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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AquaShrimp on January 03, 2008, 12:24:04 AM
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I was in the MA and we were talking about the P-51 and F4U. I said "The P-51D is a better E-plane (energy plane) than the F4U". Well Warlock challenges me to a duel. He even gave me a 10k altitude advantage. Little did I know the tactics he had in store for me.
So once in the dueling arena, Warlock chose the F4U-1a, and I flew the P-51D. He started off below me at 12k, and I at 20k. So I began diving on him, and then going vertical. He'd try to follow me and attempt to get a snapshot on me, but he couldn't. This infuriated him. I've never seen so much crying and whining on 200 as I did tonight with him. "Quit running! Get down here and fight! I'm gonna run out of gas!" ad nauseum. Since when does going into a 70 degree climb count as running? I was just using sound energy tactics. So the whole fight, I had Warlock defensive. I'd dive down, he'd going into a break turn, I'd fire, then go vertical. But his verbal tirade on 200 began to get to me. He was infuriated that I wouldn't fight his fight (flat turns and rolling scissors I'm sure). So I dove down and engaged him, even though my P-51's engine was only drawing about 50 inches of manifold pressure. He got a snapshot on me, and down I went. He began to use this as evidence that the F4U was better than the 51D.
The next fight, I was in a late model Spitfire (14 or 16, I dont remember). I started using the vertical again, and he became enraged and started spouting some crazy stuff on 200. Instead of turning with him, I would just climb at a very steep angle that he couldn't follow. But thats cheating right? Using an advantage my plane has that his doesn't lol. Anyways, something was majorly wrong with my stick or the way the plane was set up, as I kept getting "dont move your controls so rapidly" messages. Finally my controls locked up as I was doing a roll and I crashed.
Anyways, I guess the lesson I learned today is that you should block off any communications with your opponent before a duel, as they might goad you into fighting their fight. If you know the strengths and weaknesses of your plane, use them logically.
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I believe I heard that it was a Spit 14 on 200.:aok
donkey
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guess he didnt like his tactics used against him?
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If I had someone give me 10k in a 51D and XIV and I died both times I'd be writing an email asking for a new anonymous CPID rather than coming here to whine and make excuses.
From what you wrote you got PWND plain and simple. Both psychologically and ACM wise. Any fight like what you described(well most of them actually) comes down to one thing in the end. Who has the patience to fight their fight and wait for the other guy to get frustrated and make a mistake.
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Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. From now on, I'm going to detune all my radios as soon as I lift off. I'll turn into an emotionless terminator.
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Quite weird method to find 'better E-plane', imho.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
I was in the MA and we were talking about the P-51 and F4U. I said "The P-51D is a better E-plane (energy plane) than the F4U". Well Warlock challenges me to a duel. He even gave me a 10k altitude advantage. Little did I know the tactics he had in store for me.
So once in the dueling arena, Warlock chose the F4U-1a, and I flew the P-51D. He started off below me at 12k, and I at 20k. So I began diving on him, and then going vertical. He'd try to follow me and attempt to get a snapshot on me, but he couldn't. This infuriated him. I've never seen so much crying and whining on 200 as I did tonight with him. "Quit running! Get down here and fight! I'm gonna run out of gas!" ad nauseum. Since when does going into a 70 degree climb count as running? I was just using sound energy tactics. So the whole fight, I had Warlock defensive. I'd dive down, he'd going into a break turn, I'd fire, then go vertical. But his verbal tirade on 200 began to get to me. He was infuriated that I wouldn't fight his fight (flat turns and rolling scissors I'm sure). So I dove down and engaged him, even though my P-51's engine was only drawing about 50 inches of manifold pressure. He got a snapshot on me, and down I went. He began to use this as evidence that the F4U was better than the 51D.
The next fight, I was in a late model Spitfire (14 or 16, I dont remember). I started using the vertical again, and he became enraged and started spouting some crazy stuff on 200. Instead of turning with him, I would just climb at a very steep angle that he couldn't follow. But thats cheating right? Using an advantage my plane has that his doesn't lol. Anyways, something was majorly wrong with my stick or the way the plane was set up, as I kept getting "dont move your controls so rapidly" messages. Finally my controls locked up as I was doing a roll and I crashed.
Anyways, I guess the lesson I learned today is that you should block off any communications with your opponent before a duel, as they might goad you into fighting their fight. If you know the strengths and weaknesses of your plane, use them logically.
