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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: texasmom on December 26, 2007, 06:08:42 PM
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QUOTE]Originally posted by REP0MAN
Steve lives about 200 miles south of Flagstaff on the west side of the Metro Phoenix area. I assure you, if he has an HOA, he has grass.
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I drove through there near phoenix while visiting family a few years ago. It was almost surreal. One of the HOA neighborhoods was neat & tidy, but there was absolutely NO individuality to any of the homes. You know that book *a wrinkle in time?* That neighborhood was JUST like that. Each house identical. You could just visualize a kid bouncing balls in unison on the front walk & all the Mom's coming to the door at the same time to call them inside. Unbelievable.
I'd have to plant some kind of unauthorized plant/bush out front just to be a rebel.:lol
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Originally posted by texasmom
You know that book *a wrinkle in time?*
I'll bet I'm the only other person here who's read it.
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
I'll bet I'm the only other person here who's read it.
Don't bet too much.
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awww let him bet all he wants to lose.
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Wait Die, I want to find out how much Benny wants to lose..
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Wait Die, I want to find out how much Benny wants to lose..
Me too.
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Or seen The Truman Show, utopian societies are scary indeed:noid
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Originally posted by texasmom
QUOTE]Originally posted by REP0MAN
Steve lives about 200 miles south of Flagstaff on the west side of the Metro Phoenix area. I assure you, if he has an HOA, he has grass.
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I drove through there near phoenix while visiting family a few years ago. It was almost surreal. One of the HOA neighborhoods was neat & tidy, but there was absolutely NO individuality to any of the homes. You know that book *a wrinkle in time?* That neighborhood was JUST like that. Each house identical. You could just visualize a kid bouncing balls in unison on the front walk & all the Mom's coming to the door at the same time to call them inside. Unbelievable.
I'd have to plant some kind of unauthorized plant/bush out front just to be a rebel.:lol [/B][/QUOTE] I used to do some work in Florence, and drove back to Phoenix each night to the motel---ya can drive 20 miles, see NUTHIN but cactus, then 50 houses crammed into 2 acres, then back to afore-mentioned nuthin
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My wife and I liken Irvine CA to Stepford.
I'm still waiting on an invite to the Golf Club...:D
The desire to sit as an official on a HOA should automatically ban one from ever doing so.
Wan't to see what HOA's are really capable of, read this (http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=361168&highlight=flags+texas)
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
I'll bet I'm the only other person here who's read it.
I've read that book a dozen times, and the others. They're great!
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
I'll bet I'm the only other person here who's read it.
Stay out of Vegas.
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I was looking at land in Az a while back.. thinking of moving.. it was strange.. all that space and the people just seemed to cluster together like the land cost a million bucks an acre. it was like.. little chunks of housing here and there.. everyone wanting to live just as close to the next guy as they could.
Course.. if you got out of the subdivisions.. there were no services.. no power or water or sewer. seemed like a state of nothing but little isolated housing tracts.
lazs
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Geez, who hasn't read "A Wrinkle in Time"?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Geez, who hasn't read "A Wrinkle in Time"?
Benny? :cool:
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The majority of AZ. land is still in "public trust", in other words it belongs to the state. The subdivisions we see now (since the 90's) are based on the kaliphornia builder / developer profit mode. Cram as many houses into a plot of land as possible. I've seen houses as close as 6' to 8' apart. Once you buy the land at about $8k to $15k an acre you subdivide it to put 6 to 8 houses on each acre and sell each lot for $8k to $15k, then sell the house to be built on it. They build the houses out of pine frame with a stucco exterior costing about $30.00 a sq ft and sell them for $150.00 a sq ft. it's a hell of a racket. Now with so many folks in kaliphornia "flipping" their houses and retiring they are coming to AZ. and driving the prices through the freaking roof.
The growth rate in Phx has caused a housing shortage and the builders are slapping anything together and getting close to kaliphornia prices on them.
I've lived in 4 HOA's in the Tucson area. HOA's are another import that we didn't need. I won't live in another one again. It's unfortunate that the so called "progressive and liberal" city / county councils, planning division are all sold on the idea that an HOA is the only way to "preserve" the area by only allowing subdivisions with an HOA requirement to be built. The developers have taken the "green" angle to the hilt by cramming the houses together so they can claim they are "preserving" the desert surroundings. Up until they build the next subdivision right next to it.
The last HOA sent me a complaint letter because there were some oil spots (4" diameter total) on my driveway. It was their own maintenance crew truck that put them there. They claimed the property values were being impacted by the presence of the oil spots. I requested an independent appraisal from them to confirm it. I didn't hear any more until I got a complaint letter about the basket ball hoop on the street. It belonged to the neighbor across the street. HOA's are the bastard love child of every person with the desire to have power over their neighbors. They are disgusting to me.
