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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on January 08, 2008, 07:44:44 PM
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:eek: This should be interesting! I'll wait to see how it pans out before I make judgement...
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca
But, whoever actually wrote them, the newsletters I saw all had one thing in common: They were published under a banner containing Paul's name, and the articles (except for one special edition of a newsletter that contained the byline of another writer) seem designed to create the impression that they were written by him--and reflected his views. What they reveal are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays. In short, they suggest that Ron Paul is not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing--but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics.
Evidently the RP campaign is doing some fast damage control! "Help, we hear the flushing of a toilet, it could be our campaign!"
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/125/ron-paul-statement-on-the-new-republic-article-regarding-old-newsletters
So fess up, how much did ya'll piss away on this losing campaign for RP?
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Smeartacular! Not enough that Fox won't let their viewers decide on which candidate to vote for eh?
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Did you read it? All of which I've read so far is true.
So far I've read up to half way. If you can point out one untrue part, I'll eat my words.
But most of you are so afraid of race, that you'll probably point to the parts you perceive as racist.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Smeartacular! Not enough that Fox won't let their viewers decide on which candidate to vote for eh?
You should see some of the liberal blogs out there hammering Hillary....Christ, one needs to wear a tin hat to even comprehend some of the smear that they dream up....at least this site had enough evidence to get a reaction from the campaign people. :rolleyes:
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RP must be making someone feel awful uncomfortable.
If he was a non factor this wouldnt be out.
didnt read the article but then again I dont really care if he has a bigoted past.
I've yet to meat the human of any color who has not displayed some form of racism at some point in their lives.
Those who woud deny it I would say either have selective memory. Or are flat out liars.
take your pick
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Did you read it? All of which I've read so far is true.
So far I've read up to half way. If you can point out one untrue part, I'll eat my words.
But most of you are so afraid of race, that you'll probably point to the parts you perceive as racist.
The hack job part was in the bottom half.
It was just that a total hack job.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
RP must be making someone feel awful uncomfortable.
If he was a non factor this wouldnt be out.
If David Duke was running I think we would see the same treatment and I know he would be a "non factor".
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Was a really interesting show on North Carolina based email and telephone character assassination. Said Atwater came to repentance during his losing fight with cancer. Rest in peace.
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Originally posted by Tango
If David Duke was running I think we would see the same treatment and I know he would be a "non factor".
That comparison is just a LITTLE reach isnt it?:rolleyes:
I suspect the Guliani camp is probably behind it.
shows in NH the two are battling for 4th place
It isnt #1 but it shows he's climbing.
I know his internet following is HUGE
Considering less then a year ago people were saying "Ron who?"
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little green footballs has been running with this story for weeks now. They even have a picture of PR posing with the creater of "Stormfront" a neonazi site and his son.
I don't think he's directly involved with these people but don't like the fact that he likes to take dirty money.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
little green footballs has been running with this story for weeks now. They even have a picture of PR posing with the creater of "Stormfront" a neonazi site and his son.
I don't think he's directly involved with these people but don't like the fact that he likes to take dirty money.
Well, in his defense...*every politician does, without even realizing it.
*Exception might be the Clintonista's. :noid
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Dr. Paul doesn't have a bigoted past. Some nasty rhetoric was written 20 years ago by someone else in a newsletter that was under Ron Paul's name. Ron Paul didn't write or edit the newsletter, and the person who did was dismissed by Paul.
The writer of this hit piece is trying to make a name for himself by deflating the grassroots support of Paul. He claims to be a cynic who enjoys making political supporters of anyone squirm. Apparently he is a big Rudy fan because he is "the most pro-gay White House contender in history."
Rip may have found the story from a gay website, since Drudge took down the link soon after posting it, and even Fox won't link to it.
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Rip, this had been dug up already at the very start of the presidential campaign. That you missed it might be a clue that few people heard about it, either because they didn't care about RP enough yet, or simply because it's false. Like Rolex said, the author wrote it without RP knowing about it and got sacked as soon as he was noticed.
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You must be black to belong to the same church as Obama. But I guess since he's black he can't be a racist right?
http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
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Originally posted by moot
Rip, this had been dug up already at the very start of the presidential campaign. That you missed it might be a clue that few people heard about it, either because they didn't care about RP enough yet, or simply because it's false. Like Rolex said, the author wrote it without RP knowing about it and got sacked as soon as he was noticed.
Could be...don't shoot the messenger. :aok
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
That comparison is just a LITTLE reach isnt it?:rolleyes:
So your saying alittle bit of racism isn't so bad and can be overlooked?
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Originally posted by Tango
So your saying alittle bit of racism isn't so bad and can be overlooked?
One of the best ways to deal with Truth is to apply an ism and make the person feel guilty for thinking it.
Don't bother investigating truth, just call him a racist and let yourself feel good about it.
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1. First they ignore you - done
2. Then they ridicule you - done
3. Then they fight you - now in progress
4. Then you win.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Definitely...don't shoot the messenger. :aok
TFTFY
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Originally posted by Tango
So your saying alittle bit of racism isn't so bad and can be overlooked?
So... your the target audience for propaganda? Thats good to know.
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As much as I try to find something about Ron Paul worth supporting I cant. He just seems too detached from the goings on in our modern world. If this were 1805 I think he would be very popular.
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Originally posted by Yeager
As much as I try to find something about Ron Paul worth supporting I cant. He just seems too detached from the goings on in our modern world. If this were 1805 I think he would be very popular.
You're probably right. The rule of law is old fashioned.
It would be a lot more convenient if the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were no longer even studied in school. Just take them out of the textbooks and ban discussion or reading of them. That way the young adults in the future won't be asking embarrassing questions to their parents about why the Constitution and principles the nation was founded upon were abandoned in the "modern world."
While we're at it, we should also change the oath of office for commissioning and oath for enlistment. Let's just delete the objectionable parts (the Constitutional yucky stuff).
"I, (state your name), do solemnly swear, (or affirm,) that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."
"I, (state your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."
The oath of office for the president is trickier:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States to the best of my ability."
Kind of bland, but it leaves plenty of wiggle room to deal with the modern world.
When the Constitution is passé, there is no basis for the nation to exist anymore, and no national identity for the people. Just come out of the closet and admit that you don't believe in the Constitution. Admit that you aren't an American; you're a neo-American of the "modern world." That's why you can't find something worth supporting. You support nothing. You stand for nothing.
