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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Speed55 on December 23, 2007, 11:18:00 AM
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Ok, well i've been living in ny my whole life, and honestly i'm fed up with it.
My family and friends are what have kept me here this long.
So basically to sum things up, because of an injury at work, i had to leave my air conditioning and heating job after 4 years. I'm now in school to learn about telecommunications and should graduate in april.
I want to leave ny. The cost of living here is ridiculous. 1 bedroom apartments in any decent area go for around $1200 a month. If i were to take a loan and try and by a house, the monthly payments would be around $3000 or more not including food and utilities.
I'm hoping i can buy a house somewhere, and rent an apartment in it while i build my career.
So far i've looked at a place called the woodlands, north of houston, and a place called fairview park, west of cleveland. I've talked to people in those areas, and they seem nice.
What i'd like to know is what are the going rates for a 1 bedroom apartment in your area?
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I'm defecting from northern NJ to Charlotte in about 4 months. Checking the
apartment prices for 1 bedrooms in the area were running from about $600 to
$1100 a month.
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Me and wife rent out a 55 sq m (2 bedrooms) including heating and internet for some 800$ per month.
We are told that we're cheap, but we're marketing :D
And of course, another country....
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Speed,
Is there any part of the country you really want to go to or any that you want to stay away from? It would help in refining your search for info. There are other things to consider such as your lifestyle. If you like to fish, forget AZ and if you like the beach forget places like the SW and the central part of the country. What you like to do besides work and sleep might have a significant impact on where you would want to look.
Keep in mind that a major city like Dallas and Cleveland may not really be less expensive than what you are used to now. If you head to places like Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama for Southern states you'll find it less expensive and better weather too. Heading to the sunbelt like AZ can be less costly as long as you are not stuck on the Phoenix area. New Mexico has some real bargains but jobs may be scarce.
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One bedrooms near Chicago vary, but usually $600/mo. and up. Go to where I live in Rockford, IL and they start (decent ones) at about $400/mo and up.
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Originally posted by Speed55
Ok, well i've been living in ny my whole life, and honestly i'm fed up with it.
My family and friends are what have kept me here this long.
So basically to sum things up, because of an injury at work, i had to leave my air conditioning and heating job after 4 years. I'm now in school to learn about telecommunications and should graduate in april.
I want to leave ny. The cost of living here is ridiculous. 1 bedroom apartments in any decent area go for around $1200 a month. If i were to take a loan and try and by a house, the monthly payments would be around $3000 or more not including food and utilities.
I'm hoping i can buy a house somewhere, and rent an apartment in it while i build my career.
So far i've looked at a place called the woodlands, north of houston, and a place called fairview park, west of cleveland. I've talked to people in those areas, and they seem nice.
What i'd like to know is what are the going rates for a 1 bedroom apartment in your area?
the woodlands is very nice. i think it's a pretty pricey area though. (though nothing like the COL in NY) outer suburbia land.
lot's of nice areas on the west side of cleveland. closer to the lake you get the more pricey of course.)
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The Woodlands is nice, when I lived in TX I was just south of there, in Spring. Been a while so I have no idea about prices there, although I'd guess the Woodlands is more expensive than the surrounding towns, Spring and Conroe. (iirc Conroe was the other close town...) I did just go thru a small relocation myself, from Fryeburg ME to ****ord NH. 1 bedroom apts go for 8-900 here.
EDIT: my town's getting filtered. M i l f o r d, NH
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Im currently in Phoenix and you can expect to pay 800-1000 for a decent neighborhood. 400-800 if you like gunshots and mariachi music.
Im moving to Tulsa in 4 weeks. Tulsa you can get something nice for 500-800.
Our house here sold for $360,000 (3 bed, 2 bath, 2CG, 2200 Sq ft.) It was a low offer. We've owned it since 2001 and had about 100k left on the note. Its appraisal is over 400k.
We bought a house in beautiful Broken Arrow, Ok (southern Tulsa suburb) that is 3 bed, 2 bath, 2CG, bigger back yard and in a cul-de-sac, 2400 sq ft., for $165,000.
Life is, currently, grand!
God luck getting out of New York.
:aok
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I live in Ga about an hour North of Atlanta and an hour South of Chattanooga, Tn. Wife and I bought a 2400 sq ft house, 4 bedrooms/ 3 baths on 2 acres for $140,000. I've never rented an apartment so I'm not sure of the price range, but I think it's between $500 and $800.
