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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: prof1crl on December 18, 2007, 01:37:39 PM
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hi. i love that plane i and i am asking what is the best way to fight with and what is this plane best at targeting(buildings, ships, vehicles or airplanes) thx
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I guess the real question is what do you love so much about it?
Not being a smarprettythang or anything, but I'm curious.
So many other planes out there....why do you love the LA-7 so much?
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Flying the La-7: A Beginner's Guide
Method A
1. Take off
2. Climb to about 15k
3. Approach target area
4. Enter dive into furball 10k below you. Do not reduce throttle
5. Auger into the ground.
Repeat steps 1-5
Method B
1. Take off
2. Climb to average altitude
3. Approach target area at roughly equal altitude, or a slight advantage.
4. HO first target
5. Extend one sector, then reverse
6. HO next target
7. Extend one sector, then reverse
8. HO next target
9. Extend one sector, then reverse
10. HO next target
11. If at any point an enemy reverses and is on your tail, proceed to drag them. Immediately after your opponent pulls off, reverse for a shot at their back. Repeat as needed until you get a HO, or your opponent runs of of gas due to his inability to run you down, or successfully disengage because of your speed.
12. If pursued by multiple enemies, run to the nearest friendly Horde, pack of Ostwinds, or field ack
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Originally posted by Saxman
Flying the La-7: A Beginner's Guide
Method A
1. Take off
2. Climb to about 15k
3. Approach target area
4. Enter dive into furball 10k below you. Do not reduce throttle
5. Auger into the ground.
Repeat steps 1-5
Method B
1. Take off
2. Climb to average altitude
3. Approach target area at roughly equal altitude, or a slight advantage.
4. HO first target
5. Extend one sector, then reverse
6. HO next target
7. Extend one sector, then reverse
8. HO next target
9. Extend one sector, then reverse
10. HO next target
11. If at any point an enemy reverses and is on your tail, proceed to drag them. Immediately after your opponent pulls off, reverse for a shot at their back. Repeat as needed until you get a HO, or your opponent runs of of gas due to his inability to run you down, or successfully disengage because of your speed.
12. If pursued by multiple enemies, run to the nearest friendly Horde, pack of Ostwinds, or field ack
:rofl
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Take the two gun package and fight it however you like, it can do anything :)
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It is a nice ac ............. what it does best is give you choices...................but it does not do everything.
It gets a bad rep here because its good at the worst of things as well as the best of things.
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Originally posted by Tilt
It gets a bad rep here because its good at the worst of things as well as the best of things.
Sounds like a Tale of Two Dweebs;
"I flew the La7... It was the best of times, it was the worst of times..."
"I stop flying the La7... It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done... "
Charles Dickens 1859.
Just joking, sorry, couldn't help notice the similarity in your text to Dickens :)
To answer the question though, the La7 is first class. It is fast enough to allow you to pick your fights and stay out of trouble and for those who actually try to turn in it, it turns much better than you might expect. The only downside is that the aircraft's qualities make it the plane players love to hate, so when you fly into a furball the La7 will always attract a lot of attention.
Badboy
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Originally posted by Saxman
Flying the La-7: A Beginner's Guide
Method A
1. Take off
2. Climb to about 15k
3. Approach target area
4. Enter dive into furball 10k below you. Do not reduce throttle
5. Auger into the ground.
Repeat steps 1-5
Method B
1. Take off
2. Climb to average altitude
3. Approach target area at roughly equal altitude, or a slight advantage.
4. HO first target
5. Extend one sector, then reverse
6. HO next target
7. Extend one sector, then reverse
8. HO next target
9. Extend one sector, then reverse
10. HO next target
11. If at any point an enemy reverses and is on your tail, proceed to drag them. Immediately after your opponent pulls off, reverse for a shot at their back. Repeat as needed until you get a HO, or your opponent runs of of gas due to his inability to run you down, or successfully disengage because of your speed.
