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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Boroda on December 19, 2007, 01:27:27 PM
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After Stalin (JVS) was a man of the year in 1942 (IIRC) - now we have VVP.
An interview to Times magazine:
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/personoftheyear/article/0,28804,1690753_1690757_1695787,00.html - a link in Eng from Times magazine.
http://www.kreml.org/interview/168576392 - a link with Russian original
Reading it now, some things are awesome. He's at least as good in PR as JVS. I strongly disagree with his internal policy and economical course, but as a public person he's awesome. "After mahatma Ghandi died - there's no one to talk to!" :D
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Better choice than Al Bore.
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the man of the year cover does not mean the best man of the year, it just means someone that had a impact on the world, good or bad.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Better choice than Al Bore.
Al was their second choice, it's true, i don't lie.
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Originally posted by john9001
Al was their second choice, it's true, i don't lie.
Wonder if they counted chads? ;)
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The same magazine that at one time has had Hitler and Stalin as their man of the year.:D
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Originally posted by thrila
The same magazine that at one time has had Hitler and Stalin as their man of the year.:D
I thought it would have been interesting if Rowling had won.
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When they passed over Reagan for Gorbachev I stopped having anything to do with that magazine. That was 1988.
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Originally posted by john9001
the man of the year cover does not mean the best man of the year, it just means someone that had a impact on the world, good or bad.
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Originally posted by Yeager
When they passed over Reagan for Gorbachev I stopped having anything to do with that magazine. That was 1988.
Gorby was a greatest traitor in human history.
Now it's the end of the year and I don't have time to read anything carefully, only posting something when I relax with a beer. Reading an interview now looking for possible mis-translations. Should be interesting, if they translate Putin's irony or just make him look like a monster, there are some points where it's quite easy.
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Still getting through a Russian version. Damn, he's awesome. I have to admit it.
If he said it from scratch, right out of his brain - I take my hat off.
Stalin had all the questions provided in written form and then answered to them in a matter of days. But Russian wasn't his native language, and he learned it good enough only by 1941, his speeches at the 1937 elections were like an illiterate Georgian highlander trying to speak Russian...
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In my view, it would prompt the Iraqi authorities to be more proactive. If they know they will always have American armed forces behind their backs, they may feel comfortable under such an umbrella, but if and when they know that the deadline is there, they would be forced to think about what they need to do from then on.
In Russian it's: "If they are sure they'll always have American bayonets supporting them"...
Looks like English version is a little bit "smoother" then original.
Will try to post other things I see different from Russian original.
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Putin is an ex-KGB thug.
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Yep, I spotted difference immediately, but I don't see them as malicious.
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save your breath
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Originally posted by Eagler
save your breath
????
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As an aside, I was thinking of Russia while welding.
Boroda, I cam to the conclusion that Gorby broke the mold by putting Freedom (Glasnost) first and Order (Parastroika) second. Putin seems to have taken the opposite approach and has had about a 70% approval rating (I believe).
Just a thought, I'm probably completely off base, but this is the simplest I could think of it.
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Sorry Boroda, just because TIME plants your guy in the cover doesnt mean we are going to go lovey for him. Sure, he's trying to make Russia matter again on the world stage. But he's doing so at the loss of your liberties. But you are so drawn into the good ole days of Communism, you aren't apt to notice.
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Just noticed how many talking heads are foaming all over this....
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Putin is an ex-KGB thug.
Ex thug? Perhaps you haven't been paying attention recently.
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Yea, what do you mean ex?? :)
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Originally posted by john9001
the man of the year cover does not mean the best man of the year, it just means someone that had a impact on the world, good or bad.
Thats exactly correct.
and usually when they announce it .
They start with the phrase.
"The person that FOR BETTER OR WORSE. Had an impact"
Since 1927, TIME Magazine has chosen a man, woman, or idea that "for better or worse, has most influenced events in the preceding year." Though TIME's list is not an academic or objective study of the past, the list gives a contemporary viewpoint of what was important during each year. There are many interesting facts about the list:
Charles Lindbergh (1927) was the first, and the youngest, person to receive the distinction. He was 25 years old.
