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(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/yanksfan001/Randilynn_Age101copy.jpg)
This is "Tailspin" Randi Lynn Mckenna at age 10, She was taken from us recently by a hit and run driver, E2hawkey sent me this pic today and I thought those of you who attended her memorial flight might like to see her, again my thanks for attending, if you missed the film here is a direct link to it.
http://www.freewebs.com/yanksfan001/acesofaceshighfilms.htm
Don
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Rest in Peace
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Prayers sent to family and friends.
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Sorry ... Let me say first off that if my increasing suspicions are wrong, and if I offend someone by asking, I'm truly sorry.
But because this keeps coming around on the forum, I simply have to ask - can someone please point me to a news item anywhere that confirms this?
When this was first announced, I immediately searched the news archives, but found nothing. It was mentioned in the AH forum that "it wasn't in the news because they still notifying family members" (paraphrased, since I don't recall the actual wording) - it seemed extremely odd both because when a child is killed by a hit and run driver, it generates a massive amount of news, and the police are making a tremendous effort to involve the community in helping them find anything that might lead them to the driver - and because it seemed like an odd thing to even say.
But ... each and every time this has come around on the forum, I've searched, and there is still nothing in the news.
If the family lost their little girl, then they have all the sympathy and prayers I could ever offer.
But I guess what I'm saying is that I'm starting to feel as though there is an ever increasing possibility that we might be just being played here.
If I offend anyone by mentioning that I'm becoming increasingly skeptical, I apologize. But... I have to wonder, when I can't find anything anywhere in any of the news archives regarding this tragic death.
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> Tailspin
May good Tailwinds be upon you.
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Man . . . sorry to hear this. Best wishes to you and your family.
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Originally posted by Ghastly
Sorry ... Let me say first off that if my increasing suspicions are wrong, and if I offend someone by asking, I'm truly sorry.
But because this keeps coming around on the forum, I simply have to ask - can someone please point me to a news item anywhere that confirms this?
When this was first announced, I immediately searched the news archives, but found nothing. It was mentioned in the AH forum that "it wasn't in the news because they still notifying family members" (paraphrased, since I don't recall the actual wording) - it seemed extremely odd both because when a child is killed by a hit and run driver, it generates a massive amount of news, and the police are making a tremendous effort to involve the community in helping them find anything that might lead them to the driver - and because it seemed like an odd thing to even say.
But ... each and every time this has come around on the forum, I've searched, and there is still nothing in the news.
If the family lost their little girl, then they have all the sympathy and prayers I could ever offer.
But I guess what I'm saying is that I'm starting to feel as though there is an ever increasing possibility that we might be just being played here.
If I offend anyone by mentioning that I'm becoming increasingly skeptical, I apologize. But... I have to wonder, when I can't find anything anywhere in any of the news archives regarding this tragic death.
Don't feel bad, I thought the same as you when I heard of it, I tried to find a record of a player with that ID in the score records and there was none, so you weren't the only one thinking that, like he said I apologize if it's true.
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Again I want to thank Yanksfan for the wonderful film that he produced for the Memorial Flight, and he showed us all what an "Ace of Aces High" is truely about. He is truly and Ace in my eyes, he has always showed respect towards other's in the community, and is always there to help anyone who needs it. <>
For the few of you that will come in here on an open forum with no tact, or an ounce of decency, you should really take a look at yourselves real hard. If you must know something so sensitive, then use your brain, or even ask someone that has one. "Think".. if this was your neice, or someone very close to you, how would you feel when you hear, or even read what you have posted. My God People, do ya not have any dignity, or even self respect.
If you must know, contact myself in the arena, not in an open forum where you get your jollies.
Eaglehrt
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Originally posted by Ghastly
Sorry ... Let me say first off that if my increasing suspicions are wrong, and if I offend someone by asking, I'm truly sorry.
But because this keeps coming around on the forum, I simply have to ask - can someone please point me to a news item anywhere that confirms this?
When this was first announced, I immediately searched the news archives, but found nothing. It was mentioned in the AH forum that "it wasn't in the news because they still notifying family members" (paraphrased, since I don't recall the actual wording) - it seemed extremely odd both because when a child is killed by a hit and run driver, it generates a massive amount of news, and the police are making a tremendous effort to involve the community in helping them find anything that might lead them to the driver - and because it seemed like an odd thing to even say.
