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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: humble on December 16, 2007, 07:52:17 PM
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I've flown here since Beta and cant ever recall a single day where I had two such distasteful events occur in a single day. Sadly both involved members of squads that I would consider to be highly respected here...
The 1st was personal involving me. Almost immediately after logging on I was repeatedly accused of being a spy, a shade etc by a member of a squad with whom I apparently now have a "dispute" do to a "disagreement" with a single member. I happen to hold most members of this squad in high regard and am very suprised that they would stoop to that level over a pretty trivial issue. I've been here along time and really dont appreciate being openly slandered on country channel.
I also think it reflects poorly on the squad in question and hope its a misquided barb by a single person and not an indicator of that squads conduct as a whole...
The second is more disturbing in that an individual spent most of the day flying around in a plane that was often burning, wingless etc. This wasnt a singular event but happened repeatedly. As per the BBS rules I will not be giving specifics (film is otw to skuzzy) however again its a member of a large well known squad known for "scoring". Conduct like this actually can call the integrity of the entire squad into question. If it was a glitch he should have been forced to relog...if something more then the CO should have booted him and disowned him on 200....
A pretty distasteful undertone to a great day flying with the 71st.
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A muppet made fun of you? Which one? I've personally been threatened with real physical violence outside the game on numerous occasions, although not by muppets. Were you seriously hurt by this devastating barrage of words, emotionally or physically, or are you just looking for more opportunities to extoll your virtues and annoy moot?
No real point in mentioning the second event, unless you're saying it was a muppet using that exploit too. Are you?
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I called you out thinking that you were Taser in shade, my apologies to you if it really offended you that much. I stopped accusing you after two players that I think very highly of and assured me that you would do nothing of the sort. Again my apologies for thinking it was you.
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Just ignore the idiots, and salute the good sports. Anything dubious can be sent via film to HTC.
I too have been here since Beta, but i've grown a pretty thick skin since then ;)
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Muppets are scum :)
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Originally posted by humble
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Humble, it could have been worst. He could have accused you of vulching a second account.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Husky01
I called you out thinking that you were Taser in shade, my apologies to you if it really offended you that much. I stopped accusing you after two players that I think very highly of and assured me that you would do nothing of the sort. Again my apologies for thinking it was you.
Thanks, I have no idea what triggered that whole thing but appreciate your stepping up to the plate
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
A muppet made fun of you? Which one? I've personally been threatened with real physical violence outside the game on numerous occasions, although not by muppets. Were you seriously hurt by this devastating barrage of words, emotionally or physically, or are you just looking for more opportunities to extoll your virtues and annoy moot?
No real point in mentioning the second event, unless you're saying it was a muppet using that exploit too. Are you?
Didnt know I had any virtues to extoll, but annoying moot is kind of fun and habit forming:D
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I always enjoy a happing ending. :aok
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Apologies and clearing up misunderstandings are all worthless unless followed up by these words.
Next round is on the house!
Drag us into the drama, we want our free beer, someone better pull out the Visa.
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<-Hands ROC a virtual free beer. :)
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Originally posted by Husky01
I called you out thinking that you were Taser in shade, my apologies to you if it really offended you that much. I stopped accusing you after two players that I think very highly of and assured me that you would do nothing of the sort. Again my apologies for thinking it was you.
Very mature there Bearkats, I respect that!
Lambo
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Originally posted by Bronk
Humble, it could have been worst. He could have accused you of vulching a second account.:rolleyes:
Now THIS is funny Bronk. Thanks!
:rofl
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I have no idea what transpired with Bear...but that seems to have been worked out amicably.
However, yesterday, JG11 recieved a call for help from the CH's and 71st, in an effort to stop the relentless Bish push in the north. We responded and joined in on the fight. I could not believe the crap that the dweebs of terror were up to. A Corsair, with NO wings, burning for what seemed like hours but actually was about 7 minutes on film, Flying perfectly, shooting people down and then landing kills....It was BS! Reapeatly this happened. This was no glitch...This Corair "Cigar" really lived up to the nickname, A flying tube, on fire...just a fuselage, and burning at that, flying like there was no damage at all, and immune to the final kill shot as well...I hope HT bans this guy for life...Sadly, I wasnt surprised by the squad affiliation. Very sad this kind of crap is...very sad.
