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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: jaxxo on December 27, 2007, 09:21:25 AM
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Ive taken alot of grief latlely about flying spitfires...especially from veterans who PM me with the usual " tard..spitdweeb..." etc...one guy actually said it makes him sick to see vets in newbplanes
My question is this...why would you get upset when you get spanked by a spitfire as opposed to any other "respectable" planes? It amuses me how a pilot will attack from an advantage and expect to easily kill the "spitdweeB" and than end up cryin and whining about the guy flying the plane who just smacked him depsite the situation.
Is a p40 at 10k bnz"ing a 2k spitfire any better lol? How bout a group of 6 P38 all divin on one lowly con?
Anyway I think its all nonsense...how you fly not what you fly is what makes the pilot IMO
So all you whiners..I will continue to fly my spitty's in to your horde at 5k..if you happen to kill me in your jugmodeld11supervetimcool ride wtg! :D
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They'll always whine when you kill them, no matter what plane you're in.I got pmed for fighting in an Il-2.Squelch is a good thing then.
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LOL love the spitty V.
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Just up a -4 hog on em instead:aok
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There are no dweeb planes, only dweeb pilots.
Fly whatever ya' feel like flying.
I had one of those so called "Vets" (I don't consider 'em as such, more like a "Dweeb that has flown for a couple years") give me all kinds of hassle over landing 5 kills in a spit one sortie. (a couple of the were said pilot)
So I landed 5 in an F6F.
Then 5 more in a Yak.
Then only 3-4 in a C202, but I ran out o' nme.
It ain't the plane, it's the pilot.
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<------- spit dweeb not a dweebfire dweeb
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Your not pilot's your gamer's:aok
Carry on:D
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Those are the same guys landing all their kills in Tempests, F4U-4's, C-Hogs and 262's.
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Originally posted by croduh
[BI got pmed for fighting in an Il-2.[/B]
IL2's still the best dogfighter in the game! :D
Anywho...The thing is, when someone sees a spit, they think it's a Spit16 right off the bat. The older model spit's deserve more respect IMO. If you are fighting a Nik, LA7, Spixteen, say in a Spit1 and you shoot the plane down, the person you shot down shouldn't whine. Although they always will.
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First why tune 200? All you are dealing with are squeakers and guys with older bodies and squeaker mentalities. Spits rock! End of that story.
I concur with acfireguy26. Knocking a late model ride down with Spit V's makes it all the sweeter!
Oink
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Its a game and meant to be entertainment.Somone telling me what to fly in AH would be like someone coming into my house and telling me to change the channel on my TV hehehheh Fly what your interested in,have fun,its a game and far to trivial to base your man hood on
Pipz
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I really don't mind if folks want to fly an easier to fly plane.... I just can't get it out of my head that we used those in H2H to get new pilots up and running because they are easy to fly. The game is for everyone and so are the choices.
If your flying a Spit1 in LW now that can be a real challenge... as can P-40s... to ya so go have fun!
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Isn't this just a matter of aircraft popularity?
The Spitfire is easy to fly, retains e like a photon, and has dangerous, high-velocity cannons. It's for these reasons that we see more Spitfires than anything else, and therefore people complain. Q.E.D. :aok
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I don't see why you shouldn't fly a plane if you're successful in it. Most people are usually just bitter they lost.
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Why did i love the spit so much? Because it was the best tool to kill everything in the sky. I felt that if i died i couldn't use my ride as a excuse. I really dislike people that dont flying late war rides because that way they always had a excuse.
Jaxxo if i remember correctly you would bust my bolls because of my spit.
The way i resolved comments on 200 about my spit was to ask them to DA in their ride. If what they were saying was the truth then i should have no chance in any other bird.
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Originally posted by Anaxogoras
Isn't this just a matter of aircraft popularity?