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Originally posted by Rolex
You're probably right. The rule of law is old fashioned.
It would be a lot more convenient if the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were no longer even studied in school. Just take them out of the textbooks and ban discussion or reading of them. That way the young adults in the future won't be asking embarrassing questions to their parents about why the Constitution and principles the nation was founded upon were abandoned in the "modern world."
While we're at it, we should also change the oath of office for commissioning and oath for enlistment. Let's just delete the objectionable parts (the Constitutional yucky stuff).
"I, (state your name), do solemnly swear, (or affirm,) that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."
"I, (state your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."
The oath of office for the president is trickier:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States to the best of my ability."
Kind of bland, but it leaves plenty of wiggle room to deal with the modern world.
When the Constitution is passé, there is no basis for the nation to exist anymore, and no national identity for the people. Just come out of the closet and admit that you don't believe in the Constitution. Admit that you aren't an American; you're a neo-American of the "modern world." That's why you can't find something worth supporting. You support nothing. You stand for nothing.
Whether the point of the text proves we are in complete agreement on how it relates to our perspective political stances or not, I still must say it's well written, to the point and worthy.
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Originally posted by Rolex
You're probably right. The rule of law is old fashioned.
It would be a lot more convenient if the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were no longer even studied in school. Just take them out of the textbooks and ban discussion or reading of them. That way the young adults in the future won't be asking embarrassing questions to their parents about why the Constitution and principles the nation was founded upon were abandoned in the "modern world."
While we're at it, we should also change the oath of office for commissioning and oath for enlistment. Let's just delete the objectionable parts (the Constitutional yucky stuff).
"I, (state your name), do solemnly swear, (or affirm,) that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."
"I, (state your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."
The oath of office for the president is trickier:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States to the best of my ability."
Kind of bland, but it leaves plenty of wiggle room to deal with the modern world.
When the Constitution is passé, there is no basis for the nation to exist anymore, and no national identity for the people. Just come out of the closet and admit that you don't believe in the Constitution. Admit that you aren't an American; you're a neo-American of the "modern world." That's why you can't find something worth supporting. You support nothing. You stand for nothing.
Even though it was pointed at Yeager, It kinda sums up the way I see alotta people voting in this election today-Too damn afraid to change anything away from the status quo, And more apt to worship the party line rather than the Original basis of the constitution, and what it stands' for.
Christ, it's not like someone's saying to pick up a rifle and bayonet, and go charge capitol hill. It's only filling in blanks' on election day. Bravery's gotta start somewhere.
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Originally posted by Tango
So your saying alittle bit of racism isn't so bad and can be overlooked?
What Im saying is what I said before.
Obviously you missed it so I will repeat it again.
"I've yet to meat the human of any color who has not displayed some form of racism at some point in their lives.
Those who woud deny it I would say either have selective memory. Or are flat out liars.
take your pick"
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Originally posted by Yeager
As much as I try to find something about Ron Paul worth supporting I cant. He just seems too detached from the goings on in our modern world. If this were 1805 I think he would be very popular.
I would say that it is because of the goings on in our modern world that he is worth supporting.
The constitution is being ignored more and more little by little
And your rights and liberties are being stripped from you little by little.
Everyone complains but nobody wants to actually do anything about it.
People are more worried about "voting for the lessor of two evils" ,"Voting for this one to keep that one out, then in preserving their personal liberties by putting the right person in.
End result.
We will end up with more of the same getting progressively worse until the damage is so great that all is eventually lost.
I don't agree with all of Ron Paul's positions.
But those I don't agree with I don't view as being a huge issue.
The two main ones are
His stance on abortion- While I am pro choice. it really isn't a big issue with me. Firstly because I'm not a woman so it really doesn't effect me. and secondly because I don't ever see it being completely outlawed.
Restricted in some respects, yes. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. but its never going completely away. So its really not worth being a deciding factor
And secondly. the Iraq war - We've reached a point of success there that we should start planning for ways to bring our guys home. No matter who gets in. It would be irresponsible to "just pull out" and that wont happen anyway. Its not as easy as all that.
That's what I don't agree with.
but his positions on areas that do concern me. the constitution and personal liberties. I am pretty close to being in lock step
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Even though it was pointed at Yeager, It kinda sums up the way I see alotta people voting in this election today-Too damn afraid to change anything away from the status quo, And more apt to worship the party line rather than the Original basis of the constitution, and what it stands' for.
Christ, it's not like someone's saying to pick up a rifle and bayonet, and go charge capitol hill. It's only filling in blanks' on election day. Bravery's gotta start somewhere.
Exactly.
I say do it before it takes picking up a rifle and bayonet and charging up capitol hill.
Which is exactly whats its goingto take if we keep only going for the two the media and the corperations want us to have.
So long as we keep voting for this one just to keep that one out.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
What Im saying is what I said before.
Obviously you missed it so I will repeat it again.
"I've yet to meat the human of any color who has not displayed some form of racism at some point in their lives.
Then you should get out more.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
One of the best ways to deal with Truth is to apply an ism and make the person feel guilty for thinking it.
Don't bother investigating truth, just call him a racist and let yourself feel good about it.
One of the best ways to cloak a lie is to tie a bit of truth to it. It is unfortunate that you seem to be blinded by your own "ism" to see that.
"Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began,"
Truth - Order was restored after the 3rd day.
Lie - Welfare checks stopped the disturbances. (The National Guard showed up on the 4th day.)
The article even has the Month wrong.
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Paul himself has said that secession was just. He does believe that the states have a right to secession.
I had told you guys from the beginning that I liked Paul a lot and that his views were mostly mine but that when the girls here found out that he was really for freedom... real freedom.. they would run screaming into the night or curl up into a fetal position.
Think about this guys.. if you had a newsletter and you let people write in it...
Would any of you not even bother to read the damn thing?
Of course he read it. He does have these views... that secession is the right of a free people and that no group should have special rights compared to every other individual..
He was not... is not... able to express these views in his political life.. the sissies would come unglued but.. he most certainly took some relief by seeing then expressed in his newsletter.
I told you guys that you wouldn't like real equality or freedom or individual rights.. they only sound good.. roll off the tongue nicely.. not something your really want to practice or anything.
Lincoln was wrong and he was the first of the lousy presidents.. the first power grabber that felt big government was more important than the constitution and individual rights.
lazs
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Originally posted by Tango
Then you should get out more.
I get out plenty.
