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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Redlegs on January 05, 2008, 04:22:46 PM
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I keep hearing stories about someone named Voss. Who is he, and why do is he a joke? I searched his name and from what I read I couldn't find anything except he complained a lot. I did see someone playing COD4:MW under the name Voss and asked if he ever heard of a game called Aces High, but he didn't respond.
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This just keeps getting better and better...
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Another Voss thread!! wheeeeeeeeeeee!
I play COD4 (PC) but haven't run into him. If he does contact you I'm sure he'll tell you he is working on a virtual reality FPS and he will give you a great investment opportunity. Don't forget to ask him for a ride in his f16 and p51
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Christmas Crash map! love that map.
The X-box version doesn't have the big Christmas tree.
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And watch out for the scorpions and KGB agents following him.
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Can I get a serious answer someone?
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http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123551&highlight=The+voss+conspiracy
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You didn't see the 40+ page thread on him in your research? He told several people in the flight sim community he was making a new, awesome, amazing flight sim. Pictures were posted, but they were just artwork. Some people lost thousands of dollars in "investments" in the game to Paul Hinds AKA Voss.
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When it comes to the subject of Voss, I doubt you'll find an answer through the ridicule. FWIW you could try a more in depth search of the BBS, and you may find some answers.
Suffice to say he appears to have taken advantage of the flight-sim community in general with false promises of a new and greatly improved style of combat simulation. Some folks even parted with money to help development of what appears to be a vapourware product. It's not an uncommon scam, gamers are sometimes too eager to part with their hard earned for a taste of something that offers a greater experience.
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From what I remember...
Voss decided to start his own MMPOG flight sim. He recruited a few people to help out and someone donated some hardware to help him develop the game. He announced it as a game that would do everything. The most realistic FM, the most realistic strategy and the most realistic everything he forgot to mention.
The threads started to get a bit fun at that time. People started with "WB sucks... TAS is going to have this in it..." threads and things got ugly quickly. Side note: this is why nobody with experience with on-line sims should weigh promises against existing product - lesson learned.
People got a little tired of promises and wanted to see some results. Voss posted a "screenshot" from the game that was quickly identified as a drawing. This opened a can of worms as voss had given us a brief look at his true nature. People began to question everything.
He'd also claimed to be a PhD and to have graduated from the Air Force Academy. Someone who had attended the academny wanted to know when. Voss answered vaguely, but it was about the same time he'd graduated from there so he checked to see if he was in a class ahead of or behind him. It turns out Voss had never attended.
Voss also claimed to have flown an F-16 in Desert storm (for the CIA) and to have had a couple of kills. This "lie" I find particularly funny. Voss has an RC model of an F-16. He still maintains that flying it is just like flying the real thing and still calls himself an F-16 pilot. The "I'm an f-16 pilot" thing grew into a totally uncontrollable lie.
As all of his lies were being unravelled... the really wierd stories started up. First, he was out because he was bitten by a scorpion in the desert. Then, the brain tumor (shich would definately explain everything else). Both of those turned out to be lies too.
That's about when everything TAS pretty much died out.
Of course, this community has a long memory, so when voss came back to AH and started getting preachy about morals and ethics, it wasn't too warmly received. Thus "the biggest egos in the game" thread grew to about 350 posts, most of which were bashing voss.
That's a great thread to read. Voss still manages to get a few gems in such as "You've all violated your NDA from the TAS beta. Be expecting a call from the FBI shortly.".
Damn... he's a constant reminder that even the worst people in the game pale in comparison.
MiniD
I knew MiniD would be good for something since his PNG.
Or, as SOB said, "Gay, gay, gay, stupid gay, gay, gay, gay, gay." or words to that affect.
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http://www.combatsim.com/review.php?id=399
for an 1997 interview with Mr. Voss about his (then) upcoming game TAS
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
From what I remember...
Voss decided to start his own MMPOG flight sim. He recruited a few people to help out and someone donated some hardware to help him develop the game. He announced it as a game that would do everything. The most realistic FM, the most realistic strategy and the most realistic everything he forgot to mention.
The threads started to get a bit fun at that time. People started with "WB sucks... TAS is going to have this in it..." threads and things got ugly quickly. Side note: this is why nobody with experience with on-line sims should weigh promises against existing product - lesson learned.
People got a little tired of promises and wanted to see some results. Voss posted a "screenshot" from the game that was quickly identified as a drawing. This opened a can of worms as voss had given us a brief look at his true nature. People began to question everything.
He'd also claimed to be a PhD and to have graduated from the Air Force Academy. Someone who had attended the academny wanted to know when. Voss answered vaguely, but it was about the same time he'd graduated from there so he checked to see if he was in a class ahead of or behind him. It turns out Voss had never attended.
Voss also claimed to have flown an F-16 in Desert storm (for the CIA) and to have had a couple of kills. This "lie" I find particularly funny. Voss has an RC model of an F-16. He still maintains that flying it is just like flying the real thing and still calls himself an F-16 pilot. The "I'm an f-16 pilot" thing grew into a totally uncontrollable lie.
As all of his lies were being unravelled... the really wierd stories started up. First, he was out because he was bitten by a scorpion in the desert. Then, the brain tumor (shich would definately explain everything else). Both of those turned out to be lies too.
That's about when everything TAS pretty much died out.