Mrs. Wallis Warfield Simpson, the woman whom English King Edward VIII abdicated in order to marry, was the first woman to receive the honor - 1936.
Though a number of people have received the honor twice, U.S. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt is the only person to have been named three times: 1932, 1934, and 1941.
Adolf Hitler, the murderous leader of Nazi Germany, received the honor in 1938.
A whole generation was named in 1966 - "Twenty-five and Under."
In 1982, the computer became the first object ever to receive the distinction.
There are several years where large groups of people were nominated: the American Fighting-Man (1950), the Hungarian Freedom Fighter (1956), U.S. Scientists (1960), Twenty-Five and Under (1966), the Middle Americans (1968), and American Women (1975).
Some of Times other men of the year
1938 Adolf Hitler
1939 Joseph Stalin
1942 Joseph Stalin
1956 Hungarian Freedom Fighter
1957 Nikita Krushchev
1979 Ayatullah Khomeini
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Originally posted by LePaul
Sorry Boroda, just because TIME plants your guy in the cover doesnt mean we are going to go lovey for him. Sure, he's trying to make Russia matter again on the world stage. But he's doing so at the loss of your liberties. But you are so drawn into the good ole days of Communism, you aren't apt to notice.
I already said that I don't like our current regime, collaborators at their best.
Stalin isn't a girl, so you don;t have to love him. So is Putin.
He's good in PR, but current regime tries to get rid of fundamental science, starve everyone over pension age, armed forces get their money only since like this spring, average fighter pilot age is 40 (!!!), and no attempts to get out of this ****.
You may think whatever you want. I am sick of it. I am sharpening my bayonet every dull dark December evening.
I want our "beloved party and government" hanging on lamp-posts here in Moscow. They robbed me and my generation, they took our future, they got our effort and blood - for so-called "democracy" that means any illiterate idiot has the same vote as we do,
Ìûøè â íàêîïèòåëå, îêóðêè â òàáàêåðêå, â ïëàíåòàðíîì âûòðåçâèòåëå ïîñëåäíèå áåðñåðêè!
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Putin , just delivered this week first load of uranium to Iran, but Russia still has some dispute with Iran about Caspian Sea oil, next time you may get some "glowing in the dark" terorists in Moscow theatre.
same traditional poor politic vission like Molotov-Ribentrop Pact in"39.
Bush is getting weak aproving the move and Jsrael has only one option .
Dirty chees game there, the apocaliptic allinces are built ,WW3 coming soon
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Originally posted by Boroda
Gorby was a greatest traitor in human history.
According to the time article, Putin does not agree. He called Gorby's decisions "courageous", and said he does not know if he would have the guts to do what they did (bust up a system that didn't work and everyone hated).
I think it's a fine choice for man of the year. There is no doubt that he has had a huge influence in the world in the last few years. He took control of a pretty big pile of crap and it really shouldn't suprise anyone that he's had to be fairly ruthless while getting the country under control.
Some of the Putin jokes in the article are pretty funny even to Americans :)
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"You mentioned terrorism, and here I wouldn't add to terrorism such an attribute as Islamic. In our view, terrorism—and I'm convinced terrorism doesn't have national, ethnic or religious attributes—is an international phenomenon and radicals can be found in any environment, in any nation and in any religion. From time to time, something abates, something surfaces, these things are fluid. We're not encountering religious demonstrations but rather an ideology of intolerance, regardless of what colors it paints itself."
Thanks to Reagan's intolerance of the USSR's totalitarianism, today the world is a freer place for many.
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Originally posted by Boroda
I want our "beloved party and government" hanging on lamp-posts here in Moscow. They robbed me and my generation, they took our future, they got our effort and blood - for so-called "democracy" that means any illiterate idiot has the same vote as we do.
