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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Carlos on March 30, 2001, 10:18:00 AM
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Is it bird? NO!
Is it a comet? NO!
Is it a man? NO!
Is it a plane? NOT ANYMORE!
Is it an AH bug? NO!, bugs here?, NEVER!!!
Is it a CHEATER?, NO NO NO!!! fundamentalist!!!.There is no such a thing in AH.
IT IS LAG ISSUE, THAT'S ALL FOLKS!!!.
(http://www.terra.es/personal4/choucroute/b26wl1.jpg)
(http://www.terra.es/personal4/choucroute/b26wl2.jpg)
No more comments.
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Its called poor graphic representation for what is actually both wings damaged. Someday, along with cockpits, I hope to see HTC better represent the graphic of damaged wings other than a default '1/2 wing gone' graphic such as you've displayed.
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Rip....pleeeeeeeease!!!!!.
That B26 took all my 20mm amm to its wings and engines.
No one trace of smoke.
No one trace of fuel leak.
It continues flying as steady as a 747.
Bad graphics Rip....Ho ho ho ho.
Christmast is long gone.
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I think Carlos is just mad because he's outta fuel and outta ammo. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mickey
3./JG2 (http://members.home.net/winyah999/3jg2.htm)
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Carlos, I'll garantee you he didn't land. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Been there, lost that. Go back to Warbirds, your troll doesn't have any effect here anymore. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Is Carlos on crack? YES!
Did the B26 make it home safe? WHO CARES!
Are the missing wingtips just an indication of damage? YES!
Could the damage model be better? YES!
Is it really that important? NO!
What's the airspeed velocity of an unlaiden swallow? AFRICAN or EUROPEAN?!
Will Carlos stop with the crack? IT IS A MYSTERY!
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Next time put some rounds in the canopy, but WTH are you doing on his six?
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Voss
13th TAS
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Agreed Voss, these pics showed he 'sprayed and prayed', I prefer wing roots, but from a high angle of attack, and about 45 degrees...never from this position! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Carlos, as I stated before, what has happened is you shot the wingtips off and damaged the wings, graphic representation is a poor one.
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I don't care what the reasoning for that is, it's abnormal and should be fixed.
If it really is a graphical anomoly, then add another graphic for "damaged but not destroyed" wings. If it is an issue with the damage model, fix the DM.
No matter how you rationalize that PIC (and the other many instances of wingless planes flying around), no matter what you say, the fact is it is WRONG. Ragging on the guy who posted it doesn't change the fact that it's WRONG.
J_A_B
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LOL, just consider them *placeholder* damage effects (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Honetly would like to see HTC eventually upgrade/modify the graphics engine in a way that allows for better visuals along these lines.
Y
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JAB, think of it as a "Severity 3" :
"Ya, its not right, but the game plays just fine, and we know what they intended with the place holder"
I consider the lack of A/C more of an importance to help us fill the need for scenarios, historically matchups, etc. before the go back and fix the place holders and/or damage model display graphics. After all, they are only 6...they set the priority of developement and PTF's not us.
In regrds to slamming the guy, look at the content of the post, one slam deserves another.
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Originally posted by J_A_B:
I don't care what the reasoning for that is, it's abnormal and should be fixed.
Sure, it should be improved. I'm sure eventually it will be.
However, it's still better than the damage model in any other (non-vaporware) multiplayer online flight sim.
-- Todd/DMF
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I know what you mean--AH has limited resources for development and some things take precedence--but how would you like to have "placeholder" flight models?
"Yeah, our F4U can climb at 7000 FPM because its FM is only a placeholder. Don't worry, we all know what it is supposed to climb like, and it'll eventually be changed"
THAT wouldn't be popular with anyone (except maybe F4U pilots), so why is a placeholder damage model acceptable?
IMO fixing this issue with the damage/graphics model is more important than adding new stuff. Fix what you have before you add more.
