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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: JB21 on January 07, 2008, 08:59:25 PM
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TURN OFF COLLISIONS. Everyone is tired of hearing everyone complain about the collisions. If it favors one and harms the other, then it is not fair and shouldn't be a factor in the game. If it is just a game and not real, then it shouldn't matter if we fly threw one another, just TURN IT OFF! It was off when I started playing this game, just turn it back off please!
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it needs to be on because if it wasnt 163 and 262 would dive on you an fire from almost 2 feet away
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heres a solution, Do not ram the other frikkin plane!
Your FE sees the collision and assigns damage to your plane, same for the other fella. So if you hit him but his FE doesn't see a collision, you get damage. Vise Versa.
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This has been discussed too many times to count. JB, please make a search before you start a new thread.
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Originally posted by Wes14
heres a solution, Do not ram the other frikkin plane!
SYSTEM: You shot down JB21 #1
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Originally posted by JB21
TURN OFF COLLISIONS. no Everyone is tired of hearing everyone complain about the collisions.
I'm not. If it favors one and harms the other,No it doesn't. then it is not fair and shouldn't be a factor in the game. Its perfectly fair. If it is just a game and not real, then it shouldn't matter if we fly threw one anotheryes it's just a game. However without the collision model, tardlets would fly through ac with guns blazing. That would be too gamey. , just TURN IT OFF! NO!!! It was off when I started playing this game, just turn it back off please!
Don't fly into other ac and you have little to worry about.
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What Bronk said...
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Bronk did so well with most of it, but he left out this one:
Originally posted by JB21
It was off when I started playing this game, just turn it back off please!
AFAIK, it has never been off in the MAs. Therefore, I would surmise you simply picked up some very bad habits while flying in the 8-player-no-realism-whatsoever arenas. Learn to shoot from farther away from your target instead of trying to fly through them, and you will not collide.
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The only change I would make would be to record the collision ONLY if both Front Ends see it.
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Originally posted by Saxman
The only change I would make would be to record the collision ONLY if both Front Ends see it.
That is essentially turning them off. There would be little practical difference and you would still be perfectly safe to fly though that B-17, guns blazing, with no chance of colliding. On the other hand, you couldn't miss from 5 feet away.
Collisions have always been on and they should always be on.
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Lately with most of my accidental collisions I actually get both messages, I hit him and he hit me. 99.9% of the time I sort of see it coming also.
I for 1 have 0 complaints about the collision model.
Originally posted by Saxman
The only change I would make would be to record the collision ONLY if both Front Ends see it.
Originally posted by Karnak
That is essentially turning them off. There would be little practical difference and you would still be perfectly safe to fly though that B-17, guns blazing, with no chance of colliding. On the other hand, you couldn't miss from 5 feet away.
Collisions have always been on and they should always be on.
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Originally posted by Saxman
The only change I would make would be to record the collision ONLY if both Front Ends see it.
Don't make me post the pics.:furious
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Originally posted by Bronk
Don't make me post the pics.:furious
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/Tanglesview.jpg)
Same basic angle external, tangle's view from my front end moment of impact.
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/myview.jpg)
How would you feel taking damage looking at your film and seeing tangles front end view, hmmmmmm?
I know I'd be pretty POed.
-Originally compiled and posted by Bronk- [/B][/QUOTE]
:D
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i hate getting rammed up the butt, but i usually still live and get the kill! :aok :aok :aok
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Originally posted by zoozoo
i hate getting rammed up the butt, but i usually still live and get the kill! :aok :aok :aok
Oh, dear.
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HTC Please disregard this thread. Collision model is working just fine.
Oink
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Originally posted by JB21
TURN OFF COLLISIONS. Everyone is tired of hearing everyone complain about the collisions. If it favors one and harms the other, then it is not fair and shouldn't be a factor in the game. If it is just a game and not real, then it shouldn't matter if we fly threw one another, just TURN IT OFF! It was off when I started playing this game, just turn it back off please!
TURN OFF COLLISIONS.
Why ?
Everyone is tired of hearing everyone complain about the collisions.
No ... everyone is tired of trying to explain to the narrow minded how the collision model works ... and despite the best efforts, supplied with actual film screenshots ... they still don't get it.
If it favors one and harms the other, then it is not fair and shouldn't be a factor in the game.
It only favors those who truely DO NOT collide and harms those that DO COLLIDE. Sounds fair to me.
If it is just a game and not real, then it shouldn't matter if we fly threw one another
It would matter greatly ... I can see people diving on or into their opponent with guns blazing and not giving a crap that they will need to pull off the attack else they will collide. All you would see is planes all over the place flying through each other with guns going full bore.
Thanks ... but no thanks. I would quit this game in a second if they turned off collisions and killshooter ... and I am sure that many would follow suit.