The Spitfire is easy to fly, retains e like a photon, and has dangerous, high-velocity cannons. It's for these reasons that we see more Spitfires than anything else, and therefore people complain. Q.E.D. :aok
CORRECT, CORRECT, CORRECT
Usually it's: " That spitdweeb just HO'd/cherrypicked/rammed me" which translates into: I was just "killed" because I was stupid and got in front of someone's guns".
I could care less what someone else thinks or says, I paid my $15.00 and I will fly what ever is fun at the moment. An aircraft isn't necessarily "better" because it is difficult to "fly", it's just more difficult. Easy to control aircraft reflect a design that is stable. I hard to control airplane is that way because the designer traded stability in favor of another trait (for example the torque of a bf-110 is difficult to deal with, but it fantastic in the roll axis where the p38 rolls like a buff but is an easy plane to control because of the contra-rotating props)
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I flew the Hurricane I and IIC predominantly and I never had an excuse except that I'm a terrible pilot. It's never the plane's fault.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
I really don't mind if folks want to fly an easier to fly plane.... I just can't get it out of my head that we used those in H2H to get new pilots up and running because they are easy to fly. The game is for everyone and so are the choices.
If your flying a Spit1 in LW now that can be a real challenge... as can P-40s... to ya so go have fun!
Some of us like Spitfires because of their history and would still pick them if they handled like pregnant P-40s.
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Originally posted by jaxxo
My question is this...why would you get upset when you get spanked by a spitfire as opposed to any other "respectable" planes?
If this is a rhetorical thread, then it managed to get some predicted "fly what you want" support.
If it's a real question, then at least one possible answer is that a talented pilot (which you plainly are!) who is flying an easy-to-fly, it-can-do-anything plane armed with easy-to-get-a-kill guns has just equipped himself with every advantage and launched himself into an arena where most competitors have inferior combinations. Everyone will agree that there are appropriate times for this (as when defending a swarmed base); not everyone will agree that it makes for a challenging competition on other occasions.
- oldman (but I expect you knew this)
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Originally posted by jaxxo
Ive taken alot of grief latlely about flying spitfires...especially from veterans who PM me with the usual " tard..spitdweeb..." etc...one guy actually said it makes him sick to see vets in newbplanes
My question is this...why would you get upset when you get spanked by a spitfire as opposed to any other "respectable" planes? It amuses me how a pilot will attack from an advantage and expect to easily kill the "spitdweeB" and than end up cryin and whining about the guy flying the plane who just smacked him depsite the situation.
Is a p40 at 10k bnz"ing a 2k spitfire any better lol? How bout a group of 6 P38 all divin on one lowly con?
Anyway I think its all nonsense...how you fly not what you fly is what makes the pilot IMO
So all you whiners..I will continue to fly my spitty's in to your horde at 5k..if you happen to kill me in your jugmodeld11supervetimcool ride wtg! :D
As long as you are having fun, who cares what the other guy thinks of what you fly?
If I wasn't a 38G dweeb, i'd be flying Spits. Love the history of the Spit and as far as i can tell it flies like it's supposed to. I like fighting em in the 38G too.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Some of us like Spitfires because of their history and would still pick them if they handled like pregnant P-40s.
There is truth to this. For some of us the history is why we fly a particular bird. It adds to the game when you can 'pretend' to be one of those guys you've learned about.
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Originally posted by jaxxo
My question is this...why would you get upset when you get spanked by a spitfire as opposed to any other "respectable" planes? It amuses me how a pilot will attack from an advantage and expect to easily kill the "spitdweeB" and than end up cryin and whining about the guy flying the plane who just smacked him depsite the situation.
I forgot to anwser your question.
The reason they complain is they are under a mistaken assumption that you killed them because of the plane you were in, as opposed to the pilot that you are (and I guess the pilot they aren't)
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Ive taken alot of grief latlely about flying spitfires.
Yannow, most of those dweebs do this just to get a reaction. I don't understand why anyone bothers to give them the audience they are craving by drawing further attention to them.