And I observe people in their natural habitat.
Kinda a hobby of mine.
EVERYONE either does. or has practiced rasism in one form or another either occasionally or at some point in their lives.
Some may not realise they are doing it.
But
EVERYONE does
I'd be willing to bet the farm that if I were around you long enough.
I'd see it in you too.
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Racists love Ron Paul:
Stormfront (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/)
And he does nothing to discourage it and is happy to take their money.
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I'd take their money too, and spend it on anti-racism operations...
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Originally posted by moot
I'd take their money too, and spend it on anti-racism operations...
:rofl :aok
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bet hillary takes money from pedophiles.. I bet that if you did a search you would find that 99% of pedophiles vote democratic.
That doesn't mean that the democrats are a perfect fit for em it just means that they think they will get a better deal with democrats. And they will.
That doesn't even meant that democrats agree with pedophiles lifestyle or sexual practice.. it just mean that they will give a better deal to em than republicans say.
If ron paul says that affirmative action is racism and evil.. then a white supremicist group would pick him over anyone who felt that negros needed extra rights.
That does not make paul a prefect fit.. just better than the socialists.
lazs
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I don't buy Ron Paul's "Blowback" theory that they attack us here cause we're over there..Militant Islam is an enemy and pulling out of Iraq & hoping for the best would spell disaster for the whole Middle East.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
I don't buy Ron Paul's "Blowback" theory that they attack us here cause we're over there..Militant Islam is an enemy and pulling out of Iraq & hoping for the best would spell disaster for the whole Middle East.
It is not Ron Paul's theory.
I remember the same disaster talk about leaving Vietnam, Lebanon, Somalia...
I look forward to reading your case that the Middle East would be a disaster. It will be a challenge, since you'd have to start by proving that it isn't a disaster now. Particularly for Iraqis, not one of whom had anything to do with attacking "us here."
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Wotan, political activists love you. Your simple, uncritical acceptance of anything they say brightens their days and puts food on their table. Your kind represents the "low hanging fruit" of swaying opinions, the people where little is needed in terms of persuasion because you're already so receptive to anything they say.
Just as every animal has a place in the ecosystem, you fulfill the vital role of supporting these brave swayers of opinion when times are tough and normal smart folks are less likely to be persuaded by weak innuendo. When people ask questions and create difficulties for them by saying "Hold on, who stands to gain from this?", your unquestioning acceptance moves polls enough to earn them their paycheck.
The monument they'll erect for your type will feature a vacantly smiling citizen with a pleasant demeanor and well coiffed hair. The dedication, of course, will be to The Great American Sucker.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
I don't buy Ron Paul's "Blowback" theory that they attack us here cause we're over there..Militant Islam is an enemy and pulling out of Iraq & hoping for the best would spell disaster for the whole Middle East.
Why then do they attack and hate us so? You think they are just jealous of our freedoms and way of life? Seems a bit too simple and egotistic.
Go back far enough and a lot of our problems abroad are due to our interference. How better than to prevent more of this than removing our troops from abroad?
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Wotan, political activists love you. Your simple, uncritical acceptance of anything they say brightens their days and puts food on their table. Your kind represents the "low hanging fruit" of swaying opinions, the people where little is needed in terms of persuasion because you're already so receptive to anything they say.
You don't know anything about me, what I believe, or my political leanings etc...
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I know that you grabbed onto a discredited, retracted news story the way a drowning man would grab a life preserver. I know that you embraced its message with fervent enthusiasm. I can guess that this is because the anti-Paul message is something you can embrace, but that is, of course, a guess.
Do you see the difference in what I posted here versus what you did? I said "this is a guess based on the evidence" while yours was more of a "lolz! he's a racist" statement.
If the distinction is unclear, I'll do what I can to help, but acknowledging the problem and asking for help is the first step, and I can't make that step for you.
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I posted facts - 'Racists love Ron Paul' - is 100% accurate.
I didn't even read the first post - only the title 'Angry White Man: The bigoted past of Ron Paul'.
Folks over at Stromfront, Stormfront as an organization run by Don Black, and other racists organizations, all have donated money to Ron Paul in their names. Not one thing I posted was inaccurate or even based on what is linked in the first post.
Ron Paul is a charlatan and anyone wasting time supporting him is the true 'sucker'. This is irrespective of whether or not he himself is a 'racist'.
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Originally posted by Rolex
You're probably right. The rule of law is old fashioned.
It would be a lot more convenient if the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were no longer even studied in school. Just take them out of the textbooks and ban discussion or reading of them. That way the young adults in the future won't be asking embarrassing questions to their parents about why the Constitution and principles the nation was founded upon were abandoned in the "modern world."
While we're at it, we should also change the oath of office for commissioning and oath for enlistment. Let's just delete the objectionable parts (the Constitutional yucky stuff).
"I, (state your name), do solemnly swear, (or affirm,) that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."
"I, (state your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."
The oath of office for the president is trickier:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States to the best of my ability."
Kind of bland, but it leaves plenty of wiggle room to deal with the modern world.
When the Constitution is passé, there is no basis for the nation to exist anymore, and no national identity for the people. Just come out of the closet and admit that you don't believe in the Constitution. Admit that you aren't an American; you're a neo-American of the "modern world." That's why you can't find something worth supporting. You support nothing. You stand for nothing.
Very well said Rolex.
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Originally posted by Wotan
Racists love Ron Paul:
Stormfront (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/)
And he does nothing to discourage it and is happy to take their money.
Ron Paul can do nothing about them supporting him. Just because a group of ignorant white trash feel the need to spout racism yet support him does not mean that Ron Paul supports racism.
Cripes, if you dig deep enough, every presidential hopeful who receives money is going to have received some from some ignorant imbecile. Just because they have does not mean they support those imbeciles' cause.
Damn Wotan, you are more naive that I thought.
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the doctor is the anti-imperialist candidate... pure treason in the eyes of the empire and those scumbag trotskyites... expect the smears to continue as long as he is a visible threat.
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Naive is a good description, Bodhi. Wotan'll probably figure it out eventually, but right now, he's grabbed onto that story and paddle for all he's worth because he likes the conclusions.
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Ron Paul can do nothing about them supporting him. Just because a group of ignorant white trash feel the need to spout racism yet support him does not mean that Ron Paul supports racism.
Cripes, if you dig deep enough, every presidential hopeful who receives money is going to have received some from some ignorant imbecile. Just because they have does not mean they support those imbeciles' cause.