Of course, this community has a long memory, so when voss came back to AH and started getting preachy about morals and ethics, it wasn't too warmly received. Thus "the biggest egos in the game" thread grew to about 350 posts, most of which were bashing voss.
That's a great thread to read. Voss still manages to get a few gems in such as "You've all violated your NDA from the TAS beta. Be expecting a call from the FBI shortly.".
Damn... he's a constant reminder that even the worst people in the game pale in comparison.
MiniD
I knew MiniD would be good for something since his PNG.
Or, as SOB said, "Gay, gay, gay, stupid gay, gay, gay, gay, gay." or words to that affect.
Don't forget the photo he posted of him in a P51 that was proven to be a photoshop fake.
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Originally posted by Redlegs
Can I get a serious answer someone?
You're the kind that requires something more simple than the invisible clues so invisibly invisible in this thread, aret'cha?
ESKIMO! Bwahahahahahaha! :D
p.s. Sometimes a Voss is just another Werner fan. Sometimes a banana is just a banana. A scorpion a scorpion. A CIA F-16 ninja sniper fighter pilot just another CIA F-16 ninja sniper fighter pilot. A vaporware scam a vaporware scam.
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Well...
The guy is still running Fighter Ops (http://www.fighterops.com/)
Not much has changed - same vapor ware - same style. I came across this gem in their forums. Hell it even reads like Voss.
It reads: http://www.fighterops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8016
Regarding leaked info...
As many of you might already know, very specific and extremely confidential Area 51 terrain pictures with the latest developer’s diaries were leaked by an Area 51 forum individual... as a result they began appearing and circulating in various forums abroad, including the new DCS (Black Shark) website.
As a consequence to this, a few thoughtless forum members on the DCS (Black Shark) website believe they are doing everyone a huge favor by inappropriately accusing XSI of redistributing screenshots that are not from the Fighter Ops development, essentially playing a very immature senseless and tasteless game, based on their own futile assumptions. To the greater extent, they are generally making extreme fools of themselves.
This may be the result of feeling threatened or just plain resentment to our development, many accusations have been made against us with a demand for an explanation. First of all, we of course do not owe explanations to anyone; however we have made the decision to make a post to clear up any confusion and save certain people from looking more foolish.
We are certainly not in direct competition with DCS (Black Shark) or anyone else, in fact we support their development very much, but nevertheless we do see the rivalry forming between members.
To be frank, we were expecting some retort to these leaks, but not with this level of intensity… our position naturally is that we are more than flattered by the comparison some have expressed to our massive spherical Fighter Ops terrain engine in its progressive development to “Terragen”. Terragen and the Fighter Ops terrain engine are obviously completely different programs, designed for completely different purposes. All of our images have been produced in run time, where as Terragen renders single images only.
This is the situation which has occurred in this instance; the water rendering algorithms in particular were based off a number of ideas concepts and research thesis papers from 2004 and coded ourselves, into our engine, by Fighter Ops coders. This is the by-product of our research.
On the other hand as developers we are very conscious of the technology that is being developed at this level for various software products, how can we not be. Fighter Ops has been devouring this technology for some time, and it needs to draw on tomorrow’s software technology that is based fundamentally on ideas and examples that are profoundly researched and brought to existence in various forms.
Many of these forms consist of research papers, thesis papers, and dissertations etc that have been released for public domain. We are using many of these ideas to shape this technology for us… some of this is shown through examples. The same holds true for every cutting edge software entertainment developer… many development companies devote entire departments to this type of research, and that is precisely how games such as Crysis etc, are fashioned.
In fact you could do the same for many of the technologies in Crysis as with any other game; they have their roots in research papers and techniques in the public domain from which you could easily find similar demonstrations and programs. We do the same intense research through various departments, and because of that we are able to show off a development cycle of progressions through various mediums such as screenshots etc, and then substituted by new mediums that null the older previous versions. There is a very important reason for keeping this technology in-house and in Area 51, and that is for the reason that we can manage and control them with various technical and appropriate responses from experienced and qualified team members. They are not for inexperienced non developers to exploit.
There is no denying our existence in this market place and beyond, perhaps some see us as a future potential threat… we are not trying to protect ourselves, we are simply very confident in our abilities.
Fighter Ops Staff.
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Voss as in our NZ Voss?
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Originally posted by Redlegs
I keep hearing stories about someone named Voss. Who is he, and why do is he a joke? I searched his name and from what I read I couldn't find anything except he complained a lot. I did see someone playing COD4:MW under the name Voss and asked if he ever heard of a game called Aces High, but he didn't respond.
Ask him if his clan's name is Red Scorpions with the motto, "Our sting is so brutal, it will give you a heart attack!"
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Its sad, I knew a guy that had the same personality disorder as Voss. This guy was actually pretty bright, and very friendly. But he was subject to absurd grandiosity, and he would tell giant lies. Then he would begin to take advantage of people.
I've researched it, and people like Voss and my former friend suffer from Narcissistic personality disorder.
Diagnostic criteria
-has a grandiose sense of self-importance
-is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
-believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by other special people
-requires excessive admiration
-strong sense of entitlement
-takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
lacks empathy
-is often envious or believes others are envious of him or her
arrogant behavior
Most pathological liars have this personality disorder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
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Well, in his defense, he doesn't claim to know everything about the F-14 Tomcat unlike.... ;)
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Shaddup shrimp, you said you'd never tell!
:)
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You are all violating national security with all this dissin of..............."The Big Guy".