The problem was I was trying to show u that the plane dont mean squat. U were in the DA and slowly losing your 10k advantage on me after numerouse boom and zooms but i got BORED, u couldnt hit me, and after 10 minutes I told u that u needed to ENGAGE ME, u did not know how to properly engage a low con plane and simple. U were booming and zooming me like u were attacking multiple low cons. If u cant hit someone after 15 trys its time to try something different.
And yes I told u to get a SPIT because u complained the corsair was a way better turner than the pony. u brought a spit 14 and I gave u the advantage of being 600 on my six befor i even tried to defend myself, I guess u left that part out, and after the reversal u went strait vert and went back to your boom and zooming, but eventually your E gave out and u got OWNT. then u blamed it on STICK fauler but forgot to mention u were janking so hard, thats why u got the error.
I wasnt trying to PROVE that the corsair was superior to the pony I was just disproving your theory that u said a pony would own a corsair all day with a 10k advantage.
I was only trying to show u what u were DOING WRONG. and that the plane dont matter. if u had reversed the roles i would have pulled in behind u after the third pass and u wouldnt have been able to shake me
Then u pulled the I GOT A 3 TO 1 KILL TO DEATH RATIO IN THE MA I KNOW WHAT IM DOING remark, which told me u were probly mostly newbish and did not come from air warrior 1 as u said. and no I am not a 15 year old.
U got your butt handed to u because u did some smack talking on our country channel and apparently becaus I have been gone for a 2 months in the army u did not know that I am one of the pretty good stick in the game. and I know my 1 on 1 dueling. i used your every advantage to your disadvantage and it got u killed.
I dont have any problem with u infact if u had ever asked me, I would have gladly showed u some tips and showed u what u were doing wrong.
You are a good BOOM and ZOOMER and good at holding your E, but your gunnery is not up to par if that is your style of play. but a good pilot is a wll rounded pilot once I got on your six u really had no idea what to do, that dosnt mean u suck, just means u need to ask for some advice or spend some time in the DA and learn.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
I was in the MA and we were talking about the P-51 and F4U. I said "The P-51D is a better E-plane (energy plane) than the F4U". Well Warlock challenges me to a duel. He even gave me a 10k altitude advantage. Little did I know the tactics he had in store for me.
So once in the dueling arena, Warlock chose the F4U-1a, and I flew the P-51D. He started off below me at 12k, and I at 20k. So I began diving on him, and then going vertical. He'd try to follow me and attempt to get a snapshot on me, but he couldn't. This infuriated him. I've never seen so much crying and whining on 200 as I did tonight with him. "Quit running! Get down here and fight! I'm gonna run out of gas!" ad nauseum. Since when does going into a 70 degree climb count as running? I was just using sound energy tactics. So the whole fight, I had Warlock defensive. I'd dive down, he'd going into a break turn, I'd fire, then go vertical. But his verbal tirade on 200 began to get to me. He was infuriated that I wouldn't fight his fight (flat turns and rolling scissors I'm sure). So I dove down and engaged him, even though my P-51's engine was only drawing about 50 inches of manifold pressure. He got a snapshot on me, and down I went. He began to use this as evidence that the F4U was better than the 51D.
The next fight, I was in a late model Spitfire (14 or 16, I dont remember). I started using the vertical again, and he became enraged and started spouting some crazy stuff on 200. Instead of turning with him, I would just climb at a very steep angle that he couldn't follow. But thats cheating right? Using an advantage my plane has that his doesn't lol. Anyways, something was majorly wrong with my stick or the way the plane was set up, as I kept getting "dont move your controls so rapidly" messages. Finally my controls locked up as I was doing a roll and I crashed.
Anyways, I guess the lesson I learned today is that you should block off any communications with your opponent before a duel, as they might goad you into fighting their fight. If you know the strengths and weaknesses of your plane, use them logically.
Also statisticly the Corsair holds E far better than the pony, it just has to get that E first because it is a slow accelerator. A corsair is one of the best E planes in the game. The only thing the pony has going for it is superb engine power. which allows it to REGAIN lost E
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Originally posted by Geary420
If I had someone give me 10k in a 51D and XIV and I died both times I'd be writing an email asking for a new anonymous CPID rather than coming here to whine and make excuses.
From what you wrote you got PWND plain and simple. Both psychologically and ACM wise. Any fight like what you described(well most of them actually) comes down to one thing in the end. Who has the patience to fight their fight and wait for the other guy to get frustrated and make a mistake.
