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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SirLoin on January 08, 2008, 07:52:03 AM
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In AH when the plane catches fire,it's a done deal..
Why not have the option of pulling an engine extinguisher button for bombers and have a chance to put out the flames?
And for fighters,them being able to nose down at high speeds with a slight chance the fire will go out and you can glide yout way down(instead of death)?
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In AH when the plane catches fire,it's a done deal..
Not always. Just the other day I shot up an A6M with .50's, his engine caught on fire, and I took him for dead (our altitude was about 1k ft). Instead, he quickly ditched on water, and because we were in his territory, I did not receive credit for a kill.:rolleyes: I'm sure that A6M was salvagable...
I agree that it would be fun and more realistic to have more options during engine fires. That would require more complicated engine modelling in general, but not everyone wants to head down that road.
Finally, instead of death, you can always bail out when your engine is on fire.
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from my experience ....ditching being the only option, how you fly seems to make a diff in time alive it seems.
lower speeds seem to keep you alive longer, possibly due to less stress on wings. i have also noticed some planes seem to last longer when on fire, zero in particlar but then again it could be the speed/stress factor.
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Originally posted by Dastrdly
from my experience ....ditching being the only option, how you fly seems to make a diff in time alive it seems.
lower speeds seem to keep you alive longer, possibly due to less stress on wings. i have also noticed some planes seem to last longer when on fire, zero in particlar but then again it could be the speed/stress factor.
Some D-bag had his zero flying with no wing, no tail, and on fire yesterday
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Put fires out? Nah. I'd rather you no longer can fire weapons once you're on fire. Too many folks press the fight for too long. I'd like to see bombers lose altitude from the formation as they try a shallow dive to put it out but then go POP!
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ive been pinged, suffer no damaged.. but yet im on fire and then explode.. happens all the time:huh
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Originally posted by Wingnutt
ive been pinged, suffer no damaged.. but yet im on fire and then explode.. happens all the time:huh
I think the fire, WAS the damage :rofl
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Originally posted by dedalos
I think the fire, WAS the damage :rofl
well what I mean is I get mo damage SOUND (ya know that dreaded sound that tels you something just fell off) and im all green in the damage list..
but yet Im a torch.. what is burning? the oil or fuel.. that isn't leaking? was my aircraft material doped with kerosene? does the ground crew hat me THAT much?:furious
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Originally posted by SirLoin
And for fighters,them being able to nose down at high speeds with a slight chance the fire will go out and you can glide yout way down(instead of death)?
I might be wrong here regarding aircraft fires but in all my real-life experience, the more air you put on a fire, the faster (and hotter) it burns.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
I might be wrong here regarding aircraft fires but in all my real-life experience, the more air you put on a fire, the faster (and hotter) it burns.
until you reach the point that you add so much air that the feul to air ratio is offset too much to burn
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Originally posted by dkff49
until you reach the point that you add so much air that the feul to air ratio is offset too much to burn
you have to pass though the stage where you pretty much have a blowtorch before it goes that lean i would guess..
i would think going to very alt would work better.. less 02.. not really possible in a timely manner though
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Blowing out a candle just adds more fuel. Same principle. The flame goes out.
Kinda like flooding a car trying to get it to start. Too much fuel and it just won't ignite. The liquid fuel itself isn't burning so much as the vapors coming off the liquid as it hits air. Too much fuel isn't a problem.
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Originally posted by Wingnutt
you have to pass though the stage where you pretty much have a blowtorch before it goes that lean i would guess..
i would think going to very alt would work better.. less 02.. not really possible in a timely manner though
since i have never flown a plane in RL or been in one with engine on fire I am not speaking from experience but I would think that if you increase your speed enough (which I think is probably the purpose of the dive) this would pretty quickly not only add air to the mixture but also remove feul away from the fire. This would kind equate to holding a lit lighter and running down the street with it. In a couple of steps you will see the flame go out.
just a thought from a fire fighter
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I think we should employ the co-pilot method of extinguishing fires. If the plane is on fire the Captain or AC will instruct the co-pilot to walk the wing and put it out with a hand extinguisher.
It works well on the ground I sit in the warm cockpit while the co-pilot walks outside for the pre-flight in 20 below weather. I love being in charge.
JUGMAN
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Or solve a good deal of problems and turn the water... into water!
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i thought there was only Fuel tank fires in AH? :confused:
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Originally posted by Wingnutt
ive been pinged, suffer no damaged.. but yet im on fire and then explode.. happens all the time:huh
well....if you've been pinged, then you obvioulsy DID suffer SOME form of damage.....and i'd tend to think the flames comming from under your engine cowling would be the result of said damage.:D
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Maybe I'm just crazy, but won't we need engine fires before we need creative ways to put engine fires out?
