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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SteveBailey on January 03, 2008, 11:30:29 PM
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I am a lefty, but recently one of our community members, Homeboy, converted a USB HOTAS to lefty for me... BTW he did a masterful job and is a real pleasure to work with. I highly recommend him to anyone considering doing the same.
Anyway, as a lefty I always used the 10 key area of the kb for views and am having a hard time converting to hat views. For instance, how do you guys set up to look.. up and in a direction at the same time. you know, like up/left... up/forward.
I'm really having trouble adapting and could use some pointers.
Thanks!
Steve
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Assign the UP view to one button on throttle. Now when you want to look left/up, just press hat and that UP button at throttle at same time.
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Usually you can make 1 button "look up", and make the Hat your normal views. Then If you hold down your "look up" button and use the hat it will give you your "look up right, left" etc...
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This is how I set it up... maybe just some practice. i'm not very good at looking to the angles either... like forward left or forward right. I usually end up looking left or right..... tips? or just takes practice?
Thanks,
Steve
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Just practice:aok
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
This is how I set it up... maybe just some practice. i'm not very good at looking to the angles either... like forward left or forward right. I usually end up looking left or right..... tips? or just takes practice?
Thanks,
Steve
It takes some time to get used to it, like with any new setup.
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I use trackIR, so I just look up/left:D
Make sure your hat is on 8way and I set my hat views with the cliboard set up,map the view you want to the different hat views.
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Thanks guys.. I have a new respect for you HOTAS users.. it seems like there's a lot more going on in the cockpit now lol.
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Just fly like me, all I need is a rear view button, cause thats where the dam enemy is always at....LOL
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Been using CH controls about 3yrs. Like several others said I use the 3 forward buttons on the throttle for views. 1st is home; many of the planes I have normal view paged up but use home for bomb run, the other 2 buttons are 1 up and 1 dwn. With fighters stick and pro throttle there are more than enough little buttons, hats etc to keep me confused. An I used to be a musican so finger repatition shouldnt be a problem. Me thinks old age might be a factor
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Originally posted by watanna
1st is home; many of the planes I have normal view paged up but use home for bomb run, the other 2 buttons are 1 up and 1 dwn.
Coincidentally I mapped mine to up, down, and auto level. Still experimenting though.
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on the STICK:
first thumb button that looks like a rook (4 way) is mapped to the 4 views, with the 'up' position mapped to 'forward up'.
the upper hat switch that looks like a diamond (8 way) is mapped to the 8 views (diagonals included). don't use that much...mostly for cruise/pre-engagement views.
for the THROTTLE:
the thumb hat that looks like a rook- the forward press is mapped to the UP view so i can combine with the stick views for up/side views or up/back view.
it really becomes second nature after a while.
finally, make sure you adjust your head position so that the views by hat switch give you what you want. probably the same as your keyboard views, but maybe not if this is a new setup. i like to pull the rear/up view in some to give a bigger FOV.
i have a trackIR, but prefer the hat views in AH.
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also, on the throttle:
the thumb hat that's like an H, I use that for trim tabs; down/up for aileron, forward/back for elevator (rudder keyboard).
three buttons are from left to right:
flaps up, flaps down, gear up/down
index finger button:
up- clipboard map
down- WEP
STICK:
thumb switch that is like a hatched cross, up is zoom in/out.
i have alot of unmapped buttons...
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I know it's not the same, but my X52 has a pinky switch I use to look up. My central hat is view and the upper left hat is clipboard/zoom control. The guarded (such a good idea!) central thumb button is the pickle, the b and c buttons either side of the central hat are range and squad vox the upper right button is ord select. the two stage trigger fires primaries first then all guns on full depression.
The three 2 way momentary toggles on the base are flaps, gear/hook and speedbrake.
The throttle has throttle.... of course... the slider is prop, the large rotary is elevator trim, the smaller one is rudder trim. The thumb button between the rotaries is WEP. Before I got pedals I used the throttle index hat for brakes, I'm still yet to decide on what I'm going to map to it now. The large button in the big rotary is check 6.
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Originally posted by SD67
I know it's not the same, but my X52 has a pinky switch I use to look up...
Almost the same. I use the pinky button on the CH joystick for my up views and the the hat on the side of the throttle for the actual left, back, right, etc. views. Pressing the pinky button and my hat would give me the up-left, up-right, etc. views.
I use the top hat on my joystick to move my head around the cockpit, since I love to fly the early 109s which dont have great visibility.
I also use the CH control manager to do all my mappings, and not the AH joystick mappings... I find the CH control manager provides more options (macros to set salvos, etc. etc.) under this arrangement, my middle throttle button (the row of 3 at the front) would be my "Shift" button, the far left is my WEP, and the right one is the Clipboard map.
Enjoy the setup!