Also a honerable and skillfull pilot would have never accepted a 10k advantage to begin with without ever fighting the person, he would have wanted to go head to head right off the bat. and then to bring a spit 14 when u know your getting a D600 six position with no defense manuvers until in range is just showing that he was simply looking for the EASY kill and had no intentions of ever trying to be fair. that is why he went verticle every single time.
Being a good pilot is not how good u can fly up, its how good u are at getting the front of your plane on him to actually get a shot.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
The only thing the pony has going for it is superb engine power. which allows it to REGAIN lost E
lol, not really. I'm assuming you're talking about regaining it in a relatively short time because of its "superb engine power," because all planes can eventually regain lost E. But, that is not the case, unless I was missing something the whole 5 months I was flying the pony...
donkey
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I had a similar scenario earlier where a person said a tempest could not be beat, I was flying a spitfire 8 earlier at 10k and ran into 68Shade in a tempest and held his 6 for a good 15 minutes before he was sent running to ack trying to scape me.
Little did he know I simply held my E through all his turns and never got over 1.0k from him, but he did make one generally stupid mistake: flew above 15k
He was giving my spitfire an advantage of speed while he was losing performance going higher.
Anyhow same scenario I offered to give him tips how in a tempest to beat a spitfire 8 he didnt take so be it.
Warlock scenario here is I think you should of been more direct I mean giving him 10k advantage would of been useless if he'd got lucky on the snapshots i.e like some decent pickers.
However I wouldn't knock a P51 being a bad boom and zoom plane thats what it does best since in my opinion the Flaps burn off to much E compared to real plane, P51 wont hold its E in a fight, unlike F4u which doesn't need E to turn fight (although doing 350 and dropping flaps is nice too) but Ive been in more fights doing 160 with full flaps down then high speed fighting this past tour).
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AquaShrimp, I think you should quit being delusional. Ask yourself why you started this post.
You got owned. And it wasnt the plane's fault.
You might have good MA stats but they can't be taken for face value.
I was once like you, thinking my (at the time) good K/D would mean I am a good pilot. I was wrong. I can tell you that the LeitWolf from tour 95 will beat the crap out of the LeitWolf from tour 36 even though the stats would indicate otherwise.
The moment I accepted the fact that I suck was the first day I was able to get better - but it took a lot of time getting owned and getting the ego out of the window first. I'm still not good, but today i know what happened when someone owns me and most of the time - the fault was mine. ;)
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Probably not what you thought you would hear in here for the most part huh???
10K alt advantage from the start doesnt take much to "hold your E".
Basically your controls locked up from jerking the stick to hard hence the "do not move your controls so rapidly" message just prior to you crashing.
If it took you that long to kill him you should have tried different tactics.
The plane as Warlock stated does not mean squat, it may give you a advantage, however the pilot is going to determine the outcome of the fight, not the plane.
Regardless of your reasons and excuses you got beat plain and simple.
Frankly to go to DA to prove a point, accept a 10K alt advantage, then complain about the fact they had something to say about you doing nothing but BnZ repeatedly is hysterical. Why go in the first place??
Take one thing away from this engagement you have room to improve your skills.
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I thought Warlock was in boot camp?
That's some wimpy boot camp if they let you play computer games.
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This has got to be the silliest post of the year :D
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Originally posted by Adonai
I had a similar scenario earlier where a person said a tempest could not be beat, I was flying a spitfire 8 earlier at 10k and ran into 68Shade in a tempest and held his 6 for a good 15 minutes before he was sent running to ack trying to scape me.
if you stay on a tempests 6 for 15 minutes flying a spit8 that's just down to the person in the tempest being stupid. What was he doing, flying at half rpm?...
Good luck trying to stay on my 6 for 15 min if I'm in a tempest and you're in any spitfire.
Truth is, someone who's actually good and is in a tempest should not die. Dying in a temp is shameful :) It's the fastest prop plane in the game + good SA = ez mode.
Sometimes you just want to cut through butter as an outlet though. Whether your SA is **** or not, you've got to be dumb as a brick to have a spit8 follow you for 15 minutes. You should've pulled far away from 1k within 5...
Also, the spit driver would have to be dumb as a brick... Big timewaste chasing a tempest like that when you're clearly never gonna catch him and he's not gonna turnfight you. Best thing you can do in a spit is extend away and hope to catch him when he dives and comes up in a climb, or... give him your six and pull a reversal for a quick gun solution.
Exactly what were you hoping to achieve?
Yes, it's down to the person who's in the plane.
And to OP, only 3 to 1 KD in a p51? Even if it mattered, that p51 KD would make you very very average...
