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Help and Support Forums => Aces High Bug Reports => Topic started by: lyric1 on January 07, 2008, 07:12:16 AM
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On the OZKANSAS map at v118 over the weekend two m4's decided to set up to camp vh from inside the wire fence on your left hand side as you drive out of the hangar. I was under the impression you could not shoot through a chain link fence? How ever another individual drove out first & was taken out by the m4's so I backed out drove behind the industructable & the moment I cleared the last building I was taken out as well with a shot that came through the fence. I watched another tank drive out with gun turned to his left & he fired & the round exploded on the fence. So I then tried doing the same thing I also had the same issue of the round exploding on the fence, I could not shoot through into the fenced area the two m4's could clearly shoot out. I jumped into the manned ack same problem rounds exploded on the fence & then manned ack was taken out with a shot through the fence. In the end I smoked them out & drove through the open gate to kill them. So is this a bug or has it always been this way?
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It can be done in all Vbases.
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that was myselve and Reapr lyric. this can be done to all fences. what happens is you park right up against the fence and what happens is your turret is sticking past the fence, but the reset of your tank is behind the fence. this can be done with tigers panzers and shermans. NOT T34s. and we found a way to protect that door as well so watch it next time :D
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What a tool.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
What a tool.
yeah even brags about it.
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Spawncamping noobs. ;)
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You can also have your turret go through hanger walls and shoot someone.
You can not see through the wall, but if you know were he is your in good shape. I noticed an enemy tank sitting along side the spawn hanger at one of our V bases. I upped and drove over to the side of the hanger he was at and put my turret through the wall and Boom he is now gone. Can not remember who it was but that was funny.
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Can also poke turret through hedgerows again you wont see him but still be able to shoot at him.
The enemy vehicle cannot return fire as the shell will explode unless he too has his turret poked through.
Only found this out yesterday and wasn't impressed.
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See whats going to happen is more and more people will complain about stuff like this....mostly because they didn't get to exploit it themselves. HT will get tired of it a do something about it.
The two ends of the spectrum I can see is on one end all objects will no longer be "solid" so hiding "behind" anything will no longer be an option, neither will there be any "damage vs object" any more.
The other end is, seeing as this is a "flight" game HTC just say "aww heck, it just ain't worth the time to fix it" and just gets rid of GVs all together (much like H2H)
Cheaters never win.....in the end :noid
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Originally posted by kilz
that was myselve and Reapr lyric. this can be done to all fences. what happens is you park right up against the fence and what happens is your turret is sticking past the fence, but the reset of your tank is behind the fence. this can be done with tigers panzers and shermans. NOT T34s. and we found a way to protect that door as well so watch it next time :D
Yes I knew who it was, just was not going to mention names. I knew that there was either two noob's or two people who knew something I didn't, I always jump into God mode first before I spawn anything so I knew you were both there. So it is a glitch that is through out the game. I don't take issue with exploiting such quirks next time it happens I will just bomb you.:aok
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
See whats going to happen is more and more people will complain about stuff like this....mostly because they didn't get to exploit it themselves. HT will get tired of it a do something about it.
The two ends of the spectrum I can see is on one end all objects will no longer be "solid" so hiding "behind" anything will no longer be an option, neither will there be any "damage vs object" any more.
The other end is, seeing as this is a "flight" game HTC just say "aww heck, it just ain't worth the time to fix it" and just gets rid of GVs all together (much like H2H)
Cheaters never win.....in the end :noid
explain to me how this is called Cheating. if it was cheating would i have not been booted by now for it?
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It's not cheating but it's exploiting a flaw in the game. Unless HTC designed it like that, which I doubt.
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Originally posted by nirvana
It's not cheating but it's exploiting a flaw in the game. Unless HTC designed it like that, which I doubt.
exactly ! This is how it starts, "I'm not cheating, I'm using a loop hole in the game". Next thing you know someone figures out a new loop hole to counter that loop hole.....mostly because he's ticked off because the other guy keeps killing him using a loop hole.
and on and on it goes.