But ... each and every time this has come around on the forum, I've searched, and there is still nothing in the news.
If the family lost their little girl, then they have all the sympathy and prayers I could ever offer.
But I guess what I'm saying is that I'm starting to feel as though there is an ever increasing possibility that we might be just being played here.
If I offend anyone by mentioning that I'm becoming increasingly skeptical, I apologize. But... I have to wonder, when I can't find anything anywhere in any of the news archives regarding this tragic death.
i can see where an eye brow or two might be raised and all im gonna say it police had their eyes on who they think did it and a gag order (requested by her daddy) was and is in effect the level of the situation and drama of of details are shared only with who we feel we shouldshare it with and why shouldint we in my family keep her in living memory my family isint the greatest her life wasint the happest but here she found friends (family and community) are we am i so wrong that i share the fact that she loved it out here as do we all? the fact that she "keeps coming up is the only outlet i have to grieve a sudden loss and the fact that we didint have meny things of hers or photos and send in this photo was so that all those who see it can put a smiling face to a Callsign for God sake if you felt sorry for saying it then you shouldint have posted it not every thing in this word will provide prof and if there are post here you dont like Dont Click on them COPY THAT ?
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Originally posted by trax1
Don't feel bad, I thought the same as you when I heard of it, I tried to find a record of a player with that ID in the score records and there was none, so you weren't the only one thinking that, like he said I apologize if it's true.
dude she was on a 2 week trial an H2h when her & lil Janna lived with me and my wife My god this is insane why am i bothering forget it
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Originally posted by E2hawkeye
i can see where an eye brow or two might be raised and all im gonna say it police had their eyes on who they think did it and a gag order (requested by her daddy) was and is in effect the level of the situation and drama of of details are shared only with who we feel we shouldshare it with and why shouldint we in my family keep her in living memory my family isint the greatest her life wasint the happest but here she found friends (family and community) are we am i so wrong that i share the fact that she loved it out here as do we all? the fact that she "keeps coming up is the only outlet i have to grieve a sudden loss and the fact that we didint have meny things of hers or photos and send in this photo was so that all those who see it can put a smiling face to a Callsign for God sake if you felt sorry for saying it then you shouldint have posted it not every thing in this word will provide prof and if there are post here you dont like Dont Click on them COPY THAT ?
god bless the warm hearted and Hell will warm the cold sorry for my Rant
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hawkeye i don't think they mean to be offensive.
there was an incident a while back where some squeakers pretended that one of their squad had died or something, and we staged a memorial flight for the guy before he posted on the boards laughing at us for being so gullible IIRC (it was quite a while back now). it was one of the lowest and most pathetic things i think i've ever seen.
things like this have happened before, so people are reluctant to fall into any pranks that are set up by dumb kids who greatly disrespect genuine tragedies such as 68KO's death, and that of randi's.
so please don't be angry at people who have doubts. we want to make sure that geniune losses like this are well respected and mourned.
i never flew with randi but was really sad to hear the news of her very unfortunate death, and i was honoured to take part in the memorial flight
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Seems, Tailspin Randi Lynn, flew mostly H2H, I have seen her with my own two eyes in the TA, I have talked with plenty that new her.
I have spoken with Eaglehrt and i have spoken with E2hawkey on this very subject the circumstances of her death are a private matter and I am satisfied with that,I need no further proof or explanation.
May she rest in peace and may God bless her and keep her always. Please show respect and let this matter be at an end.
Don
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Originally posted by trax1
Don't feel bad, I thought the same as you when I heard of it, I tried to find a record of a player with that ID in the score records and there was none, so you weren't the only one thinking that, like he said I apologize if it's true.
I upped with her quite a few times in the h2h arena's so yes, this callsign did exist if that's what your insinuating but I do believe that there's been nothing released due to a gag order requested by her dad...
May her soul R.I.P. and know my thoughts and prayers are with her family and friends.