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Yawn. Warlock owned you dude. Whinning will not help that. I have gone against Warlock before not knowing who he was. I watched his tactics and learned alot from what he did. E management and sound ACM. Recommended readings would be any ACM book that you can get online. You can get a specific Pony ACM manual directly from Amazon. I believe it is a remake from the Army Air Corps flight manual. Read it follow it. I read mine on the JUG and I still die, but I am learning the hard way.
JUGMAN
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Originally posted by RUMBLEBee
if you stay on a tempests 6 for 15 minutes flying a spit8 that's just down to the person in the tempest being stupid. What was he doing, flying at half rpm?...
Good luck trying to stay on my 6 for 15 min if I'm in a tempest and you're in any spitfire.
Truth is, someone who's actually good and is in a tempest should not die. Dying in a temp is shameful :) It's the fastest prop plane in the game + good SA = ez mode.
Sometimes you just want to cut through butter as an outlet though. Whether your SA is **** or not, you've got to be dumb as a brick to have a spit8 follow you for 15 minutes. You should've pulled far away from 1k within 5...
Also, the spit driver would have to be dumb as a brick... Big timewaste chasing a tempest like that when you're clearly never gonna catch him and he's not gonna turnfight you. Best thing you can do in a spit is extend away and hope to catch him when he dives and comes up in a climb, or... give him your six and pull a reversal for a quick gun solution.
Exactly what were you hoping to achieve?
Yes, it's down to the person who's in the plane.
And to OP, only 3 to 1 KD in a p51? Even if it mattered, that p51 KD would make you very very average...
Actually if you check the stats, Spit8 does quite well and can stay with a Tempest above 18k and thats what happen, he figured on climbing out to get me to lose E and I maintained it the entire climb. Secondly: Tempests are NOT 262s and wont "run" From a spitfire so lets not get to far ahead of yourself.
His mistake and Your's would eventually be he was above the alt a tempest is good for, Spitfires get more dangerous higher alt, tempest doesn't do so well.
Check stats on the planes you think your simply going to "run" away doing only 15-20 mph faster is not exactly what he did, he realized he wasn't leaving me in speed and kept trying to extend out to turn around and ho me, I simply stayed on his 6 without bleeding E, and he was, which brought me closer to his 6 and again level running away means he wasn't going to leave me soon. Eventually dove for field ack and stayed there where he belongs :D
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Originally posted by Max
This has got to be the silliest post of the year :D
LOL still got a long arse year to go and lots more newbs to bring in i would hold that one for now
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Originally posted by kilz
LOL still got a long arse year to go and lots more newbs to bring in i would hold that one for now
As yourself Sir? baaah
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Originally posted by Adonai
As yourself Sir? baaah
everyone knows that i am a newb Adonai but whats your excuse:D
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Originally posted by Adonai
Little did he know I simply held my E through all his turns and never got over 1.0k from him, but he did make one generally stupid mistake: flew above 15k
Originally posted by Adonai
Actually if you check the stats, Spit8 does quite well and can stay with a Tempest above 18k and thats what happen, he figured on climbing out to get me to lose E and I maintained it the entire climb. Secondly: Tempests are NOT 262s and wont "run" From a spitfire so lets not get to far ahead of yourself.
His mistake and Your's would eventually be he was above the alt a tempest is good for, Spitfires get more dangerous higher alt, tempest doesn't do so well.
While Tempest's do suffer somwhat compared to many other planes when getting higher, your statements are not correct. They still can easily run from a Spitfire 8 if desired:
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6259/spittempdc8.jpg)
RUMBLEBee was quite correct when saying: if you stay on a tempests 6 for 15 minutes flying a spit8 that's just down to the person in the tempest being stupid. What was he doing, flying at half rpm?...:
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I was just disproving your theory that u said a pony would own a corsair all day with a 10k advantage.
Actually, almost any plane with a 10K advantage will, maybe not own, but at least control almost any other plane for, maybe not all day, but for quite a while.
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shrimp, i dunno what's going on, but i feel i have to tell you that what you do is certainly not energy fighting.
energy fighting isn't about having loads of energy and keeping it at all. that would be bore and zoom, and in the DA BnZ'ing is pretty darn lame, you're supposed to be duelling.
an energy fight is the most advanced form of 'turnfight' possible. you use your energy advantages or disadvantages to overcome your opponent by swapping E for position, angles etc. or instead by using an opponents E against him and forcing an overshoot.
