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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Anaxogoras on December 25, 2007, 03:40:45 AM
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Which aircraft can do this? I shot the wing off an f4u but never got the kill as he drifted down to his airfield. I assume that he "landed.";)
I bet plenty of you have landed without a wing already... but what about on the carrier? Eh? Betchya haven't done that!:lol
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wing? or wing tip?
no wing = no landing
no wing tip = easy landing in most planes.
as for your carrier challenge, I once flew home 20 miles and landed a spitfire mkV on a CV with both elevators missing. does that count? :D
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That's pretty good!
What I saw was about 1/2 the F4u's wing missing. Does that only count as the "tip?" He was floundering around real bad and I took him for dead.
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With the stall limiter on it is possible to fly and land with half a wing without much effort. Your turning performance will suffer drastically though. With it turned off, you will turn better, but staying up with half a wing is much more difficult, but still doable. I'd not want to be too far from base though.
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I spend most of my time in Spits so not sure about any other planes but its real easy.
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on ostwind took my il2s whole left wing off. I used the right as a crumple zone and got a ditch. It takes skillz and luck, and booze.
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Losing 1/2 a wing or wing tip is not to hard to keep plane aloft / in flight........trimming the plane out and keeping speed up makes it even easier, when you begin to slow for the landing dropping flaps will improve the planes lift to a degree.....slowing down to get the flaps out is usually the key factor and the danger zone for rolling it into the ground...... depending on which wing tip is missing will let you know which direction to enter your line up for landing on the runway or a CV......since your aileron is also missing on that side I usually want to keep my good wing to the inside of my turn direction.......with the 1/2 wing outside or angled UP.......
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I have landed a P-51 with half a left wing, it wasn't that easy, it was like trying to land in a heavy cross wind and useing my rudder to keep me from rolling over, I had to float it in at an angle besause the right wing was creating alot of drag, but once I hit the runway, my landing gear gave way, but I lived.
HGpappy
Honor Guards
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If you lose half a wing in the P-51, just drop 1 or 2 notches of flaps, and the plane is much easier to fly. Will even fly straight and level on auto-pilot then.
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Some nasty Ostie did this to my b25, I was close to the ground but enough time to get the gear and flap out.
He didn't get the kill. I drove it back to the field and exited in the hangar
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/Clipboard01.jpg)[/IMG]
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As said above, landing with half a wing missing is not a great challenge, most aircraft are quite docile particularly when you get the flaps down. Trim and flaps are the key.
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/Aces%20High/109Kwinglesslanding2.jpg)
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Hell if you've seen the shape of Corky's planes when he lands....
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Originally posted by Saxman
Hell if you've seen the shape of Corky's planes when he lands....
Corky Lands? Since When?:D
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Originally posted by Anaxogoras
Which aircraft can do this? I shot the wing off an f4u but never got the kill as he drifted down to his airfield. I assume that he "landed.";)
I bet plenty of you have landed without a wing already... but what about on the carrier? Eh? Betchya haven't done that!:lol
I have got plenty of practice flying without a half a wing, i can land on CVs all day long even with them turning;)
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Originally posted by Anaxogoras
I bet plenty of you have landed without a wing already... but what about on the carrier? Eh? Betchya haven't done that!:lol
Given the choice of landing with only 1/2 wing, I'll choose the CV landing over the runway landing every time (in my F4U...). With the landing hook deployed, you eliminate the toughest part of the crippled landing, which for me is keeping it on the runway damaged w/o skidding off. Simply snag a wire, and land your kills!
MtnMan
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I landed an FM2 on one wing on the runway a few weeks ago. TC's post is right on (guess that's why he is a trainer :) ). Keeping speed high and trimming is the trick .
One more thing on the landing, start getting ready for the landing well before the runway. Get the gear out and flaps down as far as you can keeping the plane under control. Do this when you have a little altitude so you have space to get it back under control. Once you get it trimmed out for landing, make a long gradual approach to the runway for landing.
Gunner
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Originally posted by GunnerCAF
One more thing on the landing, start getting ready for the landing well before the runway. Get the gear out and flaps down as far as you can keeping the plane under control. Do this when you have a little altitude so you have space to get it back under control. Once you get it trimmed out for landing, make a long gradual approach to the runway for landing.
Gunner
Well said, this is the most important thing when it comes to landing with control surfaces missing.
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I once broke both wings off a 262 trying to turn to hard. I then shot down 2 b24s and eventually landed on an airfield. I once tried to land something with 1 wing on cv along time ago (think it was a typhy) i crashed into the tower in a firey explosion:( mabey it would of helped if the cv was on the same country as me? idk:aok
merry christmas,
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If this was yesterday about 4PM EST in LW Blue near A7, the F4U may have been mine.
I've been able to land a number of times with most of a wing missing (including once on a carrier), and was able to recover and then hold the aircraft levelish albeit at about 250 mph, with enough control to RTB.
If it was me, then the reason you didn't get the kill was that I was chased 1/2 a sector by one of your brethren in a faster aircraft, who got a pilot kill on me as I approached the field.
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On at least several occasions I've had half a wing blown off, and managed to escape when the opponent pulled off believing I was in a fatal spin. I then manage to recover and limp home.
