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Squadron Forums => Squadrons => Topic started by: DCCBOSS on January 09, 2008, 12:40:02 PM
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As many of you are aware there have been people spying from all countries, well I think this takes away from the games intent, these guys usually have two computers and jump into missions to either gather intell or to purposly foul the mission up by flying high etc...., everybody knows this has been going on in this game for long time, but my point is this, is the spying fair to the player who does well game on their on accord, developing the skills needed on thier own and do that without the need for someone else to giving them a unfair advantage by spying. My observantions so far indicted to me that the more responsable and matures player do not engage in these practices. I was hoping that the squad leaders and other responsable players could be more proactive in trying to minimize this activity that takes place. I know our squad will not have any of our members involved and we have talked to just about every squad member so far. If you feel the same please act on it, I don't think you pay money every month to cheated by this activity.
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Personally I'm a bit perplexed you'd post this here. By and large the majority of squads that post here are well established and have longstanding traditions/reputations that they value. We (71st) probably are one of the 3 or 4 largest squads in the game and you'd never have an incident with us (or any of the squads here I'd consider established).
The issue your discussing is really a "squeeker" issue born out of those who've grown up in the more skilless "game the game" modern quake/DoD world of online multiplayer games. The vast majority of active players dont participate in this dweebishness and dont condone or support it.
Large squads like ours have two distinct benifits that tend to naturally counter this type of minor annoyance.
1st we often announce where were going, we want you to find us (most good squads like to fight other good players)...we wont always win but we work hard on being the 8,000 pound gorilla...
2nd do to our numbers and the great teamwork we have with a bunch of other squads we never post missions. If we want to go NOE or "stealth" we dont need to rely on "unsecure communications" to do it....
As a final thought if you actually have to talk to your squad about this type of stuff you did a poor job of screening. The 71st, like most large established squads values the reputation and respect we've built in the community. Each member carries the responsibility to maintain and expand that image in a positive way. We're not bashful about telling someone to shape up or ship out on the rare occasions its neccessary.
While the problem does exist and is certainly an issue for some segments of the community the solution actually rests here with the established squads whose sense of honor and fair play often goes back a decade or more over 2 or even more different flight sims.
In closing, there is no real advantage gained by spying. "Finding" a player or mission is usually pretty simple, stopping him/they is a tougher undertaking...after all there are alot of pilots in AH you really dont want to catch.
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What dose this have to do with squads?
Don't quote me on this but people may have more then one account as long as they don't vulch it for score or what have you. Im sure HTC knows people have accounts on different sides and as long as they don't vulch it it's fine. Why would HTC take another source of income away just so people will stop crying about shades and spies.
Im not sure so...
IN
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Humble the reason I posted it here is as you said in your responce, we need to police our own squads as we already do and have no tolerance for spying within our squad members and your description of your squad is the proper example for the squads that don't should follow. Vanscrews responce seems to not discourage this type of foul play, thats how I read it.
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Vans is an outstanding pilot and skilled....but is still a squeeker at heart. It's a different mentality...
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wrong place for this to be posted REGUARDLESS what you think. try reading the forum rules first, then post.
with that said IN :noid
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I read the rules and I don't see where he violated any of them.
No names or squads were mentioned, and he didn't even say spying was cheating, he just stated that the more honorable players are being cheated out of their playing experience.
I couldn't agree more with DCCBOSS, but I am a realist and know that spying will continue, and there is not much that can be done about it.
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are we now recruiting spies ?????
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i dont think this post by DCCBOSS was meant to bash any peticular squad for one, and i also agree with DCCBOSS, as i have witnessed the "spied" missions being torn to pieces, and also agree with Bmwgs, as it does cheat players out of their fun....
Humble: i agree that the larger squads aren't affected by this type of annoyance, as larger squads have the numbers to swat such an attack away, but when some unnamed larger squads (and no im not sayin yours) are the ones with the spy, its harder for a smaller one to sway at, say, the 8000lb gorilla. its not a matter of screening, i am confident there isn't a single unfaithful member of the Rolling Thunder, however, when a known rook with a "squeeker" persona as you say, shows up on our frequented channel, one must wonder about that squad that this character is C.O. of.
no i dont know how this person found our channel, but it isn't the first, nor likely the last time a mission will be announced on channel 200.