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Originally posted by ROC
Apologies and clearing up misunderstandings are all worthless unless followed up by these words.
Next round is on the house!
Drag us into the drama, we want our free beer, someone better pull out the Visa.
Im sorry!
And next time we meet, I'll buy you a whole sixpack of beer. :cool: :p :p
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Originally posted by Stampf
I have no idea what transpired with Bear...but that seems to have been worked out amicably.
However, yesterday, JG11 recieved a call for help from the CH's and 71st, in an effort to stop the relentless Bish push in the north. We responded and joined in on the fight. I could not believe the crap that the dweebs of terror were up to. A Corsair, with NO wings, burning for what seemed like hours but actually was about 7 minutes on film, Flying perfectly, shooting people down and then landing kills....It was BS! Reapeatly this happened. This was no glitch...This Corair "Cigar" really lived up to the nickname, A flying tube, on fire...just a fuselage, and burning at that, flying like there was no damage at all, and immune to the final kill shot as well...I hope HT bans this guy for life...Sadly, I wasnt surprised by the squad affiliation. Very sad this kind of crap is...very sad.
Film is in to skuzzy already. No question that if Shawk has any concern over his squads reputation this guy needs to be booted. As you said hopefully the powers that be will take a good look at it.
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Originally posted by Stampf
I have no idea what transpired with Bear...but that seems to have been worked out amicably.
However, yesterday, JG11 recieved a call for help from the CH's and 71st, in an effort to stop the relentless Bish push in the north. We responded and joined in on the fight. I could not believe the crap that the dweebs of terror were up to. A Corsair, with NO wings, burning for what seemed like hours but actually was about 7 minutes on film, Flying perfectly, shooting people down and then landing kills....It was BS! Reapeatly this happened. This was no glitch...This Corair "Cigar" really lived up to the nickname, A flying tube, on fire...just a fuselage, and burning at that, flying like there was no damage at all, and immune to the final kill shot as well...I hope HT bans this guy for life...Sadly, I wasnt surprised by the squad affiliation. Very sad this kind of crap is...very sad.
State a name, not a squad. The actions of one does not mean the whole squad is that way. And it is a Glitch, NOT a cheat as you are trying to state. I have seen this happen in the past with others. Also remember cheating allegations are not allowed on the BBS per the forum rules as I recall.
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is that the guys all they do is fly uber dweeb C-hog landing mass kills?
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1st,
If it was a glitch then it happened repeatedly over hours with the same guy. It was not a singular event.
2nd,
It was brought up repeatedly over 200 and obviously the player in question knew it. Speaking for the 71st any of our members would have immediately relogged and apologized for unintentionally taking advantage of an obvious "glitch". This player continued to engage in an obviously indestructable plane repeatedly over multiple sorties.
I dont know if it was a "glitch" or not, but if its repeatable over time then it goes from a singular event to an exploitable repeatable event which brings us the the magical "C" word.
Unless you have more specific information I dont think your any more qualified then I am to comment on if it was/is a "G" or a "C". Regardless of either the fact that the individual in question exploited the "bug" repeatedly over an extended period of time would seem to be a violation of the spirit of the game if not the actual TOS.
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Not saying what he did was right or wrong ethically. (exploting a glitch maybe, Cheat No) Just stating that because 1 person in a squad does something. Does not mean everyone in that squad does it or agrees with it. I wasn't there and have only flown about 2 hours the past 3 months so I can't say whether any of the squad brought this up to him or not. Bottom line; It shouldn't have even been brought up on the BBS per the forum rules. It should have just been sent to HT to take action as he deems neccessary.
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A glitch happens once.
A purposeful exploit happens every sortie, every time, for multiple days in a row (as in this case). 2-3 days in a row people have seen this player do this, and without fail it's always the same guy, sortie after sortie. To me that is more than "a glitch"...
P.S. It WAS sent to HTC. However, HTC is silent in their actions. They won't discuss it.
