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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AAolds on January 04, 2008, 07:31:29 PM
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as of the time of this message, Bish got an 15+ eny in LW Orange, but our in flight #s are half of our total. Something like 170ish listed, but 80 in flight. Other sides had similiar #s in flight. In LW Blue, Bis are backed into a corner, low side, and no one has ENY.
I try make sense of this ENY thing, but it just does seem to work as intended.
Your .02 cents?
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Originally posted by AAolds
as of the time of this message, Bish got an 15+ eny in LW Orange, but our in flight #s are half of our total. Something like 170ish listed, but 80 in flight.
That's the Bish's problem if half stay in tower, not ENY's.
ENY is based on total population, not numbers in flight.
The base formula is Your country % compared to lowest country %.
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How many bishops were in flight compared to the those simply logged in? You'd need to know that, I think.
I'm sympathetic to your complaint, but more so about the specific ENY values of the aircraft, which should be based on use #s instead of opinion.
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Arena caps cause some players not to log when they're afk because they might not be able to get back into the arena they prefer. It's no fun spending 15 or 20 minutes trying to get into the same arena with the rest of your squad.
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When I posted this Bish had around 170ish total with 70-80 in flight in LWO. I am sure some were AFK to eat n such. Regardless, I logged, fighting with an unfair disadvantage is not how I want to spend my friday night.
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Originally posted by AAolds
When I posted this Bish had around 170ish total with 70-80 in flight in LWO. I am sure some were AFK to eat n such. Regardless, I logged, fighting with an unfair disadvantage is not how I want to spend my friday night.
You are saying 100 guys were AFK?
That sounds more like a bunch of squad guys wanting to hold their spots. I've got no sympathy :)
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Originally posted by AAolds
When I posted this Bish had around 170ish total with 70-80 in flight in LWO. I am sure some were AFK to eat n such. Regardless, I logged, fighting with an unfair disadvantage is not how I want to spend my friday night.
Ehmm inspite of being unfairly disadvantaged by ENY, the Bish still managed to capture bases by applying sheer force, i.e. overwhelming numbers :rolleyes:
And they just won the war...
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Not this again.......
Come on guys...This has been hashed over 100 times...
It's screwed up, you know it, I know it and HTC knows it.
But yet they refuse to accept it. So get over it.:noid
Only in AH do you pay to play a game that tells YOU where and what you can fly.
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Originally posted by SHawk
It's screwed up, you know it, I know it and HTC knows it.
All I know is, it's working fine...
Unless you insist on both hording enemy fields AND flying ENY 5 latewar monster planes at the same time.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Ehmm inspite of being unfairly disadvantaged by ENY, the Bish still managed to capture bases by applying sheer force, i.e. overwhelming numbers :rolleyes:
And they just won the war...
Man Wed night they ran at least 3 missions at one point. In one of the mission groups, they had a group of B17's was something like 25+ formations and then a group of B26'swith 27 formations (I counted them).. Just to capture one "small" airfield on the rook side.
The funny part was it took them 3 times to finally capture it.. :rofl
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AH unfair you say?
Well, tuff darts.
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Originally posted by AAolds
Something like 170ish listed, but 80 in flight.
Welcome to the Rooks on a winning night, or ANY side on a winning night!
ENY does its job, restricting a side with 70+ more people than the other countries from all flying La-7's and spit-16's. As for when there are 60-70 people just sitting in the tower there's an easy fix to that, switch to another countrie or another arena.
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teh bish horde monsters sittin in tower waiting for someone to make mission :noid :furious
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ENY really doesn't bother me that much.
Sure when I've been trying to up an La7 for base defence it makes me pick the 5 or an il2, but apart from that I don't fly low ENY planes that often.
I find I die just a quickly in high ENY planes as the low ones.:lol
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See Rule #5
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Originally posted by SHawk
See Rule #5
:rofl
I guess I hit a nerve :D
Btw, ever noticed that I don't switch on a daily base? I'm subject to the same ENY limits like everyone else.
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Originally posted by SHawk
See Rule #5
Bah! HUMBUG!
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Originally posted by AAolds
When I posted this Bish had around 170ish total with 70-80 in flight in LWO. I am sure some were AFK to eat n such. Regardless, I logged, fighting with an unfair disadvantage is not how I want to spend my friday night.
You guys should have stayed Rook. Then, this thread wouldn't have been started.
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Originally posted by SHawk
It's screwed up, you know it, I know it and HTC knows it.
Yeah, I almost had to fly a G today...:rofl
Originally posted by crockett
Man Wed night they ran at least 3 missions at one point. In one of the mission groups, they had a group of B17's was something like 25+ formations and then a group of B26'swith 27 formations (I counted them).. Just to capture one "small" airfield on the rook side.