Lambo
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Originally posted by lambo31
I live in Ga about an hour North of Atlanta and an hour South of Chattanooga, Tn. Wife and I bought a 2400 sq ft house, 4 bedrooms/ 3 baths on 2 acres for $140,000. I've never rented an apartment so I'm not sure of the price range, but I think it's between $500 and $800.
Lambo
That's a nice deal. I'm surprised to hear that so close to Atlanta
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1 BR apartment here - $275/month
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The Woodlands...very nice...but traffic there sucks big time. Plenty of work opportunities up there though and it's not pricey if you know where to look. I've wanted to live up there for a while but just never found the motivation to do it. You might look at the Clear Lake area and surrounding communities. But, be forwarned, the traffic in Houston pretty much sucks all around although it's worse in the North, Northwest, and Southwest areas.
I had a job near Kemah for a year and a half before I got laid off (NOC engineer) and I wish to god I still had that job. Good luck in your hunt though.
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Originally posted by Speed55
I want to leave ny. The cost of living here is ridiculous. 1 bedroom apartments in any decent area go for around $1200 a month. If i were to take a loan and try and by a house, the monthly payments would be around $3000 or more not including food and utilities.
How much will average US-citizen earn per month?
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In the Birmingham, AL area you can get a 1 bedroom apartment in a range of 350 - 1500 a month depending on the area you want to live in. Downtown is more expensive but closer to the corporate work for the most part. My almost 4000 sq foot house was only 300k in an area called Vestavia Hills and we are in one of the higher end income areas of town.
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Originally posted by Whitey33
How much will average US-citizen earn per month?
I would say average is between $25,000-$35,000 per year. Divide that by 12 and you get between 2 and 3k per month. I'm just guessing though, could be more.
:aok
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My son is renting a three bedroom house with garage and fenced yard in Fayetteville NC for $650/month. You can buy a nice house for about 85 grand.
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Originally posted by REP0MAN
I would say average is between $25,000-$35,000 per year. Divide that by 12 and you get between 2 and 3k per month. I'm just guessing though, could be more.
:aok
Wow! Seems to me there insn´t many average workers living in downtown NY:O
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Originally posted by Reschke
In the Birmingham, AL area you can get a 1 bedroom apartment in a range of 350 - 1500 a month depending on the area you want to live in. Downtown is more expensive but closer to the corporate work for the most part. My almost 4000 sq foot house was only 300k in an area called Vestavia Hills and we are in one of the higher end income areas of town.
You would be a FOOL to even think about getting an apartment in downtown birmingham, but the suburbs are awesome. There are a lot of houses for sale in the Clay area which is suburbs of B'ham
Edit: Hey Reschke I live in clay near cchs, we should meet up some time.
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Originally posted by Whitey33
How much will average US-citizen earn per month?
Repoman is too low.
US median household income by state 2006 (http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ThematicMapFramesetServlet?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-tm_name=ACS_2006_EST_G00_M00700&-ds_name=ACS_2006_EST_G00_&-_MapEvent=displayBy&-_dBy=040)
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Mid-cities between Dallas and Ft Worth. Jobs. Relatively low COL.
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Lots of places in TX you can get a decent 1BR apartment for under $600. You'll pay closer to $700-$800 to live in a nice area, and can get as low as $400 if you want to live next to the same size 1BR apartment occupied by a dozen illegals.
The trick is finding a place that is near where you want to work. I think Dallas has some telecom companies but I don't know if they're hiring.
You can get a decent house in Dallas for under $200k, and a small one in a reasonably decent neighborhood for around $150-$170k. I have a nice house in Farmers Branch that I am selling if you end up out here :)
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Awesome!
Thanks for all the potential leads.
I'm going to write all this down in a notebook, and start doing some research online. I've still got plenty of time to plan all this out, but you guys really made it alot easier.
:aok
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My son has a very nice 1 bedroom in Burbank $1450.
In Idaho, $500.
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Originally posted by bsdaddict
EDIT: my town's getting filtered. M i l f o r d, NH
:rofl Too funny.ROFL
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Originally posted by E25280
Repoman is too low.
US median household income by state 2006 (http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ThematicMapFramesetServlet?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-tm_name=ACS_2006_EST_G00_M00700&-ds_name=ACS_2006_EST_G00_&-_MapEvent=displayBy&-_dBy=040)
You and your fancy Intardnet search skills......
I man'ed up and guessed!
