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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Citabria on December 27, 2007, 04:13:57 AM
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I've read numerous stories on german mortar rocket tubes being jettisoned after being used. the drag from these tubes is enormous.
the option to jetison the weight and drag from the tubes before or after use would make this never used weapon more attractive as its adverse effects could be discarded when in a pinch.
also a popup in the loadscreen lettign noobs know this is an air to air rocket with a timed fuze would be good too. I don't think the general noob population knows this.
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i dont think we have the same rockets.mortar rockets were shot upward at bombers bellys i believe.
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I agree 100%. The air-to-air rocket tubes must be jettisonable.
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Originally posted by jon
i dont think we have the same rockets.
WGr. 21 is short for Wurfgranate 21cm - literally translated as "thrown grenade". It's a deriative of the infantry 21cm Nebelwerfer 42 , which is often called a mortar, but is actually a rocket launcher.
(http://www.panzer.punkt.pl/artykuly/kursk/niem/Kursk-nebel.jpg)
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This would be nice...I use the A2A rockets on 110s and it would be nice to get rid of them. ;)
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I asked Hitech about this years ago, IIRC he said it would never happen, because then there would be no downside to taking the rockets.
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Like there is no downside to taking drop tanks?
Not to hijack, but they should also only allow external tanks when your internal tanks are full.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I asked Hitech about this years ago, IIRC he said it would never happen, because then there would be no downside to taking the rockets.
IMO the way they are now there's no upside to taking them for air to air use. It's very difficult to hit bombers with them, and you still have the weight and drag of the tubes after you use them.
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They can be amazing for taking out bomber boxes, once you figure out how to use them.
I never did learn how, but I tried a few times in the DA. They are interesting weapons.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I asked Hitech about this years ago, IIRC he said it would never happen, because then there would be no downside to taking the rockets.
So historical accuracy is not important? I'm sorry if this is offensive, but if he actually said that then he's an idiot.
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Originally posted by Viking
So historical accuracy is not important? I'm sorry if this is offensive, but if he actually said that then he's an idiot.
:lol :aok
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Originally posted by Viking
So historical accuracy is not important? I'm sorry if this is offensive, but if he actually said that then he's a putz.
<--- puts some ribs in the smoker, chills beer and waits for the inevitable reply from Hitech :cool:
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Originally posted by Viking
So historical accuracy is not important? I'm sorry if this is offensive, but if he actually said that then he's an idiot.
:huh
Well now we're never going to be able to jettison the empty tubes.
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Originally posted by TUXC
:huh
Well now we're never going to be able to jettison the empty tubes.
Oh? You think he's vindictive?
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Originally posted by Delirium
Like there is no downside to taking drop tanks?
Not to hijack, but they should also only allow external tanks when your internal tanks are full.
I agree 100%.
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Originally posted by Viking
Oh? You think he's vindictive?
I dunno, but I bet if you sent him a case of scotch we'd get the jettisonable rocket tubes and R4Ms for the Me 262.
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the downside of taking the rockets is the slow climbrate and weight and difficulty getting the plane in a position for the rockets to be fired.
with full throttle buffs doing 300mph at altitude... well try catching them in a 190a8 or 109g14 or 110g2 with rockets loaded.
it takes some considerable forethought to be in a position to intercept a buff formation in these planes with these weapons...
and then after all that effort 3 out of 4 times your going to completely miss anyways.
the frustration level is enormous.
no one uses the rockets. would be nice to see them used.
if you follow historical precident that says german pilots had a mechanism to jettison the tubes it should be modelled in aces high.
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Originally posted by TUXC
I dunno, but I bet if you sent him a case of scotch we'd get the jettisonable rocket tubes and R4Ms for the Me 262.
I'm sorry, but I hate fanboyism. I am a paying customer and I insist on acting like one.
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I found the quote.
Posted by HT on 11-25-02, directed towards Hazed.
"We try look into any VALID discussion of flight modling that could be incorect, and have responded to some like the rocket pod jetison before.
That question is a choice on our part to make them not jetisonable, because all players would just jetison after use, and that is not how they were used. The jetison was for emergancy only, and not disposable. There for in an effort to be more realistic we chose not to have them jetisonable. And now once again just this statment will lead to another heated argument."
I doubt he has changed his mind. The rockets have a place in scenarios, but not really in the MA.
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Being engaged in combat was considered an "emergency". A German fighter pilot who found himself in combat would jettison drop tanks and rocket tubes (even if they were not yet spent). Hitech may not be an idiot, but he is wrong in this case.
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ok so where in this game after firing the rockets do you anticipate not being engaged by enemy fighters?
that 190a8 is going to stroll on home in a scenario vs the 8th air force where the scenario designers stack the escorts numbers "because the buffs need more help"
i cant think of a better example than a scenario like der gush shlag where the 190 staffels were at all times engaged by mustangs while attacking the buffs.
The MA is one big emergency after another. soon as you kill a buff with a rocket better check six because an la7 just took off and is now at 10k on your 190a8s six and you cant out run out turn or out dive or out climb him.
sounds like an emergency to me.
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If the weapons meant to be used against bombers have to have artificial "realism" constraints, how come the bombers themselves are free of any such hinderances?
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I said all the same things you are saying 5 years ago Fester.
It doesn't look like he is going to change his mind.
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Found this on another forum. Has links to several 190A-5/A-6 manuals:
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/other-mechanical-systems-tech/fw-190-manual-5046.html
"In an emergency, the launching tubes can be released by severing the carrier struts with explosive charges. To fire charges, activate toggle switch. . . To prevent accidental actuation of the toggle switch, it is held in the safe position by a spring-loaded plate."
pp32-34 are on the rockets (translated to English)
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/other-mechanical-systems-tech/33563d1157723088-fw-190-manual-fw-190.pdf
this one (in German) is also on the rockets
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/other-mechanical-systems-tech/40653d1173737340-fw-190-manual-fw-190-part-8-c.pdf
I can't see jettisoning rocket tubes so that you're not a sitting duck against an enemy fighter any less realistic than the regular use of landing flap settings while dogfighting and using Il-2s as fighters, both of which occur frequently in the MA.
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INteresting discussion
Waits for the resident /owner/ now what was that term... oh yeah...idiot...
to respond....
NwBie
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