Theres nothing wrong with flying in groups, heck join a squad, but then there were those that couldn't be bother with learning to defend them selves so they started tagging along "for protection". Next thing you know we have hordes of people swarming bases and going out of there way to avoid the other teams horde....because most of them couldn't be bothered to learn how to defend themselves.... and we get a cancerous community and the arenas MUST be split.
and on and on it goes
so no its not "technically" cheating, but its not good for the community either. How many guys will cancel their subscription because "of all the spawn campers hiding behind the fences so they can't be killed" If there are enough of them, you'll see the hammer drop!
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I bet you could do it with the T34 when parked parallel to the object. Never tried it.
Tank rounds "originate" at the tip on the gun, not in the breech. If you poke the origin outside the object, the round doesn't have anything in the way.
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On the other hand, who ever heard of a chain link fence that can stop a cannon round?
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Originally posted by kilz
explain to me how this is called Cheating. if it was cheating would i have not been booted by now for it?
Vulching a second account to pad your rank isn't cheating by some standards, and look where that got you.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Vulching a second account to pad your rank isn't cheating by some standards, and look where that got you.
ahhh but that is cheating and you will get booted for that. playing on a second account to just play is not cheating.
this is nothing less of people complaining of gvs driving inside other gvs they whine when it happens and complain of cheating when in fact its not. i have been told that by skuzzy. if i remember right (been some time ago when i asked) if they are stupid enough to let you drive into their tiger they deserve it.
now if Skuzzy where to come on and say yes its a loop hole of some sort then i dont mind not doing it. but the way i see it is a chain fence would not stop a tank in anyway so what is being done is not using a loop hole to my advantage.
this also works both ways the said nme gvers can flank and park against the other side of the fence and shoot inside the fence. so its fair on both sides.
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Originally posted by kilz
ahhh but that is cheating and you will get booted for that. playing on a second account to just play is not cheating.
this is nothing less of people complaining of gvs driving inside other gvs they whine when it happens and complain of cheating when in fact its not. i have been told that by skuzzy. if i remember right (been some time ago when i asked) if they are stupid enough to let you drive into their tiger they deserve it.
now if Skuzzy where to come on and say yes its a loop hole of some sort then i dont mind not doing it. but the way i see it is a chain fence would not stop a tank in anyway so what is being done is not using a loop hole to my advantage.
this also works both ways the said nme gvers can flank and park against the other side of the fence and shoot inside the fence. so its fair on both sides.
Well see, thats whats wrong with the game. Game play has been going down hill for a long time, and its attitude like this that do it. Just because you CAN do a thing, doesn't mean you SHOULD do a thing.
I play this game for the fun of the fight. If where I'm flying starts turning into a vulch fest, I'll go look for another fight, or help with the bombing. I don't run GVs much because there isn't many challanges. The biggest one seems to be to find a good "vulching" spot, either at a spawn point, or now, safely behind a fence. Either way once you do one of those things, its pretty much a piece of cake, shoot at the vehicles that really can't defend themselves. WOW! sounds like fun.
I guess if we could teach the deer to come to the edge of the woods and stand still, all the deer hunters would be pleased.
In the "old days" this game was much more about the fight. Learn to use your plane to shoot down the other plane. I'm sure there was vulching, but I don't remember it being as rampant as it is now. Game play has turned into winning at ALL COSTS. That "ALL COST" is whats killing the fun. Using "loop holes" because its easier than learning how to fight.
Ahhh welll, but such is life these days. Nobody wants to work to get ahead, they would much rather stab someone in the back and take their spot.
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The only difference between cheating and being a twit is a declaration from HTC. They changed their stance on scorepadding through multiple accounts, hopefully they'll take an interest in exploits and their negative effect on gameplay.
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Now I understand how people shoot me through the trees when they're really close. But it doesn't explain how people 2k away shoot me through trees. It's gotten bad enough that it's taking the fun out of that aspect of the game.