:D
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Originally posted by Rino
I'm defecting from northern NJ to Charlotte in about 4 months. Checking the
apartment prices for 1 bedrooms in the area were running from about $600 to
$1100 a month.
You get a job with Useless Airways or something?
BTW, how you bean?
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I thought there was good fishing near Flagstaff, AZ?
I live in Syracuse, and the damn taxes here are disgusting..
Someday North Carolina!! :)
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Here is a site I use a lot for research when I write.
http://www.bls.gov/bls/blswage.htm
there you can get lots of wage and job data broken down by region and state.
regards,
Kevin
Originally posted by Whitey33
How much will average US-citizen earn per month?
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Nice site. That's got lots of info
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Well here,
A 1 bedroom Apt.. in this area will set you back around $ 700-1000 a month...
3 bedoom Free standing home $1,000,000 +
3 bedoom Attached (row Housing) $ 300,000 +
So it sounds like where you are at is not to bad Compaired to the Netherlands
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2 br 2 floor town house with aircon & Austar (PayTV) connected. Shower, bath and 2 toilets (1 up 1 down stairs), lock up garage, 100m from centre of town and walk to some of Australia's most popular surfing beaches. $250/week.
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North Texas is having a boom right now with the Barnett Shale. Untrained workers can make $15+ an hour to start with quick promotions. If you get out of the D/FW metro area you can rent a 3 bedroom house for $800 a month or buy one for less.
You can pick up an acre of land for $3000 and a repo'ed doublewide for $20K or less. Yeah, you might be a redneck... but you would also be a property owner.
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Your house prices are too low in the States. If you want to see a really expensive housing market, try buying in Britain.
I bought my flat about 5 years ago for $150,000 your money. Really stretched myself for that one. Met my now fiancee and sold the flat for $230,000, 3 years later. Obviously exchange rates have moved around alot in that time, but you get the picture. It was a brand new ground floor, 2 bed apartment - and this is in a cheaper area of the country.
Bought my current house for $340,000. 3 bedroom semi-detached, 3 bathroom but a really small garden. It is in a decent area on the border of a National Park over here, however.
Basically, if I had not got on the ladder before the housing boom, I'd struggle to afford anything as good as I have now. And I'm a qualified accountant and my fiancee is senior nurse.
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Dowding, a lot depends on where you live in the states. In the suburbs of most metropolitan areas, housing prices were going up at a similar rate as you describe. Part of the reason was that interest rates were very low, and banks started lending money to people who would never have qualified in the past, causing increased demand for housing (and resulting in the current "Sub-Prime Mortgage Crisis").
But, like I said, it depends on where you live . . . rural areas and small towns have less demand, and prices have stayed relatively low. Areas near big cities have prices going through the roof. The linked map is by state, but as you can see, several states (let alone the metro areas in them) had housing prices increase more than 80% between 1998 and 2006. The states that are still fairly rural have had much lower increases.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USA_home_appreciation_1998_2006.png
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Originally posted by Speed55
I want to leave ny. The cost of living here is ridiculous. 1 bedroom apartments in any decent area go for around $1200 a month.
In Moscow $1200 a month will be a one-room (bedroom, small kitchen and a bathroom) in a hmm, "indecent" area.
If you want an idea of salaries here - I earn about $150 a month officially. Most of the people are quite satisfied with $1000 a month, if they own a flat as I do, thanks to Bloody Communist Regime (tm) when everybody had a right for habitation.
Edit: my small 3-room flat, 54 square meters total, at the last metro stop, costs about $200K now...
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I understand your point, but I was responding the original poster, really. £600 a month for a 1 bed flat in New York sounds pretty good to me. That wouldn't get you much in London, for instance.
The US is so big it will have vastly different housing markets. Over here, anything around London is generally expensive, becoming cheaper as you move north or start looking at nice villages.
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Originally posted by Boroda
If you want an idea of salaries here - I earn about $150 a month officially.
Holycrap do I suddenly feel a lot better about my situation. I hope you have other "unofficial" income, Boroda.
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Originally posted by Dowding
I understand your point, but I was responding the original poster, really. £600 a month for a 1 bed flat in New York sounds pretty good to me. That wouldn't get you much in London, for instance.
The US is so big it will have vastly different housing markets. Over here, anything around London is generally expensive, becoming cheaper as you move north or start looking at nice villages.
Only New York and possibly the San Francisco bay area come anywhere close to London. THe UK in general is significantly more expensive for housing (and just about everything else) than the US.