J_A_B
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B26 flies pretty well without wingtips... been there, but with engines running
gliding might be squeaky (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by J_A_B:
I know what you mean--AH has limited resources for development and some things take precedence--but how would you like to have "placeholder" flight models?
Comparing a damage model to a flight model is definitely comparing apples and oranges. They are not equivalent. Many of us lived with AW's crapass damage model for years, but we would have left in a heartbeat if there were gross abberations of the flight model like you mentioned. The same goes with AH.
Also, keep in mind that AH has a very complex damage model -- you can cause variable amounts of damage to the wings, not just wing on/wing off/half wing. The main complaint here revolves around graphical representation of that damage.
First make the planes fly correctly. Then worry about eye candy.
-- Todd/DMF
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JAB, that would be a severity 1, and fixed immediatley...
The FM of the B26 with a damaged wing is behaving correctly, its the graphical representation that is not, thus a lower severity IMO.
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Yep the FM is actually TOO good in these cases, because if you analyze the physics involved, removing the outer sections of the wing should actually give you less drag in level flight in high speeds, and it does in AH. What's missing from AH is the extra parasitic drag from all the jagged metal and holes. And of course the graphical representation needs work.
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Is it just me or does that poor B26 look like an Osprey? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Shhh, us knights are supposed to tell about our secret weapons? hehehhehe
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Paul J. Busiere
Aces High Arena handle: BD5Pilot
http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
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why HTC don't say anything about this in the thread ?
I just want the words of HTC , not from "users".
cya (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I just want the words of HTC , not from "users".
Then send them email or post in the bug report forum. This is the discussion forum.
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Originally posted by funked:
Then send them email or post in the bug report forum. This is the discussion forum.
<shigh>
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Go search through the forums on how the AH damage model works and stop speculating (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
In this case, flight model and damage model goes hand in had due to the way they work together as far as the wings go.
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What's up RAM, another alias?
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This issue is from beta...i think.
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Hmm..surprised Deez was not telling everyone to turn off tracers.
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Originally posted by Olgzr3:
Hmm..surprised Deez was not telling everyone to turn off tracers.
Okay, I will instead.
Turn off tracers. No tracers rules.
-- Todd/DMF
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Originally posted by funked:
What's up RAM, another alias?
<sigh again>
If only some of you could get a clue.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Aw, poor RAM. You're so persicuted.
SOB
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Oh Geez, was that me? I actually rode a B26 in that condition far enough back from a base to ditch it in friendly territory, so it coulda been. Handled remarkably well too. If I remember correctly, I shot down somebody that was tailing me while the buff was in that state.
kidcol2
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Originally posted by SOB:
Aw, poor RAM. You're so persicuted.
SOB
No, SOB, its not me. The problem is that most of you have no clue on what is going on. My <SIGH> is not for me, but for the stupidity and ingenuity of most people here.
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Ahh, cc. It's true, I am generally pretty clueless.
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U've got email.
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I replied to your second email too, but I didn't recieve the first.
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RAM I was kidding you, get a grip. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I just don't know why you were sighing at me though. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 03-31-2001).]
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Originally posted by funked:
I just don't know why you were sighing at me though. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
just trust me, there is a good reason.
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Whaaaaaaatever (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Does this mean that RAM is back? I guess I better unsquelch channel 1....hate to miss a good whine. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Sling322
Not a Monitor!
Fat Drunk Bastards
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This sort of happened to me once against a JU88. It was skimming the waves and smoking badly. I emptied my entire ammmo load into it and it just continued to fly on unscathed. My theory is that the airplane had disco'd and it was a ghost image I was shooting at.
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Spit did this happen in the last week or so? I was in a 88 on the water trailing a yak a spit and a LA7 all broke off at different times, I shot 2 down and had no gear 2 badly damaged engines and no belly gunner and 70 rounds left for my top gunners (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) But I wasnt trailing any smoke. Most of the hits registered were what seemed like 30 cal hits.
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