Damn Wotan, you are more naive that I thought.
Whether 'racists' support Ron Paul or not has no bearing on my opinion of Ron Paul. He can keep the money or give back - makes no difference to me. However, what I posted was accurate and irrefutable.
However, he can return donations he received if he chooses. The idea 'he can't do anything about it' is truly 'naive'. Other candidates have returned donations and have refused to accept donations from particular groups and individuals. Now Ron can keep the money if he wants but this along with many 'other things' shows the type of person he is. He well known for saying one thing but when it comes comes to 'action' he either does the opposite or nothing at all. How long has he called for the end of the Federal Reserve?, the Department of Education? etc.... - all good things. However, he has a record inconsistent with words he uses. He is a charlatan.
My replies have nothing to do 'with every other presidential candidate' - we all know that they are corrupt. However, someone like Ron Paul is even more corrupt because he knows he can't win. What he does exploit the disenfranchised with false promises. Even if Ron Paul won - not one thing he promises, or talks about, will come to fruition. Another false messiah taking the money away from those who are to 'naive' to realize it.
As I said Ron Paul supporters are the true 'suckers'.
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This is funny as I also heard on the news about the church that Obama has been a member of for years. Seems it's a black only church and the preacher is on record as saying whites can't go to heaven.
Bigots and racists are all colors........ I write those individuals off as ignorant.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I get out plenty.
And I observe people in their natural habitat.
Kinda a hobby of mine.
EVERYONE either does. or has practiced rasism in one form or another either occasionally or at some point in their lives.
Some may not realise they are doing it.
But
EVERYONE does
I'd be willing to bet the farm that if I were around you long enough.
I'd see it in you too.
So everyone is a racist? I guess you would say that Lincoln was a racist?
I don't hate or dislike anyone because of thier race, religion, or creed. Maybe if you paid alittle more attention when you are out around people you may notice that not everyone is racist.
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Here is my racism litmus test:
You are out walking a trail in the dark wilderness starving and near death. Along a trail you see two camps with fires burning on either side of the trail.
As you near both camps you notice one camp has people that have the same skin color as you, they look like you. The other camp has people with a different skin color than you, they look different than you do. You need to get help fast, which camp do you approach?
A) Camp same color
B) Camp Different color
Be honest with yourself.
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Originally posted by Rolex
I look forward to reading your case that the Middle East would be a disaster. It will be a challenge, since you'd have to start by proving that it isn't a disaster now. Particularly for Iraqis, not one of whom had anything to do with attacking "us here."
The Iraqi citizens are the victims in this...They have been subjected to clerical barbarism for centuries.They are not able to organize any resistance to suppression cause the militant Islamists & their deep-rooted religion bent on coersion ...converting non-believers or killing them(or killing fellow Muslims/blowing up mosques)
It's an attack on a persons freedom of belief..and fear of death from thought crime...
The troop surge was a good idea & sucessfull...
A timetable for withdrawl is counterproductive for the future of Iraq...What coalition foot soldier is going to want to put his life on the line re-building infastructure knowing exactly when everyone is pulling out?
And what more incentive for a Jihajdist to want to strap a backpack on knowing victory is defined by a date...and he can rapture himself up into heaven by an attempt against civilization(& freedom)?
We've been taking it up the keester from Islamo-fascists for long enough.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Here is my racism litmus test:
You are out walking a trail in the dark wilderness starving and near death. Along a trail you see two camps with fires burning on either side of the trail.
As you near both camps you notice one camp has people that have the same skin color as you, they look like you. The other camp has people with a different skin color than you, they look different than you do. You need to get help fast, which camp do you approach?
A) Camp same color
B) Camp Different color
Be honest with yourself.
Depends on what they are eating. I'm a picky eater.
IF they both have food that I like I would go to the nearest one first and then the other camp. Remember, I'm starving.
:aok
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I agree with what rolex posted but I also say that political correctness, affirmative action and making some crimes more heinous than others based on race are all things that do not belong in a free country. And... that all of those things are not only a form of racism but are the cause of more and more racism.
As for the riots.. To pretend that most of the rioters were not negros or that they did not demand their welfare checks after they burned their town down is some real head in the sand stuff.
lazs
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Originally posted by Tango
So your saying alittle bit of racism isn't so bad and can be overlooked?
...If I hadn't seen guys' on construction jobs' down in So. Cal get hired simply because they were mexican, and that they were simply there because of Affirmative action, not because they had any job talent or skill, I might have felt differently about this subject. But the reverse discrimination is getting absolutely preposterous. It's even more so than just 'giving an inch, and they take a mile.' Now, Were just getting too many people who aren't qualified at all in jobs' that really demand skill, or life or property damage could result.
Granting equality is one thing, but takeing advantage, and trying to exact some form of revenge for things' that happened generations' ago are another.
One last note. The racism card always' seems to get played when things are looking desperate. It might be that RP is makeing bigger waves' than what many are willing to admit.
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
...If I hadn't seen guys' on construction jobs' down in So. Cal get hired simply because they were mexican, and that they were simply there because of Affirmative action, not because they had any job talent or skill, I might have felt differently about this subject. But the reverse discrimination is getting absolutely preposterous. It's even more so than just 'giving an inch, and they take a mile.' Now, Were just getting too many people who aren't qualified at all in jobs' that really demand skill, or life or property damage could result.
Granting equality is one thing, but takeing advantage, and trying to exact some form of revenge for things' that happened generations' ago are another.
One last note. The racism card always' seems to get played when things are looking desperate. It might be that RP is makeing bigger waves' than what many are willing to admit.
Affirmative action is racist. People should be hired for thier skills and abilities, NOT because of thier race.
I've always thought that it was a racist question, on job applications, asking for your race.
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Originally posted by lazs2
If ron paul says that affirmative action is racism and evil.. then a white supremicist group would pick him over anyone who felt that negros needed extra rights.
That does not make paul a prefect fit.. just better than the socialists.
lazs
Thing is.
Affirmative action IS racism
As is the NAACP
Can you even THINK of the stink that would be made if someone came out with a NAAWP?
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Originally posted by bongaroo
Why then do they attack and hate us so?
Because we support Isreal.
thats the primary reason
I used ot have a link for an interview with former terrorists explaining it all but it no longler works
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Originally posted by Tango
So everyone is a racist? I guess you would say that Lincoln was a racist?