Ignore the idiots.
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I think the deal is the Spitfire FM, like the real plane, flies super sweet.
To see a capable vet drive one, even though they are a kick in the pants, seems sort of.....well, dweebish :aok
Bottom line: Do whatever it is that pleases you, its your subscription.
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Real men fly Ostwinds.
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Originally posted by jaxxo
Anyway I think its all nonsense...how you fly not what you fly is what makes the pilot IMO
True and fly what ever you want. But flying spits is equivilant to playing the game in easy mode and you'll rarely get any respect as a good stick unless your very exceptional, e.g constantly winning 1 vs many engagements from a bad position.
As flying a spit requires less skill to do well then almost any other aircraft especially the sixteen, which is why they are a good leaners plane to start of with. Hence most look upon it and always will as a dweebfire and those that fly them on a constant basis as dweebs.
Personally (as some do) I prefer the challange of something more interesting then a Spit or any of the top tier popular rides. You might get less kills and takes a while to come to grips with but it's far more challanging and hence rewarding.
...-Gixer
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I like running into spits, the only spit model faster than my P38L is the Spit14 and I hardly encounter them. Therefore spits can't run from me (for long) and usually hang around for a fight. I don't like running into 190s, tiffies and la7s because they tend to run from me and I find it boring.
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hey, he's getting better, he's not in a La7 anymore at least
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Bottom line those said vet pilots expect to find noobs when they get a vet in a spit they get whipped. They cry foul u killed my uber f4 uc or the 109k
30mm as lute said not the plane its the pilot.
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Originally posted by DH367th
Bottom line those said vet pilots expect to find noobs when they get a vet in a spit they get whipped. They cry foul u killed my uber f4 uc or the 109k
30mm as lute said not the plane its the pilot.
Thats incorrect you can tell a noob in anything in the first three seconds by the way they merge.
True it's not the plane it's the pilot thing, but a dweebfire helps alot further then almost any other plane to maketh the pilot.
...-Gixer
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People hate the spitfire, because they have no real opinions of their own, and merely repeat what has been endlessly repeated to them- that the Spitfires are the best planes, and that the people who fly them are stupid dweebs.
These are the same people who think their choice in cartoon planes makes a statement about the kind of person they are, or that what they do in a cartoon airplane game really matters to anyone but themselves.
I pity such people.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
These are the same people who think their choice in cartoon planes makes a statement about the kind of person they are, or that what they do in a cartoon airplane game really matters to anyone but themselves.
I pity such people.
So you get most of your flying a spit then? That and I'm betting on a Ostie.
...-Gixer
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I fly the spits because I dont have the patience to grab 14k every sorty and choose SA over acm's...that being said I almost always fly severely outnumbered and in base defense mode...Im taking the best plane I can find for the fight If im gonna get ganged lol...the spit allows me to at least kill 2 or 3 before the eventual raping. Now gixer if was winging with 5 others and cherrypicking low cons constantly I wouldnt need to fly it would I? The gameplay dictates my choice of rides...I used to love ruining Freebirds mission's with an LA7 at 10k...think I could do that in an F6F with great success? Fact is they just couldnt catch me and when they did the uberness of the lgay gave me more of a fighting chance :D
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Originally posted by Gixer
So you get most of your flying a spit then? That and I'm betting on a Ostie.
...-Gixer
If you're going to pull the stats card, look back a few tours as well.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Those are the same guys landing all their kills in Tempests, F4U-4's, C-Hogs and 262's.
I am a Pilot, vitual maybe but still a pilot I am I am I am.
I've been flying the spit recently with some success. Use to just fly hog variations or b and z ers. However I wanted to mix it up some so why not the spit. Frankly, I have more respect for a guy who can get kills in a spit than those that just b & z.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
If you're going to pull the stats card, look back a few tours as well.
I didn't was a guess, stats take too long to load on my current connection.
