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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Carwash on January 08, 2008, 09:47:45 AM
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Ok, let me preface this with two items that may keep some of you from flaming this post:
1. I have been flying a 109-K4, so the current ENY setup does not bother me very often.
2. If you were to search "ENY" you would get about a thousand hits, so if this has already been proposed, forgive me.
How about changing the current ENY setup so that planes are not removed from the "available" list as ENY rises, rather they become perk planes as ENY rises. At ENY=5, the Spit XVI, LA7, N1K2 and the like become perk planes. At ENY=8 the P51-D becomes a perk plane, and so on. As ENY rises the perk price increases as it does with other perk planes. A pop-up box might be necessary to let players know they have selected a perk plane.
The planes would be available for those who really want to fly them. Others would get their wish as the LA7 became a perk plane.
Just an idea.
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I think the ENY system is fine just the way it is....................
Just sayin:aok
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Originally posted by Carwash
If you were to search "ENY" you would get about a thousand hits,
Unfortunately you would not get any hits at all.
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Originally posted by Carwash
Ok, let me preface this with two items that may keep some of you from flaming this post:
1. I have been flying a 109-K4, so the current ENY setup does not bother me very often.
2. If you were to search "ENY" you would get about a thousand hits, so if this has already been proposed, forgive me.
How about changing the current ENY setup so that planes are not removed from the "available" list as ENY rises, rather they become perk planes as ENY rises. At ENY=5, the Spit XVI, LA7, N1K2 and the like become perk planes. At ENY=8 the P51-D becomes a perk plane, and so on. As ENY rises the perk price increases as it does with other perk planes. A pop-up box might be necessary to let players know they have selected a perk plane.
The planes would be available for those who really want to fly them. Others would get their wish as the LA7 became a perk plane.
Just an idea.
Ohhhhhh, someone had a good idea. You will be burned :D
I like it :aok
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I dislike this idea unless it were to incorporate further changes to ENY, in that implementing it within the current structure of ENY would simply neuter ENY. If you have 20000 perks, who cares if your late war rocket costs you 15 or 20?
It would be a better idea if ENY was changed so that the cost of perk planes skyrocketed dramatically in response to ENY. (i.e at an ENY of 20, an LA7 costs you 200+, an F4U-4 500+, and a 262 in the thousands), but even so, in my opinion implementing this idea simply adds complexity without really fixing anything.
ENY as is isn't perfect, but it does help gently herd the cats in the right direction a majority of the time.
And no, you can't search for ENY - it's only 3 letters.
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Locking people out for something beyond their control is hardly gently...
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Leave it as is....
There are FAR too many dweebs in LA7s, Spit 16's, N1KI's, and P51-D's already.
Whatever happened to flying machines that required some skills?
I used to see KI84's, KI61's, 109's....but rarely anymore.
It's already bad enough to see the hoard coming...LA7s, Spit 16's, N1KI's, and P51-D's, LA7s, Spit 16's, N1KI's, and P51-D's, LA7s, Spit 16's, N1KI's, and P51-D's, ad nauseum....
68ROX
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I wish they would Perk the heavy bombers.
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Charge $29 per month :) Problem solved :aok
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I like the idea, I would put a decent perk cost on them, not some 10 -15 perk, more like 50-100 range. Like someone else stated what good is it going to do for those with 20,000 perks. Well it's going to make em use them. To me if someone want to spends their perkies they should be allowed too. So let the guys that love their LALAs and spits use those perks to go die in there lower eny ride when eny kicks in. :D
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
I like the idea, I would put a decent perk cost on them, not some 10 -15 perk, more like 50-100 range. Like someone else stated what good is it going to do for those with 20,000 perks. Well it's going to make em use them. To me if someone want to spends their perkies they should be allowed too. So let the guys that love their LALAs and spits use those perks to go die in there lower eny ride when eny kicks in. :D
Typically those who have gobs of perks ... do not usually fly what some call the "uber" set of planes, so they would probably still not fly them (use them).