:noid :rolleyes:
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'Megatron' was in the DA furball area last night
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Originally posted by Wolfala
Well...
The guy is still running Fighter Ops (http://www.fighterops.com/)
Not much has changed - same vapor ware - same style. I came across this gem in their forums. Hell it even reads like Voss.
It reads: http://www.fighterops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8016
Regarding leaked info...
As many of you might already know, very specific and extremely confidential Area 51 terrain pictures with the latest developer’s diaries were leaked by an Area 51 forum individual... as a result they began appearing and circulating in various forums abroad, including the new DCS (Black Shark) website.
As a consequence to this, a few thoughtless forum members on the DCS (Black Shark) website believe they are doing everyone a huge favor by inappropriately accusing XSI of redistributing screenshots that are not from the Fighter Ops development, essentially playing a very immature senseless and tasteless game, based on their own futile assumptions. To the greater extent, they are generally making extreme fools of themselves.
This may be the result of feeling threatened or just plain resentment to our development, many accusations have been made against us with a demand for an explanation. First of all, we of course do not owe explanations to anyone; however we have made the decision to make a post to clear up any confusion and save certain people from looking more foolish.
We are certainly not in direct competition with DCS (Black Shark) or anyone else, in fact we support their development very much, but nevertheless we do see the rivalry forming between members.
To be frank, we were expecting some retort to these leaks, but not with this level of intensity… our position naturally is that we are more than flattered by the comparison some have expressed to our massive spherical Fighter Ops terrain engine in its progressive development to “Terragen”. Terragen and the Fighter Ops terrain engine are obviously completely different programs, designed for completely different purposes. All of our images have been produced in run time, where as Terragen renders single images only.
This is the situation which has occurred in this instance; the water rendering algorithms in particular were based off a number of ideas concepts and research thesis papers from 2004 and coded ourselves, into our engine, by Fighter Ops coders. This is the by-product of our research.
On the other hand as developers we are very conscious of the technology that is being developed at this level for various software products, how can we not be. Fighter Ops has been devouring this technology for some time, and it needs to draw on tomorrow’s software technology that is based fundamentally on ideas and examples that are profoundly researched and brought to existence in various forms.
Many of these forms consist of research papers, thesis papers, and dissertations etc that have been released for public domain. We are using many of these ideas to shape this technology for us… some of this is shown through examples. The same holds true for every cutting edge software entertainment developer… many development companies devote entire departments to this type of research, and that is precisely how games such as Crysis etc, are fashioned.
In fact you could do the same for many of the technologies in Crysis as with any other game; they have their roots in research papers and techniques in the public domain from which you could easily find similar demonstrations and programs. We do the same intense research through various departments, and because of that we are able to show off a development cycle of progressions through various mediums such as screenshots etc, and then substituted by new mediums that null the older previous versions. There is a very important reason for keeping this technology in-house and in Area 51, and that is for the reason that we can manage and control them with various technical and appropriate responses from experienced and qualified team members. They are not for inexperienced non developers to exploit.
There is no denying our existence in this market place and beyond, perhaps some see us as a future potential threat… we are not trying to protect ourselves, we are simply very confident in our abilities.
Fighter Ops Staff.
Do you think it is any coincidence that the Cessna 182 listed in the 2006 Dec sections of the screen shots is the same one listed on Avsim's website. It is a re-paint for Carenado's Cessna 182Q. I Googled the tail number, this file popped up. http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=94697&CatID=fs2004acrp&Cookie=1
It looks like they added some (really) crappy smoke effect to the side of the aircraft, coming from the intake...
The skins are not exactly the same, the skin has been modified...the whole thing looks photo shopped. I love how they compare themselves with a reputable company like DCS. That whole website stinks. You can buy a membership for 25$ and get insider info about this upcoming gem of flight simulation..
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I'd say they look close to identical with the exception that the landing lights were removed, and those grease smudges were added. The rest is the same.
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not only that but, the file and their "screen shot" were both released in Dec 2006. My guess would be someone cruised the files section, saw this aircraft and made a "screen shot" I bet you if you looked close that King Air 200 is AeroWorx B200 also. http://www.aeroworx.com/
That T-38 is most likely FSD's freeware T-38 they released for FS 2004. There are hundreds of re-paints of that bird. Same for that C-17, another FSD bird.
http://www.fsd-international.com/Hangar/T38/
Wouldn't surprise me to find out that any or all of those birds were work done by someone else and then stolen to sell a website "membership".
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
'Megatron' was in the DA furball area last night
Isn't Megatron the same guy that used to be GPreddy, which were both shade accounts from some guy in the 367th? Can't recall his name now, but I think it started with an R or something like that. You know, the guy that had a string of bad luck.
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Well...all I can say is - here we go again...
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Originally posted by BBBB
It looks like they added some (really) crappy smoke effect to the side of the aircraft, coming from the intake...
The skins are not exactly the same, the skin has been modified...the whole thing looks photo shopped. I love how they compare themselves with a reputable company like DCS. That whole website stinks. You can buy a membership for 25$ and get insider info about this upcoming gem of flight simulation..
Does anyone have any information on their company? There is nothing on their website about them nor who is on their staff. Google search doesn't turn up any information on these guys if you search by their company name.
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Yes, that 25$ seems very suspect, for what seems like nothing more than some 3d-models on top of Google Earth surfaces.