Sounds like someone enjoys the Prussian voting system.
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Originally posted by eagl
According to the time article, Putin does not agree. He called Gorby's decisions "courageous", and said he does not know if he would have the guts to do what they did (bust up a system that didn't work and everyone hated).
Do you expect me to follow the "Party line" and agree with VVP in all minor questions?
He has to keep his face, I am free from it. 90% of ex-Soviet people disagree on if Gorby should hang on a lamp-post or be torn by horses.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Still getting through a Russian version. Damn, he's awesome. I have to admit it.
If he said it from scratch, right out of his brain - I take my hat off.
Stalin had all the questions provided in written form and then answered to them in a matter of days. But Russian wasn't his native language, and he learned it good enough only by 1941, his speeches at the 1937 elections were like an illiterate Georgian highlander trying to speak Russian...
Commi :lol
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btw, Time also recognized Ron Paul as a runner-up of sorts, as one of the "People Who Mattered"...
Booed by Republicans for his isolationist foreign policy views and anathema to Democrats for his anti-government philosophy, the Texas congressman was proudly out of step with both political parties. But marching to his own drummer, the grandfatherly libertarian found himself leading an online parade. Millions of dollars poured into his quixotic presidential campaign, raising an inevitable question: What's next for this free-thinking and strangely compelling grassroots crusader?
People Who Mattered (http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/personoftheyear/article/0,28804,1690753_1690758_1693558,00.html)
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Puuuuuuuutin (http://youtube.com/watch?v=rlC30L1TmcU)
:rofl :rofl
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Hell, I was Time's Person of The Year last year. :D
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Originally posted by GoldenP51
Commi :lol
Do you have anything against commies?
I voted for Communists at last elections, not for the party of thieves that Putin supports.
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Not mentioning obvious omitions - another mis-translations.
Time: "PUTIN: Fools are lucky. We work day and night!"
It was "Luck is for fools, but we work day and night!" He's playing words, meaning that we are not lucky fools, we are working on our own luck.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Not mentioning obvious omitions - another mis-translations.
Time: "PUTIN: Fools are lucky. We work day and night!"
It was "Luck is for fools, but we work day and night!" He's playing words, meaning that we are not lucky fools, we are working on our own luck.
Only a fool would read the Time English translation as other than your posting one.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Do you have anything against commies?
I voted for Communists at last elections, not for the party of thieves that Putin supports.
Do I have something against commies?
Depends on who you are talking about...the vast majority of them, no.
Do I have something against communism?
Again it depends on which form you are talking about and I don't pretend for one second to know about all of them. For the most part however yes, their philosophy has a lot of major flaws in it. All political philosophies have their flaws, but communism allows for some of the greatest tragedies and problems to occur.
Do I have a problem with Boroda?
No. :D
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A interesting documentary I saw about Russia. Boroda it seems things are nice a cozy where you live in Moscow, but not so nice elsewhere in the country.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9106762987895287402
I have a very hard time believing Putin (aka Stalin Jr) really has a 70% approval rating if this stuff is true.
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Originally posted by crockett
I have a very hard time believing Putin (aka Stalin Jr) really has a 70% approval rating if this stuff is true.
I suspect for Putin, a 70% approval rating simply means that there is 30% of the country that still needs to be imprisioned or assasinated.
:cool: ,
Wab
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Originally posted by crockett
A interesting documentary I saw about Russia. Boroda it seems things are nice a cozy where you live in Moscow, but not so nice elsewhere in the country.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9106762987895287402
I have a very hard time believing Putin (aka Stalin Jr) really has a 70% approval rating if this stuff is true.
Nobody gives a damn if Russia is Democratic or Comminstic as long as its powerfull.
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http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/personoftheyear/article/0,28804,1690753_1690757_1690766,00.html
Wow....I read interview in Russian and this...this is so twisted ....very impressive western propaganda.