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" u did not know how to properly engage a low con plane and simple. U were booming and zooming me like u were attacking multiple low cons"
You just defeated any argument you might have had .... self owpnage is a horrible thing.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
I thought Warlock was in boot camp?
That's some wimpy boot camp if they let you play computer games.
Home 2 weeks for block leave but going back today;)
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Most who Boom 'N Zoom don't know how to BnZ, correctly which then turns it into a Bore 'N Zoom.
If one is going to BnZ, it must be done aggressively.
Make a Boom, and if you miss or they pull a very aggressive evasion to spoil the guns solution, only Zoom back up to the point of minimum safety.
Most continue the Zoom way too long allowing their target to regain speed/E to continue to evade with ease.
Zoom to a point where at the minimum, you are safe from their guns and have enough alt to make another Boom that will put some E back into your pocket for another safe Zoom.
At minimum safety alt, reverse and Boom again before they have a chance to recover ... repeat until they have no energy left to make a good evasive move and then end it with a well placed burst.
A P-51 with alt on a F4U should be able to dominate the F4U if the P-51 is aggressive and without ever having to get into a true knife fight with Hog to win.
If I am lower than my opponent and they make a Boom, and they I see an abbreviated Zoom to safety alt, I know I am in trouble and it's gonna get dicey.
I can sympathize with Warlock when I am being attacked by someone who does not really know how to BnZ. It's painfully boring cause they will never really get a solution on me because they allow me to recover with the over extended Zoom. In some cases, where they don't get impatient and won't really engage ... I simply RTB ... without the fear of dieing.
Any films of this engagement ?
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Most who Boom 'N Zoom don't know how to BnZ, correctly which then turns it into a Bore 'N Zoom.
If one is going to BnZ, it must be done aggressively.
Make a Boom, and if you miss or they pull a very aggressive evasion to spoil the guns solution, only Zoom back up to the point of minimum safety.
Most continue the Zoom way too long allowing their target to regain speed/E to continue to evade with ease.
Zoom to a point where at the minimum, you are safe from their guns and have enough alt to make another Boom that will put some E back into your pocket for another safe Zoom.
At minimum safety alt, reverse and Boom again before they have a change to recover ... repeat until they have no energy left to make a good evasive move and then end it with a well placed burst.
A P-51 with alt on a F4U should be able to dominate the F4U if the P-51 is aggressive and without ever having to get into a true knife fight with Hog to win.
If I am lower than my opponent and they make a Boom, and they I see an abbreviated Zoom to safety alt, I know I am in trouble and it's gonna get dicey.
I can sympathize with Warlock when I am being attacked by someone who does not really know how to BnZ. It's painfully boring cause they will never really get a solution on me because they allow me to recover with the over extended Zoom. In some cases, where they don't get impatient and won't really engage ... I simply RTB ... without the fear of dieing.
Any films of this engagement ?
u just described the entire fight slapshot, yes I have film of the first engagment but i do not have anywhere to post it if someone would send me a email i would gladly email it or i will try to get it posted in a hour so
I do not have film of the second fight where i let him pull on my six 600 out befor i defended myself. it was known going into the fight i was going to let him get behind me, i even turned as so to let him, but he still made 2 passes on me befor he engaged. I dont didnt record that fight.
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I just set up an account at http://www.mediafire.com last week ... It's free and very easy to setup and load files ... lots of space too.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Home 2 weeks for block leave but going back today;)
Have a good one and enjoy those push ups.. :D
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I just set up an account at http://www.mediafire.com last week ... It's free and very easy to setup and load files ... lots of space too.
http://www.mediafire.com/?4ex0zl5glgh
this is the file, and u will note that i was not ranting and raving and whining in fact the first time i said anything was 3 minutes 40 seconds into the fight, and then i tried to tell him he needs to slow down to hit me, that was simple advice, and I did not kill him on a lucky snapshot either as he clamed. u can see the mistake he made that allowed me to catch him. and as i said once i got on his six he didnt know what to do. that is what i was trying to help him with
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
http://www.mediafire.com/?4ex0zl5glgh
After watching that film my opinion has been massively reinforced that the Shrimp should never have brought this to the BBS. Man... many of my attack are as boring and uneffective like his, but I usually keep my mouth shut about it, especially when being shot down :D
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Originally posted by Lusche
After watching that film my opinion has been massively reinforced that the Shrimp should never have brought this to the BBS. Man... many of my attack are as boring and uneffective like his, but I usually keep my mouth shut about it, especially when being shot down :D
well don't beat the ole boy up to hard about it, it was just upset and we have all been there befor, and alot of times people post their storys on here trying to get someone to agree with them so they feel better about the beating they took.