For $2000pm in Orange County, I rent a brand new 2 bed apartment with garage, off-street parking, 2 swmming pools, 2 hot tubs a gym and an on-site staff who will respond in minutes to any problems. Oh - and the weather rocks.
By comparison, when I last lived in London in 2001, I was paying $2600 for a 20 year old two bed apartment with dodgy plumbing and an absentee landlord. Parking outside required purchasing a permit from Fulham council. No swimming pool, hot tub, gym or 300 days of sunshine.
I'd probably earn a little bit more in London than I do here, but I pay more of it in tax / cost of living.
By the way, back on topic, the OP should stay away from Orange County CA. Its not going to be significantly cheaper than NY.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
I hope you have other "unofficial" income, Boroda.
I hear he's had a substantial drop in income since the KGB "Crimeagainstthestatestoppers" program went out of business.
Heck Diablo, come north brotha! I can hook you up with $80K a year easy.
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Originally posted by rpm
Heck Diablo, come north brotha! I can hook you up with $80K a year easy.
I ain't driving trucks and I ain't doing retail.
Junk bonds and cooking books for Fortune 500 companies are completely ok with me!
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It seems that no matter where you live the housing is really a big chunk of your income.
How much is a spot in a trailerpark?
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dowding.. where I live the homes go for $500,000 or more.. half a duplex is over $300k
lazs
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Lazs - with the current exchange rate, in most of the UK that would be cheap. In London, you could replace that dollar sign with a pound sign and you would still be too low (The pound is currently trading at just over $2).
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Eugene, OR: Figure $500-700 for the 1 BR appt. We were renting 3BR townhouse apartments out for $950, for comparison.
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Originally posted by 68Wooley
Lazs - with the current exchange rate, in most of the UK that would be cheap. In London, you could replace that dollar sign with a pound sign and you would still be too low (The pound is currently trading at just over $2).
Let's try to take exchange rate out of it, because earnings are affected by it as well.
According to this site (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=334), the average income for someone in the UK is less than 30K (I assume that is still pounds sterling).
According to this site (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/in_depth/uk_house_prices/html/houses.stm), the average home price in the UK is 230K.
According to this site (http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ThematicMapFramesetServlet?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-tm_name=ACS_2006_EST_G00_M00700&-ds_name=ACS_2006_EST_G00_&-_MapEvent=displayBy&-_dBy=040) I linked earlier, the median income in the US is $48K.
According to this site (http://www.census.gov/const/uspriceann.pdf), the median house price is $247K (with an average of $306K).
I know comparing medians and averages are not exactly apples to apples, but in general I would say a person earning less than 30K trying to find an affordable home in a 230K market would have more difficulty than the 48K earner in a 247K market.
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68... I believe that dowding said "in your dollars" meaning that the prices were in our money?
lazs
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A rental apartment is almost impossible to get with reasonable terms here(1 year minimum). And a studio(only "affordable" option) would cost at least $700. My solution is to live at my workplace. I used to live in a trailer, but during the winter it's too expensive to heat(propane costs a fortune here). So now I'm living at my workplace, I even rigged the alarm so I can turn it on while I'm inside the building.
No joke.
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Originally posted by bsdaddict
The Woodlands is nice, when I lived in TX I was just south of there, in Spring. Been a while so I have no idea about prices there, although I'd guess the Woodlands is more expensive than the surrounding towns, Spring and Conroe. (iirc Conroe was the other close town...) I did just go thru a small relocation myself, from Fryeburg ME to ****ord NH. 1 bedroom apts go for 8-900 here.
EDIT: my town's getting filtered. M i l f o r d, NH
I has to laugh over the filtering of you city name! :rofl
I thought at first it was due to a typing botch job on the name Concord, NH lol
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by mora
A rental apartment is almost impossible to get with reasonable terms here(1 year minimum). And a studio(only "affordable" option) would cost at least $700. My solution is to live at my workplace. I used to live in a trailer, but during the winter it's too expensive to heat(propane costs a fortune here). So now I'm living at my workplace, I even rigged the alarm so I can turn it on while I'm inside the building.
No joke.
Uhm move out of central Helsinki and you'll find an abundance of cheap housing. I live 1 hour away from Helsinki and I bought a house with 2 buildings, 2 full height floors in the 200m2+ main building and 1200m2 lot for €100 000. For that money you can't get more than a single 30m2 flat if that in Helsinki.
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Originally posted by Speed55
Ok, well i've been living in ny my whole life, and honestly i'm fed up with it.
