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Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: drfritz on December 22, 2007, 02:37:52 AM
I think we need smoke in cockpit after taking rounds in engine. nothing worse than putting rounds on target and think the guy is going down to find same guy puting rounds in your back side.zero is a good sample, thing is roman candle and the guy is still fighting, in the real world the guy would be doing all he could to get out and not burn to death. just my two cents
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: JB73 on December 22, 2007, 03:20:39 AM
actually not a bad idea, puffs of ah "smoke" to cloud vision, especially with oil / radiator hits. make it so an oil hit isn't just some gunk on the window you can maybe learn to work around.



I don't know if the game mechanics make it possible, or impossible, but a good idea. :aok
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: A8TOOL on December 22, 2007, 05:25:25 AM
I think it's set just fine plus doubt AH will hear your plea.

Eng oil is enough. If you cant kill him and just smoke him then he comes back and kills you   too bad...your fault  and his skill.

It's very hard to see through the oil and takes twice as much concentration to get a kill that way.

It's not going to happen and you'll be back in school in a week anyway
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: HGpappy.BG on December 22, 2007, 06:11:30 AM
I think smoke and fire in the cockpit is a good idea, the more realistic the better, and yes Hitech will here his plea.

|HG|pappy.BG
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Title: glass
Post by: themaj on December 22, 2007, 07:46:11 AM
Smoke effect would be cool, add to that operating canopy.
On topic, I was thinking the other day that it waould also look good to make the cockpit glass look more like glass. Cockpit frames and bullet holes aside, it kinda looks like open air, specially noticable in P51D.

Happy Holidays
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: Latrobe on December 22, 2007, 08:16:13 AM
I'd like to see more realistic pilot wounds. Since when can a pilot get blood on the canopy, but somehow, amazingly, not get the instruments dirty with blood?
Title: Re: smoke in cockpit
Post by: Balsy on December 22, 2007, 08:21:48 AM
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Originally posted by drfritz
I think we need smoke in cockpit .


I dont want that fatarse Monica Lewinsky in my airplane.

Balsy
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: Fulmar on December 22, 2007, 09:48:56 AM
:lol  I can see it now, not only will people complain about not being able to see, low end computers will also get 5 FPS for the duration of the fire.
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: trax1 on December 22, 2007, 10:17:28 AM
Oil on the cockpit is good enough.

Also, shouldn't this thread have been posted in the "Wish List" section?
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: hubsonfire on December 22, 2007, 10:37:30 AM
Tack this onto the already long list of things asked of a more advanced damage system. I'd rather see planes that are badly damaged lose some performance than gain some eye candy. My plane is on fire, the oil system is hit, and my pilot is hit hard enough to spray gore in all directions, but can still put his plane in perfect trim while passing out, then fully recover a few seconds later and continue to fight? Sweet!
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: PanosGR on December 22, 2007, 11:06:06 AM
What about when two 20mm or 13mm rounds heat the instrument panel? What is happening? Normally you loose some gauges But nothing happens during the game.
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: texasmom on December 22, 2007, 11:41:41 AM
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Originally posted by Latrobe
I'd like to see more realistic pilot wounds. Since when can a pilot get blood on the canopy, but somehow, amazingly, not get the instruments dirty with blood?


I think it's ok how it is (not that I ever fly).  But if you add bloody instruments, who's to say you shouldn't be able to wipe them off, which a pilot would be able to do.  One 'what if' just leads to another.
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: TEShaw on December 22, 2007, 11:46:04 AM
Leave it to a 'mom' for finding house-cleaning contingencies.
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: Widewing on December 22, 2007, 11:46:15 AM
If the aircraft is on fire, I think smoke in the cockpit is a great idea. If it will partially blind the pilot and limit his vision, then it will be a more historical representation.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: Yeager on December 22, 2007, 12:32:03 PM
I would like to see airplanes on fire lose some control, in other words, behave like an airplane engulfed in flames would.
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: dkff49 on December 22, 2007, 12:40:49 PM
i have a difficult enough time hitting my target clear vision, but even I think it is a good idea to have smoke in cockpit at least if you aare burning. The other day I was in a fight and was lit up and didn't even know it until a squaddy called and told me so.Of course I was so mad at the indiviidual that HOed me to cause the fire that I continued to chase him down once I was on six anyway. But I do think this would be a great addition. More of a challenge!!!!!

Like I need more.
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: Morpheus on December 22, 2007, 01:20:37 PM
Just what this game needs. :aok :rolleyes:
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: TUXC on December 22, 2007, 01:28:20 PM
Some incentive to bail out of your burning plane rather than fly around for a few minutes as a Roman candle makes sense. As of now when a plane gets lit on fire the pilot either doesn't notice or keeps fighting anyways.
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: crockett on December 22, 2007, 03:29:34 PM
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Originally posted by A8TOOL
I think it's set just fine plus doubt AH will hear your plea.

Eng oil is enough. If you cant kill him and just smoke him then he comes back and kills you   too bad...your fault  and his skill.

It's very hard to see through the oil and takes twice as much concentration to get a kill that way.

It's not going to happen and you'll be back in school in a week anyway


Well in real life it's pretty unlikely a a flaming Zeek pilot would keep chasing the con whom just lit his plane on fire. I'd be willing to bet he would be more interested in bailing out.