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Originally posted by shiningpathb4me
Now I understand how people shoot me through the trees when they're really close. But it doesn't explain how people 2k away shoot me through trees. It's gotten bad enough that it's taking the fun out of that aspect of the game.
thats cause they turn their graphics down. that i dont do and cant stand. i no longer park in the fence since so many want to cry about it.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Well see, thats whats wrong with the game. Game play has been going down hill for a long time, and its attitude like this that do it. Just because you CAN do a thing, doesn't mean you SHOULD do a thing.
I play this game for the fun of the fight. If where I'm flying starts turning into a vulch fest, I'll go look for another fight, or help with the bombing. I don't run GVs much because there isn't many challanges. The biggest one seems to be to find a good "vulching" spot, either at a spawn point, or now, safely behind a fence. Either way once you do one of those things, its pretty much a piece of cake, shoot at the vehicles that really can't defend themselves. WOW! sounds like fun.
I guess if we could teach the deer to come to the edge of the woods and stand still, all the deer hunters would be pleased.
In the "old days" this game was much more about the fight. Learn to use your plane to shoot down the other plane. I'm sure there was vulching, but I don't remember it being as rampant as it is now. Game play has turned into winning at ALL COSTS. That "ALL COST" is whats killing the fun. Using "loop holes" because its easier than learning how to fight.
Ahhh welll, but such is life these days. Nobody wants to work to get ahead, they would much rather stab someone in the back and take their spot.
These are reasons why I don't fly much anymore and rarely GV is because of twits that want to exploit a bug in a 'game'. Kids and Grown-Adults (yes they do it too) will do this because it makes them feel like big men! THen when they are done they will go tell 'little-Johnny' to play fair. Then they wonder why their kid grows up and starts popping steroids. Good leadership daddy!
If you can't fight a fair fight and have to shoot through a fence that you know the enemy can't shoot through your pathetic in many ways. Nothing personal to you Kilz but it is a boring tactic so I would just come carpet bomb you in my lancs. Then you can call me a dweeb for doing that. The hordes and such are a common thing in this game, but isn't that how you win a 'war' is by mass-numbers? I am fine fighting a horde, just more targets to shoot at. But the little bugs people think makes them a bigger man just shows how small they are and tells me they got stuffed in their locker in high school.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by kilz
that was myselve and Reapr lyric. this can be done to all fences. what happens is you park right up against the fence and what happens is your turret is sticking past the fence, but the reset of your tank is behind the fence. this can be done with tigers panzers and shermans. NOT T34s. and we found a way to protect that door as well so watch it next time :D
that is just so flipping ghey...
get a life man.
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Originally posted by kilz
that was myselve and Reapr lyric. this can be done to all fences. what happens is you park right up against the fence and what happens is your turret is sticking past the fence, but the reset of your tank is behind the fence. this can be done with tigers panzers and shermans. NOT T34s. and we found a way to protect that door as well so watch it next time :D
And HT is gonna help you with your 'tank-sight' bug that you may explore more things like THIS?:rolleyes:
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i already have my squad stop doing this so try letting it die now. instead of adding fuel to the fire.
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Originally posted by kilz
i already have my squad stop doing this so try letting it die now. instead of adding fuel to the fire.
I agree...
Kilz is a good guy and from what I have seen plays an honest game.
I believe what he says.
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My long standing policy on "loopholes" or game exploits has been to stop at nothing to put the "gamer" back in the tower as many times as I can. The instant I hear someone say "so-and-so's here in his spit/tiger/etc" I immediately go into destroy-so-and-so mode. Interestingly, it's not just me who does this. Rarely does a warpy plane ever get out alive. Nobody wants someone like that to benefit from his dweebary in any way.