No indication of any real substance after some 3(?) years of development.
:noid
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Isn't Megatron the same guy that used to be GPreddy, which were both shade accounts from some guy in the 367th? Can't recall his name now, but I think it started with an R or something like that. You know, the guy that had a string of bad luck.
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Ahh.. I was thinking of 'MetaTron' sorry.
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Xtreme Simulations International, LLC. is the '"official" company name they use. They claim to be a Limited Liability Corporation.
Sim HQ had two of their members sit on some panel to discuss the future of flight sims. The two individuals listed are both from XSI (fighterops).
http://www.simhq.com/_commentary/all_009a.html
Rick “Rjetster” Ladomade
Vice President, Treasury
Julian “Buckshot” Leonard
Vice President, Engineering
Those are the only two people I have found to be working for XSI. I am not sure how many members they really have. It would be worth looking into XSI a bit more, if nothing more than for the entertainment value.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Isn't Megatron the same guy that used to be GPreddy, which were both shade accounts from some guy in the 367th? Can't recall his name now, but I think it started with an R or something like that. You know, the guy that had a string of bad luck.
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i think you mean the 357th pony express.
the squad ranks were thining but it was still a good squad until they lowered the tard threshold and let me join. can't recall a megatron though, but it was no secret that gpreedy was voss, not that i cared enough about whatever it was he was supposed to have done not to fly with him, coz i didn't care.
and where ever voss is these days he must get a chuckle out the knoweledge that he's bunched the panties of so many for so long
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Wonder if sex offenders feel the same way about the website that list their names and talk about their crimes.
I'm sure he likes being the butt of all jokes.
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Originally posted by Excel1
and where ever voss is these days he must get a chuckle out the knoweledge that he's bunched the panties of so many for so long
He'd be as deluded as ever... If anyone had his panties in a bunch, it was him.
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Originally posted by Excel1
i think you mean the 357th pony express.
the squad ranks were thining but it was still a good squad until they lowered the tard threshold and let me join. can't recall a megatron though, but it was no secret that gpreedy was voss, not that i cared enough about whatever it was he was supposed to have done not to fly with him, coz i didn't care.
and where ever voss is these days he must get a chuckle out the knoweledge that he's bunched the panties of so many for so long
And I'm sure he's made good use of the money and equipment given to him.
Just because he's a squaddie, don't make it right.
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Originally posted by BBBB
Those are the only two people I have found to be working for XSI. I am not sure how many members they really have. It would be worth looking into XSI a bit more, if nothing more than for the entertainment value.
Domain Name.......... fighterops.com
Creation Date........ 2004-02-28
Registration Date.... 2004-02-28
Expiry Date.......... 2011-02-28
Organisation Name.... Xtreme Simulations International
Organisation Address. 1626 Hartsook ST.
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Valley Village
Organisation Address. 91601
Organisation Address. CA
Organisation Address. UNITED STATES
Admin Name........... Tejay Beauparlant
Admin Address........ 759 Woodberry Road
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Lexington
Admin Address........ 29073
Admin Address........ SC
Admin Address........ UNITED STATES
Admin Email.......... tejay@fighterops.com
Admin Phone.......... +1 (818) 749-8049
Admin Fax............ 1|803|926-1270|
Tech Name............ Host Master
Tech Address......... 1253 N Research Way
Tech Address......... Suite Q-2500
Tech Address......... Orem
Tech Address......... 84097
Tech Address......... UT
Tech Address......... UNITED STATES
Tech Email........... hostmaster@uolwebservices.com
Tech Phone........... +1.8014376199
Tech Fax............. +1.8014376020
Name Server.......... ns0.dnsmadeeasy.com
Name Server.......... ns1.dnsmadeeasy.com
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Originally posted by Excel1
i think you mean the 357th pony express.
the squad ranks were thining but it was still a good squad until they lowered the tard threshold and let me join. can't recall a megatron though, but it was no secret that gpreedy was voss, not that i cared enough about whatever it was he was supposed to have done not to fly with him, coz i didn't care.
and where ever voss is these days he must get a chuckle out the knoweledge that he's bunched the panties of so many for so long
No, Rod from the 367th is who I meant. He was GPreddy and I also believe Megatron.
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What gave you that impression?
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Originally posted by Xargos
I'm sure he likes being the butt of all jokes.
what jokes?
i have read voss is the devil threads on this board from since i can't remember when and i would describe them as unfunny boring and obsessive
if voss really is the big bad demon some people make him out to be then i'm pretty sure he ain't losing much sleep over a few lame f-16 and scorpion jokes.
Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Just because he's a squaddie, don't make it right.
thats cute
tell you what, you give me an ironclad accurate list of the in game handles of any players that are paedophiles or any other likewise human trash so i can avoid them in order that i'm not being seen to condone their real life actions, coz call me cynical i'm not going to take much notice of any accusations on this board in particular or the internet in general.
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Professional scam artists don't want you to know they're around so I doubt he's happy he's still being talked about.
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If we had a child molestor here to do a Chris Hanson on, that would increase our traffic and AH exposure exponentially. Recent events on the Tubes have proved that to great effect.
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I just checked out the Fighter Ops page. At least Paul can make a decent website.
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Originally posted by moot
What gave you that impression?
Because as GPreddy, he had sent me a PM once saying he was Ron and that GPreddy was a 2nd account set up for his son or son-in-law that he played on from time to time.