...Gixer
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Originally posted by Getback
I have more respect for a guy who can get kills in a spit than those that just b & z.
AMEN...I think kill shooter should activate when one plane is 100mph faster then the other plane:D End of the B&Z'es
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Originally posted by Getback
I am a Pilot, vitual maybe but still a pilot I am I am I am.
I've been flying the spit recently with some success. Use to just fly hog variations or b and z ers. However I wanted to mix it up some so why not the spit. Frankly, I have more respect for a guy who can get kills in a spit than those that just b & z.
I was talking about the guys whining about vets in Spits being the same guys landing all their kills in uber perk planes.
IMO landing kills in a Spit XVI is less dweeby than in a Temp or 262 or any of the others I mentioned the first time.
I love Spits although my K/D suffers in them because I fly them into situations I have no business being in. :)
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I have more respect for a guy who can get kills in a spit than those that just b & z.
This is very slanted language. We can also oppose "b&z" with yank-and-bank, or whatever else you like.
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At least he didn't call it bore and snore.
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Seems to be some confusion ..... some folks seem to think spits do not B&Z.... most I see start out that way. I'll take my 38 in low or high. If I am getting a cramp in my neck looking up all the time I'll come back with a little more alt. I prefer the fight on the deck. The 38 is very nimble on the deck but... you have to learn to fly it, it is not as simple as the spit is to fly.
Just last night Corky, Myself, Soulyss, Stogey and a few others were coming in low even though many on the oposing side were high.... just to add to the fun.
I get my share of kills in this fashion.
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Taters for Spitfires.
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Bottom line those said vet pilots expect to find noobs when they get a vet in a spit they get whipped.
A grain of unpleasant truth there, heh.
Really, a "vet" is merely a higher class of dweebs who would abide by this strange logic that for some reason, the amount of time they've spent in the game, or a generally 'inferior' plane type they choose to fly, somehow makes them different from other dweebs. Unfortunately, every 'vet' does what any dweeb would do - fly the way he wants, that would best ensure his survival.
They say they don't care of survival, and people should learn to fight more. But really, all of you, the next time you log on to MA, try keep a track of where you meet the "vet" guys or "vet" squads, under which circumstances. You'll quickly notice they enjoy the thrill of the fight, only when they know the odds are they would win in that fight.
Generally speaking, this comes with a convenient assortment of benevolent factors such as;
1) flying and cooperating with other "vets" only, and generally treating the lesser pilots as fishbait.
2) flying under areas of local air superiority
3) flying where there's a good-sized attack going on, where his own side has the initiative, but not a really large horde, since in such hordes kills would be rare
4) flying in an 'easy defense', where 2~3 sucky pilots would constantly come over to one's own field to become easy kills
5) flying in an 'easy beachhead defense', where there are sizeable amount of defenders, fighting against carrier-based planes with usually inferior specs than land-based planes
6) clandestinely picking a base with one or two friends while in a 'mid-war plane', and luring meager pilots to defend the base so he can engage them with a 5k alt advantage everytime
.. and etc etc..
Ofcourse, that's not a bad thing. Every pilot does that.
Except, "vets" deny they do that. That's the funny part. They treat it as if its a wrong thing, and expect every lesser pilot to come out and become easy fodder. Nobody tells any of them how they should spend their 15 dollars, so why they become so touchy when the meager 'dweebs' refuse to fly in the way the vets would prefer, is beyond me.
In the end, someone sent jaxxo hate mails for what he flew. jaxxo recognized them as "vets".
For some reason, they were pis*ed at him, and I have a fleeting guess that it was because he flew in the manner the vets didn't like (namely, in a manner that shot them down), and flew a plane the vets didn't like (namely, in planes they'd usually have assumed were being flown by n00bs and thus, easy kills). While such action may not be representative of all the "vets", it does tell you a lot on just how some of those "vets" really work in the MA ;)
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Jaxxo you know you could up a Spit1, fly thru a furball, land 4-5 kills and still be called a spitdweeb. Face it, the arenas are loaded with cartoon egos who choose to act like cartoon crybabies.
