One would think that countries that committed to the Kyoto treaty are doing a better job of curtailing carbon emissions. One would also think that the United States, the only country that does not even intend to ratify, keeps on emitting carbon dioxide at growth levels much higher than those who signed.
And one would be wrong.
The Kyoto treaty was agreed upon in late 1997 and countries started signing and ratifying it in 1998. A list of countries and their carbon dioxide emissions due to consumption of fossil fuels is available from the U.S. government. If we look at that data and compare 2004 (latest year for which data is available) to 1997 (last year before the Kyoto treaty was signed), we find the following.
* Emissions worldwide increased 18.0%.
* Emissions from countries that signed the treaty increased 21.1%.
* Emissions from non-signers increased 10.0%.
* Emissions from the U.S. increased 6.6%.
In fact, emissions from the U.S. grew slower than those of over 75% of the countries that signed Kyoto....
Originally posted by LePaul
The big point of Kyoto that is a joke is this: India and China, the bigger polluters, are exempt.
Originally posted by 2bighorn
From the same source Ripsnort posted:
Million Metric Tons of Carbon Dioxide
World Total 28,192.74
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United States 5,956.98
China 5,322.69
Russia 1,696.00
Japan 1,230.36
India 1,165.72
Germany 844.17
Canada 631.26
United Kingdom 577.17
Korea, South 499.63
Italy 466.64
Iran 450.68
France 415.27
Saudi Arabia 412.35
Australia 406.64
Mexico 398.25
Spain 387.11
Brazil 360.57
Indonesia 359.47
Source:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iealf/tableh1co2.xls [/B]
Originally posted by john9001probably estimate based on consumption of fossil fuels with some adjustment for efficiency of technologies used, country env. regs, etc...
how do they measure that? Is it a estimate, a computer model, a guess?
Originally posted by john9001The numbers are in millions, so 5,956.98 is actually 5,956,980.00.
that's pretty accurate, 5,956.98, are they sure it's not . 96 or .99?
Originally posted by ROCHe did use "Average amount of CO2 released by volcanoes/year: 110 million tons.". (Note volcanoes/year)
Pretty proud of his efforts, except that he shoots his argument in the foot.
Originally posted by GunslingerWho's collecting the money?
They actually have to pay a fine in the billions of dollars.
Originally posted by john9001
how do they measure that? Is it a estimate, a computer model, a guess?
that's pretty accurate, 5,956.98, are they sure it's not . 96 or .99?
Originally posted by 2bighorn
Who's collecting the money?
Originally posted by Gunslinger
honestly i'm not sure
where the enforcement branch has determined that the emissions of a Party have exceeded its assigned amount, it must declare that that Party is in non-compliance and require the Party to make up the difference between its emissions and its assigned amount during the second commitment period, plus an additional deduction of 30%. In addition, it shall require the Party to submit a compliance action plan and suspend the eligibility of the Party to make transfers under emissions trading until the Party is reinstated.
Originally posted by Gunslinger
even more proof that I think Kyoto is the worlds biggest environmental scam.
Short of that the second biggest would be recylcing as a whole. (note: certain materials are the exception Aluminum, paper, copper, ect)
Originally posted by Fishu
Great, the USA's emissions didn't grow that much, but per capita americans are polluting twice more than a few selected countries.
Carbon dioxide emissions per county (1/1000th metric tons):
United States 6,049,435
China 5,010,170
Japan 1,257,963
Germany 808,767
Canada 639,403
United Kingdom 587,261
France 373,693
Carbon dioxide emissions per capita (1/1 metric tons):
United States 20.224
Canada 20.158
Germany 9.811
United Kingdom 9.716
Japan 9.873
France 6.161
China 3.835
Being that much ahead per capita doesn't give much reason to be proud.
Originally posted by Vulcan
Its worse, because the Green Party is part of our government (helping another left wing part to majority) they're talking about carbon credit/taxes (NZ has signed up to kyoto).
Yet NZ contributes a whole 0.001341488% to global man made carbon emmisions.
Its just another tax scam as well as keeping certain politicians and government employees in jobs.