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Originally posted by E2hawkeye
i can see where an eye brow or two might be raised and all im gonna say it police had their eyes on who they think did it and a gag order (requested by her daddy) was and is in effect the level of the situation and drama of of details are shared only with who we feel we shouldshare it with and why shouldint we in my family keep her in living memory my family isint the greatest her life wasint the happest but here she found friends (family and community) are we am i so wrong that i share the fact that she loved it out here as do we all? the fact that she "keeps coming up is the only outlet i have to grieve a sudden loss and the fact that we didint have meny things of hers or photos and send in this photo was so that all those who see it can put a smiling face to a Callsign for God sake if you felt sorry for saying it then you shouldint have posted it not every thing in this word will provide prof and if there are post here you dont like Dont Click on them COPY THAT ?
you aid they have an idea who did it???? ooooooo please please PLEASE tell us they caught the f'in creep that took her!!!!!! the driver of that car REALLY deserves to rot in hellll.........
sorry if i sound angry, but i have a 7 year old niece in florida, and love her to death......dunno what i'd do if that happened to her.
<> to her and family
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Originally posted by E2hawkeye
god bless the warm hearted and Hell will warm the cold sorry for my Rant
dude......you have ablsolutley NOTHING to apologize for...............
hang in there bud.........
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
hawkeye i don't think they mean to be offensive.
there was an incident a while back where some squeakers pretended that one of their squad had died or something, and we staged a memorial flight for the guy before he posted on the boards laughing at us for being so gullible IIRC (it was quite a while back now). it was one of the lowest and most pathetic things i think i've ever seen.
things like this have happened before, so people are reluctant to fall into any pranks that are set up by dumb kids who greatly disrespect genuine tragedies such as 68KO's death, and that of randi's.
so please don't be angry at people who have doubts. we want to make sure that geniune losses like this are well respected and mourned.
i never flew with randi but was really sad to hear the news of her very unfortunate death, and i was honoured to take part in the memorial flight
im trying to remain level headed every one and fogive me if at times i rant my anger resides with the one man that seems always one step ahead of the law and i cant expect everyone to understand the situation and the veil covering the details that normaly would be public yes there is way more than meets the eye the scope of wich is cost our family sleep we never been a bradey bunch family she lived out of a knap sack and lived every where at one point or another its a factor that haunts us and has torn my family apart now i only come to you all in this game because She had sparkle in her eyes when she excitedly spoke about it and the wonderful people we could meet in it she never showed that level of energy toward people so i gave this a try and saw through her eyes what that this wasint Just a game i sit in a room that is a shrine exactly as it was when she left it still thinking shes gonna call like she did several times a week(we cant let go) you dont just get over it forgive me im ranting i have no where elce to vent my pain she was as close to having our own child my wife and i would ever get
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Thank you Major Biggles - you have in a few short sentences very eloquently summed up exactly why I felt compelled to post as I did.
Hawkeye, I have no desire to cause anyone any additional pain, and am truly sorry if you lost someone dear to you. And if there are circumstances beyond those you've mentioned that account for the fact that there is no mention of her death, then I'll simply accept that.
And while this may have been kept generally private by the family, it has been made a very public event here in Aces High. But the truth is that examined without the emotion that naturally accompanies the thought of the untimely death of a comrade - and a child at that - it's an increasingly difficult thing we as a community are being asked to simply accept at face value - that there is anywhere in America today where a hit-and-run motorist can take one of our children without so much as a mention in the news, without making so much as a ripple - even that there is anywhere in America where a families wishes are even remote respected by the news agencies.
Eaglehart, I don't even know how to respond to your post, presuming it was directed at me. There's no 'jollies' involved, and for goodness sake - it's been openly public on the boards for week's now, with a half dozen posts and an open memorial flight. And you're wrong about something else too. It was out of respect for the Aces High community that I felt compelled to make a difficult post as tactfully as I could. Without respect, I'd have simply said "Ya' right, we're being conned here... " and moved on - especially as this kind of thing HAS been done in the past. Since I think you are pretty young, I'll assume that you are still at the point where everyone who doesn't share your own convictions and opinions must automatically be a villian and let it go at that.
A final thing though that I'm fairly certain of - I'm just not that special, or different than everyone else. If was thinking it, so are a couple of hundred others.
Just nobody wanted to be the first (or even the second) to say it.
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Originally posted by Ghastly
But because this keeps coming around on the forum, I simply have to ask - can someone please point me to a news item anywhere that confirms this?