I have over 31,000 perks and for some reason ... always find myself crawling into my FM2 / F6F or some other plane besides the "uber" set.
So, you could put a perk cost of 500 on a P-51D and it wouldn't phase me in the least, not because I couldn't afford the cost ... I would simply up a P-51B because it would be more challenging and fun compared to the P-51D (and the difference between the 2 isn't really mind-blowing).
Adjusting/adding perks to planes when sides get lopsided is for all intents and purposes doing exactly the same thing now as what ENY does. The difference is that ALL are effected equally with the current ENY notion.
Just cause you have a boatload of perks shouldn't make you exempt from the sting of ENY.
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Carwash, this is not a flame response. If someone is trying to figure out a revision to the current ENY setup, then it is my feeling that it is having the effect desired. I say no to changing the ENY system.
Oink
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Originally posted by waystin2
Carwash, this is not a flame response. If someone is trying to figure out a revision to the current ENY setup, then it is my feeling that it is having the effect desired. I say no to changing the ENY system.
You're right, this is not a flame. Honest comments, pro or con, are not flames. A flame would be something along the lines of "You just want ENY changed so you can fly your LA7 all the time. Learn to fly a real plane dweeb." I've seen plenty of post like that. Whether you like my idea or not, I can appreciate honest comments.
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I think the main purpose of ENY is to apply a handicap to balance the extra man power a team has. By making the "uber planes" available, even if heavily perked defeats the main purpose of ENY....don't ya think?
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Originally posted by Yeager
Charge $29 per month :) Problem solved :aok
For you.
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I agree with this idea.
and yea, people with thousands of perk points is a moot argument.. they are not the problem.. the problem is the sheer MASS of these planes you see..
you can pull all the pie graphs out you want (im sure someone will) but it remains, the La7, 51D, XVI, are way too prevalent.
as far as deadliness, the 51D is not a bother to me.. but the spit 16 helicopter and the LA7 are more "uber" than some rides which are perked.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
I think the main purpose of ENY is to apply a handicap to balance the extra man power a team has. By making the "uber planes" available, even if heavily perked defeats the main purpose of ENY....don't ya think?
Bingo.
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Originally posted by waystin2
Carwash, this is not a flame response. If someone is trying to figure out a revision to the current ENY setup, then it is my feeling that it is having the effect desired. I say no to changing the ENY system.
Oink
On that note, if ENY had done what it was supposed to do, we would not be seeing any posts about it for the past year since the sides would have been balanced and no one would be effected by ENY anymore.
Sooooo, how did it work so far?
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Originally posted by dedalos
On that note, if ENY had done what it was supposed to do, we would not be seeing any posts about it for the past year since the sides would have been balanced and no one would be effected by ENY anymore.
Sooooo, how did it work so far?
It was never supposed to accomplish what you are indicating.
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With the large planeset available, ENY discussions should not even be happening. You like the La7, eny wont allow it fly the La5FN, you like spits, and the 16 not available, fly the 8, 8 not available fly the 9. You like ponys and the D not available, fly the B. Like someone said earlier, I don't believe the differences between models within each type is that significant overall. If living or dying or getting kills is dependant on you flying the late war models, then you "should" be flying earlier marks to improve your self.
My 2cents
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Originally posted by dedalos
On that note, if ENY had done what it was supposed to do, we would not be seeing any posts about it for the past year since the sides would have been balanced and no one would be effected by ENY anymore.
Sooooo, how did it work so far?
It is set up to make the fight more fair, not to balance the numbers in the arena. Nobody said it was bad to have a 2 to 1 number advantage, but when you do you won't be flying the "uber planes" as well.
A by-product, or excuse was to switch countries IF you felt you had to fly your uber plane, it was never the intent.