The moral is: If you like to exploit the game you are only making yourself the target of every enemy plane or vehicle within the sector. I've upped 1000 pounders to bomb people hiding underground at shore batteries and inside buildings where they can't be seen. All died, every time. The guy who warps until he gets on your six winds up with in the middle of a fix he can't get out of, almost every time. If their aren't enough people there to do it, the ones he kills spend the next few sorties hunting and punishing him. There is nothing more satisfying than whacking someone who tried to use something other than cunning or skill to beat you.
I send video's of the warpers to HTC when I can. Anyone who disappears or warps away every time someone gets a solution on him, but never when he's on their six, are exploiters and deserve nothing but contempt and our wrath.
Ditto with GV's who exploit terrain structures to gain an unfair advantage.
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Originally posted by shiningpathb4me
My long standing policy on "loopholes" or game exploits has been to stop at nothing to put the "gamer" back in the tower as many times as I can. The instant I hear someone say "so-and-so's here in his spit/tiger/etc" I immediately go into destroy-so-and-so mode. Interestingly, it's not just me who does this. Rarely does a warpy plane ever get out alive. Nobody wants someone like that to benefit from his dweebary in any way.
The moral is: If you like to exploit the game you are only making yourself the target of every enemy plane or vehicle within the sector. I've upped 1000 pounders to bomb people hiding underground at shore batteries and inside buildings where they can't be seen. All died, every time. The guy who warps until he gets on your six winds up with in the middle of a fix he can't get out of, almost every time. If their aren't enough people there to do it, the ones he kills spend the next few sorties hunting and punishing him. There is nothing more satisfying than whacking someone who tried to use something other than cunning or skill to beat you.
I send video's of the warpers to HTC when I can. Anyone who disappears or warps away every time someone gets a solution on him, but never when he's on their six, are exploiters and deserve nothing but contempt and our wrath.
Ditto with GV's who exploit terrain structures to gain an unfair advantage.
up more then a 1000 times please for i like the fight. no i dont vulch, nor do i spawn camp that much. i am the kind of persons that will sit at my spawn point into an nme base looking for places of advantage and use it against my nme.
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Originally posted by kilz
up more then a 1000 times please for i like the fight. no i dont vulch, nor do i spawn camp that much. i am the kind of persons that will sit at my spawn point into an nme base looking for places of advantage and use it against my nme.
LOL...you don't spawn camp... you do something worse. I can break a spawn camp in 10 minutes, because they can all take rounds still. All I need is one shot... and poof each one goes buh bye. in 5 or 10 sorties I have broken even the dreaded LTAR spawncamp... with much fun on both sides.
No, what you do is worse. You find a programming flaw and then sit outside the VH... (how this isn't spawn camping to you...:rolleyes: )
in a spot where the enemy can't put rounds on you, (and therefore have no chance of having fun) but you can sytematically kill them. Spin it however you want, I call you a cheat...just the same as the guys who turn down their graphics to see through objects. You are using a known quirk to screw up everyone's fun.
This little flaw will go away in time... Just like the last one where you could back up into windmills and have the same thing happen. What really pissed me off, is to see you on here gloating about it... I thought you were a better caliber player.. I was obviously wrong. Stating two posts after your gloat that you have stopped your squad from doing it now will not change it. your old reputation... it's gone now.
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Originally posted by shiningpathb4me
Ditto with GV's who exploit terrain structures to gain an unfair advantage.
Using terrain structures is ground combat. You shouldn't expect someone to just sit out in the open and let you land rounds.
I came here to add my name to the list of folks pissed about the flaw with the Vbase fence. I lost alot of kills last night to someone who was parked inside there. I was staying off a Vbase, driving around and having good fights with people ( Shegotya, nice fights) when I displaced from one spot to head to another, after a particular heavy round of fighting.
Some shemp is holed up in the fence...you know the rest. Took him 5 rounds, in which time i landed 3 rounds to the fence he was behind...I was really pissed. Then, when called on it, he says.."well I've had it happen to me."