If you knew what state/county she lived in it would be easy enough to search the pulic records for a death certificate.
This would have had to been recorded and would not in any way intrude on family privacy or an open police investigation.
I did a cursary open search and found nothing. In comparison, I found my father and two of my uncles within minutes.
Maybe E2Hawkeye would be willing to oblige with state/county.
I'm not arguing for or against, just trying to come up with a very simple solution to end the speculation.
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I believe some traceable link or other verifiable form of proof should accompany any claim of a death being posted on any internet bulliten board.
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Some folks have not read where this child lived with one of the AH families. They have a valid question... too many times falsehoods have been posted on this and other forums. Think no less of them because they question an account of what or if something happened.
Once bitten twice shy.
Tailspin
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i flew with tailspin everynight in 8 player with all my squeeker friends.
May she rest in peace and always be remembered tailspin
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Originally posted by Ghastly
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I'd have simply said "Ya' right, we're being conned here... " and moved on - especially as this kind of thing HAS been done in the past. Since I think you are pretty young, I'll assume that you are still at the point where everyone who doesn't share your own convictions and opinions must automatically be a villian and let it go at that.
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dude..........if the screen names of the people involved were new names, or zip codes....then you'd have a chance of being right......but look at all of the names.....they're all well respected within the arenas, and i think eaglehart isn't as young as you think.....i've fought him, and toaked with him....he's actually a pretty cool guy. same goes for yanks, hawkeye, and most of the others.
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Truly sad to see a young life cut short by a hit and run driver.
Tailspin and to her family.
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is there no link to any news story anywhere on the internet? local news?
If its a secret and no one gets to know...why post it at all?
If Im going to see these sad tragic stories put out here on our community BBS I want to knw for sure than my sympathies are going out to a genuine family, a genuine event...not some squeeker having a prebuber prank?
Im sorry, been burned before....proof me out.
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God Speed Tailspin
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No Yeager. The father requested a gag order, so that her family is only able to discuss what happened in a computer game, complete with her name, a brief description of the events, and some background into her family life.
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I think that certain realities need to be addressed here...
1st and formost the death of a child...any child...is a tragedy beyond comprehension or articulation if you haven't (and I thank god I haven't). However I do know folks who have (and came close to losing my 13 yr old daughter in a horse riding accident) and I've seen them age 15 years over night and a certain light go out of there eyes never to return. It is simply a wound that never closes. My nieghbor lost his 16 yr old years ago and still washes his dead sons car every weekend...
I understand the few "questioning" posts and understand both the skepicism and true intent and hold no lowered opinion or cross word. However lets assume you know you'd be right 99.99% of the time...
Do you want the burden on your soul for the 1 time in 10,000 you put even a single grain of salt on a wound that can never truely heal?
The 20 seconds it took me to whip my horse over to my busted up and bleeding and motionless daughter still replay in my mind and pass like a month over a sun dial...I literally played out the rest of my days and my decision to let her place herself in harms way (she had finally begged me enough to let her ride my horse and I was on hers)...
There are some absolutes that transend our normal caution and need for "verification" and in these rare circumstances the greater good is served by simply leaving doubts and questions unasked and unstated.
When you look at the picture you pray it was a hoax, sadly my heart tells me it wasn't.
Tailspin and godspeed..
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My original post was not meant to insult anyone by saying there was no record of a player with that game ID, as I stated if it's true I do apologize, but as Major Biggles posted there have been cases were people lied about something like this before, so you do have to be somewhat skeptical about these things.
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Originally posted by trax1
My original post was not meant to insult anyone by saying there was no record of a player with that game ID, as I stated if it's true I do apologize, but as Major Biggles posted there have been cases were people lied about something like this before, so you do have to be somewhat skeptical about these things.
Very true, but you dont need to say anything. Even here the "if its true", "were people lied" & "have to be somewhat skeptical" comments are uncalled for IMO. Thats not ment as a harsh comment but a simple reality. How will you feel if it IS true? What do you gain by this line of "questioning" and what possible value would an apology after the fact have?
Again its just my opinion but the harm in being wrong goes far beyond the benifit of being right...doesn't it?