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Originally posted by Krusty
Blowing out a candle just adds more fuel. Same principle. The flame goes out.
Real world it hasn't been found to be truly effective using high speed to put fires out. What it does do is intensify the fire with the increase risk then of more/quicker structural damage from the fire.
That being said, If I'm on fire I'm getting my butt on the ground!!
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From what I've experienced, and I'm not sure if this is right, when you catch fire in AH2 it's a fuel fire. When the fuel tank that is leaking runs out of fuel you blow up.
I'd like to see some kind of change to fires, be it you can't fly anymore, or some way to put the fire out. Anything new is something good.
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Originally posted by Latrobe
From what I've experienced, and I'm not sure if this is right, when you catch fire in AH2 it's a fuel fire. When the fuel tank that is leaking runs out of fuel you blow up.
I'd like to see some kind of change to fires, be it you can't fly anymore, or some way to put the fire out. Anything new is something good.
actually, i think you may be right......if you think about it, the engine really can't catch fire........the oil spewing out of a ruptured line can,,,,or the fuel leak....or the fuel tank leaking.....but...well....the engine is one big hunk of metal parts.......:D
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B-17s could put out engine fires by diving at over 300mph.
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B-17s were equiped with fire supression systems IIRC in the form of extinguishers in the nacelles. The diving thing makes no sense as more air makes for an O2 rich enviroment in wich fuel fires thrive. To become too rich to burn one needs to add MORE gasoline not O2 to the extent that it goes from the LEL into the UEL at wich point it will not burn as more O2 is added to the point where LEL and below is maintained fuel will burn readily.
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My only WWII pilot source past away several years ago and I have been unable to find any written sources to confirm or disprove the diving theory. But I would not discount that diving maybe a possibility because it does sound as though getting enough speed and air passing through the engine compartment may drop fuel below the LEL (lower explosive limit).
However I would not expect anyone in RL in thissituation in a single engine fighter to attempt this because it will most likely increase the fire momentarily and an already hot cockpit will most likely get hotter. But for the multi-engine planes this may have been a possibility.
To add one more note though.This would not help in AH due to the fact that if you would experience an engine compartment fire it is because you have a mechanical problem and this would effectively put your aircraft out of the fight
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
B-17s were equiped with fire supression systems IIRC in the form of extinguishers in the nacelles. The diving thing makes no sense as more air makes for an O2 rich enviroment in wich fuel fires thrive. To become too rich to burn one needs to add MORE gasoline not O2 to the extent that it goes from the LEL into the UEL at wich point it will not burn as more O2 is added to the point where LEL and below is maintained fuel will burn readily.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Kj54qUKgvrgC&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21&dq=%22b+17%22+diving+to+put+out+engine+fire&source=web&ots=ll6wq8cNtL&sig=9vlNMxXEaLpCBVpyYu0zZFlgGRU
An account of a B-17 putting out an engine fire with a dive.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
http://books.google.com/books?id=Kj54qUKgvrgC&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21&dq=%22b+17%22+diving+to+put+out+engine+fire&source=web&ots=ll6wq8cNtL&sig=9vlNMxXEaLpCBVpyYu0zZFlgGRU
An account of a B-17 putting out an engine fire with a dive.
Good read!:aok
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nice job finding this.i was hoping that someone find something like this to confirm or disprove the dive as a fire extinguishing method. but the diving method would still be kind of worhtless in AH due to the fact that in this case and most others the plane would still be out of the fight due to damages done in the attack and from the fire itself.
thanks
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So? At least you'd have the opportunity to either get home, or at least get far enough from the fight to put down somewhere.
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Beyond the adding air/fuel to the fire debate, my guess is that any pilot in a real-life fighter on fire would be bailing as quickly as possible, not trying to put the fire out.
Only in a game where there is no consequence to health or well-being would you try to extinguish the fire or ditch safely.
I think it's modeled correctly. You either die in a blaze or bail.
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Kid the other night was teaching me how to fly :rolleyes: and was telling me if I was ever in a "bomber" and the engine caught fire I could dive and put it out. :noid
I didn't have the heart to tell him I fly a "bomber" all the time.... :rofl
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They did it in Memphis Belle, Hollywood can't be wrong! :p Was this added to the story for drama in the movie?
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Memphis Belle is actually a collection of wild and crazy things that really happened on different bomber missions all compiled into one composite mission. I've read the accounts of alot of the different things that happened in the movie "Memphis Belle". Fascinating stuff.
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Doesn't look like it's been mentioned yet, but engine fires don't exist in Aces High. If you look (which is impossible in online fighters), it's a fuel fire from the fuselage when you think it's an engine fire. On bombers you can see the fire off to one side of the engine. (I think the B-17 is an exception; one bomber in the game has fires that look like they're in the engine.)
In short, all Aces High fires are currently burning fuel tanks.