I just dont think he has ever really been to the DA and has probly spent all his flying time in BnZ mode. I did save him the honor of not posting the second film where where I let him co alt merge on my six at 600 out to start the fight. I just didnt record that one.
My advice is dont beat him up about it in the MA, knowone should have to log onto the game and get ridiculed when there just trying to have fun, but some of u good sticks on the rook side should offer services to him, all he needs is to learn and i bet he would be a ace pilot.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
well don't beat the ole boy up to hard about it,
Nah, was never my intention to beat him up about it. I couldn't afford it, because I really don't fly better at times. I often look at my films and see to my dismay that I'm zooming up waaaaay to high after a (uncusessful) bounce...just ike he did.
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Originally posted by Adonai
Actually if you check the stats, Spit8 does quite well and can stay with a Tempest above 18k and thats what happen, he figured on climbing out to get me to lose E and I maintained it the entire climb. Secondly: Tempests are NOT 262s and wont "run" From a spitfire so lets not get to far ahead of yourself.
His mistake and Your's would eventually be he was above the alt a tempest is good for, Spitfires get more dangerous higher alt, tempest doesn't do so well.
Trust me, I can run from a spit8 easily in under 5 minutes whenver in a tempest, that's the whole point of it... I easily run up 100 non vulch kills for 1 actual a2a death in a tempest.
It's not a 262 but if you're saying a tempest won't run from a spitfire you're absolutely clueless, sorry but I call it as I see it..
It's the fastest prop fighter plane in the game.
Please check your facts and get some experience actually flying a tempest before making statements like that.
I doubt you were sitting at 18k with him and him just letting u get closer and closer, all he had to do was dive and so long spit8. I personally don't even remember the last time I climbed to 18k in a tempest.
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Originally posted by RUMBLEBee
Trust me, I can run from a spit8 easily in under 5 minutes whenver in a tempest, that's the whole point of it... I easily run up 100 non vulch kills for 1 actual a2a death in a tempest.
It's not a 262 but if you're saying a tempest won't run from a spitfire you're absolutely clueless, sorry but I call it as I see it..
It's the fastest prop fighter plane in the game.
Please check your facts and get some experience actually flying a tempest before making statements like that.
I doubt you were sitting at 18k with him and him just letting u get closer and closer, all he had to do was dive and so long spit8. I personally don't even remember the last time I climbed to 18k in a tempest.
I guess it all depends on how the tempest was doing his running, if he was climbing the spit could probly hang with him, the tempest true power lies within its DIVE.
but i wasnt there, all i know is there is only 2 people im afraid of im a tempest, the rest of them cant seem to hit squat and spend most there time running;)
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I guess it all depends on how the tempest was doing his running, if he was climbing the spit could probly hang with him, the tempest true power lies within its DIVE.
but i wasnt there, all i know is there is only 2 people im afraid of im a tempest, the rest of them cant seem to hit squat and spend most there time running;)
Flying level, diving.. tempest will get away from a spit8 in no time... Removing your brain and roping yourself for a spitfire doesn't mean a tempest won't outrun a spit8 WITH EASE. I have never been caught by a spit8, cause I have at least half a brain. At worst I've had an la7 follow me for 5 minutes while slowly pulling away.
There's no secret or mystery to flying a tempest. It's faster than anything without jet engines or rocketfuel. you're coming at people with 4x hispanos. Take two even skilled pilots and a spit8 wont be running a temp down.
If this guy thinks he's gonna be running down tempests in a spit8 all day long he's gotta be kidding himself.
Of course, if the guy flying it likes sticking the throttle halfway and nosing it straight up you might catch him flying a stuka... With pilot error anything is possible, Zero's will catch 262's.. doesnt take away from the fact that a temp can easily run away from a spit8 if he chooses to unless hes an idiot, flying it at 180mph on the deck. just the way you're not supposed to fly one.
If I'm taking a pass in a tempest I'm hitting.. 4x hispanos, it's not like it's hard to find a sortie ending shot.
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/me applauds rumble well said sir!!
oh and Lusche! god I love a good Stats man!
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Originally posted by Connery
/me applauds rumble well said sir!!
oh and Lusche! god I love a good Stats man!
Send it to Spatula - he programmed that tool you could see in my screenshot. I'm only clicking buttons...