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tailspn
She was a real player I flew with her in H2H quite a bit. I saw her once in Il2 but due to the nature of the game making it hard to read texts was not able to contact her.
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How will you feel if it IS true?
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I would feel terrible.
I believe that there is an OBLIGATION here in this community to provide proof of matters of such dire and heartbreaking news. in the world of internet deceptions and pranks, verifiable proof is the bare minimum for me.
When a child is killed by a hit and run driver, it makes the local news agency and any news establishment will have an online component that reports it. A gag order? I want to feel terrible but Im not inclined to believe something that is of such magnitude if it cannot essentially be proven. I honestly hope it is not true.
If it is, I will feel terrible for the loss of innocent life. It would be tragic.
Sorry if I seem out of line, I just don't give this sort of thing any credibility if it cannot be substantiated through verifiable proof.
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And the "deception" would cause what real harm in our little world?
Now lets look at the flip side, we already see how 68KO's widow/family benifited from knowing "us"...sometimes just the need to try and connect somehow is overwhelming...so my buddy polishes his dead sons car.
So if the posting here isnt about us or trolling for sympathy but just a real attempt to reach out and touch the metphysical "traces" of something that doesnt exist anymore??
So when a guy wakes up at 4am and looks for a way to "connect" and comes here...he really needs to read your comment?
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Originally posted by Yeager
How will you feel if it IS true?
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I would feel terrible.
I believe that there is an OBLIGATION here in this community to provide proof of matters of such dire and heartbreaking news. in the world of internet deceptions and pranks, verifiable proof is the bare minimum for me.
When a child is killed by a hit and run driver, it makes the local news agency and any news establishment will have an online component that reports it. A gag order? I want to feel terrible but Im not inclined to believe something that is of such magnitude if it cannot essentially be proven. I honestly hope it is not true.
If it is, I will feel terrible for the loss of innocent life. It would be tragic.
Sorry if I seem out of line, I just don't give this sort of thing any credibility if it cannot be substantiated through verifiable proof.
End it. If you don't believe it, it's really simple to not say anything. If you weren't in her circle or their circle, then it shouldn't matter to you. Don't salute, don't say goodbye, and try to have the maturity not to ask for more evidence when an adult, of the AH community, says he lost a child/grandchild/daughter... whatever the relation.
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I am sorry for your loss...I truly am.
Saying that, I find it disconcerting that any of the healing process can be offered up on this BBS though. It baffles me that anyone would post something so personal on here.
Perhaps this is cold... perhaps not. It's not meant to be. It's how I feel and what I expect when I log on to play a computer game. I personally don't believe the Aces High II BBS is the place I want anyone to tell anyone my death.
I'm getting a little overwhelmed and tired of seeing everyone's bad news or business posted up here. I think maybe there should be another forum devoted soley to this... it's getting entirely too common.
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See, now im getting involved.. It's hard not to, I guess. In regards to the post before mine; She was a member of Aces High II and has friends and family in game. Did you watch the memorial flight? Maybe, when uneducated about a situation we just not post?
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Maybe, when uneducated about a situation we just not post?
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Maybe, when making claims about a tragic accidental death of a member of OUR community, provide some verifiable proof for OUR community.
A memorial gathering in an online game does not consititute proof of death, btw :cry
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so sorry to hear about this.
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Originally posted by Yeager
How will you feel if it IS true?
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I would feel terrible.
I believe that there is an OBLIGATION here in this community to provide proof of matters of such dire and heartbreaking news. in the world of Internet deceptions and pranks, verifiable proof is the bare minimum for me.
When a child is killed by a hit and run driver, it makes the local news agency and any news establishment will have an online component that reports it. A gag order? I want to feel terrible but I'm not inclined to believe something that is of such magnitude if it cannot essentially be proven. I honestly hope it is not true.
If it is, I will feel terrible for the loss of innocent life. It would be tragic.
Sorry if I seem out of line, I just don't give this sort of thing any credibility if it cannot be substantiated through verifiable proof.
I'm with Yeager. A couple of years ago, someone (who shall remain nameless) had posted that one of our squad-mates - Pugg, had been killed in a car accident - hit by a drunk driver. Yeager, and the rest of us in the 13th TAS were quite upset having lost one of our good friends. One year later, I see Pugg online. I tell him he we thought he was dead - turns out it wasn't true - someone had told a lie to create sympathy for themselves (ie. screw around with us). Pugg was away on a work assignment for a year - he was upset too that someone had fabricated his death.