The issue that Humble brought up is another issue. Not one of "I reported you!" but "Shame on your squad, for tolerating/condoning your actions"
It's more an issue of social responsibility for a "top ranked" squad. If they wish to remain in good repute, they must police their own, and when they see such disreputable behavior over and over (repeatedly) with one of their top-10 ranked pilots (one might say, one of the pilots responsible for their squadron status as a whole?) then perhaps they need to deal with said pilot.
The country that wins every olympic gold medal for 100 years running loses any credibility if the people winning those medals have been using every steroid known to man during this time frame. Same here. Several "No wonder they're ranked so high, if they pull this crap" comments were heard on Sunday, and if they wish to flush their own rep down the tubes, so be it. Most folks care a little bit about rep if they spend 90% of their time trying to get such a "high ranking score".
It's a valid issue.
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Originally posted by Stampf
I have no idea what transpired with Bear...but that seems to have been worked out amicably.
However, yesterday, JG11 recieved a call for help from the CH's and 71st, in an effort to stop the relentless Bish push in the north. We responded and joined in on the fight. I could not believe the crap that the dweebs of terror were up to. A Corsair, with NO wings, burning for what seemed like hours but actually was about 7 minutes on film, Flying perfectly, shooting people down and then landing kills....It was BS! Reapeatly this happened. This was no glitch...This Corair "Cigar" really lived up to the nickname, A flying tube, on fire...just a fuselage, and burning at that, flying like there was no damage at all, and immune to the final kill shot as well...I hope HT bans this guy for life...Sadly, I wasnt surprised by the squad affiliation. Very sad this kind of crap is...very sad.
Stampf knowing SHawk like i do and having to talk with him about one of his squadies before, if you just go straight to him and talk with him SHawk will normally deal with it how ever he sees fit. now dont get me wrong you go to him with no proof then he going to laugh at you, but show him proof and he will deal with it. he has always delt with issues i have had with very few of his squadies.
blasting it on public forums will get you no where. :aok
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Not saying what he did was right or wrong ethically. (exploting a glitch maybe, Cheat No) Just stating that because 1 person in a squad does something. Does not mean everyone in that squad does it or agrees with it. I wasn't there and have only flown about 2 hours the past 3 months so I can't say whether any of the squad brought this up to him or not. Bottom line; It shouldn't have even been brought up on the BBS per the forum rules. It should have just been sent to HT to take action as he deems neccessary.
So you gave up playing in favor of being the BBS police? How admirable! to you!
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Originally posted by kilz
Stampf knowing SHawk like i do and having to talk with him about one of his squadies before, if you just go straight to him and talk with him SHawk will normally deal with it how ever he sees fit. now dont get me wrong you go to him with no proof then he going to laugh at you, but show him proof and he will deal with it. he has always delt with issues i have had with very few of his squadies.
blasting it on public forums will get you no where. :aok
Now thats a "reasonable" reply. I didnt bring it here, was only backing up Snap. Film is in the mail. No one here used the "C" word, player handle or Squad name. You ony needed to see the 200 talk to know, this was NO Glitch, or at least...was a bad exploit if it was one.
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Wow, I go back to add a "P.S." to my previous post (no delay between post and edit) and find 3 more replies by the time I'm done!
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Originally posted by Stampf
Now thats a "reasonable" reply. I didnt bring it here, was only backing up Snap. Film is in the mail. No one here used the "C" word, player handle or Squad name. You ony needed to see the 200 talk to know, this was NO Glitch, or at least...was a bad exploit if it was one.
Just cause I haven't played doesn't mean I can't post on the BBS.
You need to re-read your own post. You did state a squad name and implied an individual on that squad did cheat by stating it was no glitch. That is the same as stating he cheated.
I am on your side that exploiting a glitch is wrong. I came on here and stated to name a name not a squad. Don't make it out like a whole squad approves of certain actions. Hopfully you can grasp when I am saying.
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I've got nothing but respect for Shawk, I have never seen him behave in an underhanded manner. No different then I have never previously had even a single cross word with BearKats that I recall. Both incidents left a bad taste with me.