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Originally posted by Maverick
HOA's are the bastard love child of every person with the desire to have power over their neighbors. They are disgusting to me.
haha, mini dictators. :D
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When the HOA tells you you cant have a certan flag or other things hanging about isnt that going aginst your freedom of exprestion??:huh
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Originally posted by red26
When the HOA tells you you cant have a certan flag or other things hanging about isnt that going aginst your freedom of exprestion??:huh
Not if you sign the HOA agreement prior to buying the home. Then you've signed your freedom of expression away... and have no individual ground to stand on.
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Originally posted by red26
When the HOA tells you you cant have a certan flag or other things hanging about isnt that going aginst your freedom of exprestion??:huh
during gulf war 1 a co-worker put up a american flag and got a notice from the HOA telling him to take it down, IE no flags allowed etc, he told them to take it down if they could. The flag stayed up.
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Originally posted by red26
When the HOA tells you you cant have a certan flag or other things hanging about isnt that going aginst your freedom of exprestion??:huh
in a word , yes.
you can legally sign away your rights. this is the main reason you need to read everything, even fine print.
when I was house hunting, I made offer, they throw me a HOA papers up to look at and sign. I withdrew offer without bothering to read it. always asked them does it restrict what I can do on my land and house? they say yes. I tell them I ain't buying it. they say but it protects blah blah blah. I just give them a go to a hot place look and walk out.
not giving legal advice, just saying what might can be. if you need legal advice, go see a lawyer.
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I'm genuinely surprised; I didn't think people read books for fun anymore.
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Sorry TxMom, just saw this....
HOAs are very popular here. In my opinion, they stink. But, if you want to live the "Sea of Stucco", they will make you sign your rights away. Last time I checked, it is against my rights to tell me what I can and cannot do on property I own. Thats why you sign that right away when you move in. Funny thing is, you pay for it to. Monthly HOA fees are assessed from your house payment.
Interesting example of HOAs in operation. I work for Cox Communications. I work in Network Maintenance. We take our trucks home. F450 bucket trucks but under 26k GVW. Guy on our crew lives in an HOA. He parks his truck in his own driveway and gets ticketed for it. Several times. Nappy (Gov. Nepalatano) and the AZ Lawmakers pass a law stating any service oriented employee who either works from home or is on an 'on-call' status are now allowed to circumvent the HOA rule and park in their driveway or in the street in front of property. He still parks there and still gets tickets. Our government services division sends a notice to the HOA reference the new law. Two weeks go by with no tickets. Then, one morning about 5:45am, I get a call on my cell as I am rolling to work. My team mate came out and his truck was GONE! He assumed it was stolen but when we called the police, they said it had been towed. I'm not sure what else happened other than we got our truck back really fast. :)
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:lol Good story Repo. Sad but good.
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I don't know about you but when I go to a book store, I really want the shelves more than the books. That comes of having more than 2500 of them (that is just what is out, and doesn't include those in storage) E books may save me, I can get about a thousand plus per gig of thumb drive.
Regards,
Kevin
Originally posted by Benny Moore
I'm genuinely surprised; I didn't think people read books for fun anymore.
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in a word , yes.
you can legally sign away your rights. this is the main reason you need to read everything, even fine print.
Well that just sucks:huh
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It is just the socialism model.. HOA gives every bitter little watermelon the authority to make people unhappy. He is unhappy sooo.. anyone who seems to be happy or is in any way an individual.. he gets to go after em and spoil it for em.
He gets to have power without confrontation.. everyone is the same. just as frigging misserable as the next guy.
lazs
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Got a call from a friend several years ago, his HOA was prohibiting him from giving bagpipe lessons in his house. Never heard the outcome.
Would never live in a neighborhood run by an HOA.
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Good news is HOAs make and enforce rules for the collective benefit of the community.
Bad news is HOAs make and enforce rules for the collective benefit of the community.
My impeccable taste needs no governance, but I'm not sure about yours.
:O
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We actually live in an HOA, had to get permission last summer to put up a wooden fence (had a steel one before). We submitted it along with 2 other households to replace the fencing, each was responsible for putting up the fence within 60 days at their own cost, and they HOA required a certain size of plank and wood. That lumber was only available at a location across town:rolleyes: Anyway, our household and one other got the fences up, the third family is just lazy or something.
Anywho, we can really do anything we want in our backyard now, so long as it' not completely out there. We were probably supposed to get approved for planting trees, never did. HOA around here is pretty lenient though, not bitter old birds just middle aged folk trying to get along like the rest of the community.