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Rumbleb
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Originally posted by RUMBLEBee
Flying level, diving.. tempest will get away from a spit8 in no time... Removing your brain and roping yourself for a spitfire doesn't mean a tempest won't outrun a spit8 WITH EASE. I have never been caught by a spit8, cause I have at least half a brain. At worst I've had an la7 follow me for 5 minutes while slowly pulling away.
There's no secret or mystery to flying a tempest. It's faster than anything without jet engines or rocketfuel. you're coming at people with 4x hispanos. Take two even skilled pilots and a spit8 wont be running a temp down.
If this guy thinks he's gonna be running down tempests in a spit8 all day long he's gotta be kidding himself.
Of course, if the guy flying it likes sticking the throttle halfway and nosing it straight up you might catch him flying a stuka... With pilot error anything is possible, Zero's will catch 262's.. doesnt take away from the fact that a temp can easily run away from a spit8 if he chooses to unless hes an idiot, flying it at 180mph on the deck. just the way you're not supposed to fly one.
If I'm taking a pass in a tempest I'm hitting.. 4x hispanos, it's not like it's hard to find a sortie ending shot.
Well said but I think the point maybe lost on the intended.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Lusche
While Tempest's do suffer somwhat compared to many other planes when getting higher, your statements are not correct. They still can easily run from a Spitfire 8 if desired:
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6259/spittempdc8.jpg)
RUMBLEBee was quite correct when saying: if you stay on a tempests 6 for 15 minutes flying a spit8 that's just down to the person in the tempest being stupid. What was he doing, flying at half rpm?...:
Very well done Sir.
Hell, even my 2 yo now knows that a temp will outpace a spit.
Originally posted by RUMBLEBee
Flying level, diving.. tempest will get away from a spit8 in no time... Removing your brain and roping yourself for a spitfire doesn't mean a tempest won't outrun a spit8 WITH EASE. I have never been caught by a spit8, cause I have at least half a brain. At worst I've had an la7 follow me for 5 minutes while slowly pulling away.
There's no secret or mystery to flying a tempest. It's faster than anything without jet engines or rocketfuel. you're coming at people with 4x hispanos. Take two even skilled pilots and a spit8 wont be running a temp down.
If this guy thinks he's gonna be running down tempests in a spit8 all day long he's gotta be kidding himself.
Of course, if the guy flying it likes sticking the throttle halfway and nosing it straight up you might catch him flying a stuka... With pilot error anything is possible, Zero's will catch 262's.. doesnt take away from the fact that a temp can easily run away from a spit8 if he chooses to unless hes an idiot, flying it at 180mph on the deck. just the way you're not supposed to fly one.
If I'm taking a pass in a tempest I'm hitting.. 4x hispanos, it's not like it's hard to find a sortie ending shot.
Damn straight. Another reason I'm glad I dont have to fly against you anymore:aok
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
but some of u good sticks on the rook side should offer services to him
:noid what "services" are we talking about here?? I don't swing that way if that's what ya mean
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Originally posted by RUMBLEBee
Flying level, diving.. tempest will get away from a spit8 in no time... Removing your brain and roping yourself for a spitfire doesn't mean a tempest won't outrun a spit8 WITH EASE. I have never been caught by a spit8, cause I have at least half a brain. At worst I've had an la7 follow me for 5 minutes while slowly pulling away.
There's no secret or mystery to flying a tempest. It's faster than anything without jet engines or rocketfuel. you're coming at people with 4x hispanos. Take two even skilled pilots and a spit8 wont be running a temp down.
If this guy thinks he's gonna be running down tempests in a spit8 all day long he's gotta be kidding himself.
Of course, if the guy flying it likes sticking the throttle halfway and nosing it straight up you might catch him flying a stuka... With pilot error anything is possible, Zero's will catch 262's.. doesnt take away from the fact that a temp can easily run away from a spit8 if he chooses to unless hes an idiot, flying it at 180mph on the deck. just the way you're not supposed to fly one.
If I'm taking a pass in a tempest I'm hitting.. 4x hispanos, it's not like it's hard to find a sortie ending shot.
the beauty of this game for me is flying like such an idiot in things like tempests that the enemy is laughing at my stupidity only a few seconds before they hit the tower wondering what happened.
your true statement here is what makes that tomfoolery possible, i thanks you and every other 'smart' flyer for making people expect the exact opposite of what i am planning :p
PS: i do like to fly smart too sometimes when ive been drinking.