I don't hate or dislike anyone because of thier race, religion, or creed. Maybe if you paid alittle more attention when you are out around people you may notice that not everyone is racist.
No I didnt say that.
I said that And again I quote for your benifit
"EVERYONE either does. or has practiced rasism in one form or another either occasionally or at some point in their lives."
Just because you may have said something. or done something at some point in your life does NOT mean you are a full fledged racist.
Not everyone is a racist.
but everyone has said or done something that either is or could be construed as being racist.
Often people do it without even realising they are.
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(http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20071220RonPaulDonBlack.jpg)
Ron Paul and stormfront owner Don Black.
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I haven't been able to find a working link to the complete collection of Ron Paul Newsletters. Any suggestions?
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Ron Paul and stormfront owner Don Black.
You naive sucker - that's obviously photoshopped...
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Could be...don't shoot the messenger. :aok
It is better to just throw them down a well, like the ancient Greeks did to the messengers from King Xerxes.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by Xargos
You must be black to belong to the same church as Obama. But I guess since he's black he can't be a racist right?
http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
Wow, the more I learn about Obama, the more I am having second thoughts about him being better than Hillary.
According to this report, Obama's church teaches Black Supremacy!! That would make Obama a clear racist, if he supports these views!!
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/03/columnist_says_obamas_church_h.php
This is really most odd, as Obama's mother was white, and he was raised by her and her white parents ( his grandparents ).
So I had thought that Obama was really a White man, since he was raised by an all white family.
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Originally posted by Wotan
You naive sucker - that's obviously photoshopped...
That is so obvious. Just look at the lighting on Ron Paul, and how there is a shadow caused by his head. Then compare that to the two others.
Obviously they were not in the same room together.
It is amazing how dirty politics is, isn't it???
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Umm, no.
They are both facing different directions. So the lighting is correct.
Another thing is look at the light on the tips of thier noses. Its the same.
Also there was another pic of RP signing an autograph for the guys son.
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Originally posted by Tango
Umm, no.
They are both facing different directions. So the lighting is correct.
Another thing is look at the light on the tips of thier noses. Its the same.
Also there was another pic of RP signing an autograph for the guys son.
Is photography one of your major hobbies? People standing right next to one another are generally going to be under the same lighting. The other two are obviously not under the same lighting that he is. If they were, you would see a similar contrast and shadow, as you do on Ron Paul. The difference is most apparent.
The photo is also very blurry. Blur effects are often used to conceal editing. And all info inside the .JPG file has been stripped regarding its source, too. That is often done with Photoshopped files, to conceal the fact that Photoshop edited the image.
Finally, you have linked this photo from a blog that constantly bashes Ron Paul. It is not from any reliable or credible source. Instead, it is from some anonymous blog that clearly has its own political agenda to attack Paul.
The Blog does not even identify who operates it, other than apparently it is someone named Charles. No full name, no address, or phone number is provided. And if you look at the Blog in more detail, you will see that there is even a library of cartoons and photoshopped images on the site. Hmm, tell me, does that say anything??
BTW, I am no fan at all of Ron Paul myself, and would never vote for him.
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First of all I didn't link this I simply looked at the picture [that someone else posted] and can tell.
As for "Is photography one of your major hobbies?" , no its not my hobby. I have a bachelors degree from Louisiana Tech in photography and make my living photographing people. How many hours do you spend in the studio?
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Is photography one of your major hobbies? People standing right next to one another are generally going to be under the same lighting. The other two are obviously not under the same lighting that he is. If they were, you would see a similar contrast and shadow, as you do on Ron Paul. The difference is most apparent.
The photo is also very blurry. Blur effects are often used to conceal editing. And all info inside the .JPG file has been stripped regarding its source, too. That is often done with Photoshopped files, to conceal the fact that Photoshop edited the image.
Finally, you have linked this photo from a blog that constantly bashes Ron Paul. It is not from any reliable or credible source. Instead, it is from some anonymous blog that clearly has its own political agenda to attack Paul.
The Blog does not even identify who operates it, other than apparently it is someone named Charles. No full name, no address, or phone number is provided. And if you look at the Blog in more detail, you will see that there is even a library of cartoons and photoshopped images on the site. Hmm, tell me, does that say anything??
BTW, I am no fan at all of Ron Paul myself, and would never vote for him.
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That photo is not 'faked' - its the real deal. My reply:
You naive sucker - that's obviously photoshopped...
- was just sarcasm in response to the other two idiots.
Don Black isn't the only racist to have been photographed standing next to Ron Paul. As I said it's not that important to me whether or not Ron Paul is a 'racist / extremists' but it does under score my opinion that he says one thing but in reality he does the opposite. He says he doesn't 'embrace' the beliefs of those racists but can be seen 'embracing' them in photo-ops as long as they have cash in hand.
Ron Paul is the worst type of charlatan...
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of course affirmative action and all black churches and any extra rights are racism.. the entire democratic party is built on the politics of envy and class warfare and.. it is an extremely racist party. It will condone any amount of racism so long as the goal of socialism is met.
A level playing field to democrats means that everyone should be as poor and as useless as the most poor and useless person in the country... any country.
lazs
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The only likely "good" reason for this thing is that RP did his usual nice guy routine, trying to convince even the least likely (e.g. playing with his cards on the table on TV interviews where the anchor is set to make him look bad) people of his perspective.
It's not that unbelievable an "alibi", but frankly WTF is he doing with people like that, nevermind posing for pictures? Did they go to him, or was it just a chance meeting?
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democrats pose with some of the worst racists in the country.. the sharptons and the jacksons and even some la raza types all the time and no one even blinks.
lazs
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He must really be out there in platonia to not realize there's nothing to gain from standing next to those people..
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democrats pose with some of the worst racists in the country.. the sharptons and the jacksons and even some la raza types all the time and no one even blinks.
lazs
Yes but every rational and right thinking person can see those folks for what they are.
People aren't sure, or aware, of Ron Paul. Since this thread is dealing with 'Ron Paul' - let's stick to him. If you keep banging that 'lefties are bad drum' eventually you will go deaf - or the rest of us will.
He must really be out there in platonia to not realize there's nothing to gain from standing next to those people..
Ron Paul has always been the darling of the 'council on foreign relations', trilateralists', 'militia', 'racist', and 'right-wing reactionary' conspiracy kooks. The racist like Don Black didn't just discover Ron Paul now that he is running for the Republican nomination and Ron Paul isn't unaware of the background of the folks he is photographed with.