The funny part was it took them 3 times to finally capture it.. :rofl
lol i think it was the bish today that ran an noe lanc, 110, and various fighters/goon mission across two sectors to get a small airfield. I think we started with like single digit defenders. They just barely got the town down, and didn't get the field as far as I know. Perfect place to be if you wanted play target practice:rofl
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See Rule #7
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Originally posted by AAolds
See Rule #7
True, but it was desired by the Bish and Knights to counter a "then defunct" RJO on a single day of the week.
They got it and yet they whine the loudest about it. I'll never attempt to understand it.
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Quick question I am sure has been answered before, but . . .
Does anyone know for certain if "number in flight" includes those in ships guns, field ack, or ground vehicles?
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After being rook for a month, I see no big difference at the number of ENY compaints on country channel. But the tone is a bit different: While ENY complaints on Rook side are more of a general nature, it has some conspiracy elements on the Knght side: "ENY always hits Knights only... Bish Rook would have no ENY with our numbers" :noid
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Originally posted by E25280
Quick question I am sure has been answered before, but . . .
Does anyone know for certain if "number in flight" includes those in ships guns, field ack, or ground vehicles?
Yes it does.
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Originally posted by Lusche
After being rook for a month, I see no big difference at the number of ENY compaints on country channel. But the tone is a bit different: While ENY complaints on Rook side are more of a general nature, it has some conspiracy elements on the Knght side "ENY always hits only... Bish Rook would have no ENY with our numbers" :noid
No, that happens on Bish occasionally too. It usually starts with "Hey! We only outnumber them by 20, and we have ENY! They outnumbered us by 20 last night and didn't have ENY!!"
Of course, then you have to point out that our 20 extra means a 15% total player differential while last night (when overall numbers in the arena were higher) their differential was only 7% or so.
It boils down to people seeing what they want to see, and sadly, everyone wants to be a victim these days.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Yes it does.
Thanks.
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I haven't played in a while... But what is this ENY problem? My Yak never had this problem. Nor did my D3A... Or that Spit 1 I flew every now and then.
Hmm... I got nothing against the more powerful late war birds. They're good, they're d*** good, and with a good stick some are nigh untouchable for a rookie like myself.
But you'd think that a bunch of grown men could just suck it up a bit and fly something a bit weaker. Your pony-D unavailable? Fly the B. Your LA-7 unavailable, fly the 5.
If you fly it cause it has special meaning to you, and it's unavailable, fly something else, You never know, some other plane might catch your eye. I never even knew what a Yak was until I decided to up it because I got tired of the F4U.
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Originally posted by Hien
But you'd think that a bunch of grown men could just suck it up a bit and fly something a bit weaker. Your pony-D unavailable? Fly the B. Your LA-7 unavailable, fly the 5.
NO.
That would make to much sense.
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I got it!
HTC wanted to turn a great combat sim into a kids game to attract the gaming masses from a dying AW. I mean it makes sense, doesn't it?
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Originally posted by zoozoo
teh bish horde monsters sittin in tower waiting for someone to make mission :noid :furious
More probably they sit in tower because of their late war uber rides are not available. Some ppl just cannt fly anything else, they prefer to cry and whine everywhere.
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AAolds your squad should have went knights we dont have to many ENY problems. PLUS OUTSTAND PERK POINTS.
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There is nothing stopping a squad from switching countries. When numbers are that off, it only makes sense for a squad coming into the arena to bounce elsewhere. Squad channel is a wonderful thing. Easy to talk it over and move.
Better fights help everyone. I think the 80th guys who flew tonight flew 2 different countries and 3 arenas over the course of the evening and we flew together each time. We just went where the fight was.
Had fun too :)
I think you'll find there are a number of squads who do just that, and many times you'll see guys from those squads on more then one country and even possibly fighting each other and no one is the worse for it and feelings don't get hurt. They understand it's all in fun.:aok
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Won't happen Corky... they need 20+ guys to capture an undefended base, it makes them feel superior to gain 10 perks when they 'W1N Z3 W@R!'
There is a certain squad that is particularly laughable, you could tie them all together and the rope would never break as they roll from base to base.
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170bish vs 80 knits vs 80 rooks....
hardly "fair" yet u whine about ENY stopping u fly La7's?
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I beleave they had a 22 eny when it was 193 bish. 93 knights and 108 rooks.
I dont mind eny. Ive goten use to flying so called "Crap" planes. Eny 29.
P40E pwns.
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Never ceases to amaze me how people used to whine about "their country" having the least numbers and their fields getting taken by hordes of P-51s or La-7s or whatever. So HTC comes up with the ENY thingie to make things "fair". So now, the same people whine when they can't up a horde of LAs or Ponies to do what they complained about others doing before :huh
Or when people will say there is nothing to fly because the ENY is 20+ and their are all sorts of 109s, some 190s, etc, to choose from :rolleyes:
I feel your pain and I don't like ENY, but great day, don't cry about it. Log off and left the other sode win, switch countries so you can take your favorite ride, or suck it up and realize the wheel turns and it will be your turn.