Bluntly denying us to news articles or proof is not very professional or appreciated because it adds doubt. This is the Internet and as such, claims of death and person loss can be easily fabricated. It has happened here at HTC too often which is why some of us are taking this with some reservation. If there is legitimate proof and this is a true event, I cannot personally imagine the loss being a father of two kids. But adding doubt with 'gag' orders and denying evidence, then you're asking people to question the truth of this tragic event.
But, please, put this to rest and point us to a news clipping. Otherwise, I'll ask HTC to move the thread to the O'CLUB or close/remove it.
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Yeesh - I had promised myself I was done with this topic, but I guess not. There are those of you who are (legitimately, I might add) asking why people (me among others) felt a need to say anything if they didn't think they could just accept what's been said at face value on this subject.
You are asking "Why not just skip over it, just ignore it, and move on?"
Earlier, I said that I felt that I was representing others when I posted - this time, I am only just representing me. And the reason for me is that I simply couldn't. When some kid claims he's psy ops and it seems utterly unlikely, you just grin and skip to the next thread. This (for me) is different.
I and my wife never thought we'd have kids. I had surgery to fix a problem that didn't seem to take, and after a few years we resigned ourselves to what was the expected outcome and focused on other aspects to life. After all, there are far worse tragedies in life, although I understand the pain, helplessness (and at times anger) of anyone who desperately want kids and can't. Anyway, an unexpected miracle occurred, and we had a son born to us - prematurely. A premature birth is terrifying enough, but then he fell ill, and we were told it could go either way, the only thing to do was wait. I can't describe the terror that accompanied the thought that after waiting so long that we could lose him - humble alluded to it and some of you will understand and some of you won't. For two days I moved beyond the terror, into a calm acceptance of the certainty that he was gone. Anyway, he rallied, and after 12 days in the ICU, we took him home - a second miracle. And then a few month's later we found that he had a congenital heart defect, and were told again that it could go either way - the only fix is an operation for a replacement heart valve, which they can't do until adulthood. His heart condition would either stabilize and he'd be OK, or it would continue to worsen and we'd eventually lose him, and either way, other than a few precautions such as avoiding chest impacts and being extremely careful about infections, there was not much anyone could do. So every few months for years we took him in to hear the new verdict, and while after a few years of good prognosis the terror kind of dulls a bit, having the sword of Damacles always hanging over your head changes you. I don't need or want your sympathy, because the truth is we've been as lucky as you can be - every time that something bad has seemed likely, the very best possible outcome has been what's happened. He's now 15, and the worst is over. Yes, he'll probably need an operation - someday. But by then who knows what the current technology will be.
But like I said - the point is that the sword hanging over your head changes you. I don't read the stories in the paper that tell of tragedies happening to children - they strike a little too close to home. I don't read books or watch movies if I know they include tragedies happening to children either, for the same reason. And when I am taken by surprise by a book or a movie like Pay it Forward or more recently The Road to Tarabithia, I feel angry and betrayed by the movie writers for subjecting me to the death of a child - even make believe - unawares.
So when I read that someone in a community I feel to be a part of has lost what to them is the only child they will ever have, my heart simply wrenches. Here is someone who is living out my very worst nightmare.
But... at the same time, whatever his reasons may be, someone in the community that neither I nor anyone I know personally knows firsthand has told a story that (to be as kind as possible) seems increasingly unlikely, about somone else in the community that I never knew. And given past scams, it's not outside the realm of possibilities that this might be one too.
And so I've agonized over it. I badly want to believe him, because I have a sense for the pain he and his wife must be going through - and although I know better about human beings, I don't really want to actually have to believe again that someone is capable of making a sick joke of something like that. At the same time, I badly want to not believe him, because I'd really rather believe that it didn't happen anyway - except that if it didn't happen, then I want someone's privates roasted on a stick for subjecting me (and the rest of us too, but mostly me) to a sick joke if that's what it was.
