of Bush, I warned people not to underestimate Huckabee.
To make matters worse, you're the only person to read the original post who didn't seem to get it. That was evident from the tone of your response, which was dripping with self-righteousness and contempt. Then you were unable to admit your mistake, and trotted out the very old and very juvenile "I outgrew that type of response when I grew up" rejoinder. That alone indicates that you did not outgrow that type of response, because it was used to divert attention from the fact that you screwed up big time when you misinterpreted my original post.
You're a big boy, if you are going to call my motive into question, based on your own inability to interpret text, then you had better be able to take a barbed rejoinder. You're in the big leagues now, so don't dish it out if you can't take it.
To repeat, I did NOT insult Huckabee, I paid him a compliment. Yet, I will not vote for him for president. I bear the man a grudge. It's personal. I don't hate him, but I no longer trust him.