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Wotan, can you provide any quotes by Ron Paul that support your assertion that he's racist? Or does your argument rest entirely on the logical fallacy of guilt by association?
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Wotan, can you provide any quotes by Ron Paul that support your assertion that he's racist?
First, why don't you quote where I wrote, or asserted, that 'Ron Paul is a racist'.
Typical strawman...
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Because we support Isreal.
thats the primary reason
I used ot have a link for an interview with former terrorists explaining it all but it no longler works
it was mostly rhetorical but hey here's another reason to support ron paul
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Originally posted by Tango
First of all I didn't link this I simply looked at the picture [that someone else posted] and can tell.
As for "Is photography one of your major hobbies?" , no its not my hobby. I have a bachelors degree from Louisiana Tech in photography and make my living photographing people.
OK, then you should have no problem in offering us some proof that you are indeed a professional photographer.
For all of your very expert knowledge, you were not able to actually respond to any of the points that I raised about the photo in my second post about it. So I find all of your statements very lacking in credibility.
The fact that the source is from an anonymous blogger that attacks him should by itself raise concerns. Can you offer a more credible source for this other photo that you say exists? Does a sharper and clearer image exist?
You need to say something more than simply you are a professional photographer to convince me. Anyone could make such a statement anonymously in an online forum like this.
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wotan.. my point is that ron paul posing with white power guys is no worse than democrats posing with black racists as they do every day..
It also does not mean that either party is a good fit for the fringe groups.. just that the fringe groups take the lesser of two (in their minds) evils.
lazs
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Originally posted by Wotan
That photo is not 'faked' - its the real deal. My reply:
- was just sarcasm in response to the other two idiots.
What evidence do you have that it is real? Do you believe everything that is posted on blogs on the Internet??
Before calling someone a racist, one should have clear and definite facts. Perhaps he is indeed a racist. But if your proof is this photo from a blog that has photoshopped files on it and also has a clear agenda against him, well I have to say that I am unconvinced. Much better sources than this need to exist to make a case for racism.
I've never considered him to be any sort of significant candidate, so I've honestly not paid any attention at all to him, as he is clearly unelectable. I think the overwhelming number of Americans feel this way about him.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by SIG220
The fact that the source is from an anonymous blogger that attacks him should by itself raise concerns. Can you offer a more credible source for this other photo that you say exists? Does a sharper and clearer image exist?
SIG 220
Maybe you should check YOUR facts before posting. LGF was merely a HOST for the photo.
Here's the orriginal post at LGF on the story. http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353_Ron_Pauls_Photo-Op_with_Stormfront&only
You might note there's actually two photos. The second one is what looks like RP signing an autograph for Black's son.
While LGF is extremley biased against RP don't let the green grass fool you. These photos were taken from the stormfront forums.
NOTE: I would not visit this site if you are at work as it is a rascist site.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/ron-paul-revolution-live-blimpvision-388512p326.html (After google redirect)
The photos themselves were taken by Jamie Kelso of stormfront http://kelso.stormfront.org/Kelsoimages/
So unbunch your stupid photoshoped bias alert panties allready.
Now on a personal note I do not a pass judgement on RP as just about anyone can get a photo taken with a candidate and the candidate not know them personally.
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Before calling someone a racist, one should have clear and definite facts.
Why don't you try reading the replies I made in this thread before making accusations. The same reply I gave to the other 'strawman' applies to you:
...quote where I wrote, or asserted, that 'Ron Paul is a racist'.
lazs,
wotan.. my point is that ron paul posing with white power guys is no worse than democrats posing with black racists as they do every day..
It's given that the left are hypocrites and liars. However, this is not worth mentioning in a thread about 'Ron Paul'. Because the left are hypocrites and liars isn't an excuse for Ron Paul, nor is it a reason to pretend 'Ron Paul' is any better.
What makes Ron Paul worse is most folks don't know much about Ron Paul. Ron Paul has a record of saying one thing and either doing the opposite or nothing at all. On the one hand he will say, 'I don't support or embrace these guys' and with the other hand pockets their donations and smiles in pictures with them.
Don Black and Stormfront aren't the only ones - I can post links to other racist forums and organizations that are actively supporting Ron Paul. Thus my original post:
Racists love Ron Paul:
It doesn't matter to me if Ron Paul is, or isn't, a 'racist'. However, Ron Paul is a charlatan. I will leave it up to you to decide whether or not he is better or worse then the other 'charlatans' running.
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Wotan
You seem to spend alot of time on this issue, I seem to recall you saying something years ago about how white power retards like the numbers 88 or something.
Is monitering racist white retards a hobbie or do you have some other connection to them like you have to keep track do to a job or something? I am not implying nor do I think you are one BTW.
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Originally posted by SIG220
OK, then you should have no problem in offering us some proof that you are indeed a professional photographer.
For all of your very expert knowledge, you were not able to actually respond to any of the points that I raised about the photo in my second post about it. So I find all of your statements very lacking in credibility.
The fact that the source is from an anonymous blogger that attacks him should by itself raise concerns. Can you offer a more credible source for this other photo that you say exists? Does a sharper and clearer image exist?
You need to say something more than simply you are a professional photographer to convince me. Anyone could make such a statement anonymously in an online forum like this.
SIG 220
What proof do you want? A copy of my diploma?
The fact I'm a photographer shoudln't be an issue since all it takes is a little common sense when looking at it.
If you notice they all 3 have the shadows on thier faces. The boy is wearing a hat which shades more of it. So lets compare RP and the father.
Look real close at the Fathers white shirt and you will see a shadow. A shadow that shows it is from the same light source that is giving off the shadow that RP has. Its not as noticable on the Father since he is wearing a dark jacket that hides most of the shadow.
Now look at thier noses. See the hot spots they both have. Further proof that the light source is from above and slightly to the rear. The boy doesn't have it since he is wearing the hat.
Its a very poor picture that could have been much better if the person had used the flash on the camera, if there was one. Many people with pocket dgital cameras make the mistake of not using the flash at times and end up getting dark grainy pictures.
As for the OTHER picture, heres a link to the other picture of the son getting an autograph from RP.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353_Ron_Pauls_Photo-Op_with_Stormfront&only
IF he knew who the guy was and is taking his money, I'd say he has alot of explaining to do.
