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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: kamilyun on December 31, 2007, 09:25:29 PM
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Anyone here know a reputable on-line dealer in Luger parts? Or a definitive website with serial # descriptions? Did a quick Google and found a ton, but hoping someone here can point me the right way.
My wife (yes, my wife) was given a Luger by her grandmother who is cleaning up her house. It's serial # is xxxxish(xxxx IIRC). Wasn't really cared for, for about 60 years, but works (shot 20 rounds last weekend). Moderate pitting. Wood grips are decent.
I'd like to learn a bit about it's history, maintenance and replacement parts. Be nice to keep it in working condition for a box or two of rounds per year.
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Might ask here:
http://www.gunsworld.com/p08/p08_home_us.html
Thier forum
http://www.gunsworld.com/phpBB2/index.php?c=3
For some reason I've always been partial to the successor to the Lugar the P38 :)
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NEVER give the serial number on a public forum. If you can, get it deleted ASAP. There's a reason that you see the serial numbers "xxx"'d out in magazines when readers send them in.
What you need to look for is the actual manufacturer, and the proof marks.
Go to http://www.galleryofguns.com . You should find what you need there. There is a section there where you'll find the largest supply of gun parts around.
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numrich arms is a good source for parts. or was.
lazs
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Numrich is now found at http://www.e-gunparts.com
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Numrich is found at gallery of guns dot com.
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I still have one of their old catalogs from the the early 80's I think.. you can get almost a whole luger in parts. Last thing I bought from em was a couple years back and I got a cyl latch for a long action 1917 smith. They need to be hand fitted btw.
lazs
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Numrich is found at gallery of guns dot com.
Actually, the gallery of guns site just has a link to Numrich's actual site.
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http://www.lugerforum.com/
I found some of the folks at this site to be very helpful quite a while back when I was trying to get info on a Luger that I owned.
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Congrats on the Luger, kamilyun. After my grandfather died I was cleaning out his house and came across a Luger and a 1911A1 up at the top of his closet. Both were still loaded. I took them, cleaned them, oiled them and they both shot fine. I later found out the 1911 was the pistol my grandfather was issued before leaving for England. It is a Remington Rand model. It was still kept in the holster it was issued with. He had two mags in the mag pouch still loaded as well.
The Luger only had the one mag. It also only had four 9mm rounds loaded in the mag, I can only speculate that the rounds are the ones that were found on the Luger and the few rounds missing were the shots my Grandfather and his buddy's fired off after getting the weapon.
The 1911 has been appraised at 1500$. I would never think of selling it, but I wanted to insure it for what it was worth. It sits in an unloaded condition in my safe. The 1911 and the Luger are too of my favorite guns from my collection. Mostly for the history of both weapons.
Good luck getting that Luger back into shape. Maybe you will get lucky and get some good info about that weapon, like where it was manufactured, when, where and how. That kind of stuff always interested me. Trust me, there is a story behind that gun, it is fun to try to find out what it is.
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Numrich is just amazing. I went there hoping to get at least a comparable replacement sight ramp for an old and somewhat rare children's .22 single shot rifle (H&R Sahara), and ended up finding the exact replacement ramp for the specific rifle.
Charon
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If the Luger is original, do as little to it as possible to keep it's collecter value. If you start doing things like refinishing it you will have greatly diminished the collecter value of it. Shooting it won't hurt the value but doing anything much to it in the way of refurbishing will hurt it's value.
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Originally posted by Maverick
If the Luger is original, do as little to it as possible to keep it's collecter value. If you start doing things like refinishing it you will have greatly diminished the collecter value of it. Shooting it won't hurt the value but doing anything much to it in the way of refurbishing will hurt it's value.
Unfortunately, someone (not me or my wife) did try and clean it...removed some of the original finish on a few of the parts. I wanted to take the original wood parts off and store them b/c they show some cracks in a few places and I don't want them to fall apart. Some replacements would be just for the few times I shoot it.
Originally posted by BBBB
Congrats on the Luger, kamilyun. After my grandfather died I was cleaning out his house and came across a Luger and a 1911A1 up at the top of his closet. Both were still loaded. I took them, cleaned them, oiled them and they both shot fine. I later found out the 1911 was the pistol my grandfather was issued before leaving for England. It is a Remington Rand model. It was still kept in the holster it was issued with. He had two mags in the mag pouch still loaded as well.
Nice coincidence :) I also have a 1911A1 from my grandfather. Believe it or not, my mother wanted to turn it in to the police to "get rid of it". Gawdalmighty! It was his service issue pistol as well.