12. If pursued by multiple enemies, run to the nearest friendly Horde, pack of Ostwinds, or field ack
Well said:rofl :cry :rofl
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all valid tactics saxman, thank you for clearing up debate on the proper usage of a superior plane.:aok
you guys kill me, what do you want the La to do? GIVE you the kill?
lol look this argument has surfaced everytiime in relation to this plane let me break it down for you, so you can at-least have the oppertunity to understand..
#1 fly your plane to its strengths
#2 kill the nme
simple, get off it guys, I hate La's to, but you aint gonna hear me whine about it, ho'rs suck, and they usualy dont land kills anyway, so learn to avoid it.
thats all ive got:aok
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actually the la7 is an amazing plane, i love it. it gets a bad rep because most guys that fly it are greener than a greenpeace global warming conference.
i'll gladly take you on in it anyday vs you -4 saxman :)
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mamy lala drives get mad when i take out my tempest because they cant run :lol
sax that 1st one is the one the guy should use also not many guys can aim i hoe the hoeer i have hoed like 40 with an fm2:)
this is what that la driver was doing afterword:cry
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Can I give the guy a sincere answer? Is that allowed?:p
I think the La-7 is not at its best as a furballer. It's out turned by the Spitfires, and since they are so numerous, that's a problem (for that matter, even the spit isn't flown best as a furballer). The best thing about the La-7 (besides the cannons) is its acceleration and top speed at low altitude. It also climbs great up to 10k. For these reasons, you should spend a lot of time diving on lower targets, zooming away, and then using instantaneous turn (as opposed to sustained turn) to finish off your targets. If you get into trouble, you merely have to put the nose down, hit WEP, and accelerate away. You can outrun any non-perked aircraft below 5k ft, including the P-51D, 190D and 109K.
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Acceleration and top speed, and it rolls decently as well.
Ballistics are so-so, lethality is however good.
A 109 makes a fun fight with a Lala....and a La-5 vs La-7 as well...
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Learn throttle control and you can surprise many for a few turns. Most just assume they will not be in a turn fight with an LA so they hesitate a bit before realizing "This crazy LA is actually slowing down and turning with me!"
The fact that noobs actually make it home more often in LAs makes them popular with new guys. I rarely fly one unless I want to run down a specific enemy in a fast bird (usually backfires for me) or a last ditch base defense to get to town and kill an M3/goon or troops.
As far as targets, it's good at killing whatever plane is below it, deacking, goon hunting when the skys are red, and ....yes...hoing, if thats your thing.
What it's not good at is helping you learn the art of relying on your situational awareness & E management to get out of sticky situations. The "point down and run" defense.
What I like about fighting LAs is that if I meet one alone and co E, I have to win because I can't run away. I fly medium speed birds and it's fun to know there's no free pass home.
The LA boosts the fun for many so I have no problem with it. I like seeing them and fighting them.
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Originally posted by Furball
Take the two gun package and fight it however you like, it can do anything :)
Why the two-gun package?
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You don't burn through ammo so fast with two guns.
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Call me crazy, but I'd rather come up against a LA-7 rather than a spit, but maybe thats just because I've seen soooo many spits lately...
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Originally posted by Blooz
You don't burn through ammo so fast with two guns.
But neither are you doing as much damage. Snap shots are important for the La-7. The three-gun package is even lighter than the older two-gun.
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Originally posted by DoNKeY
Call me crazy, but I'd rather come up against a LA-7 rather than a spit, but maybe thats just because I've seen soooo many spits lately...
Ditto. Not because Ive seen so many Spits... but I consider the La7 an easier target all-around. Especially since many of the planes I fly can turn inside an La7, but I can only outturn Spixteens and Spit 9's in my 109F...
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Motherland, what planes do you fly that can out turn the La?
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A-hog, D-hog, 1-hog can out turn them if you know what you are doing.
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I know there are planes that out turn the La. I asked Motherland what planes he flies.
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Seems pretty clear that he likes the 109F-4.
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If I see an La7(s) in a furball.. all things being equal among my victims:
You die first, get it? Your friends might get me in a rush but not before I turn your head into a canoe.
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Originally posted by Viking
Motherland, what planes do you fly that can out turn the La?