The 1st in that I tried to engage Bearkats in a discussion to try and figure out what was going on and got very harshly (and uncharacteristically) slammed down. Again I appreciate his comments and it reconfirms my prior thoughts on both him and the squad he's with. We all have our moments...
As for the second issue this has been ongoing over not just multiple sorties but multiple sessions and apparently multiple days. At heart is the reality that we all take the damage model as a whimsical arbitrary thing. I've lost numerous fights were I landed a good (but obviously non fatal blow) and I've won more then a few where the other guy lit me up good and my ride kept on keeping on. Underneath it all we accept the "breaks of the game" (or rub of the green) to use the golf anology. So it raises the question of how often is this happening with this individual with less obvious damage. Does his plane fly "normal" without a control surface?
How many times did he absorb damage less flagrent and keep on trucking?
So yes to me this is a much bigger issue then the 1st was...
And again Bearkats you have my appreciation and respected for addressing that with me...
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Just cause I haven't played doesn't mean I can't post on the BBS.
You need to re-read your own post. You did state a squad name and implied an individual on that squad did cheat by stating it was no glitch. That is the same as stating he cheated.
I am on your side that exploiting a glitch is wrong. I came on here and stated to name a name not a squad. Don't make it out like a whole squad approves of certain actions. Hopfully you can grasp when I am saying.
How do you know that it was in fact a "glitch"?
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If said person is ranked #1 (hypothetically) and has a kill/death ratio in the CHog of 385-35, but has a 462-146 in the DHog, and has been using this exploit, it could skew the results.
CHog kills/deaths 11
DHog kills/deaths 3
Big difference, no? One can see how using such an exploit can rocket somebody up into the single digit ranks, where their "normal" kills/deaths would otherwise preclude them from going.
Where normally they might be ranked in the 50s, they suddenly are #1 (again, hypothetically)
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I stated my opinion on this matter, so I will not continue after this. Apparently your not getting what I am trying to say. That's one problem with text, you can't always get everyone to read it like you intend it be understood. I was trying to get across which I stated, was don't condemn a whole squad for the actions of 1. and don't make it out like a person is cheating on the BBS.
Like I stated before, I am in agreement that what conspired was wrong, whether it was a glitch or not. But the BBS is not the medium for this. E-mail to HT is the only thing that should have happened.
And as far as krustys new post about rank...I personnally could care less about rank. That has no bearing on the subject in this thread
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Just give us the name. Until HTC starts banning these guys, we might as well enjoy a nice witchhunt. ;)
I'll vouch for Hondo and Shawk both being stand up guys, and also point out anything that gives a player an unfair advantage that improves their stats screws Shawk over as much or more than anyone else. I think he'd take issue with anyone cheating, just as he did with the multiple accounts guys who vulched themselves or an accomplice for ranking purposes. He may be a scorepotato, but he's always played by the rules in my experience.
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Ill tell you one thing, ever since they did the server swap recently, the game has behaved somehwat erratic at times.....
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Fair enough Hondo, but the issue isn't reporting the exploit. That's been handled. The issue is whether or not the respected squad the member belongs to wishes to take actions or wishes to lose their respectability. It's more along the lines of social discussion.
Perhaps it's a little out of hand, but frankly it's a social issue and this (the forum system) is one of the major social backbones of AH. I only persisted because I didn't think you saw the difference in the topics at hand. I will also let it drop, as it seems to be going nowhere right now.
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I concur with that portion.
buddy
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Ok If its a logon Glitch then it happens for the entire time that person is Logged on. In this case that seems to be what happened. There has been many glitches in the game the last 4 yrs ive been here. I remember when HTC created AcesHigh 2 that you could sit on a hill in a tank take supps and end up inside the hill. You could see out but no one could see you or hit you at that matter. Many did this for some time then one day HTC did a patch and whalla problem gone. Whats the big Deal? Why dont you all play this for what it is.....A GAME...Wonder how many of you out there have downloaded or typed a cheat on a game you have at home...Learn to Deal with it....HTC will fix the problem A.S.A.P. Im sure. I call it gaming the game.