Please fix this problem HT. And the issue of people dropping their graphics to see through terrain and smoke. Otherwise, just drop GV's period. I really liked their addition, as a subscriber.... but I hate being gamed constantly.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
No, what you do is worse. You find a programming flaw and then sit outside the VH
i still have not seen skuzzy call this a programing flaw.
... (how this isn't spawn camping to you...:rolleyes: )
did i say i didnt spawn camp NO
in a spot where the enemy can't put rounds on you, (and therefore have no chance of having fun) but you can sytematically kill them.
isnt that the point of the game. is to find a spot where your enemy cant put rounds on you.
Spin it however you want, I call you a cheat...just the same as the guys who turn down their graphics to see through objects. You are using a known quirk to screw up everyone's fun.
i will say it again if its a cheat then let skuzzy put his pwn on me. i am not trying to spin anything. i saw this being done once and had to see if it worked. it did thought it was rather funny at first. then thought about it and was lame so i stopped.
as rules state if you are wanting to accuse someone of cheating DONT POST IT ON THE HTC BBS send it in to skuzzy.
I thought you were a better caliber player.. I was obviously wrong. Stating two posts after your gloat that you have stopped your squad from doing it now will not change it. your old reputation... it's gone now.
first i dont really play this game to build my reputation. i play this game to have fun, and have been doing it for a long time, and all that time i have been donig it little loud mouths like you have came and gone.
i really dont care how good you think i am or how good you think i sux.
personaly i think i sux i am still a noob. i still learn everyday how to fly bomb gv cause i sux.
now if you had any common sense you would let this thread DIE before skuzzy locks it.
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I want skuzzy to lock it...then at least i know that my opinion as a multi year paying member is being taken seriously.
I want to see something done about stuff like this.
And, I'm not a little loudmouth kid. I've been with this community since Air Warrior.
I'm tired of seeing people like you ruin a good thing.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Using terrain structures is ground combat. You shouldn't expect someone to just sit out in the open and let you land rounds.
I came here to add my name to the list of folks pissed about the flaw with the Vbase fence. I lost alot of kills last night to someone who was parked inside there. I was staying off a Vbase, driving around and having good fights with people ( Shegotya, nice fights)
Awe ... thanks :) Was fun!!
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Moray, keep in mind that you're trying to have a gameplay ethics discussion with some tool who's already been banned at least once, for some other assinine stunt which he considered perfectly reasonable.
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Originally posted by Scca
I agree...
Kilz is a good guy and from what I have seen plays an honest game.
I believe what he says.
:lol
He lit this fire, I say let the gamer burn. Flame on gentlemen.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Spin it however you want, I call you a cheat...just the same as the guys who turn down their graphics to see through objects. You are using a known quirk to screw up everyone's fun.
i dis agree, what killz does is just like spwn camping from bhind the hangar, and when people turn down thier graphics its just to get a slightly better view of wer GV's are. its not really cheating, is it???
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Originally posted by uberslet
i dis agree, what killz does is just like spwn camping from bhind the hangar, and when people turn down thier graphics its just to get a slightly better view of wer GV's are. its not really cheating, is it???
Cheating..... no. Lame and gamey... yup.
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That's a really good comparison- sitting behind a hangar in the open, and parking inside an object that allows you to shoot through it without being fired upon in return.
Wait, that's a stupid comparison.
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Easy fix for htc to implement. Projectile originates from the breach instead of the muzzle.
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Originally posted by uberslet
i dis agree, what killz does is just like spwn camping from bhind the hangar, and when people turn down thier graphics its just to get a slightly better view of wer GV's are. its not really cheating, is it???
Hmmm...somebody has 2nd account:noid
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Originally posted by bj229r
Hmmm...somebody has 2nd account:noid
trying to accuse me of a second account is just stupid. i let anyone check my stats check my records check my IPs. i dont have second accounts. want to say something to that standard bj229r that needs to be brought to HTC staff members not the BBS.
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What a tool.
Yeah what an exploit!
:salute