It was off when I started playing this game, just turn it back off please!
Bollocks ... It has ALWAYS been on in the MA arenas.
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Do not change the collision model, it is the perfect compromise for internet lag the way it is.
The problem is your poor understanding of how it works. Stop ramming into people and it won't be a problem.
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Originally posted by Wes14
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/Tanglesview.jpg)
wow,
you musta been laaaaaaagyyyyyyyy!!
Yes, turn off the collision model, then I'll do alot better in BnZ xD
Keep it the way it is, even as an old h2h'r, this is way better.
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Originally posted by zoozoo
i hate getting rammed up the butt, but i usually still live and get the kill! :aok :aok :aok
TMI :eek:
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The way I see it is that they happen because one or maybe both pilots have taken too long to either move or take a shot.
My main gripe is when you blow off their elevators and the wreckage flips up into my plane. It doesn't happen often but when it does its my fault for not blasting them from further out.
I'd rather have the random effect than an explosion for both parties. 50% of the time you maybe ok or only partly damaged rather than dust.
Learn to fly
Learn to shoot
Learn to see the enemy
Thats all there is to it no more collisions
;)
Bruv
~S~
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I can't believe threads like this on the topic of ramming are still going on. I thought it was already discussed to death. (I wish I could find the Gif someone had a while back about beating a dead horse.)
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Originally posted by trigger2
wow,
you musta been laaaaaaagyyyyyyyy!!.
Not sure why you would say that.
I would say just the opposite.
It looks like they both have pretty solid connections to me.
That is not a "huge" diff. between the two Front Ends at all, and quite close.
Have ya' ever been on a CV and see a friendly 1-1.5k out taking off in thin air?
THAT'S lag.
There are people that play this game who if you did the above screen shot's with, they would be well over a 1k diff. on Front Ends.
Oh yeah, collisions don't favor either person.
You either hit 'em, or you don't.
Quit flying into 'em and you won't have any problems.
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It's interesting you make that point Lute. I once got killed by this guy in a spixteen I was watching. He was diving down some 1000 odd yards off my starboard wing, I saw him firing and I'm thinking, "what is this guy doing?:huh "
Suddenly I see him stop firing and pull up just as the sounds of cannon hits resound through my headset and my wing falls off. :rofl I bet he was thinking I was afk of something, because I didn't move at all, I was watching to see what he was going to do before I committed to any ACM.
:lol
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Originally posted by JB21
TURN OFF COLLISIONS. Everyone is tired of hearing everyone complain about the collisions. If it favors one and harms the other, then it is not fair and shouldn't be a factor in the game. If it is just a game and not real, then it shouldn't matter if we fly threw one another, just TURN IT OFF! It was off when I started playing this game, just turn it back off please!
this aparantly from a newblet with 2(count em 2) posts...
man people should really research or at least use the search tool before posting anything,,,,
makes you look stoooopid....
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Wes, you did not apply, nor receive membership to the "Bronk Fanclub". Therefore you are not authorized to post his pics.
This is mah corner beotch!
:D
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Originally posted by SD67
It's interesting you make that point Lute. I once got killed by this guy in a spixteen I was watching. He was diving down some 1000 odd yards off my starboard wing, I saw him firing and I'm thinking, "what is this guy doing?:huh "
Suddenly I see him stop firing and pull up just as the sounds of cannon hits resound through my headset and my wing falls off. :rofl I bet he was thinking I was afk of something, because I didn't move at all, I was watching to see what he was going to do before I committed to any ACM.
:lol
It's when the up from the CV that you can "SEE" the lag.
Granted, in flight planes are not QUITE Where you think they are of course. I always "assume" the con on my 6 is 200' closer than what I think they are. Certain players DO give me "fits" when I fight them because of their connection. It's not drastic, but if they are on a particularly horrific connect, it throws off all my timings (jukes, etc).
I was in the DA w/ someone the other week, and I couldn't QUITE get 'em figured out. What should have been a difficult fight, turned into quite a rough series of duels. I found out later they live 1/2 way around the world, and it made "sense" when I looked back @ the fights we had.
So while it's somewhat noticable in flight, but when they up a CV is when you can really "tell" how horrible the connect is.
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Originally posted by goober69
this aparantly from a newblet with 2(count em 2) posts...
man people should really research or at least use the search tool before posting anything,,,,
makes you look stoooopid....
If you weren't a nooblet yourself, you'd know the JB's are a squad with maybe 5 times the experience you have..
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Originally posted by moot
If you weren't a nooblet yourself, you'd know the JB's are a squad with maybe 5 times the experience you have..
The JB's are the WidowMakers fault
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Originally posted by Coshy
Wes, you did not apply, nor receive membership to the "Bronk Fanclub". Therefore you are not authorized to post his pics.
This is mah corner beotch!