Kamori
Also, your all lucky it wasnt me... I would have landed a Goon on your runway w/ ak full up and taunted the heck out of you all...This would have been halarious to do. Oh heres one, how bout landing a 262 on an enmy CV....LOLROF Well about his score...Any doubts Take him to the DA youll all have something to learn Im sure...
See Ya in the GAME
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In a way, the current scoring system encourages these problems. This is a competitive game, and people want to be recognized as "good" at it. For some, winning a fight here and there isn't enough, they want a measurement showing them and everyone else how "good" they are. A scoring system is a legitimate way to show that, as long as it's an accurate representation of what it's supposed to be measuring.
Currently, it's way too easy for people to pad their scores in less-than-legitimate ways. Vulching second accounts, driving jeeps inside Tigers, scoring what would normally be seen as "fighter" sorties as "attack" in order to not have deaths show up as fighter deaths (an LA-7 defending a field but scored as an "attack" for example), etc, etc, etc... Sure, no rules are technically violated, but does that mean it's a "clean" way to build a rank? We're essentially left to our own honor systems when it comes to earning a legitimate rank. There sure doesn't seem to be anyone keeping an eye on the scores, and how people go about "earning" them. That leaves lots of room for people to pad scores. Even if they aren't doing the "Big C" so to speak, they're still taking advantage of weaknesses in the system. Even if those people are caught, the damage to "rank credibility" has already been done. Handling these issues in private may appear to make good business sense, but if the masses don't see a cause/effect relationship showing that bad behavior gets punished, then no punishment appears to be handed out, which in turn encourages bad behavior from others...
Does this lend itself to a credible scoring system? Hardly. Either there aren't enough rules, or the rules in place aren't enforced. It's so easy for people to build a rank that those with rank are seen as having used illegitimate means to achieve it. Rank means nothing- because rank means nothing... Can someone using "legitimate" means to earn a rank consistently compete against those that don't? If not, the system has problems.
Imagine a professional football game where there were no refs. What a mess that would be. Of course, the game could be filmed and later shown to a ref- but that would be too late. Even if a penalty was called, it wouldn't affect the final score. And what percent of the fouls would be seen anyway? How popular and legitimate would football records be in a situation like this?
Sending a film in will take care of a blatant cheater, as it should- but it only if someone happens to film it and suspect it for what it is...
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Its Not a Cheat Its a Bug........Professional Game...LOL LOL
Kamori:lol :lol :lol :D
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Bparker has around 120 kills for 6 deaths in fighters this tour and a kills/hour rating of 15.
hmm, what are you guys talking about? i was just quoting random players and their scores.
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So whats your point?
:rolleyes:
Kamori
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Originally posted by mtnman
In a way, the current scoring system encourages these problems. This is a competitive game, and people want to be recognized as "good" at it.
Yes, but do they get the desired result? In my experience 99% of all players do not care for my rank # at all. And with the few comments I ever got on my rank #'s, the derogatory ones outnumbered congratulations by at least 10-1.
The people you can impress with a fancy rank are usually not playing this game for more than a few weeks ;)
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lol...fink.
Never had an issue with SHawk. Shot him down a few times, he's shot me down a few times. Never Ho'd eachother, and each fight has ended with a . No issues with the WoT either, in fact, my son and Dextur are good buddies, and fly together or fight eachother all the time.
I think what Krusty brought up is most relevent to most people in the game though. Shawk, doesnt need to cheat, or exploit to get his picture on the wall. He's got the time, knowledge, and skill to get it there. Great...more power to him.
BUT, when a member of his #1 ranked squad engages in this type of stuff...well, it's only natural for the outrage to be larger than normal. Those in the spotlight draw the most gazes. I'm sure the Hawkman will handle it.
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Just cause I haven't played doesn't mean I can't post on the BBS.
You need to re-read your own post. You did state a squad name and implied an individual on that squad did cheat by stating it was no glitch. That is the same as stating he cheated.
I am on your side that exploiting a glitch is wrong. I came on here and stated to name a name not a squad. Don't make it out like a whole squad approves of certain actions. Hopfully you can grasp when I am saying.