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Originally posted by VERTEX
With the large planeset available, ENY discussions should not even be happening. You like the La7, eny wont allow it fly the La5FN, you like spits, and the 16 not available, fly the 8, 8 not available fly the 9. You like ponys and the D not available, fly the B. Like someone said earlier, I don't believe the differences between models within each type is that significant overall. If living or dying or getting kills is dependant on you flying the late war models, then you "should" be flying earlier marks to improve your self.
My 2cents
exactly.
However his idea does go along with something ive thought all along, the perk/eny system could work together well. currently the cost of perk planes goes up as the ENY gets out of balance, but why not start perking the other planes as it gets more and more out of balance?
you could even make the perk planes free for the low numberd side.
But then as Slapshot mentioned, it doesnt really matter to most of us cos we have 1000s of perks to play with.
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Originally posted by Lusche
It was never supposed to accomplish what you are indicating.
You guys sure? i thought the intent was to eliminate hordes and balance the sides.
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Originally posted by dedalos
You guys sure? i thought the intent was to eliminate hordes and balance the sides.
Positive ... the main intent was to try and make things fair by limiting the planes that the horde could fly ... a side incentive of ENY was to induce people to change sides to try and balance ... thus eliminating ENY all together.
Don't want to switch/balance ... then ENY will try to level the playing field.
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Originally posted by dedalos
You guys sure? i thought the intent was to eliminate hordes and balance the sides.
I am. No one ever thought this ENY system could ever eleminate hordes - it's just trying to hurt 'em a bit by taking their big guns away when things start to get really ugly. It's just an incentive to switch sides.
To eleminate any imbalances in number, other systems would have to be introduced, limiting sideswitching, restricitg flight for certain countries or even limit arena access at all. Some of them even have been tried.
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Just as a side note, I think ENY was originally designed for the sole reason of assigning perk points. It's only later that the ENY limitations came about, after many years. I think they just happened to be an already-coded system of ranking some of the better planes, so it was just easier to say "okay, start going down the list and disabling them in order"
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The birth of ENY limit (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=126649)
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Originally posted by Lusche
The birth of ENY limit (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=126649)
It's all Delirium's fault ... another P-38 jockey causing trouble and bringing mayhem to the MA ... he hasn't been on all that often as of late, so Corky has taken the torch and is running with it.
Originally posted by Delirium
I think its a BAD idea, I'm willing to bet it will cost you customers. It will be an even worse implementation if you do not allow people to change countries on a whim.
Why not use the current ruleset to encourage balanced teams? For example, multiplying the perk bonus/cost, or even not allowing the side with overwealming numbers to fly lower ENY aircraft.
I had always hoped the squads themselves on each side would be responsible and mature enough to prevent this type of BS equalizer. Its too bad we need something from HTC to do something we should have been doing all along; treat each other with respect.
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I agree with mouse. Whatever the penalty in perk points for ENY would be acceptable.
Maybe a logarithmic perk scale associated with ENY growth that would have previously denied a player an ai
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
I think the main purpose of ENY is to apply a handicap to balance the extra man power a team has. By making the "uber planes" available, even if heavily perked defeats the main purpose of ENY....don't ya think?
Agreed. The purpose of ENY is to handicap the side or sides with superior numbers. However, I think folks would think twice about taking out a LA7 if it cost 50 perks. All the higher perk price planes are fairly rare in the game. How many times do you see a 262 compared to LA7s? For that matter, even a Tempest is relatively uncommon to see. So, I think a perk price in the 50 buck range would discourage use.
Possibly, the side with numbers would bite the bullet and get the perk planes, particularily if they were close to resetting the map. It might bring about more map resets, but that is not necessarily a bad thing.
It is just an idea. Something different. A way to put a new twist into the game. Keep it fresh, if you will. I like the big maps. I like new maps. I like FSO. I like scenarios. I like titanic Tuesday because it's different. Honestly, I think one of the worst things that could happen to AH is for it to get stale. If this system was implemented, it would not have to stay around for ever. Either way, I'll continue to play. Continue to feed HT my $14.95 per month, and continue to get a great entertainment value out of it.