My family and friends are what have kept me here this long.
So basically to sum things up, because of an injury at work, i had to leave my air conditioning and heating job after 4 years. I'm now in school to learn about telecommunications and should graduate in april.
I want to leave ny. The cost of living here is ridiculous. 1 bedroom apartments in any decent area go for around $1200 a month. If i were to take a loan and try and by a house, the monthly payments would be around $3000 or more not including food and utilities.
I'm hoping i can buy a house somewhere, and rent an apartment in it while i build my career.
So far i've looked at a place called the woodlands, north of houston, and a place called fairview park, west of cleveland. I've talked to people in those areas, and they seem nice.
What i'd like to know is what are the going rates for a 1 bedroom apartment in your area?
In SW VA I bought an old stone farmhouse with 2 acres and a creek bordering most of it for $75k.....frikkin $723 mortgage payments are killin me:D
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Originally posted by lazs2
68... I believe that dowding said "in your dollars" meaning that the prices were in our money?
lazs
Yep - he did. But trust me - those prices are cheap. Case in point - my brother just bought a house in a very, very ordinary part of Glasgow for the equivalent of $480,000. Glasgow has traditionally been one of the cheapest cities in the UK to buy in. Put the same house in a desirable part of Glasgow (yes - they do exist) and the price would nearly double.
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even years ago when I was in england I was shocked at how much people were paying for rent for places that I would call a slum. These guys were making good money too (before taxes).
If that is how socialists live... I don't want any part of it.
lazs
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Average home here costs $1.6M
http://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?sectionId=60&articleId=7d7151330030058
We are big into Socialism too...just like England.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Curval
Average home here costs $1.6M
http://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?sectionId=60&articleId=7d7151330030058
We are big into Socialism too...just like England.
:rolleyes:
Which was debunked in the post http://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d7161330030093§ionId=65
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Originally posted by lazs2
even years ago when I was in england I was shocked at how much people were paying for rent for places that I would call a slum. These guys were making good money too (before taxes).
If that is how socialists live... I don't want any part of it.
lazs
The English building code is a Victorian era one. From what I've seen the living conditions and the way they build is just beyond words. Houses not insulated, single glassed windows, you can't even get mixed water from fawcets for crying out loud!
I don't think the Englishmen are so much socialist.. Their problem is class and income differences and racial diversiveness with related problems. Whenever a country has large minorities with low income, slums, substance abuse and related crime will occur.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Which was debunked in the post http://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d7161330030093§ionId=65
lol
Okay Mr. Post police.
Sir John....does that name ring a bell to you at all?
Probably not...let me help you:
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=160428&highlight=John+Swan
...and I think he has a nice bridge to sell you.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Uhm move out of central Helsinki and you'll find an abundance of cheap housing. I live 1 hour away from Helsinki and I bought a house with 2 buildings, 2 full height floors in the 200m2+ main building and 1200m2 lot for €100 000. For that money you can't get more than a single 30m2 flat if that in Helsinki.
Actually I can't find anything reasonable within 30 minute commute. I'm not looking to live in central Helsinki at all. I'll rather invest my money than buy a house, not that there's anything wrong with that.
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950 a month for a 1500 sq foot Condo against a golf course with deck, electric all utilities in Fayettevile Ark..one of the best places to live with U of Arkansas and only about 60K people.
http://www.nwark.org/fayetteville_section/live/housing
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ripley.. to some extent I would agree.. the buildings were drafty and poorly constructed but.. they were also run down.. shabby and in need of paint and taking care of.
I rent a duplex out and I would be ashamed to rent out a building in such poor repair.
lazs
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Originally posted by mora
Actually I can't find anything reasonable within 30 minute commute. I'm not looking to live in central Helsinki at all. I'll rather invest my money than buy a house, not that there's anything wrong with that.
Ok Mr. I live at my workplace.. :lol
I mean how can you do that? First of all I'm surprised you're allowed and second, don't you ever take a girl home for a shag or anything? :huh
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Holycrap do I suddenly feel a lot better about my situation. I hope you have other "unofficial" income, Boroda.
Sure I do.
I work in Academic institute. If our beloved Party and Government pays me such a wage and want me to survive - then they don't deserve any taxes from anything else I earn working hard. And I spend my own money on my institute's network.
They think fundamental science is a nuisance. They want us to pay rent like 2 times higher then in EU. They will sooner or later end hanging on lamp posts. Either hanged by their own "electorate" or by occupants.