First point, Nobody has made any claims that just because you don't play, doesn't mean that you do not have the right to post.
Second point, I don't recall any "exact" squad names, or in-game ID's were used. Just partial ones.
Third point, I don't recall any using the word cheat or any of its conjugations or forms. The actual word used was "BS" and that it was "no glitch" Nowhere was cheating even implied. For all we know, the pilot of said machine didn't even know what the problem was.
As far as CO's go......
Even though this is not "real life" everything a squad member does, reflects on the squad as a whole. Just as in a real life unit, or one who is a business owner (such as myself), EVERYTHING is the "boss's" fault. That is just the way of the world. If a squaddie behaves with conduct unbecoming, it's the CO's fault, whether he knows about it yet or not. If one of my employees drops the ball at a wedding or mitzvah, its MY fault, whether I was there or not. With my experience in the service, if a platoon member is accused of misconduct, the platoon leader is the one who is chewed out. Chain of command, plain and simple.
I would think that Stampf would be the last person to "gossip" or accuse anyone without going through the chain of command and proper channels. His squad is run in such a manner, he accepts nothing less from his subordinates, and he leads by example.
However, if we are quoting rules (not that I am trying to break the following)....
6- Members are asked to not act as "back seat moderators". Issues with any breach of rules should be brought to HTC's attention via email at support@hitechcreations.com.
I'm sure that you already knew that, though, since you are so well versed in the forum rules and code of behavior.
Auf Wiedersehen, and good day to you sir!
:aok
PS:
In the meantime, I will patiently wait for the sage input of the Skipper of the squad in question.
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LOL....I haven't the time to re-explain this to you again since you didn't read every post throughly it seems.
Take care
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The actual word used was "BS" and that it was "no glitch" Nowhere was cheating even implied.
"No Glitch" does not imply cheating? Really, Please explain to thoses of us not versed in the BBS rules.....:)
Kamori
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i sent Shawk a PM from the arena, warning him that his buddy was turning a few heads and warming up a few emails.
a squady of mine thought it was amusing to rename them
~Cockpits of Terror~
or
~Wingless of terror~
made me laugh anyhow.
at the end of the day though, Shawk is a good man, he is smart and capable and honourable. I'm sure he wnt mind this humour directed at him because he is secure with himself and his squad. so the issue is not even about scores or squad rankings. We know the WoT, and most of us respect them as people who make the game fun.
something like this can do no long term 'damage' to WoT because the friendships we have with her members remain intact and do not rely on scores or even this game at all.
S!
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Originally posted by Lusche
Yes, but do they get the desired result? In my experience 99% of all players do not care for my rank # at all. And with the few comments I ever got on my rank #'s, the derogatory ones outnumbered congratulations by at least 10-1.
The people you can impress with a fancy rank are usually not playing this game for more than a few weeks ;)
Did you receive those derogatory remarks because you deserved them, or because it was percieved that since you had a good ranking# you must have exploited the system?
The reason nobody is impressed with rank is because it's meaningless. It's meaningless because it's exploited.
IMO, the ones exploiting the system, whether it's for rank or simply for a few kills, are damaging the credibility of the game, as a game. That has an affect on us all, whether we care about our individual rank or not. Games have rules, and are supposed to be level playing grounds. The players who can't conduct themselves responsibly ruin it for others. In order for a game to continue to be entertaining, those that disrupt it need to be corrected or removed.
MtnMan
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
something like this can do no long term 'damage' to WoT because the friendships we have with her members remain intact
Even negating score itself, this CAN do long term damage to those that don't personally have friends in the squadron. I know you've got a lot of friends in this game Bat. You're a lovable guy! But many of us don't know them personally like you do, and such recurring incidents like this make me (and I can only vouch for myself) look upon the whole squad with... how shall I put it? Lack of respect I guess.
EDIT: That in itself might be temporary, who knows how quickly this will die down, but it's food for thought.
P.S. I can make chicken soup in a frying pan!! Just turn the heat down and be careful not to splash over the lip!