:D
Which Corner? :confused:
:D
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I'm sure some of you have seen this on the general BBS. It does however show the historical realities of collisions....
(http://www.brooksart.com/Clashofeagles.jpg)
The 109 rammed the pony when his guns jammed. The 109 ditched and the pony driver bailed and was captured. So how about stopping the whinning:cry
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Originally posted by trigger2
wow,
you musta been laaaaaaagyyyyyyyy!!
Yes, turn off the collision model, then I'll do alot better in BnZ xD
You are a numpty. I did those tests. I had approx 90 ms ping time and my partner in crime had somewhere in the 80s. If you don't believe, get a partner and film it yourself.
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Originally posted by humble
The 109 rammed the pony when his guns jammed. The 109 ditched and the pony driver bailed and was captured. So how about stopping the whinning:cry
Would that 109 really have left its drop tank on?
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The painting is a recreation of a documented real life encounter. As for the DT I have no clue...did they have a deposit return for bring back the empties:)?
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Originally posted by moot
If you weren't a nooblet yourself, you'd know the JB's are a squad with maybe 5 times the experience you have..
oh and i should care ?
am i mistaken or doesn't some one make this exact same post every week?
am i mistaken that the answer is always the same?
sorry if i offend but dang youd think someone would realize this stuff by now.
collisions are a natural part of ah live with it.
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Originally posted by humble
I'm sure some of you have seen this on the general BBS. It does however show the historical realities of collisions....
The 109 rammed the pony when his guns jammed. The 109 ditched and the pony driver bailed and was captured. So how about stopping the whinning:cry
And both planes took damage... very poor example to post here. In AH, both planes don't always take damage.
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In AH, any plane that collides takes damage. Any plane that doesn't collide doesn't.
How much more realistic does it need to be?
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Originally posted by MadMan
And both planes took damage... very poor example to post here. In AH, both planes don't always take damage.
WRONG ... if BOTH planes in Aces High collide ... they BOTH receive damage.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
WRONG ... if BOTH planes in Aces High collide ... they BOTH receive damage.
Yup..
Is anyone else here getting a headache from this?
You can describe with words and show pictures of the collision model in action, and people STILL don't get it.
bangs head on desk.wav
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It is no surprise that HT no longer comments in these threads.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
It is no surprise that HT no longer comments in these threads.
I hear it makes Pyro curl up in fetal position . . .
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Originally posted by E25280
I hear it makes Pyro curl up in fetal position . . .
I thought that was Sudz? :confused:
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Originally posted by Wes14
I thought that was Sudz? :confused:
I didn't say I heard correctly.
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I agree, HT and his crew have got to be really worn out by now on threads like this.:)
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Read other threads before I post one you said! I have read a lot of the posts. Most of them very immature and false. I have never posted anything here until Sudz had suggested I do so.
I agree with flying through planes with guns blazing is wrong and why we need the collisions. When I started flying here in the MA I used to do the same thing, so collisions WHERE off in the MA when there was only one. Stop being so rude to folks trying to make a diff. Most of you dont even use your game ID gotta hide behind some other name so you can be rude! If you dont have anything constructive to say, please shhhh.
Collision model IS unfair, super unfair. Im chasing enemy plane chasing my squad mate and a C205 comes down and trys to shoot me down, misses, tries to pull out but collides into me and I go down everytime! NO thread I have read explains to me why this is fair.
I know how to fly. I know how to shoot. I know how to HO WITHOUT colliding. I dont know how to cheat! Maybe get a slower connection? Switch to DSL? Whatever will make the Coll Model work in my favor, oh wait, that would not be fair!
If HT doesnt care about these posts, then I am truely sorry you wasted your time writing back to my thread! Then again, you replied!
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Originally posted by JB21
Collision model IS unfair, super unfair. Im chasing enemy plane chasing my squad mate and a C205 comes down and trys to shoot me down, misses, tries to pull out but collides into me and I go down everytime! NO thread I have read explains to me why this is fair.
The number of threads & posting that explain this in detail (and also explaining why a slower/faster connection doesn't help you) are legion...
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Originally posted by JB21
Most of you dont even use your game ID gotta hide behind some other name so you can be rude![/Q]
Um my Forum name IS my in game name.....
I was not bashing anyone for posting this topic, just trying to say that it has been explained multiple times. It really is a mute point at this stage.
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The collision model is totally dependant on your front end. This is to say if YOUR computer detects a collision then damage is assigned to YOUR aircraft. If a collision is detected on BOTH computers then damage is assigned to BOTH aircraft.
If you are too busy looking out the front to see the guy flying up your six then that's not HT's problem and if you're not quick enough to evade before you hit the guy in front of you that's also not HT's problem. I think you are not taking into account the fact your aircraft extends further than your cockpit view.