I will admit I do get irritated at getting killed by a guy that in real life would have bailed out of his plane. While I've never had the joy of being in a real plane that's on fire. I'd imagine it's like a bit hot and likely not a very fun place to be, much less be able to chase another con around for 3 mins.

Much the same could be said about a plane with a smokey engine and oil leaking everywhere. I'd be willing to bet it would likely be fairly hard to see where you were going good enough to go chase down another con. Assuming you are in a single engine airplane.
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: Magoo on December 22, 2007, 04:16:51 PM
In RL the flaming Zeke would find the nearest target of opportunty and attemt to kamikaze his plane into it.

An even bigger realism issue with me is that we can bail out no matter what the plane is doing or how fast it is going. I see this as being very hard to fix however.

I'd prefer a P39 before they spend time on this stuff :)


Magoo
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: Connery on December 22, 2007, 04:22:28 PM
I actually agree with the poster on this. It would be a good idea to have some smoke or something following an engine hit. Either that or make the oil on the screen spawn in different patterns or something, cos in some planes its easy to see through engine oil on windscreen whilst in others its not.
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: SD67 on December 22, 2007, 04:55:04 PM
I also find it odd that a flaming plane can continue to fight.
In RL, once the flames reach the point of exiting the airframe the airflow is usually disturbed enough to make controlled flight close to impossible.
Smoke in the cockpit would be a good clue to the pilot something was amiss, and it would be a nice touch if an aircraft begins to stall out once the fire takes hold.
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: Yeager on December 22, 2007, 07:18:53 PM
Magoo, you hit the nail on the head:  P-39

Or better yet....

P-63
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: hubsonfire on December 22, 2007, 07:26:24 PM
Better still- both.
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: trax1 on December 22, 2007, 08:12:10 PM
We could have already had the P-39, but the majority in the game thought we needed yet another American bomber, as if we didn't have enough of them already.
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: 1Boner on December 22, 2007, 08:13:11 PM
frame rate killer




But I like it!!





Myopically yours,

Boner
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: crockett on December 22, 2007, 08:43:54 PM
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Originally posted by trax1
We could have already had the P-39, but the majority in the game thought we needed yet another American bomber, as if we didn't have enough of them already.


Well the B25H has become a major player in the game IMO. Most likely a much bigger player than the P-39 would have been. Used to be there was very little defense against a large GV ground assault once the ords had been taken down at an air base.

IL2's and the various GV killing planes just wern't up to par against a large ground assault if the defending  team had no ords. Now you can push back a large ground assault with the B25H's.
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: rabbidrabbit on December 22, 2007, 10:38:32 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
I would like to see airplanes on fire lose some control, in other words, behave like an airplane engulfed in flames would.


Ya, the pilot would yell "ouch ,it burns!"  or start singing "chestnuts roasting over an open fire..." and jump around the cockpit.  This would distract him.
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: HighGTrn on December 26, 2007, 11:57:50 AM
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Originally posted by A8TOOL
I think it's set just fine plus doubt AH will hear your plea.

Eng oil is enough. If you cant kill him and just smoke him then he comes back and kills you   too bad...your fault  and his skill.

It's very hard to see through the oil and takes twice as much concentration to get a kill that way.

It's not going to happen and you'll be back in school in a week anyway


I've been playing for about 10 months now and even managed a couple of posts.  I really enjoy the forum.  The forum is a great place to hear about ideas, experiences and tips.  

For the most part, posters and repliers add real value.  However, once in a while, you see a post like the above.

As far as I see it, Drfritz was merely providing what I and obviously others think is a valid suggestion.  Then comes along a person like the above.  His comments add absolutely no value (pro or con) to the thread yet he manages to insult the original poster at the end of his childish rant.  

I'm just glad posters like the offender are in the minority.  Unfortunately, they always seem to be the loudest.

Happy New Year

HighGTrn
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: Fulmar on December 26, 2007, 12:20:52 PM
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Originally posted by HighGTrn
I've been playing for about 10 months now and even managed a couple of posts.  I really enjoy the forum.  The forum is a great place to hear about ideas, experiences and tips.  

For the most part, posters and repliers add real value.  However, once in a while, you see a post like the above.

As far as I see it, Drfritz was merely providing what I and obviously others think is a valid suggestion.  Then comes along a person like the above.  His comments add absolutely no value (pro or con) to the thread yet he manages to insult the original poster at the end of his childish rant.  

I'm just glad posters like the offender are in the minority.  Unfortunately, they always seem to be the loudest.

Happy New Year

HighGTrn


:aok - Unless someone is asking for a B-29 and why we don't have a P-82 for the one millionth time, jumping on the school bandwagon isn't always called for.  Btw, the thread should have been moved to the Wishlist.
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: ariansworld on December 27, 2007, 01:49:14 AM
We need a  B29 with a N00K !!!!!!

:noid :noid
Title: smoke in cockpit
Post by: WWhiskey on December 27, 2007, 09:10:21 AM
Something to make the pilot want to get out of the plane thats burning would be helpfull!landing a plane with oil on it is kool but flying around for 30 seconds after your Zeke catches fire trying to kill others is a little crazy!