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
something like this can do no long term 'damage' to WoT because the friendships we have with her members remain intact and do not rely on scores or even this game at all.
at least quote the whole sentance krusty, the bit you left out is the most imporant bit, underlined for you now.
PS: i bet you soup tastes like old shoes :mad:
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Sorry if you think I cut out the important bit, I felt for the sake of brevity, one might understand by saying "the friendship remains intact" -- didn't mean to twist your words.
P.S. You're just heating it up. You can boil water in a thimble, if you do it right. Pour chicken into frying pan, heat, serve! :D The low heat keeps it from burning off, but it takes longer to cook. Yes, I know. It's sad that I know this.
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ok ok, i meant a skillet not a frying pan (much shallower) :D
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Originally posted by mtnman
Did you receive those derogatory remarks because you deserved them, or because it was percieved that since you had a good ranking# you must have exploited the system?
Mostly just because I had a low rank #. A lot of assumptions about me, my game style, my "skill" and my sexual orientation were made exlusively based on my rank. :D
Originally posted by mtnman
The reason nobody is impressed with rank is because it's meaningless. It's meaningless because it's exploited.
One problem is: There is no community-wide agreement upon what an exploit is, and what not.
And rank wouldn't be that much more meaningful if not exploited - it depends on too many variable like style of play. You exclusively fly ENY 40 planes for the sole fun of doing it? You rankmay suffer. You don't drive GV's because you find it boring? You rank will suffer enormously.
And is flying only 262's, Tempests & La's an exploit? Or always getting altitude before getting into a fight?
My main point is: While not agreeing on subtle details, most players do know about the somwhat low overall significance of rank. You can only impress the wrong people with it ;)
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Originally posted by Lusche
Mostly just because I had a low rank #. A lot of assumptions about me, my game style, my "skill" and my sexual orientation were made exlusively based on my rank. :D
I think it's quite the opposite, Lusche. Before the first contest, before the really visible shenanigans like vulching second accounts, milkrunning the empty arenas, etc, I don't recall anyone making snide remarks about scores and low ranked players. Only since there've been numerous people exposed for various things related to rank, has there been such contempt for rank and low ranked players.
I think it's perfectly natural to want a system in place that lets you see how you compare to other players, and a system that is so skewed by players who spend hundreds of hours a month padding their stats can not do that.
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Originally posted by kamori
Ok If its a logon Glitch then it happens for the entire time that person is Logged on. In this case that seems to be what happened. There has been many glitches in the game the last 4 yrs ive been here. I remember when HTC created AcesHigh 2 that you could sit on a hill in a tank take supps and end up inside the hill. You could see out but no one could see you or hit you at that matter. Many did this for some time then one day HTC did a patch and whalla problem gone. Whats the big Deal? Why dont you all play this for what it is.....A GAME...Wonder how many of you out there have downloaded or typed a cheat on a game you have at home...Learn to Deal with it....HTC will fix the problem A.S.A.P. Im sure. I call it gaming the game.
Kamori
Also, your all lucky it wasnt me... I would have landed a Goon on your runway w/ ak full up and taunted the heck out of you all...This would have been halarious to do. Oh heres one, how bout landing a 262 on an enmy CV....LOLROF Well about his score...Any doubts Take him to the DA youll all have something to learn Im sure...
See Ya in the GAME
You've nicely summed up everything wrong with the way a segment of the population plays the game. As for said persons "skill level":rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I think it's quite the opposite, Lusche. Before the first contest, before the really visible shenanigans like vulching second accounts, milkrunning the empty arenas, etc, I don't recall anyone making snide remarks about scores and low ranked players. Only since there've been numerous people exposed for various things related to rank, has there been such contempt for rank and low ranked players.
I think it's perfectly natural to want a system in place that lets you see how you compare to other players, and a system that is so skewed by players who spend hundreds of hours a month padding their stats can not do that.
You hit the nail on the head Hub!
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If I may contribute?
The longer I play this game the less and less I think there is anyone who takes it so seriously to actually go out and spy. If there is they must be very few. I mean who would really bother?