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Originally posted by Excel1
what jokes?
i have read voss is the devil threads on this board from since i can't remember when and i would describe them as unfunny boring and obsessive
if voss really is the big bad demon some people make him out to be then i'm pretty sure he ain't losing much sleep over a few lame f-16 and scorpion jokes.
thats cute
tell you what, you give me an ironclad accurate list of the in game handles of any players that are paedophiles or any other likewise human trash so i can avoid them in order that i'm not being seen to condone their real life actions, coz call me cynical i'm not going to take much notice of any accusations on this board in particular or the internet in general.
What are you head of the voss fan club? You are defending your actions as far as being a pal of his..if that is OK and there is nothing wrong with that, then why are you being so defensive?
As for the website info, someone needs to really look into this. Four years of "development" and all they have to show for it are some 3dmax renders on top of Google earth. They are selling "memberships" for a game that is nothing more than an idea. As I have said before, I wouldn't be surprised to find out most if not all those "models" are someone else work, re-skined to sell a website. Hey the scam worked so well the first time, why not try for a second.
When I Googled "Tejay Beauparlant" it comes up with a photo website, this guy seems to have an F-16 fetish also. He even has a picture of someone in the cockpit, which he claims is him, he has the photo labeled "my office"
http://www.pbase.com/tejay
After digging some more it seems Mr Beauparlant listed himself as the G2Interactive Inc VP Marketing & Special Projects. I looked up G2Interactive and what do you know..Area 51 comes up again. http://www.g2interactive.com/area-51.shtml
The forums are pretty much dead, a lot of people asking whats up after years of "development" and no releases.
This seems typical for these guys. First Vaporware, then G2I and now Fighterops..wow. How is this stuff allowed to go on? It is an out and out scam. Nothing more. Garbage..just garbage.
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this would make a great 60 minutes or some such show investigative report. nothing like a good national shaming to shake things up for a scammer.
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Originally posted by Geary420
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Admin Name........... Tejay Beauparlant
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How fitting :rofl
for you french impaired :
"beau parlant" is close to "beau parleur" meaning : sweet talker
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WTG Excel :aok :rofl
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Voss....WWI fighter ace.
Recent Voss....freekie-juju scam guy.
:noid :noid :noid :noid :noid
68ROX
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lol, Voss was a tard. Always was.
The only thing I can think to call Voss today though, is a thief. Scam artist is too nice.
CombatSim hit the nail on the head with their comment about Voss.
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Actually come to think of it, Voss and Straiga both shared a common direction. Pathetic liars.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
lol, Voss was a tard. Always was.
The only thing I can think to call Voss today though, is a thief. Scam artist is too nice.
CombatSim hit the nail on the head with their comment about Voss.
Got a great quote from CombatSim. "On that setup we had a 400 Lancaster AI flight escorted by 32 user Hurricanes engaging 132 german fighters under heavy flak. My frame rate slowed to 19fps in the heat of battle."
Hell 10 years later we can't even do that!
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Originally posted by Wolfala
Got a great quote from CombatSim. "On that setup we had a 400 Lancaster AI flight escorted by 32 user Hurricanes engaging 132 german fighters under heavy flak. My frame rate slowed to 19fps in the heat of battle."
Hell 10 years later we can't even do that!
Well, the man is ahead of his time. Just like Leonardo.
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Originally posted by BBBB
What are you head of the voss fan club? You are defending your actions as far as being a pal of his..if that is OK and there is nothing wrong with that, then why are you being so defensive?
lol
that's what i love about this board- assumptive reasoning
apart from being in the same squad for a time and reading the voss threads i don't know voss, so we are not pals. and i'm not defending anyone. frode implied wrongly that i was "good" with whatever sins voss had supposedly committed because he was a squaddie. i gave my reasons in my last post why i didn't view voss any differently in the game from the hundreds if not thousands of anonymous players that i have come in contact with over the years
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Excel1 = Voss
[SIZE=8]I knew it!!![/SIZE]
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Excel1, we have a saying where I come from; "A hit dog hollers". I don't recall anyone implying anything about you. This thread is not even about you. You were the one that came in and directed the attention to yourself though your nonchalant attitude towards Voss's actions.
Your comments were almost bragging in nature about how you use to be a squad mate of Voss. You made comments that insinuated that Voss would get some joy out of coming in here and seeing that we all have our "panties in a wad" over his scams. If that is not approval of wrong doing then I don't know what is. You brought attention to yourself, nobody sought you out to bash you. Get your facts straight. :aok
BTW: Does being head of the VFC get you really good deals on Area 51 stuff? I can't wait until they release the demo for that game, I bet it is going to be swell. :noid
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Originally posted by Redlegs
Can I get a serious answer someone?
Not around here.
:lol,
Wab
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Originally posted by Redlegs
I keep hearing stories about someone named Voss. Who is he, and why do is he a joke? I searched his name and from what I read I couldn't find anything except he complained a lot. I did see someone playing COD4:MW under the name Voss and asked if he ever heard of a game called Aces High, but he didn't respond.