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Let me get this straight. It's OK if a black person belongs to a church that preaches black supremacy but a white person can't have his picture taken with a white supremacist? It's attitudes like that which cause neo-nazi groups to get more support. You're either 100% American or you're nothing.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Wotan
You seem to spend alot of time on this issue, I seem to recall you saying something years ago about how white power retards like the numbers 88 or something.
Is monitering racist white retards a hobbie or do you have some other connection to them like you have to keep track do to a job or something? I am not implying nor do I think you are one BTW.
Nothing hard about noticing that sort of stuff.. e.g. If you are a LW nut and chase any trail of historical info even if it's burried in nazi sources, you'll run into that sort of stuf. E.G.2: If I read the forums and notice Krusty behaving along certain patterns, it doesn't make me a stalker.. It's just noticing the obvious.
When I lived in Paris I could tell you all about skinheads.. I knew them like the back of my hand, because they happened to be part of the landscape. Doesn't make me a skinhead for as much.
Wotan:
"On the one hand he will say, 'I don't support or embrace these guys' and with the other hand pockets their donations and smiles in pictures with them."
Like I said, IIRC RP will take their money and spend it on better things. They're the only ones being fooled.
'I don't support or embrace these guys' and with the other hand pockets their donations and smiles in pictures with them."
The smiling part is a bit much, but maybe it's just his christian good-guy discipline showing through. Do you have proof the money he takes from them is separately channeled to racist purposes unlike the rest of his funds?
"What makes Ron Paul worse is most folks don't know much about Ron Paul. Ron Paul has a record of saying one thing and either doing the opposite or nothing at all. "
Evidence? IIRC he's the only guy in Wash. to have done the exact opposite, sticking to certain principles (Constitutional principles, in fact) through thick and thin. The only guy that renounces the drift away from the old small-govt. (etc) republican policies.
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wotan.. now it is you who are not reading what is posted. I never said that anything was an excuse for posing.
I don't think anyone needs an excuse to be seen with anyone. If ron paul promised some nazis to kill all the negros then you might have a story.
If he promised to end affirmative action and welfare and people from all walks of life supported him for that.. including some nazi a holes...
That is to me.. a non story.. a so what story...
you have to be pretty dense to not see that some of pauls views would not be better for nazis... and everyone else.. than that of most of the other candidates.
That does not mean that all nazi ideas or even most or even a significant amount are correct.. it just means that the blind squirrel gets a nut sometimes.
lazs
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Wotan
You seem to spend alot of time on this issue, I seem to recall you saying something years ago about how white power retards like the numbers 88 or something.
Is monitering racist white retards a hobbie or do you have some other connection to them like you have to keep track do to a job or something? I am not implying nor do I think you are one BTW.
I am not so sure I 'spend of lot of time on the issue' - the last time I made any post on 'racists' was years ago.
Since the primaries are underway I looked at all the candidates and like most Ron Paul sparked some interests. However, the deeper I looked the more it became apparent that Ron Paul was just a charlatan. I see a thread entitled 'Angry White Man: The bigoted past of Ron Paul' and make my reply:
Racists love Ron Paul:
Relevant to the topic and as shown its 100% accurate.
Like I said, IIRC RP will take their money and spend it on better things. They're the only ones being fooled.
The problem is there 'are no other things it gets spent on'. Ron Paul's whole campaign is little more then an extended fund raiser. He is not going to win - did you see in that debate last night? Despite what ever message he has he comes across like a clown.
The smiling part is a bit much, but maybe it's just his christian good-guy discipline showing through. Do you have proof the money he takes from them is separately channeled to racist purposes unlike the rest of his funds?
So you are saying that maybe Ron Paul is just naive? That would be incredible - 'I only took pictures with these racists because I am a good 'Christian'. The fact Ron Paul knows who these guys are - he maybe exploiting them for their donations and keeping them happy by posing in photographs with them but how do you know he isn't doing that across the board?
Evidence? IIRC he's the only guy in Wash. to have done the exact opposite, sticking to certain principles (Constitutional principles, in fact) through thick and thin. The only guy that renounces the drift away from the old small-govt. (etc) republican policies.
Have you looked at his record? Have read what he said in the past and in the process campaigning? What has he done during his time in Washington? His double talk on earmarks is the most obvious. Take a look and see what you can find.
As president he will be a permanent 'lame duck'. He will get nothing done with out the cooperation of congress and after 4 years those 'grass roots' folks will be disillusioned and Ron Paul would get bounced out of office. However, we all know Ron Paul won't win - even Ron Paul knows it.
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Originally posted by lazs2
wotan.. now it is you who are not reading what is posted. I never said that anything was an excuse for posing.
I don't think anyone needs an excuse to be seen with anyone. If ron paul promised some nazis to kill all the negros then you might have a story.
If he promised to end affirmative action and welfare and people from all walks of life supported him for that.. including some nazi a holes...
That is to me.. a non story.. a so what story...
you have to be pretty dense to not see that some of pauls views would not be better for nazis... and everyone else.. than that of most of the other candidates.
That does not mean that all nazi ideas or even most or even a significant amount are correct.. it just means that the blind squirrel gets a nut sometimes.
lazs
If I say Ron Paul is charlatan, in a thread about Ron Paul, and your reply has been 'so are those guys on the left' - then what is that? All I said is let's deal with Ron Paul, in a Ron Paul thread, with out the rationalizations about how 'those other guys do it too'.
My points have little to do with whether or not Ron Paul is a 'Nazi' but the fact that on one hand Ron Paul will disassociate with them in sound bites on the news but he still cashes their checks and is photographed with them.
Instead of addressing that your consistent response has been 'look at those other guys'. As I said I don't care about those other guys and in no way is Ron Paul's behavior mitigated, or excused, by what the others do.
If you not offering up a moral equivalent, or an excuse, then why do keep beating that drum?
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I still don't see how it's any worse then voting for Sharpton or Obama. Some people just don't like Ron Paul because he wants to take their free ride away.
P.S. Oprah funds a school for blacks only and Obama has his picture taken with her all the time.
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Nonsense, Wotan.
You have not made any points (plural). Your only point has been to paint him as a racist and nazi by insinuation and innuendo, not by any facts.
The snarky, "it doesn't matter whether or not he's a racist/extremist," and "it doesn't matter if he is or isn't a nazi," linguistics are desperate and despicable.
Do you think Dr. Paul searched them out and asked to have his photo taken with them? People ask to have their photos taken every day and at every function. He doesn't ask for a check or quiz them on their politics. They want photos taken for their own reasons, and use them for their own reasons, as is obvious in this case.