Most of the time I get into a turnfight with an La its either a 109F or a 109G2. The 109G2 has a slightly larger turn radius than the La7 but this is not normally a problem as La pilots usually suck.
Edit: BTW, its pretty fun taking on Spit 9's in the Freidrich, since it actually turns inside the Spit 9 (w/o flaps), and on the deck the Freidrich is actually faster on WEP.
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Originally posted by Motherland
Most of the time I get into a turnfight with an La its either a 109F or a 109G2. The 109G2 has a slightly larger turn radius than the La7 but this is not normally a problem as La pilots usually suck.
Edit: BTW, its pretty fun taking on Spit 9's in the Freidrich, since it actually turns inside the Spit 9 (w/o flaps), and on the deck the Freidrich is actually faster on WEP.
About a month after the 109s were re-introduced, I flew a series of about 15 duels with Timppa (he was using his shade account). I flew the 109F, he tried just about everything else. La-7? It lost. Spit9? Ditto. The 109F won every fight, taking only minor hits on a quick reverse with an FM-2. It eventually ran the Wildcat out of E and pounded it. Every fighter he tried was unable to beat the 109F starting with a Co-E merge.
In a similar case, I dueled 2bighorn (under one of his numerous shades), him flying an La-7, I had a 109G-2. This was a long, long fight. The 109G-2 prevailed, but only by refusing to turn right except in a few instances. In a left-hand turn, the 109G-2 out-turns La-7. In right-hand turns, the La-7 is slightly better. At low speeds with flaps out, 109s simply refuse to roll to the right. So, I avoided that trap. Indeed, I found it much faster to roll 270 degrees left, rather than 90 degrees right. So, when I did turn right, I rolled left to do it. Sounds odd, but it was effective.
We also dueled La-7 vs Spit14. Again, this was a very even fight. That is, until the Spitfire ran out of WEP. At that point, the La-7 gained the edge and the Spit was in trouble.
On another occasion, we dueled 109F vs Niki. Another close fight, but the Niki was slightly superior.
In a duel with DMONSLYR's F4U, the 109F completely dominated the Corsair. It did so because it's simply better in the vertical. Once the F4U has its flaps out, the 109F just takes the fight up, using spiral climbs, where it hovers over the F4U, never allowing it to extend and build speed. DMONSLYR did as well as anyone else could have. The 109F just excels at this type of fight.
Over all, the 109F is one of the best dogfighters in the plane set, and the 109G-2 isn't very far behind.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Saxman
Flying the La-7: A Beginner's Guide
Method A
1. Take off
2. Climb to about 15k
3. Approach target area
4. Enter dive into furball 10k below you. Do not reduce throttle
5. Auger into the ground.
Repeat steps 1-5
Method B
1. Take off
2. Climb to average altitude
3. Approach target area at roughly equal altitude, or a slight advantage.
4. HO first target
5. Extend one sector, then reverse
6. HO next target
7. Extend one sector, then reverse
8. HO next target
9. Extend one sector, then reverse
10. HO next target
11. If at any point an enemy reverses and is on your tail, proceed to drag them. Immediately after your opponent pulls off, reverse for a shot at their back. Repeat as needed until you get a HO, or your opponent runs of of gas due to his inability to run you down, or successfully disengage because of your speed.
12. If pursued by multiple enemies, run to the nearest friendly Horde, pack of Ostwinds, or field ack
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo,
rinse & repeat?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Saxman
Flying the La-7: A Beginner's Guide
Method A
1. Take off
2. Climb to about 15k
3. Approach target area
4. Enter dive into furball 10k below you. Do not reduce throttle
5. Auger into the ground.
Repeat steps 1-5
Method B
1. Take off
2. Climb to average altitude
3. Approach target area at roughly equal altitude, or a slight advantage.
4. HO first target
5. Extend one sector, then reverse
6. HO next target
7. Extend one sector, then reverse
8. HO next target
9. Extend one sector, then reverse
10. HO next target
11. If at any point an enemy reverses and is on your tail, proceed to drag them. Immediately after your opponent pulls off, reverse for a shot at their back. Repeat as needed until you get a HO, or your opponent runs of of gas due to his inability to run you down, or successfully disengage because of your speed.