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Fly what you want. They are not paying the $15 show tell the STFU
JUGMAN
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this is just my opinion but i find there is alot of rude people in this game. I mean taunting and a little boasting is one thing, hell i do it and i know im not that good =). I'm happy being in the top 500 LOL.
But to pick on guys who like to fly the spit or other "dweeb rides" is just stupid especially if they just got tore down by one. If your in a pony and a spit got ya more than likely you got slow with bad SA.
And as for dweeb planes i've seen and shot down alot of so called vets / good sticks that bash them flying them as well, like the LA.
but it's not gonna stop so i just ignore 90% of 200 because its a bunch of pple that want to see there name. In the end fly what ya want and so will i unless ENY has its way.
Disclaimer: Veiws here are not to be taken seriously if oyu do you need to get outside more and get away from the Comp monitor. :rolleyes: :D
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Originally posted by Kweassa
In the end, someone sent jaxxo hate mails for what he flew. jaxxo recognized them as "vets".
For some reason, they were pis*ed at him, and I have a fleeting guess that it was because he flew in the manner the vets didn't like (namely, in a manner that shot them down), and flew a plane the vets didn't like (namely, in planes they'd usually have assumed were being flown by n00bs and thus, easy kills). While such action may not be representative of all the "vets", it does tell you a lot on just how some of those "vets" really work in the MA ;)
Now, Kweassa, pay attention here. Jaxxo is a vet himself and a very fine pilot (I can personally attest to this). Jaxxo's post, on its face at least, asks why other vets make fun of his plane selection. The answers posted in this thread break down into three groups: (1) the plane has nothing to do with it, your peers are just mad you shot them; (2) given your experience level, you're not handicapping yourself as you should; and (3) don't worry, be happy. The notion that experienced players ought to move to more difficult planes is one that is held by a significant number of people - vets and new folks alike - and may be deserving of discussion on its merits, rather than maligning the character of the players who hold it.
- oldman
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The notion that experienced players ought to move to more difficult planes is one that is held by a significant number of people - vets and new folks alike - and may be deserving of discussion on its merits, rather than maligning the character of the players who hold it.
Perhaps, but if so, it should be on their own terms and in accordance with their own agenda, rather than because it's being "dictated" by the comments of others who often seem to hold others to a different standard than they hew to themselves.
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I can't believe someone actually took time to email insults regarding plane ride. That is just too funny. Seems they need to go experience real life more. On the other hand you can't be thin skinned flying in here..... just not worth letting it get to you. I always refer to spits as trainers because to me that is what they were used for in H2H. But to email or pm insults is rediculous. Historically it was a great plane.
There is one guy that flies in here that PMs insults every time you shoot him down..... even though he usually has alt and a so called dweeb ride. I understand he does this to most everyone. I'd probably not post his name if I could remember it.... but of course he is of so little importance..... I can't be bothered to remember it.
As has been said many times over it's your nickel......:)
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Originally posted by Shuffler
There is one guy that flies in here that PMs insults every time you shoot him down..... even though he usually has alt and a so called dweeb ride.
0LD>>>:t
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It is a funny accusation, considering how many experienced players fly LA-7s, N1K2s, P-51Ds, and C-Hogs.
....like they are "fighting the good fight" against the odds in an inferior ride hehe.
Its your $14.95, do what you want...
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List of dweeb planes I got after just because the are lame.
1. Spixqueen
2. Lghay
3. AH-64 Niki
4. Phony
5. Iffy
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Originally posted by Kweassa
A grain of unpleasant truth there, heh.
Really, a "vet" is merely a higher class of dweebs who would abide by this strange logic that for some reason, the amount of time they've spent in the game, or a generally 'inferior' plane type they choose to fly, somehow makes them different from other dweebs. Unfortunately, every 'vet' does what any dweeb would do - fly the way he wants, that would best ensure his survival.