Vanscrew: Does that answer your question?
Kilz: Freedom of speech, dude.
1redrum: LOL and is that related?
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New to aces high,,,,,I would bre honnored to be your spy!!!
Just give me your credit card number for my expensives.....no more than $49.95 a week
I a wait your reply,,,,ready and able
Mc
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I think this does belong here. Squads need to be aware of this , as it is a major problem with squad opps. It would be nice if the game afforded us a squad mission only mission planner. But it doesn't. As it is now, you can't use the excellent features like waypoints on a mission in the planner due to little half wits that have to do this. Sad really. We've already had to toss a couple regulars because we caught them spying. This game needs to address this problem somehow imho. Its not a show stopper by any means, but it is a problem none the less.
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Spying in Aces High vs. cheating in this:
(http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7110/electronic20battleship2qz3.jpg)
Same difference. Still wrong.
In.
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Look this is for squads only. Go cry to someone who really cares
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Paranoia will destroy ya. Good grief.:lol
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Originally posted by ALLEN86
Kilz: Freedom of speech, dude.
LMFAO Freedom of speech.
who ever said they read the rules read them again. this forums is ment for squads only FOR SQUADS only. if you are recruiting or starting a new squad post it here this REQUARDLESS WHAT YOU WANT TO THINK IS THE WRONG PLACE FOR THIS POST. try another forum dweeb
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Originally posted by BiPoLaR
Look this is for squads only. Go cry to someone who really cares
and i think BiPoLaR is going for VansCrews title of being in the most squads in AH :D
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just thought i would help the reading pro out here.
this is the first rule on the posted forum rules for AH. posted by Pyro
1- Posts are to be made in the relevant forum. Users are asked to read the forum descriptions before posting.
this is the forum info for squadrons.
Squadrons
Information, recruitment, and announcements about AH squadrons.
incase you dont believe me here is the link to the forum rules
BBS Rules For HTC (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/announcement.php?s=&forumid=11)
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Originally posted by kilz
just thought i would help the reading pro out here.
this is the first rule on the posted forum rules for AH. posted by Pyro
1- Posts are to be made in the relevant forum. Users are asked to read the forum descriptions before posting.
this is the forum info for squadrons.
Squadrons
INFORMATION, recruitment, and announcements about AH squadrons.
funny, im sure we were stating it was the underlined one useful to squads, which is why we posted here....
but good attempt at B.S.ing your way into trying to sound right
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who ever said they read the rules read them again. this forums is ment for squads only FOR SQUADS only. if you are recruiting or starting a new squad post it here this REQUARDLESS WHAT YOU WANT TO THINK IS THE WRONG PLACE FOR THIS POST. try another forum dweeb
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Kilz
Its a matter of prespective, and I believe it is revelant. Since HTC owns the board, let them boot it. Even if they do, I still would not agree.
Read rule 2 since you seem to be so concerned...Sure looks like your highjacking a thread.
If your not interested quit reading this thread.
As for the Squads only, were a squad wheather you like it or not. As for caring what I think, beleve me I have absolutely no interest in your opnion.
I'll be the better man, and not call you any names because I'm an adult........then again I may be posting a text in response to a kid.......what the heck am I doing. I'll stop now.........I don't argue with children....
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Actually this would be an issue internal to a squad, not an issue for this forum. We (71st) are one of the largest in the game and have never had an issue....ever. We dont accept or consider or cultivate relationships with anyone who would even remotely consider that type of action.
On the very rare occasions we allow someone in who doesnt meet our standards we correct the problem or ask them politely to move on. We are an "old school" squad that values are reputation for playing the game with honor and integrity.
If your squad has an issue with cheaters then you should really deal with it internally and review both your selection process and the conduct of your senior members to address why you made poor choices or why new squaddies think that type of behavior is "OK". Dont assume that because you have problems running your squad that others have or tolerate the same issues.
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Actually we have not had a problem in our squad with spys. Its more were having issues with spys that are in other squads, and I will say yours is not one of them.
We are a new squad, and many of us are new members who have become addicted to this game. I wish I would have found out about this game years ago.