FWIW, after several PM conversations I'm more inclined than ever to believe that the story is probably unlikely, but that the loss is very real. So I'm very very very sorry for Hawkeye and his family for the loss of Tailspin, and if the story is not entirely true, just as sorry for whatever in this sometimes sh***y world made whatever the truth is so unbearable that what he told us was preferable.
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BTW - having a brother-in-law who is a funeral home manager, we checked the obituaries database of all the newspapers in North America. She didn't come up unfortunately. Please provide more evidence.
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this tribunal had my blood pressure up so bad it made me vomit.
first of all let me say she is my niece and i had no right sharing any information whatsoever i felt compelled to let a handful of people in her circle of friends know what happened it seems that she alone had Quite an imact over all that this comunity wanted to pay their respects at the time yanksfan made the film we had no photo now i found one and sent it to our circle seems that people were finding it hard to find the link to watch the memorial so Yanks made another post thats all
now we are dealing with a runaway train
I will not defend explain or provide anymore information to you all after this final statement
her daddy could give a Rats behind about me this game and all who are in it i say again i had no Right saying any thing outside of my family about her death but its water under the bridge now isint is?
yes i know there are doubts maybe even with in my own squaddies as no one wants to believe shes gone but theres a respect level though to keep the doubts of this nature where they belong! people look! i never wanted any of the insanity wich this has become some people wanted a way to say good bye to a little girl that left her mark no one asked you for money or your sympathey, maybe a prayer or two but if that requires three pieces of Id and a thumb print well then keep your prayers too if theres one fact i can prove to you all it is this ! some of you and i say again some of you in uesing your first Amendment rights have served nothing more than to hurt me!! im done with this mess "remember this" I contacted Her circle of friends and posted in an attempt to reach her H2H friends and now its a witch hunt? what a shame
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
No Yeager. The father requested a gag order, so that her family is only able to discuss what happened in a computer game, complete with her name, a brief description of the events, and some background into her family life.
The police report for the assault on Serenity was sealed, too (so he said).
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The police report for the assault on Serenity was sealed, too (so he said).
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Is this the same guy from the serenity story?
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Sealed case for hit and run? No obituary? No record in any media outlet?
If I'm wrong, may the lord have mercy on our souls for questioning this tragedy.
If we're right, and this is a hoax... it's a criminal offence to fake a death.
I hope to god I'm wrong.
Also, is this the place to be posting photo's of a dead child? Is that respectful to her seeking pity for her tortured soul? What are we trying to achieve?
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Codolences from my side of the atlantic too.
Originally posted by Yeager
How will you feel if it IS true?
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I would feel terrible.
I believe that there is an OBLIGATION here in this community to provide proof of matters of such dire and heartbreaking news. in the world of internet deceptions and pranks, verifiable proof is the bare minimum for me.
When a child is killed by a hit and run driver, it makes the local news agency and any news establishment will have an online component that reports it. A gag order? I want to feel terrible but Im not inclined to believe something that is of such magnitude if it cannot essentially be proven. I honestly hope it is not true.
If it is, I will feel terrible for the loss of innocent life. It would be tragic.
Sorry if I seem out of line, I just don't give this sort of thing any credibility if it cannot be substantiated through verifiable proof.
Explain me how it can be a deception to know a kid is not instead of being very dead ?
I fail to see the point.
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Some of you people are heartless ba stards, you know who you are. No money or anything else for that matter has been asked for. Who cares if on an off chance this story is not true. The torture this family is most likely going through is being compounded by your thoughtless posts. Think before you post about the impact your words will have on others, and know to that what goes around comes around. Call it karma or gods judgement or whatever you will but you eventually reap what you sow.
Tailspin and R.I.P. May God bless your young soul.
BTW I know I will prob get Skuzzified and I hope he Deletes this whole thread.
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Originally posted by acfireguy26
Some of you people are heartless ba stards, you know who you are. No money or anything else for that matter has been asked for. Who cares if on an off chance this story is not true. The torture this family is most likely going through is being compounded by your thoughtless posts. Think before you post about the impact your words will have on others, and know to that what goes around comes around. Call it karma or gods judgement or whatever you will but you eventually reap what you sow.
BTW I know I will prob get Skuzzified and I hope he Deletes this whole thread.