I shoot the 1911 every Christmas with my brother. Just 2 or 3 boxes. Clean it up, oil and store it for next year. Plan on doing the same with the Luger (it's a 7.65 mm). Plenty of guns in museums, I like to use them just a little for the history/family connection.
Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
NEVER give the serial number on a public forum. If you can, get it deleted ASAP. There's a reason that you see the serial numbers "xxx"'d out in magazines when readers send them in.
What you need to look for is the actual manufacturer, and the proof marks.
Go to http://www.galleryofguns.com . You should find what you need there. There is a section there where you'll find the largest supply of gun parts around.
Thanks. Will see if Skuzzy can help me delete them...I can't at this point. What do people do with the S/Ns that are publicly posted? Stamp a fake and try and sell it?
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Don't know enough about Lugers, but doesn't the fact it's 7.65mm put it either WW1 or pre WW2?
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the luger is pre ww1 i dont know when it was first made but i think it was in the 1900 before 1910 and maby in the very late 1800
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Originally posted by splitatom
the luger is pre ww1 i dont know when it was first made but i think it was in the 1900 before 1910 and maby in the very late 1800
designed pre WW1 but in production far longer then that.
It was originally chambered in 7.65 I believe and later changed to 9mm which makes me curious as to whether Kamilyun can get a time frame on it from the proof marks and serial number.
It's that history stuff that keeps me going ya know :)
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Originally posted by kamilyun
Anyone here know a reputable on-line dealer in Luger parts? Or a definitive website with serial # descriptions? Did a quick Google and found a ton, but hoping someone here can point me the right way.
My wife (yes, my wife) was given a Luger by her grandmother who is cleaning up her house. It's serial # is xxxxish(xxxx IIRC). Wasn't really cared for, for about 60 years, but works (shot 20 rounds last weekend). Moderate pitting. Wood grips are decent.
I'd like to learn a bit about it's history, maintenance and replacement parts. Be nice to keep it in working condition for a box or two of rounds per year.
My older sister's second husband was of German Ancestry, and a big fan of Hitler. He acquired both a gorgeous Luger and also a Walther P-38 that had been brought back from WWII as war trophies.
My Dad served in the Army during WWII, and was sent to France in 1944. He ended up melting both of these pistols down with an acetylene torch he had. He could not lose his hatred of both the Nazis and the Japanese after the war. That, plus my former brother in law was a true big time jerk and abusive man. The guns were both in fantastic condition, and I'm sure they would be worth a lot if they were still around today, as they had Nazi markings on them.
I now drive two Japanese made cars, and own 3 German made pistols. My Dad would be pissed off at me about this, if he was still around.
Still, I would never, ever own either a Luger or a P-38 myself, due to their linkage with the Nazis. So even I still have some resentment and bias in me that has been past down from the time of the war.
So wars can still affect people, many decades after they are over, and even future generations born after the war.
It even bothers me some to fly German and Japanese planes in this game. But I have managed to overcome my bias some, and at least be able to do that.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by kamilyun
Anyone here know a reputable on-line dealer in Luger parts? Or a definitive website with serial # descriptions? Did a quick Google and found a ton, but hoping someone here can point me the right way.
My wife (yes, my wife) was given a Luger by her grandmother who is cleaning up her house. It's serial # is xxxxish(xxxx IIRC). Wasn't really cared for, for about 60 years, but works (shot 20 rounds last weekend). Moderate pitting. Wood grips are decent.
I'd like to learn a bit about it's history, maintenance and replacement parts. Be nice to keep it in working condition for a box or two of rounds per year.
Don't forget that California has very strict laws regarding handguns. Handgun transfers between parent and child are exempt from the requirement for the transfer to be made through a licensed gun dealer. However, the transfer of the gun still must be documented under California state law.
You have to get a form called "Report of Intra-Familial Handgun Transaction" from the state Bureau of Firearms ( a division of the California Dept of Justice ). A check for paying the $19 procesing fee must be included with the form. If this is not done within 30 days of the transfer, the state can find you guilty of committing a misdemeanor. If your wife then wants to transfer it to you, you then will need to do this all a second time. Otherwise, the only way to directly transfer the gun from her mother to you would require that the transfer be done through a licensed gun dealer, and that you undergo a criminal background check and waiting period.
Also, in order to legally posses a handgun in California, one must pass a Handgun Safety Class. So you need to make sure that you have done that too, otherwise you could be guilty of a second misdemeanor.
The strict gun laws in California are one of the reasons why I now live in Oregon.
SIG 220