We may make mistakes, and I will give credit where credit is due, this may be the wrong forum, but in my opinion, with respect, I think it may be the right place since most of the spys we have encountered have been in squads.
Now like I said in an earlier post, I don't think the problem will be resolved, but it would be nice if more squads took and attitude like your squad does.
One last comment, I know most of the squads in Aces High are honorable squads with honorable members. Over the last four months that I have been a part of this communtiy, I have met many members that I hold in high respect, even ones that shoot me down on a regular basis. When it gets into a name calling issue, then my respect for that person goes straight into the toliet.
Thank for an honorable response.
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I appreciate everyones inputs, however it was not meant for your responses as negative as they seem, it was meant for squad CO's and alike to help participate in this process collectively by simply using common sense on identifying people that are actively CHEATING in this game not only spies.
I could care less how long you have been flying, or if your new, we are all affected by someone trying to CHEAT in this game using codes, spying, or any other means neccesary to get an advantage.
If your not happy about this string,,, dont read it and dont put up your smart #$% remarks.
Simply put, its for SQUAD CO's to read and carry on, adhere or disregard.
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Here lies a fundemental part of the learning curve for some of you...
The game will follow its own dynamics beyond what an individual squad can influence or accomplish. The primary benifit of a squad is in the caliber of people you surround yourself with and the level of enjoyment it gives you.
If those people have a largely common set of values and expectations then the group prospers. Now Dadguns if you were in "my squad" we'd be having a little sitdown right about now since you're clearly stating that the CO and/or XO of a squad is somehow superior and that the individual member is somehow less valuable. This is a poor message for a senior member of a squad to send...
The fact that you feel affected by what is in reality a minor annoyance indicates the growing you have to do. Further I would suggest carefully considering your choice of wording on the following counts...
The linkage of the two "C" words is in poor taste and not acceptable as per BBS rules. The "we" that matters most here is the squad and the 71st (my we) {as well as most established squads} arent affected at all by spying.
The real issue here isnt what you think (especially since you've made it clear that you dont care what others think) given your lack of experience overall and your choice of words. There are a lot of great squads big, small, old and new..with a tremendous depth of leadership. However, the fact that any two week noob can (and sometimes does) create a "squad" and put a magical "CO" tagged to his/her name does not automatically stop that person from being an idiot.
Spies are not a "squad" issue, they are a character issue. Focus on finding people of good character and your squad wont have a problem. You can't control who plays the game...but you can control who you play the game with.
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Humble,
Let me make sure I understand this. Since most of the spys we have encountered are members of establish squads. No, I didn't mentioned that earlier, but I will now, are you saying that members of a squad that spy is not an issue with that squad?
If that is in fact what you are saying, I will differ, because each member of a squad reflects on the entire membership, and in my opnion it is a squad issue. I know that I would not be a member of a squad that utilize spys, and/or shade accounts to gather intel. To me it takes the fun away from the game which is what most of us come here for. That again is my opnion.
At least I think that is what you have been trying to tell us, but then again, in my old age, maybe I am getting a bit dense.
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wow,,, am I missing something here?
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Humble,
I think you are missing the point here....the fundamental part of the learning curve occured when we were 6 years old......we learned the difference between right and wrong.....we learned not to cheat...... spying in this game is cheating, plain and simple........you also reference "" You can't control who plays the game...but you can control who you play the game with."" How? How can I remove a spy from my mission? how can you remove someone from your VOX? you can't........My point is very simple, the cheaters detract from my pleasure, and I would like them removed.....
BirdDog
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If you're not the lead dog.......you know what they say........
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Originally posted by bmwgs
Humble,
Let me make sure I understand this. Since most of the spys we have encountered are members of establish squads. No, I didn't mentioned that earlier, but I will now, are you saying that members of a squad that spy is not an issue with that squad?
If that is in fact what you are saying, I will differ, because each member of a squad reflects on the entire membership, and in my opnion it is a squad issue. I know that I would not be a member of a squad that utilize spys, and/or shade accounts to gather intel. To me it takes the fun away from the game which is what most of us come here for. That again is my opnion.
At least I think that is what you have been trying to tell us, but then again, in my old age, maybe I am getting a bit dense.