Much research has been put into the HO/ram debate and the results are conclusive. I've been HO'd by guys 600yds off my top side due to network issues, and we were in the same physical country. I've also posted an account of getting my wing shot off from an aircraft 1k+ off my starboard side flown by a guy on the other side of the world.
The fact of the matter is if YOUR computer sees a kill then you get a kill, if YOUR computer sees a collision you get a collision. Would you rather it be different? How many kills do you think you would get if it was required than BOTH computers see the impact. It cuts both ways you know...;)
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Originally posted by JB21
I have absolutely no idea how the collision system works, but I'm going to whine, cry and call it unfair anyway.
Fixed for readability.
JB21, you have been flying since tour 71 (under jb21 at least), thats the beginning '02, if by now you dont understand it, and understand it is the way it has to be (due to the limitations of the speed of light and all), then you wont. So to make it easier on you ...
Yes, the collision model is programmed to send you (and only you) back to the tower anytime there is a collision regardless if its your fault or not.
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Originally posted by JB21
Collision model IS unfair, super unfair.
No, what you see is what you get. It's the same for everyone. Stop colliding.
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Originally posted by JB21
Read other threads before I post one you said! I have read a lot of the posts. Most of them very immature and false. I have never posted anything here until Sudz had suggested I do so.
Was sudz on the floor shaking when he said that?
I agree with flying through planes with guns blazing is wrong and why we need the collisions.Agreed. When I started flying here in the MA I used to do the same thing, so collisions WHERE off in the MA when there was only one.And when was this? Stop being so rude to folks trying to make a diff.
[COLOR=dark blue]I am one who tries to make a diff. Search collision model works, "bronk" by the poster. then look at the pretty pictures.[/COLOR] Most of you dont even use your game ID gotta hide behind some other name so you can be rude!
I've been Bronk since AW on AOHell, can you say something similar? If you dont have anything constructive to say, please shhhh.My pics are constructive, take the time to study them. Then you try a constructive post instead of ,WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Collision model IS unfair, super unfair.It's perfectly fair. Im chasing enemy plane chasing my squad mate and a C205 comes down and trys to shoot me down, misses, tries to pull out but collides into me and I go down everytime! NO thread I have read explains to me why this is fair. Because on his front end he didn't hit you. He did his job and avoided you. You on the other hand felt no action need be taken and flew into him.
I know how to fly. I know how to shoot. I know how to HO WITHOUT colliding. I dont know how to cheat! Maybe get a slower connection? Switch to DSL? Whatever will make the Coll Model work in my favor, oh wait, that would not be fair! Nothing to do with connection. The game is played on your front end, not HTCs servers. What YOU see is what YOU get. The sooner you figure that out the happier you'll be.
If HT doesnt care about these posts, then I am truely sorry you wasted your time writing back to my thread! Then again, you replied!
HT has explained it many times as have many others. When people refuse to search or are to stubborn and refuse to learn. You kind of shrug your shoulder and say "It works the way I want it to work." and leave it at that.
Any of these should explain how it works. Well some place in them.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=345583&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending
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I agree with flying through planes with guns blazing is wrong and why we need the collisions.
So then what exactly do you want then ?
When I started flying here in the MA I used to do the same thing, so collisions WHERE off in the MA when there was only one.
How many years have you been playing Aces High ? I am into my 6th year I believe and collisions have ALWAYS been on since I started.
Stop being so rude to folks trying to make a diff.
Problem is ... you aren't trying to make a difference at all. This is your 1st post since your original posting and you have not "suggested" anything the would improve upon the current collision model ... so your not really trying to make a difference ... your just pissin' and moanin' because you really don't understand the collision model.
Most of you dont even use your game ID gotta hide behind some other name so you can be rude! If you dont have anything constructive to say, please shhhh
I have been SlapShot on the BBS and in-game since day 1.
Collision model IS unfair, super unfair.
WOW ... it's not just unfair ... it's SUPER unfair ... I should probably rethink my stance.
Im chasing enemy plane chasing my squad mate and a C205 comes down and trys to shoot me down, misses, tries to pull out but collides into me and I go down everytime! NO thread I have read explains to me why this is fair.
If you had it your way then the guy who did collide with you would have not received any damage and neither would you .... BUT ... since he was guns blazing at you ... you still would have been torn to shreds regardless, and he would not have been forced to avoid you and he would have flown away completely unscathed. I would assume then, at that point, you would be back in here saying that that is not fair.
The problem here is not the collision model ... it's your SA and a failure to dodge an incoming attacker.
Maybe get a slower connection? Switch to DSL? Whatever will make the Coll Model work in my favor, oh wait, that would not be fair!
:rolleyes:
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Me and my squaddies ran into him last night in LW Blue. I know why he wants the collision model changed. LOL:rolleyes:
Oink