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pinky switch on my x52 is set to check six
I have one of the buttons on the throttle set to look up and use that with one of the hats to get all my views covered. other hat is set for trim
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Originally posted by Lusche
Assign the UP view to one button on throttle. Now when you want to look left/up, just press hat and that UP button at throttle at same time.
Exactly what I have done ... I have the center button on the front of the throttle assigned to look-up.
So if I am looking left and then want to look left-up ... I simply hit the center button on the throttle. Once I release the look-up button the view swings back to just looking left.
Steve ... for the life of me, I can't imagine trying to use the keyboard for my views, use the throttle, and fly the stick ... all at the same time.
Moving your 8 views to the top hat on the Fighterstick and then using a button on the throttle to switch to the "up" view, gives you great throttle management and stick management all while looking where ever you want ... easily.
It will take some practice, but once you get it, you will never understand how you actually flew without it.
I also have some code in my CH "map" that automatically turns WEP on when you firewall the throttle ... back off a smidge, and WEP disengages. Very usefull ... at least for me.
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Steve I use the KP5 button setup on my throttle. The 8way hat on my Combat stick I use to scan 360 around the cockpit. When I wish to look up in any of those directions I use the Combatstick 8 way Hat and use the top 4 way hat at the end of my throttle to look up at the same time.
BTW it's best to use the 4way that is operated by the thumb on the throttle and set the 4way so when you push the 4way up with your thumb you get lookup and the 8way on the stick in conjunction.
Piece of cake.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I am a lefty, but recently one of our community members, Homeboy, converted a USB HOTAS to lefty for me... BTW he did a masterful job and is a real pleasure to work with. I highly recommend him to anyone considering doing the same.
Anyway, as a lefty I always used the 10 key area of the kb for views and am having a hard time converting to hat views. For instance, how do you guys set up to look.. up and in a direction at the same time. you know, like up/left... up/forward.
I'm really having trouble adapting and could use some pointers.
Thanks!
Steve
Track IR
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I have the index finger button on throttle as look-up. I have the forward hat position on stick as look-forward-up.
I also have it setup for wep on fast throttle up.... with the ability to bump it off or use the thumb switch to activate/deactivate it.
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About the same as many others - on the throttle handle, the 3 pushbuttons are (starting from pinkie) tunable voice (squad, usually) transmit, look down (mapped to KP0), and look up (KP5).
Using them in conjunction with the hat on the stick gives me the possibility to look every direction, and it's completely second nature after a while.
I'd be happy to send you my CH map file, if you are using the newest version of the control software.
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Thanks a lot for all the tips! I'm having troubles w/ my hat movements. I think I mentioned.. sometimes I look straight left instead of front left(as an example. I'll just keep practicing. I've only got an hour or two of stick time in.
Track IR... I wish someone would tell me about it. I've read about it but really want to know how well it works.
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Steve you're still a pony dweeb ?
If so the track IR is ok to use (in some planes like the F4U it's a pain in the arse !)
How it work , simply you move your head to the left and your in game head turn to the left too ,same for up right and down.
A multiplication factor is applied , exemple if you move your head 10° left IRL your in game head will move a lot more like 45° so you can "turn" your real head being still in front of your screen.
I've one and it's useful and very intuitive I needed 1 hour to adapt (a lot less than I needed for the rudder :p).
check these vids :
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=LjgbaPybtIc
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=AYPGdyz0Lws
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=1GwaP7TrFD0
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I'm going to try and build one of the "FreeTrack" version of the TrackIR this weekend.
I'd hate to spend a couple hundred bucks to get motion sickness :D
Do a search on the boards for free track to see how its done. All you need is the free program, a web cam, and a few diodes and such. Its a much cheaper way to see if you like it. I hope it works ! LOL!!
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
I'd hate to spend a couple hundred bucks to get motion sickness :D
Me too ... if I knew 100% that it would not make me sick ... I would buy it in a heartbeat.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Me too ... if I knew 100% that it would not make me sick ... I would buy it in a heartbeat.
Slapshot.. starting out it bothered me a bit... here is the funny part... now if I turn off the TIR I get sick... :) Its all what u get used too.
Balsy
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In a bad furball, with multiple enemy cons, I end up getting dizzy moving my head so much. With TrackIR i found I was flying more defensively and focusing more on what other planes were doing (which is also a good thing) than what I was doing to counteract... I need to somewhat be able to disconnect where my eyes are looking with where I am actually going. In short, hasnt worked out for me yet, but that is also because I feel like its my first day flying and even zip code noobs shoot me down. So after an hour or so, I turn it off and go back to my trusted hat views and all is good.
I am giving it one more chance though. I just dont know when.