If a squad has a "spy" then that is a squad issue internally, and yes that squad has a problem. Thats exactly what I was saying, and a well run squad doesnt have an ongoing spy problem IMO...and I agree with you completely on your following points. All you can do is police your squad and report anything you see to skuzzy...or call out the squad/offender on the General BBS.
Personally I cant think of a single established squad that has spies outside of the "scorepotato" squads and they dont count IMO.
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Birddog the 71st can put up (collectively with our friends) 50 pilots or more almost anytime we choose to set up a sweep and often significantly more. We dont ever have the issues you do. We dont rely on others for "missions" outside of other squads we know and respect. So we dont have the problem your having....just that simple.
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Originally posted by BirdDog1
we learned not to cheat...... spying in this game is cheating, plain and simple
Since when?
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I'm the leader of a squad and totally irresponsible. I'm not even sure what country we're flying for half the time and my guys won't tell me!
Now I'm being told I need to police the activity of the guys in my squad? I'm not even sure where they are half the time....and some are from Texas! How am I supposed to control them!?!
This game is so hard some times........:huh
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if you would do a search on spying you will learn that its not cheating. it is however looked down on by many out of the community.
to call me a kid, lol if it makes you feel better.
thank you to who ever admited to this is the wrong place for this post. if you would have posted this in General Discussion forums you would have gotten alot more crap.
just because the spying was done by someone in a squad does not mean its a issue to be posted in a squad forum that clearly states: Information, recruitment, and announcements about AH squadrons. i guess they should have posted Only after AH squadrons.
someone said it does not matter how long you been playing. well i am sorry but it does, with time in this community you learn how to do things and learn how to respect those that try to help you by telling you wrong place to post this dweeb. it wasnt ment as an insult it was just saying post it some where else.
best bet is to let this post die.
P.S. no one doubted you of having a squad. anyone can have a squad. heck a free 2 weeker can have a squad.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
I'm the leader of a squad and totally irresponsible. I'm not even sure what country we're flying for half the time and my guys won't tell me!
Now I'm being told I need to police the activity of the guys in my squad? I'm not even sure where they are half the time....and some are from Texas! How am I supposed to control them!?!
This game is so hard some times........:huh
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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another thing i noticed was the amount of new members to HTC BBS????? all posting in this forum only?????
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if you would do a search on spying you will learn that its not cheating. it is however looked down on by many out of the community.
Read my posts, I never once said spying was cheating, I only stated spying cheated members out of their playing experience. I do agree that it is looked down on by many members of the community.
to call me a kid, lol if it makes you feel better.
Name calling is an juvenile activity, or adults with juvenile mentality, this has nothing to do with making me feel better. It's just a fact. I have no idea wheather your a child or not, but I can only judge by your text.
thank you to who ever admited to this is the wrong place for this post. if you would have posted this in General Discussion forums you would have gotten alot more crap.
Thanks.... As for the main forum, your right.
just because the spying was done by someone in a squad does not mean its a issue to be posted in a squad forum that clearly states: Information, recruitment, and announcements about AH squadrons. i guess they should have posted Only after AH squadrons.
I still don't agree, but were allowed to have different opnions.
someone said it does not matter how long you been playing. well i am sorry but it does, with time in this community you learn how to do things and learn how to respect those that try to help you by telling you wrong place to post this dweeb. it wasnt ment as an insult it was just saying post it some where else.
So there is a time limit before you understand what is going on. What is this magical time limit. I admit I have only been a member of the community for about 4 months, but I am sure I have it figured out. Not the flying part, but the dynamics. All you have to do it read the forums and watch 200. As for the respect part, when you name call, see my earlier post. See there you go again, name calling is an insult, and nothing more than an insult. You can give advice to a person with out calling them a name. If you would not have resorted to name calling, I probably would have never submitted a second post. Lets say the name calling inspired me to respond.
best bet is to let this post die.
The only time that I totally agree with you, the thread is going no where.
P.S. no one doubted you of having a squad. anyone can have a squad. heck a free 2 weeker can have a squad.
My mistake, I must have misread your response to this.
another thing i noticed was the amount of new members to HTC BBS????? all posting in this forum only?????