:aok
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i thought eny only efected the country that won the war last time
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Originally posted by AAolds
15+ eny in LW Orange
15 ENY really doesn't limit you that much at all.
That will still allow you all of the 190s, all of the 109s, all of spits (bar the 16) plus a whole bunch of other stuff.
Try look at this way, ENY doesn't restrict your fun it just helps you to chose something different....
When ENY gets to 20+.... no bother... fly some mid-war aircraft. You'll be surprised at how much fun you'll have landing kills in Spit Vs, 109 G 2/6s, 190 As...
Instead of getting cut about it, just fly something different.
Treat it as a challenge, not a restriction.
There are still plenty of aircraft to haul bombs and dogfight in.
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Originally posted by splitatom
i thought eny only efected the country that won the war last time
It always does...because of the side switching perk farmers.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Yes it does.
Pardon my ignorance, but what the hell is ENY!?!
I think HT should return to the KISS method of programing, ie, KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!! Just my .02
dentin :furious
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Originally posted by splitatom
i thought eny only efected the country that won the war last time
ENY effects the country with the largest population vs the one with the smallest. So if the largest has 50 more people than the smallest, then the largest country can not fly the better planes. However, if half the people from the biggest country switch to the smallest, ENY disappears for everyone and there is nothing to complain about...... other than HOin, cherry picking, vulchin, spawn camping, and.... :D
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Originally posted by Overlag
170bish vs 80 knits vs 80 rooks....
hardly "fair" yet u whine about ENY stopping u fly La7's?
I dont fly La7 much at all, so this must be directed at someone else.
My objection was that when the Bish had nearly 100 people sitting in tower, those of us in flight are punished for it while our enemy with similar in flight numbers are not restricted.
Skuzzy, Im a lil confused as to how one of my posts violated rule #7, please e-mail me details if you get the chance, otherwise, ill just take your word for it.
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Originally posted by AAolds
I dont fly La7 much at all, so this must be directed at someone else.
My objection was that when the Bish had nearly 100 people sitting in tower, those of us in flight are punished for it while our enemy with similar in flight numbers are not restricted.
Skuzzy, Im a lil confused as to how one of my posts violated rule #7, please e-mail me details if you get the chance, otherwise, ill just take your word for it.
That's your country's problem if they wont come out of the tower.
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Originally posted by AAolds
Skuzzy, Im a lil confused as to how one of my posts violated rule #7, please e-mail me details if you get the chance, otherwise, ill just take your word for it.
Dropping the F-bomb, regardless how it is masked, will always draw that. Do it often enough and we will take it you no longer wish to participate in bulletin board discussions.
If you want private conversations with me, then email me.
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Some things never change huh skuzzy? Happy new year to you all
:aok
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Originally posted by SpikesX
It always does...because of the side switching perk farmers.
If there were a lot sideswitching perk farmers, there would be no ENY to worry about for anyone, because nothing gets you more perks than flying on the outnumbered side. A few sorties with perk bonus modifier of 1.5 and lots of targets can make you laugh about the 25 reset perkies ;)
So if there were a lot of sideswitchers, there would be no outnumbered team any more ... not necessarily a bad thing.
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Originally posted by Xargos
Arena caps cause some players not to log when they're afk because they might not be able to get back into the arena they prefer. It's no fun spending 15 or 20 minutes trying to get into the same arena with the rest of your squad.
MID WAR BABY :D
My squaddies and I are going on tour in teh MWA aka "Purple People Eater" on squad nights.
Although our squad is big and usually elevates the ENY :D btw, your welcome :)
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Originally posted by AAolds
Skuzzy, Im a lil confused as to how one of my posts violated rule #7, please e-mail me details if you get the chance, otherwise, ill just take your word for it.
Some people are sensitive.
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Originally posted by AAolds
as of the time of this message, Bish got an 15+ eny in LW Orange, but our in flight #s are half of our total. Something like 170ish listed, but 80 in flight. Other sides had similiar #s in flight. In LW Blue, Bis are backed into a corner, low side, and no one has ENY.
I try make sense of this ENY thing, but it just does seem to work as intended.
Your .02 cents?
two things i do if i can't fly the plane i want(which since i'm not as good as a lot of you are usually has an easy button installed)....i go to another arena, or i GV it,,,,,,,
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
If you want private conversations with me, then email me.
Is that like a 1-900 number?
"For hot chat with romantic singles, e-mail Skuzzy at support@hitechcreations.com, he is waiting for you..."
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Dropping the F-bomb, regardless how it is masked, will always draw that. Do it often enough and we will take it you no longer wish to participate in bulletin board discussions.
If you want private conversations with me, then email me.
Understood, sorry.
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Those ENY numbers don't make any sense to me.
Some of the most powerful planes represented in this game are 15-20 Eny value.
Yak 9, La 5FN, Bf 109K-4, Fw 190D-9, a raft of others.
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I'm sympathetic to your complaint
well i'm not. dont know about other times of day but recently when I log in there are consistently 30-50% more bish than nit or rook. must be nice to have a spare horde of 30 players to roll bases at will...