12. If pursued by multiple enemies, run to the nearest friendly Horde, pack of Ostwinds, or field ack
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by DoNKeY
Call me crazy, but I'd rather come up against a LA-7 rather than a spit, but maybe thats just because I've seen soooo many spits lately...
my guns on my planes dont care once they hit someting the target is going down or i die
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Originally posted by Motherland
Most of the time I get into a turnfight with an La its either a 109F or a 109G2. The 109G2 has a slightly larger turn radius than the La7 but this is not normally a problem as La pilots usually suck.
Ok. I though when you said "many" you actually meant more than the 109F.
Originally posted by Motherland
Especially since many of the planes I fly can turn inside an La7...
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Originally posted by Viking
Ok. I though when you said "many" you actually meant more than the 109F.
Guess I mis-worded that there. Either that or I just wasnt thinking when I posted it. Both explanations are plausible.
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Originally posted by Saxman
Flying the La-7: A Beginner's Guide
Method A
1. Take off
2. Climb to about 15k
3. Approach target area
4. Enter dive into furball 10k below you. Do not reduce throttle
5. Auger into the ground.
Repeat steps 1-5
Method B
1. Take off
2. Climb to average altitude
3. Approach target area at roughly equal altitude, or a slight advantage.
4. HO first target
5. Extend one sector, then reverse
6. HO next target
7. Extend one sector, then reverse
8. HO next target
9. Extend one sector, then reverse
10. HO next target
11. If at any point an enemy reverses and is on your tail, proceed to drag them. Immediately after your opponent pulls off, reverse for a shot at their back. Repeat as needed until you get a HO, or your opponent runs of of gas due to his inability to run you down, or successfully disengage because of your speed.
12. If pursued by multiple enemies, run to the nearest friendly Horde, pack of Ostwinds, or field ack
Method B seems to be the average to most people.You did forget to add if the person HO'sbad and the Lghay dies that he crys on 200.
LA's are easy to kill but it's hard to kill them if their 10K higher then every one or their runing and only turn back on you if you break off.
For example I have 111 kills of LA7(the highest of planes i shot down) and only died by the hands of an LA7 23 times...do the math.For people that cant
111/23 = 4.82K/D
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Originally posted by splitatom
mamy lala drives get mad when i take out my tempest because they cant run :lol
You haven't run into a decent La-7 driver yet. If you had, you would have found that the La-7 eats Tempests for breakfast. I rarely fly the La-7 in the MAs, but I do teach guys how to utilize its amazing speed, climb and outstanding maneuverability.
1v1, I'll take the La-7 every time.
Moreover, this is not just opinion. Some time ago, two of the game's best sticks flew a series of duels in the DA to determine which fighter was best head to head. They switched back and forth. Regardless of which pilot flew the Tempest, the La-7 won every duel.
My advice? Be careful with La-7s. Sooner or later you will run into a top tier pilot flying one.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
You haven't run into a decent La-7 driver yet. If you had, you would have found that the La-7 eats Tempests for breakfast.
Yup. I fly the Tempest a lot and the La7 still occasionally.
When it comes to a knife fight, you better dispose the La7 quickly with your hizookas, or you will be in huge trouble. Of course, that's only as long as the La7 pilot knows his business, which is luckily not the norm ;)
BTW, there is a sweet spot just below 7k, where a non-wep Tempest is about 11mph faster than a La-7 with wep engaged. If you have to run, err... disengage, try to reach that altitude. However ridiculuous and lame it may sound, but I have sucked many, many greedy La pilots into chasing me at that altitude untill their tanks ran dry. With usually some colourful mesages following on CH200...
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Originally posted by Widewing
My advice? Be careful with La-7s. Sooner or later you will run into a top tier pilot flying one.
My regards,
Widewing
Which isn't that likely, I've only ever come across one good stick in a La7 on a constant basis and that was Shane.
Same deal goes for spits.
...-Gixer