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try and find me i am splitatom
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bbb
geez i don't feel bashed. i'm not even annoyed that you have misconstrued and twisted what i have said... this is the o'club after all. i can only conclude that your not happy that i posted something that’s at odds with the usual "lets demonize voss" spew . tough cheese, coz i have no ill feeling towards voss and if others do then that's their perogative. so feel free to believe what you like and opinionate as i will do. but i don't think i will be seeking your permission before i post on voss or any subject :aok
eskimo, you need to shoot your bloodhound. voss is a better stick, plus i can't fit an f-16 in my garage with the f-22 being in there and all :)
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Originally posted by Lusche
http://www.combatsim.com/review.php?id=399
for an 1997 interview with Mr. Voss about his (then) upcoming game TAS
What I find interesting about that interview is the fact that Hinds never said "we", everything was "I". He did everything for that "sim" Amazing.
Excel1, if you choose to be associated with a common criminal and that is OK with you, then that is fine by me. I will be sure to stay as far from you as I can.
You are OK with the crimes Mr Hinds committed. You said so yourself, that in it's self speaks volumes to me about the type of character you, yourself are. The phrase "thick as thieves" comes to mind here.
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this is comical but it's getting old.
i'm done here, but just to reasure you that if you really are worried that i might corrupt you that i'll stay out of georgia? which shouldn't be a problem since i'm at the arse end of the world anyway.
btw don't forget to check under your bed at night coz i heard that voss works part time as the boogeyman ;)
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"demonize, Show phonetics
verb [T]
to try to make someone or a group of people seem as if they are completely evil:"
Where was this done? Voss was pointed out for exactly what he is and has done, no exagerations... No one said he was evil, and probably no one gives a crap if he is. Just about everyone understood he was a crook out to sucker people into donating to his vaporware.
He's the same as the mugu nigerian scambaiters. No one expects them to appear anywhere else than in their daily spam, nor fears him or has any sort of obsession with him like you describe. Everyone just knows he's a scum sucking recidivist.
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Originally posted by moot
"demonize, Show phonetics
verb [T]
to try to make someone or a group of people seem as if they are completely evil:"
Where was this done? Voss was pointed out for exactly what he is and has done, no exagerations... No one said he was evil, and probably no one gives a crap if he is. Just about everyone understood he was a crook out to sucker people into donating to his vaporware.
He's the same as the mugu nigerian scambaiters. No one expects them to appear anywhere else than in their daily spam, nor fears him or has any sort of obsession with him like you describe. Everyone just knows he's a scum sucking recidivist.
other than the obvious nit picking if your making a point i can't see it.
i never said voss wasn't a crook. i did say that i don't pay any attention to accusations or trials and convictions for that matter made on this board, period. in other words i'm not going to judge the character of voss or anyone else that plays the game based on what i read here in fantasyland that is posted by others. as far as i'm concerned the game is a million miles removed from the o'club, and as cartoonish as the game is imo it's far more credible. if that’s hard to understand then that's not my problem.
i'll give you demonize, that's over the top. obsessive, i think i'm spot on there. a serial killer in the ranks would probably get less attention here than voss has.
btw, it's funny how the venom directed at voss in my experience at least was nearly all directed at him in the hen's club and not in the game. from my observation a lot of players new voss was gpreedy and interacted with him regardless. not saying it didn't happen but when i was online and doing squad stuff i never saw gpreedy er the despicable voss get a hard time from other players. obviously voss must have had a lot of criminal cohorts back then, or maybe, and more likely they just chose to skip the bs and play the game rather than grind an axe for other sanctimonious ****ers
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I just want to make this clear Excel....
Thieves are ok with you as long as they are squadmates, right?
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gotta love new people :D
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no bodhi.
that would be annoying
plenty of non squaddies have, but i've never had a squadmate steal a kill from me.
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You sure type like an American. What are you doing in Helengrad?
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I wouldn't have a problem with Voss if all he did was lie. However, that is not all he has done. In this situation there are victims involved. More than one. Voss stole from them by using deception. That is not an accusation, that is not an exaggeration that is a proven fact.
He used his lies to talk people out of parting with large sums of money. Were talking thousands of dollars here, not just 25$ spent on some membership to some website. There are victims that were directly scammed by Mr Hinds.
luckily for Mr Hinds he pull this monkey **** at a time when the internet was still pretty much the wild west. He pretty much got away with his crime. However, the community is aware of his actions, they have not forgotten and will not forget.
Since Mr Hinds is still out there and very obviously still up to his old tricks, I feel it is the responsibility of members of this community in the know to share their knowledge about his ******tery. This way a new member is not burned by his scam.
As for you Excel1, you came in and proclaimed your association with Mr Hinds. You have defended his actions, you have hinted that he is an OK guy, you have backed this up though your vigorous defense of both Mr Hinds and your association with Mr Hinds.
Those actions on your part do not sit well with me. You basically told everyone here that what he did was alright by you, since it did not happen TO you. That in it's self is down right shameful.
If I knew I had came in contact with Mr Hinds, if I knew I was a squad mate of his, I would have left that squad, quick, fast and in a hurry. I also would not be quick to come into the BBS and proclaim my association with Mr Hinds with out any coaching at all, as you did.
If your OK with a criminal running around in our community then you are no better than Mr Hinds himself. You are basically allowing Mr Hinds to perpetuate the cycle of his scam on a new generation of simmers by allowing his presence here.