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Bringing stuff like this to the forums is the biggest problem you have.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
the beauty of this game for me is flying like such an idiot in things like tempests that the enemy is laughing at my stupidity only a few seconds before they hit the tower wondering what happened.
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I was just disproving your theory that u said a pony would own a corsair all day with a 10k advantage.
I'll take that bet. A pony would own a hog, HO's excluded, w/ a 10k advantage. But heck.. it should... 10k advantage is significant.
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Originally posted by RUMBLEBee
Flying level, diving.. tempest will get away from a spit8 in no time... Removing your brain and roping yourself for a spitfire doesn't mean a tempest won't outrun a spit8 WITH EASE. I have never been caught by a spit8, cause I have at least half a brain. At worst I've had an la7 follow me for 5 minutes while slowly pulling away.
There's no secret or mystery to flying a tempest. It's faster than anything without jet engines or rocketfuel. you're coming at people with 4x hispanos. Take two even skilled pilots and a spit8 wont be running a temp down.
If this guy thinks he's gonna be running down tempests in a spit8 all day long he's gotta be kidding himself.
Of course, if the guy flying it likes sticking the throttle halfway and nosing it straight up you might catch him flying a stuka... With pilot error anything is possible, Zero's will catch 262's.. doesnt take away from the fact that a temp can easily run away from a spit8 if he chooses to unless hes an idiot, flying it at 180mph on the deck. just the way you're not supposed to fly one.
If I'm taking a pass in a tempest I'm hitting.. 4x hispanos, it's not like it's hard to find a sortie ending shot.
"With pilot error anything is possible, Zero's will catch 262's"
Do I need to say more why a Spitfire 8 caught a tempest?
68spade's mistake was not leveling and running, instead attempting to extend to turn around and Ho me, which failed 3 times before he dove to Field Ack.
If he was smart and extended past 3.0k from me been glad to turn around and leave, but instead second I turned around he'd turn on me, re-engaging me in the process. I guess you wouldn't understand it simply because you only read "spit 8 catches tempest" when there was more to it then simply he was level straight which he didn't do. I rest my case on the matter. I've flown more then enough tours to know there are only very few planes will catch a tempest in level run.
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Steve, that wouldn't be fair. I've watched you furball - you own 'em left and right in a Pony with a 10K DISADVANTAGE - a 10K advantage would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
I find a well flown Pony with an altitude advantage to be very difficult to take on when in the F4U-1 series if he's intent on taking me down, because I bleed E more than he does when I maneuver to avoid his shots, and his acceleration advantage allows him to press hard without giving me much of a shot (any, if he's real good) unless he screws up. Eventually, I misjudge my timing and he get's hits on me.
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Originally posted by Ghastly
Steve, that wouldn't be fair. I've watched you furball - you own 'em left and right in a Pony with a 10K DISADVANTAGE - a 10K advantage would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
I find a well flown Pony with an altitude advantage to be very difficult to take on when in the F4U-1 series if he's intent on taking me down, because I bleed E more than he does when I maneuver to avoid his shots, and his acceleration advantage allows him to press hard without giving me much of a shot (any, if he's real good) unless he screws up. Eventually, I misjudge my timing and he get's hits on me.
I've always agreed Its the pilot that makes the plane do what can, cant be done.
Ive seen steve in a P51 and WarlockL in an F4u, my opinon you both are supurb in your rides, whether one gets 10k advantage or not doesn't matter, its the Pilot that flies the aircraft that makes the aircraft a threat.
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well said rumble! :aok
my god - 3 to 1 kd is my 2008 target with the EMIL :t
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Thanks for the kind words. You guys are right that it's the pilot as much as the plane. A 10k advantage, that should equate to the higher plane getting the victory, assuming(as you guys pointed out) the pilots are comparably skilled. Geez.. I'm stating the obvious, aren't I? Sorry.
Still it was Warlockl's post:
was just disproving your theory that u said a pony would own a corsair all day with a 10k advantage.
that caught my attention. I disagree and am willing to test it out with him.
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Originally posted by Lusche
While Tempest's do suffer somwhat compared to many other planes when getting higher, your statements are not correct. They still can easily run from a Spitfire 8 if desired:
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6259/spittempdc8.jpg)
RUMBLEBee was quite correct when saying: if you stay on a tempests 6 for 15 minutes flying a spit8 that's just down to the person in the tempest being stupid. What was he doing, flying at half rpm?...:
I love when people show me graphs. I fall asleep at work when this happens and I feel......very.....tired..... ...ZZZZZZZZZZZ. LOL Lushce thanks for the information....!
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