If you don't agree with his positions, that's fine. The only "points" you've made though, have been: suckers, charlatan, racist, nazis.
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Originally posted by Rolex
Nonsense, Wotan.
You have not made any points (plural). Your only point has been to paint him as a racist and nazi by insinuation and innuendo, not by any facts.
The snarky, "it doesn't matter whether or not he's a racist/extremist," and "it doesn't matter if he is or isn't a nazi," linguistics are desperate and despicable.
Do you think Dr. Paul searched them out and asked to have his photo taken with them? People ask to have their photos taken every day and at every function. He doesn't ask for a check or quiz them on their politics. They want photos taken for their own reasons, and use them for their own reasons, as is obvious in this case.
If you don't agree with his positions, that's fine. The only "points" you've made though, have been: suckers, charlatan, racist, nazis.
Haha, that's true, Rolex. That's like saying that Bush Sr. is an Al-Queda operative because his pictures' been taken with members of the Saudi Royal family.
IMHO, Dr. Paul still stands' on his original Merit.
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You have not made any points (plural). Your only point has been to paint him as a racist and nazi by insinuation and innuendo, not by any facts.
No need to lie about I wrote - it's all there folks folks to read for themselves.
What I said was:
Racists love Ron Paul:
Links and images were posted and more can be if you remain unconvinced.
The snarky, "it doesn't matter whether or not he's a racist/extremist," and "it doesn't matter if he is or isn't a nazi," linguistics are desperate and despicable.
Whether Ron Paul is, or isn't, a racist is completely irrelevant to me. If it bothers you that Ron Paul's name gets associated with racists and Nazis then email his campaign and tell him to stop taking their money and to not to take any more pictures with them. If it bothers you that I pointed this out then so what?
Anyone can go to Ron Paul's web page and see what he says about 'Racism'. What I said about Paul's 'association' with these racists in that it is duplicitous. He will say 'I don't agree with their beliefs' on one hand and take their money and pose in photos with them on the other. If you don't like that - again so what?
Do you think Dr. Paul searched them out and asked to have his photo taken with them? People ask to have their photos taken every day and at every function. He doesn't ask for a check or quiz them on their politics. They want photos taken for their own reasons, and use them for their own reasons, as is obvious in this case.
If you don't agree with his positions, that's fine. The only "points" you've made though, have been: suckers, charlatan, racist, nazis.
Here again you lie - quote where I said Ron was a racist or a Nazi. You maybe a Ron Paul fanboi and in your fanaticism you see things that aren't there. Ron Paul knows who Kelso, Duke and Black are. If you think he doesn't then you are one of those 'naive suckers' mentioned by others above.
I did call Ron Paul a 'charlatan' because he is. 'Suckers' and 'naive' were brought up by 2 others - go back and read it.
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Originally posted by Wotan
So you are saying that maybe Ron Paul is just naive? That would be incredible - 'I only took pictures with these racists because I am a good 'Christian'. The fact Ron Paul knows who these guys are - he maybe exploiting them for their donations and keeping them happy by posing in photographs with them but how do you know he isn't doing that across the board?
I don't think he was being naive. There's a few possibilities, but from my impressions, he's probably just indifferent to their BS ideology.
The worst thing that could come out of this would be for it to be used in a smear campaign.
I don't see why taking their money is bad. Can you explain why?
He will say 'I don't agree with their beliefs' on one hand and take their money and pose in photos with them on the other.
What's the contradiction? All I see is some dumb bastards giving money that would be used for racist actions to someone that won't use it for anything racist.. The best thing that could happen would be for all their money to go to him. Then, no matter if he wins or not, he'll have sucked those suckers dry.
I don't think he is like that across the board.. I honestly think you're reading him wrong the same way Chairboy and Rolex did you.
I haven't looked at his record in detail.. From everything I've heard and read so far, he sticks to his word. So can you just give one example? At this point (no offense intended) it's your word against everyone's. I've never seen any accusation that he didn't stand by his word before, ever.
Now that I think about it, I did hear something about earmarks, but IIRC there was an interview where he explained it, and it sounded like a valid reason for his doing what he did. I don't remember the specifics, only that the accusation didn't stand up to his refutal.
As president he will be a permanent 'lame duck'. He will get nothing done with out the cooperation of congress and after 4 years those 'grass roots' folks will be disillusioned and Ron Paul would get bounced out of office. However, we all know Ron Paul won't win - even Ron Paul knows it.
That would be a shame, but I'm not so sure it would happen that way; and even if it does, it is a better outcome than Giuliani or Clinton, or Obama, etc.
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well.. you guys pretty much answered wotan but I would like to hear his proof that paul is a charlatan.
I say that paul being seen with nazis or even accepting money from them is no big deal.. a non issue.
I think it is even more so if he publicly tells everyone that nazi ideals are not his.
They obviously are giving him money based on everyone else being a lot worse.
I would appeal to a nazi more than I would a commie or a racist like sharpton say.. that does not make me a nazi nor does it mean that we agree on all things.
The nazis are simply right (along with most others) on a very few things.
lazs
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Did I answer your question, SIG220?
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Well, I'll try to be a little consistent here. I thought it was a big deal when Gore accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash in a paper sack from a group of buddhist priests out in California which was subsequently traced back to the Chinese Army. Gore is a bright guy...no way did he not know that the money was tainted.
IFFF Ron Paul accepted money from a nazi or neo-nazi or semi-nazi group there is no way that he did not know what their creed is or what they stand for, or that their money is "tainted." He should do the decent thing and send it back, to at least avoid the appearance of impropriety.
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What impropriety? Unless the proportion of nazi funds are big enough, there's nothing to gain from not syphoning their resources into better things.
Akin to melting captured nazi gold into regular gold after WWII.
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Oh.. I think that he is responsible and should take such for taking nazi money..
I am just saying that it is no big deal to me. I understand why they would want paul to get in over say a osamabama or hillary. I feel the same way and for some of the same reasons.
lazs
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Originally posted by moot
What impropriety? Unless the proportion of nazi funds are big enough, there's nothing to gain from not syphoning their resources into better things.
Akin to melting captured nazi gold into regular gold after WWII.
Or using Werner Von Braun (an ex-Nazi) to head the U.S. Missile and rocketry programs' that eventually put Neil Armstrong on the moon.
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Exactly.