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made this for my settings (CH Fighterstick, pro throttle, pro pedals):
(http://pictures.sveno.net/tmp/ah2_ch_hotas_setup.png)
that "not used" button is used now for fuel tank select (thanks to the c.205 :)
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Steve,
Rather than using an "up modifier" button, I have 2 AH stick modes. Mode 1, I have fwd hat for UP, and the rest of the hat positions are normal flat views. Mode 2, fwd hat is FWD+UP, and the rest are 45 degree up views. Pinkey switch changes between the two modes which are identical other than the views.
Actually the setup is pretty much like AWs view system where you had a 'toggle view' button. I've just carried the same setup over through WBs and AH.
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Actually, here....
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/murdrstick.jpg)
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/murdrthrottle.jpg)
Edit: Looks like I forgot to mark the mini-stick functions. I have it set to VIEWS: MOVE LEFT & RIGHT, and VIEWS: MOVE UP & DOWN (same function as arrow left & right, and page up & down on the keyboard).
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I was worried about motion sickness too. I get motion sick pretty easy. I turned off the roll axis (which doesn't offer anything really) because I adopted Mace's profile (who had it turned off) and I can tell you that I have never been the least bit queezy because of TIR. I think the roll axis might bother me a little.
The profile I use and other tuning ideas for TIR can be found on my web site under the "Downloads" section. http://snomhf.exofire.net
It took me several months to really get second nature with TIR (had been hat and keyboard viewer for 10 years+) and now I would NEVER want to go back.
-hb
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Views are like cooking chili. Everyone has their way.
I do this:
(http://tech-rep.org/stick.jpg)
(http://tech-rep.org/throttle.jpg)
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Hmmm it seems a bit sensitive to forward push on the stick... anyway to reduce that some?
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I use the CHCM program and set the middle finger button (the rightmost one as you use the throttle) to the "Shift" function. The Fighterstick 8-way is for views, with the pinky button as the up/down modifier. The pinky button is the Up view normally, then becomes the Down view when the Shift button is pressed. Using the Shift function allows me to overload all of the buttons, so there is no messing with stick modes.
And using the mini-mouse on the throttle for moving the views left/right and up/down is a life saver. Sun in your eyes? Shift your view so the canopy blocks it. A quick look to another view and it goes back to normal.
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Originally posted by Emu
In a bad furball, with multiple enemy cons, I end up getting dizzy moving my head so much. With TrackIR i found I was flying more defensively and focusing more on what other planes were doing (which is also a good thing) than what I was doing to counteract... I need to somewhat be able to disconnect where my eyes are looking with where I am actually going. In short, hasnt worked out for me yet, but that is also because I feel like its my first day flying and even zip code noobs shoot me down. So after an hour or so, I turn it off and go back to my trusted hat views and all is good.
I am giving it one more chance though. I just dont know when.
If you don't like it pm me, might be willing to buy it off of you.:D
donkey
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Hmmm it seems a bit sensitive to forward push on the stick... anyway to reduce that some?
Have you tried AKAK's stick scale? He used to work for CH.
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Originally posted by DoNKeY
If you don't like it pm me, might be willing to buy it off of you.:D
donkey
Built my "Free Track" setup last night and got it working first shot. Now I have to tweak it a bit to get it how I like it, but it looks promising.... whole deal cost about $30. I'll do a write up on it soon.
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Originally posted by Murdr
Have you tried AKAK's stick scale? He used to work for CH.
No but I have to do something. As far as I can tell, this is the WORST stick I've ever used... it sucks!
some noob named auld just out turned me in a tiffie.... FUDGE
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Are you turning the "trim wheels" at all? This is a very common mistake people make. Those are NOT "trim" wheels at all, but rather "pot adjustment" wheels. You are far better off centering them carefully (into the detents) and then calibrating carefully in Game Controllers (Windows) making sure you have good, accurate deflection in both the X and Y directions. After that, calibrate again from inside AH. Another common mistake is to think that if you calibrate from Windows, that is all you need. You MUST calibrate BOTH in Windows as well as in AH. That is true with all axes, not just the stick.
Hope that helps.
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Originally posted by HomeBoy
Are you turning the "trim wheels" at all? This is a very common mistake people make. Those are NOT "trim" wheels at all, but rather "pot adjustment" wheels. You are far better off centering them carefully (into the detents) and then calibrating carefully in Game Controllers (Windows) making sure you have good, accurate deflection in both the X and Y directions. After that, calibrate again from inside AH. Another common mistake is to think that if you calibrate from Windows, that is all you need. You MUST calibrate BOTH in Windows as well as in AH. That is true with all axes, not just the stick.
Hope that helps.
I haven't touched them. I'm sure it's just that I need more practice... I was just venting(whining) a little . lol.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Built my "Free Track" setup last night and got it working first shot. Now I have to tweak it a bit to get it how I like it, but it looks promising.... whole deal cost about $30. I'll do a write up on it soon.
That would be awesome! I was looking at the sight, but I still couldn't understand how exactly you assemble it. Anyways, a writeup would be great!! Oh, and have you seen any performance hits with it?
donkey