They say they don't care of survival, and people should learn to fight more. But really, all of you, the next time you log on to MA, try keep a track of where you meet the "vet" guys or "vet" squads, under which circumstances. You'll quickly notice they enjoy the thrill of the fight, only when they know the odds are they would win in that fight.
Generally speaking, this comes with a convenient assortment of benevolent factors such as;
1) flying and cooperating with other "vets" only, and generally treating the lesser pilots as fishbait.
2) flying under areas of local air superiority
3) flying where there's a good-sized attack going on, where his own side has the initiative, but not a really large horde, since in such hordes kills would be rare
4) flying in an 'easy defense', where 2~3 sucky pilots would constantly come over to one's own field to become easy kills
5) flying in an 'easy beachhead defense', where there are sizeable amount of defenders, fighting against carrier-based planes with usually inferior specs than land-based planes
6) clandestinely picking a base with one or two friends while in a 'mid-war plane', and luring meager pilots to defend the base so he can engage them with a 5k alt advantage everytime
.. and etc etc..
Ofcourse, that's not a bad thing. Every pilot does that.
Except, "vets" deny they do that. That's the funny part. They treat it as if its a wrong thing, and expect every lesser pilot to come out and become easy fodder. Nobody tells any of them how they should spend their 15 dollars, so why they become so touchy when the meager 'dweebs' refuse to fly in the way the vets would prefer, is beyond me.
In the end, someone sent jaxxo hate mails for what he flew. jaxxo recognized them as "vets".
For some reason, they were pis*ed at him, and I have a fleeting guess that it was because he flew in the manner the vets didn't like (namely, in a manner that shot them down), and flew a plane the vets didn't like (namely, in planes they'd usually have assumed were being flown by n00bs and thus, easy kills). While such action may not be representative of all the "vets", it does tell you a lot on just how some of those "vets" really work in the MA ;)
WELL SAID!!
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Originally posted by MajIssue
WELL SAID!!
Don't encourage him. :)
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Originally posted by jaxxo
Ive taken alot of grief latlely about flying spitfires...especially from veterans who PM me with the usual " tard..spitdweeb..." etc...one guy actually said it makes him sick to see vets in newbplanes ....
Are theese the same "Vets" who fly La-7s 90% of the time?
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Also seems as if our perception of the definition of a "vet" varies.
To me a vet is a veteran, which in AH terms has been around a very long time and knows the ropes. To me this would be people that have been around since AH1. Vets tend to be good sticks because of their experience. They know a lot about their favorite plane, and the rest of the plane set for that matter.
Some view Vets as people that get kills often. The problem I have with this is Player X may land more kills than me, however when I run into Player X in his plane of choice, I beat him. They get big egos because so many newer players say how great they are... compared to them. When they get shot down they tend to make up excuses, or accuse of cheating. "There is no way your plane out turned my plane!"
Then there are those (Roc) that think vets in AH are referring to Veterinarians, the people that he takes his sheep to when they are feeling sick.
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Originally posted by Raptor
Also seems as if our perception of the definition of a "vet" varies.
To me a vet is a veteran, which in AH terms has been around a very long time and knows the ropes. To me this would be people that have been around since AH1. Vets tend to be good sticks because of their experience. They know a lot about their favorite plane, and the rest of the plane set for that matter.
Some view Vets as people that get kills often. The problem I have with this is Player X may land more kills than me, however when I run into Player X in his plane of choice, I beat him. They get big egos because so many newer players say how great they are... compared to them. When they get shot down they tend to make up excuses, or accuse of cheating. "There is no way your plane out turned my plane!"
Then there are those (Roc) that think vets in AH are referring to Veterinarians, the people that he takes his sheep to when they are feeling sick.
Ummmm Well Said :rofl :rofl :rofl