The key, as mentioned, is airspeed. At least as far as the F4Us go it's best to be in a range where you can get out a notch of flaps. That GREATLY improves stability.
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Just a little while ago I was flying in a 190 and got half my wing shot off the guy who shot me must have took me for dead b/c he broke off. I flew home and tried to land but on my first time around my gear broke off which complicated things. But the second time around i landed safely
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Originally posted by stodd
I once broke both wings off a 262 trying to turn to hard. I then shot down 2 b24s and eventually landed on an airfield. I once tried to land something with 1 wing on cv along time ago (think it was a typhy) i crashed into the tower in a firey explosion:( mabey it would of helped if the cv was on the same country as me? idk:aok
merry christmas,
How could you still fly if both wings were broke off?? You would probably say it would act like a rocket but wouldnt the engines be broken off also??
or is this just another glitch??
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Originally posted by bobtom
How could you still fly if both wings were broke off?? You would probably say it would act like a rocket but wouldnt the engines be broken off also??
or is this just another glitch??
I assume he means wingtips, but yeah, he could have explained a little better.
donkey
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Yea in frame 2 of the last FSO i had my wingtip blown off by a N1K in a F6f. Managed to limp home 2 sectors away and landed succesfully. Took forever.
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yep my bad, I meant wingtips not the whole wing.
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i don't need no steenking weengssss.
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Originally posted by stodd
yep my bad, I meant wingtips not the whole wing.
ok rgr that was confusing but i understand now...
bobtom
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I've landed countless times missing most of a wing. It's not that hard to do, but you need to know the plane you are flying. Some are much easier than others.
The trick is to get the plane slow enough so you can get your flaps out, assuming you still have both of them but keep it fast enough it doesn't stall b4 you get the flaps out. Once you get the flaps out it's almost a walk in the park landing.
I had one almost amazing landing in a P38J. I was at 10-12k engaged with a con. He knocked half my wing off while I was already in a dive and going very fast. I lost control of the plane and fought it all the way to the deck and recovered slightly before hitting the water.
The area was full of cons so I couldn't take the time to slow it down to use flaps. I managed to get it slow enough to get my gears out and touch down of the airfield for a criss cross landing across the field.
While I had landed p38's missing 1/2 wing b4 this one really made me happy because it was an extremely hard landing, because of how hard it had been to save the plane in the air. Well I got it on the ground doing about 150mph but somehow I couldn't miss the Bomber Hanger that I plowed into the side of. :cry
Another time I managed to break off both wing tips on a 262. To my amazement it actually flew pretty good and IMO was a bit faster missing the wing tips. However it was a bit hard to land the thing.
I did managed to get a successful landing but it was pretty tough to get it slow enough to get flaps out and keep it from stalling prior to landing.
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I once had a wingtip removed and was trying to egress from the fight when another con took the other wingtip. This actually helped me as when the other tip was removed I could come off the flaps more and gain speed. Unfortunately 3 cons continued the chase so I decidedto slow and land in the grass.... they were closing. I landed and turned in behind some trees and all three augered into the trees trying to get me. I was then able to take off and return to base.
Never give up!
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Originally posted by Shuffler
I once had a wingtip removed and was trying to egress from the fight when another con took the other wingtip. This actually helped me as when the other tip was removed I could come off the flaps more and gain speed. Unfortunately 3 cons continued the chase so I decidedto slow and land in the grass.... they were closing. I landed and turned in behind some trees and all three augered into the trees trying to get me. I was then able to take off and return to base.
Never give up!
Hahah, brilliant
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Originally posted by bobtom
Just a little while ago I was flying in a 190 and got half my wing shot off the guy who shot me must have took me for dead b/c he broke off. I flew home and tried to land but on my first time around my gear broke off which complicated things. But the second time around i landed safely
One time at Band Camp.........
Wait that is a different story. In regards to landing with half a wing it is very possible. The spit is probably the most stable aircraft missing half a wing.
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Spazz
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Corsair missing half a wing is not tough to fly with rudders and a little aileron trimming. With one notch of flaps down, it is downright easy, and you can go one notch of flaps and full throttle as long as the fuel holds out.
Best half-wing landing story:
The LA7 I'm capping with is missing half a wing. The field is then taken, and the only friendly landing zone within range is the CV - about 5 minutes away. No one has set its course, so it is circling. Great.
Though it was a terrible, ugly landing that resulted in pretty much every part of my plane getting ripped off, I managed to land it and came to a rest upside down, "landing" 4 kills.
So anyway, it is totally possible.
-Llama
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I wondered if it was unrealistic for planes in AH to be able to stay in the air with only half a wing -- until I saw this (from TBF/TBM Avenger Units of World War 2, by Barrett Tillman).
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/tbmHalfWing.jpg)
This TBM made it back and then successfully ditched.
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Shoot, I've seen pics of aircraft with their entire vertical stab blown off and still flying. Yet in AH losing your stab = dead.
Oh, and why does losing ONE horizontal stab automatically blow them BOTH off?
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Because they are modeled as 1 piece. The AH damage model is somewhat simplistic (no offense HTC) in regards to "hit zones" -- both stabs are one zone/piece/area.