Like a kid toucher, Mr Hinds can not stop himself. That is evident by the lies he started telling here on this board. He thought nobody would remember him, he was wrong. This is a small, tight knit community. We have no room for thieves in our ranks. He is a thief. This is not an accusation, that is a proven fact.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
You sure type like an American. What are you doing in Helengrad?
planning the revolution
actually that's an interesting comment that you make. i haven’t noticed a big difference between the way most american posters type and non american english speaking posters. i'm kiwi born, but if there is something in it i think you could either picking up on that i'm three quarters irish with a lot of irish american relatives, or maybe that i have been influencd by the americanism of this board and others that i visit, which i think is probably not that uncommon in the internet age. or it could be a bit of both.
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bbbb
we are poles apart and i'm past caring
i didn't post in this thread to piss anyone off. you have either ignored or twisted everything i have said to reinforce and suit your own beleifs, so if slagging me off makes you feel better and gives you a reason to vent your hate for voss then go for it.
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I don't recall twisting anything you have written here. This thread was about Voss, you came in to proclaim your association with him, you came in and defended your actions and made his action seem as if they were minor, that they were no big deal and that we here are all just over reacting. That is pretty much the just of it.
So how am I twisting anything? It goes back to that old saying; "A hit dog hollers".
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Originally posted by Excel1
in other words i'm not going to judge the character of voss or anyone else that plays the game based on what i read here in fantasyland that is posted by others.
Nothing fantasized about what "Voss" did.
i'll give you demonize, that's over the top. obsessive, i think i'm spot on there. a serial killer in the ranks would probably get less attention here than voss has.
Wrong on all three counts..
btw, it's funny how the venom directed at voss in my experience at least was nearly all directed at him in the hen's club and not in the game.
Players either didn't know about it, or didn't care enough to stop having fun playing the game to pay attention to the ******.. When I did run into him, he was no fun fighting at all, so even that was something to avoid.
from my observation a lot of players new voss was gpreedy and interacted with him regardless. not saying it didn't happen but when i was online and doing squad stuff i never saw gpreedy er the despicable voss get a hard time from other players.
You simply missed it... and when it became known enough, he just changed names.
obviously voss must have had a lot of criminal cohorts back then, or maybe, and more likely they just chose to skip the bs and play the game rather than grind an axe for other sanctimonious ****ers
Which is better than grinding an axe like the scumbag crook apologist you are, right? <-- See what I did there?
Some guy cons this many people for this much cash, and you call those who call him for what he is and has done sanctimonious ****ers?
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Originally posted by moot
Nothing fantasized about what "Voss" did.
Wrong on all three counts..
Players either didn't know about it, or didn't care enough to stop having fun playing the game to pay attention to the ******.. When I did run into him, he was no fun fighting at all, so even that was something to avoid.
You simply missed it... and when it became known enough, he just changed names.
Which is better than grinding an axe like the scumbag crook apologist you are, right? <-- See what I did there?
Some guy cons this many people for this much cash, and you call those who call him for what he is and has done sanctimonious ****ers?
ZING! I'd quit digging yourself into this hole excel1, your in a lose/lose fight.
10/10 thread for a good internet shaming. :aok
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Originally posted by bongaroo
ZING! I'd quit digging yourself into this hole excel1, your in a lose/lose fight.
10/10 thread for a good internet shaming. :aok
Lol i love these Threads, Come up every few years, Screaming about lynchings and such,
But I don't remember Voss ever being arrested or convicted. Kinda funny.
By the end of the day Voss Will still be voss. The people that were gullible enough to send him money did not find it important enough to sue him or did not have enough to have him arrested.
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Back when Voss pulled his scam, the internet was still not main stream enough. Cops and prosecutors were still not really aware of the legality or illegality of Mr Hinds actions.
If Mr Hinds pulled the same stuff today you can bet he would have an investigator at his door. There is no question he committed a crime/crimes here. The whole thing can be read about on a number of forums.
The tricking people into buying a website membership for his upcoming "sim" is not what bothers me. It is the investors that were stolen from. It is the people he pretended to be friends with that he used.
Trell, it seems you don't know the full story. The victims involved did try to have this situation resolved legally. This thread was to answer the question about Mr Hinds. The head of his fan club came in here to defend his actions, though during all that I have yet to see anyone, "Screaming about lynchings and such". Can you show me where someone was "Screaming about lynchings and such"? I can't find it.
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I don t know about you but There are very very few friends that i would give that kind of money to I can count them on my hands. If i knew them only from the internet i would be all the more wary.
If it is an investment into a company I would want to see a business plan and would have a P.I look them over for that kind of money.
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So what your saying is, that it is their own fault for being lied to and stolen from. Hmm..interesting out look on things that you have there.
So, if an 80 year old grandmother puts the chain lock on her door at night and forgets to bolt it, and on that same night a guy kicks in here door and kills her..it is her own fault for not making sure the deadbolt was active. Or you could say if a 20 year old girl is in a bar wearing a racy outfit, it is her own fault she was gang rapped later that night..I mean come on what was she thinking wearing clothes like that? She was practically begging for it.
Basically what you are saying is, if someone is the victim of a crime it is their own fault for not fully protecting themselves 100% of the time. It is their fault for trusting someone. So you must live in a vault, don't answer the phone and wear a tin-foil hat. That is the only way you can be 100% safe.
People make mistakes in life sure, but that doesn't make the crime any less a crime and it doesn't make a victim any less a victim. Justifying Mr Hinds actions by saying his victims should have investigated him better is basically saying that girl shouldn't have wore that dress to that bar. Your down playing the crime and the criminal.