I know there are squads who take their ranking very seriously but if someone calls a guy out as a spy you'd better have serious proof and even then its a matter for AH staff to deal with and it shouldnt be posted in forum or open comms.
Secondly I dont think rank means anything. Ive poked fun at guys who are ranked at the top with the way they fly bombers, take GVs out, and basically manipulate the game to get a higher rank. At the same time I'll bet any of the top 50 guys are pretty darn good fliers. A lot of them I personally know are. But really rank is kinda meaningless cause there are somelow ranked guys who have handed me my hat. You cant take anyone for granted because anyone can be behind the wheel of that red airplane coming at you.
I was in a squad with terrific guys and left it. Ive been offered to C/O a bomber squad and have been asked to join at least a dozen more. Right now squad life, and worrying about rank, doesnt fit me cause more then anything I want to learn the game. And learn it my way.
I wouldnt call anyone a spy in comms or in this forum. Im not the type that would contact AH either. But its AHs call to regulate the game not ours! I dont like the ranking system either but again its AHs call.
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Originally posted by kamori
"No Glitch" does not imply cheating? Really, Please explain to thoses of us not versed in the BBS rules.....:)
Kamori
A glitch is not necessarily a recurring event. It could be a corrupt line of code that is effecting a recurring anomaly. Perhaps a bug may be a more appropriate term.
Anyone who knows Stampf should know that it is not his nature to make blind accusations from a blind emotional viewpoint. I would go so far to say that most of the time his public opinions are limited to relevant issues. He is usually more concerned with managing his Gruppe in an honorable and effecient manner.
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Thanks Von,...but let it go man,...this one's long dead. No offence was taken on this end by anything posted in this thread,...but Rich...you did make me go:huh
My first post was rather strongly worded, as I was there with snaphook and the rest of the 71st. When you arrive at a fight, you usually don't give that wingless, burning aircraft a second thought, but when said aircraft then pulls angle and starts firing at you...Damn man, that's an eyeopener. The proceeding to fly, fight, land and repeat, is what brought this thread to life, in snaphook's perspective I am sure.
I blew the wings off his plane, and he kept right on fighting...I think everyone just hopes to see less of this kind of thing, not more.
Like I said earlier, I am sure this has been handled.
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My thoughts on this kind of thing are known, so I will add only this.
If you have film of these incidents, please send them in to HTC. We have no ability to deal with these types of issues, other than helping HTC sort it out. As Skuzzy said, more film is always helpful.
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I lit him up on a pure T shot with a mossie...turned him into a burning cigar in an instant, went on "directing traffic" while watching him spiral up to me. Turned on the film and gave him the kill so I could get it on film (http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/BPARKER.ahf)...no question the plane was manuevering and climbing. What really suprised me is he then "landed" a multi kill sortie within a minute or so. No way I could even get a hog on the ground that fast from even 5k (we were higher).
What saddens me even more is that you actually have other squad members defending his actions
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Dont blame the person that happens to get the "Glich" or bug whatever.It's been going on for a while now.And i know of people that did not relog to get rid of it.
If you woudl think about it,it's HTC's problem to fix and it seems to be a problem with you that had to start this.Im sure skuzzy could look back and see who it is.
I see nothing wrong with it.Hell if i happened to have no name show up and i could not die i would just sit on a base and kill people.
Get over it,HTC will take care of it.
my 2c's
PS:
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
Cry a River :aok.
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Hardly unique.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=220812
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
Dont blame the person that happens to get the "Glich" or bug whatever.It's been going on for a while now.And i know of people that did not relog to get rid of it.
If you woudl think about it,it's HTC's problem to fix and it seems to be a problem with you that had to start this.Im sure skuzzy could look back and see who it is.
I see nothing wrong with it.Hell if i happened to have no name show up and i could not die i would just sit on a base and kill people.
Get over it,HTC will take care of it.
my 2c's
PS:
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
Cry a River :aok.
Basically we seem to have the young immature "quake" types with little real self esteem or true value system all for gaming the game. All I can say is I wont ever question Redtops judgement again, booting you from the 71st was a much better choice then ever letting you in...