You should be. You just told me that unless I post in a way you like, your god will punish me by taking away my daughters? WTF? yeah, think before you post. This thread should have not been started.
Hubs was probably the best post in here. At list the only one that made any sense.
I was PNGed for not agreeing with HT in a nicely manner. I would expect they do the same to you for wishing harm to other peoples kids in here. Grow up, all of you! You post in a public forum, be prepared to deal with some questions.
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would someone please provide a link to the obituary notice.
Thanks, and my heartfelt condolences to the family
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Originally posted by dedalos
You should be. You just told me that unless I post in a way you like, your god will punish me by taking away my daughters? WTF? yeah, think before you post. This thread should have not been started.
Hubs was probably the best post in here. At list the only one that made any sense.
I was PNGed for not agreeing with HT in a nicely manner. I would expect they do the same to you for wishing harm to other peoples kids in here. Grow up, all of you! You post in a public forum, be prepared to deal with some questions.
I do not wish for anyone to lose a loved one especially a child and that was not what I meant . I meant that you should treat others as you yourself would like to be treated, and that the injustices that you commit against others usually have a way of coming back and haunting you.
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does that represent squeeker logic?
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ya know what? i was hoping H T would have squashed the insanity at my last post
seems that selective reading syndrome is in effect here!!!!!
all that this thread was for was so that any one who had trouble finding the you tube memorial flight film ( that Yanksfan was kind enough to make)
could do so with out further frustration
People i never asked anyone to do any thing
it was outof the warmth and kind- ness of heart
that any of this went the way it is
and its still going take a step back and look what you doing??
this isint date line or Cnn now eveyone is lobbing insults and curses
Read what im writing if you have any respect at all youll stop it if you wanted to view the link that yanks fan provided by all means do
if not move along nothing it sickens me to see tha B S no one owes you a darn thing and if you dont believe it who cares the harder you all pick poke and prod only shows how little respect you have for her friends here
for pete sake move along i can care less that YOU want proof you make me sick
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my suspicians are really getting hyped now.
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Originally posted by acfireguy26
Some of you people are heartless ba stards, you know who you are. No money or anything else for that matter has been asked for. Who cares if on an off chance this story is not true. The torture this family is most likely going through is being compounded by your thoughtless posts. Think before you post about the impact your words will have on others, and know to that what goes around comes around. Call it karma or gods judgement or whatever you will but you eventually reap what you sow.
Tailspin and R.I.P. May God bless your young soul.
BTW I know I will prob get Skuzzified and I hope he Deletes this whole thread.
So my two kids died in that car wreck 2 years, 4 months and 11 days ago because of something I did?
That's so much BS. If there is one thing you learn from losing a child its that there is no 'justice'. All the good deeds in the world don't promise you anything. #$%# happens.
The other thing you learn is that you have now moved to Hell, and there is nothing anyone can say or do that can ever hurt you again, because the worst possible thing that could ever happen already did with the death of your child.
As for whether talking about it here helps. I found it a safe place to come when I was up to it after the accident. I could read what I wanted, post when I felt strong enough and I got all kinds of support from those folks who just were there when I needed to 'talk'.
None of it changed the horror of the loss, but it can be a good escape when the weight of that loss is overwhelming.
And my condolences to the parents of that child. I'm very sorry you've joined the club no one wants to join :(
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Me too Yeager. The poor grammar and typing skills are making me think this is prank. Rants that a kid would make.
And to post it in the General Discussion, unprofessional. Calling us heartless? Not respectful? Look in the mirror. Is this whole discussion and parading around the death of a child like an idol respectful? Parading around the death of a child, fake or real, is not respecting the rules of the forum, and abusing the purpose of these discussion groups.
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Sealed case for hit and run? No obituary? No record in any media outlet?
If I'm wrong, may the lord have mercy on our souls for questioning this tragedy.
If we're right, and this is a hoax... it's a criminal offence to fake a death.
I hope to god I'm wrong.
Also, is this the place to be posting photo's of a dead child? Is that respectful to her seeking pity for her tortured soul? What are we trying to achieve?
Ditto.
E2hawkeye, even if there is a gag order as you stated, there would still be something along the lines of "girl dies in hit and run...police are not releasing any details at this time."
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I see no point in allowing this thread to continue.