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Originally posted by BBBB
I don't recall twisting anything you have written here. This thread was about Voss, you came in to proclaim your association with him, you came in and defended your actions and made his action seem as if they were minor, that they were no big deal and that we here are all just over reacting. That is pretty much the just of it.
it's a thread about voss that's why i made a post about voss. you have a problem with that do you? or is it the content of the first two posts i made that you resent? if i instead of posting my opinion on voss threads in general, and my own view of voss (which i've explained the reason for more than once) and my in-game knowledge of him, if i had of jumped on the bandwagon and jumped all over voss' head would that have been ok with you? yeah, well screw you :aok
Originally posted by BBBB So how am I twisting anything? It goes back to that old saying; "A hit dog hollers". [/B]
i also accused you of assumptive reasoning. open your other eye and scroll back and look for yourself
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Originally posted by Excel1
yeah, well screw you
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full. :aok
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Which is better than grinding an axe like the scumbag crook apologist you are, right? <-- See what I did there?
nah, i like my insult better ;)
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Originally posted by BBBB
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full. :aok
hey that's quaint, do you do that before or after you kick you dog?
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Wow, your intellect is really showing now. Tossing out insults, calling names..man you are a plethora of intelligence. It must suck to be seething in the corner, mad at everyone because they didn't see things your way, huh?
Lets get this back on topic. I am not going to waste any more of my time replying to your nonsensical post that at this point have been reduced to you name calling, and tossing out weak insults.
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Warning Will Robinson!
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Originally posted by Yknurd
Warning Will Robinson!
This thread has reached Tard Capacity!
Oh crap..does that mean I won't be able to post in it any more?....hey, wait..I got IN !
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Originally posted by Yknurd
Warning Will Robinson!
This thread has reached Tard Capacity!
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Originally posted by BBBB
So what your saying is, that it is their own fault for being lied to and stolen from. Hmm..interesting out look on things that you have there.
So, if an 80 year old grandmother puts the chain lock on her door at night and forgets to bolt it, and on that same night a guy kicks in here door and kills her..it is her own fault for not making sure the deadbolt was active. Or you could say if a 20 year old girl is in a bar wearing a racy outfit, it is her own fault she was gang rapped later that night..I mean come on what was she thinking wearing clothes like that? She was practically begging for it.
Basically what you are saying is, if someone is the victim of a crime it is their own fault for not fully protecting themselves 100% of the time. It is their fault for trusting someone. So you must live in a vault, don't answer the phone and wear a tin-foil hat. That is the only way you can be 100% safe.
People make mistakes in life sure, but that doesn't make the crime any less a crime and it doesn't make a victim any less a victim. Justifying Mr Hinds actions by saying his victims should have investigated him better is basically saying that girl shouldn't have wore that dress to that bar. Your down playing the crime and the criminal.
I consider it closer to the Nigerian scams:)
But that is just me, I guess you consider him closer to a rapist or murder... Explains alot.
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:O LMFAO
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Oh for gods sake I wish Voss (or whatever his name was) would have never come around. The first 999 times I saw a thread about him it was funny. HOWEVER now its just downright squealing stupid. We all know the d***head screwed someone out of money. I would be pissed and I certainly don't condone the actions that he took to do that; but its time to let this dip**** Voss disappear. If he would have done that to me I would have gone to him and beat the crap out of him and then filed charges against the dweeb for what he did.
SO lets all let the thread die.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
I've researched it, and people like Voss and my former friend suffer from Narcissistic personality disorder.
Diagnostic criteria
-has a grandiose sense of self-importance
-is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
-believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by other special people
-requires excessive admiration
-strong sense of entitlement
-takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
lacks empathy
-is often envious or believes others are envious of him or her
arrogant behavior
Most pathological liars have this personality disorder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
Most of those diagnostic criteria puts me in mind of a certain person PNG from this place.
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Originally posted by BBBB
Wow, your intellect is really showing now. Tossing out insults, calling names..man you are a plethora of intelligence. It must suck to be seething in the corner, mad at everyone because they didn't see things your way, huh?
Lets get this back on topic. I am not going to waste any more of my time replying to your nonsensical post that at this point have been reduced to you name calling, and tossing out weak insults.
remember this:
Excel1, if you choose to be associated with a common criminal and that is OK with you, then that is fine by me. I will be sure to stay as far from you as I can.
You are OK with the crimes Mr Hinds committed. You said so yourself, that in it's self speaks volumes to me about the type of character you, yourself are. The phrase "thick as thieves" comes to mind here.
others might feel differently if it that was directed at them but i have been around the o'club too long to be insulted by being called a thief. what it did indicate to me though was that your loathing of voss and narrow mindedness meant that the chances of a rationale if not lively discussion were almost zilch, and as such i did try to bail from the thread in my reply.
and an insult is still an insult mate, so your lame dodge of my questions two of my posts back is redundant.
i don't know how long you have been in ah, but you know by now at least that it was no secret the villainous voss was playing the game after he was so called outed on the board, so i am curious to know as to what kind of response you got from htc if you were consistent in your crusade to keep a lid on any voss lov'n by approaching them over it as to why he was allowed to play the game.
and if you haven’t approached htc it's still not too late to get in there and give that big ole dog a kick.
let us know how loud it hollers :aok
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Originally posted by MiloMorai
Most of those diagnostic criteria puts me in mind of a certain person PNG from this place.
Who?
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See PM.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
Warning Will Robinson!
This thread has reached Tard Capacity!
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