New members are not allowed to post? What is the time limit before you can post? I am not a text warrior, so I read the forums far more than I posts. Having being raised long before the invent of PC's I find it eaiser to read than type.
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ANNOUNCEMENT:
Some members have condoned or particpated in "Spying" from all countries, please be a mature and responsable member and put some effort into curtailing this type of activity.
INFORMATION:
Members that spy use "shadow accounts" to change counties for sole purpose of gaining an advantage over their enemy countries, this is due to a lack of thier own strategic abilities, which obviously this game also requires.
RECRUITMENT:
Be advised when recruiting new members to your squads who practice the aformentioned conduct, it should be avoided if possible by all responsible members. :D :D :D
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Some of these Senior members (more than 100 posts) seem to have some type of communication break. Hence the amount of BS they post. Like this one.
I would recommend to you that you take the time to fully read and understand/comprehend a post before you make contradictive statements of your own. It really detracts from you when you dont, and I dont even know who you are.
In your replies you have made it clear that your name calling is acceptable in YOUR SQUAD. If spies is the only thing we need to deal with it will be far easier to find a solution than your disrespect problem of others. Looks like your well oiled machine has some tinkering after all.
Good Luck sir.
DINGS IN YOUR SHINING ARMOR:rofl
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Originally posted by Dadsguns
Some of these Senior members (more than 100 posts) seem to have some type of communication break. Hence the amount of BS they post. Like this one.
I would recommend to you that you take the time to fully read and understand/comprehend a post before you make contradictive statements of your own. It really detracts from you when you dont, and I dont even know who you are.
In your replies you have made it clear that your name calling is acceptable in YOUR SQUAD. If spies is the only thing we need to deal with it will be far easier to find a solution than your disrespect problem of others. Looks like your well oiled machine has some tinkering after all.
Good Luck sir.
DINGS IN YOUR SHINING ARMOR:rofl
A little on the attack side are we. SIMMMMMAAA DOWN cowboy.
If you think my squads is lacking in the respect part, then join us in the DA and see how well my squad upholds its honor of the 173rd.
If you think this is a challenge then you need not to show up. This is more of an invitation to see how my squad is respectful. You might learn something too. That’s what the DA is there for.
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Humble; i do believe YOU need to chose, your words, and perhaps take a closer look at what has been posted.
as i mentioned earlier, a large squad WOULD NOT be affected by a spied mission, as that squad would have strengh in numbers, and be able to deal with it.
Its fantastic that the 71st is so marvelous, we get that point that you people thing youre gods gift to aces high, gettin tired of hearing it.
Not one time was DADSGUNS implying that a CO is above anyone else in a squad, just the one ABLE in our case, to put good strategy and teamwork together, and to take the collective ideas of the squad members and put them to good use. Im not sure where you might have got that idea as i cant see where.
is it so difficult to take what DCCBOSS is saying and regard it as information, and whether it be useful to an individual or not, be glad there are some outstanding members in the community who wish to help other squads, as i have noticed not all readers here are on the same team?
DCCBOSS, WORTHY POST!
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allen no one is doubting the worhtyness of DCCBOSS's post. all is being said is please post this in the right forum.
but enough of that crap. let this forum die.
snapshot bro i know you dont want to keep going with this one, you know what is to come of this post.
good advise to all parties including myself we all let this one get out of hand now just let it die.
my offer still stands for you gents. you are welcomed to join us in the DA tonight.
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Kilz,
I would love to come to the DA and join yall tonight. I am always willing to learn, and I know that you are a pretty good stick, and I'm sure you and a few members of your squad could give me a lashing and teach me a few lessons.
Unfortuntally I am going out with some friends tonight and if I get on, it won't be till late. That will be depending on how much I drink. I do hope this is an open invitation, for I will surely attend on another date.
You are right, its time to let the thread die.
Thanks
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we are in there most days just pop in and you see me or Reapr in there just PM us and we will let you know what channel we are on.
Tell Reapr i had you come in and join up with us
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Originally posted by ALLEN86
Humble; i do believe YOU need to chose, your words, and perhaps take a closer look at what has been posted.
as i mentioned earlier, a large squad WOULD NOT be affected by a spied mission, as that squad would have strengh in numbers, and be able to deal with it.
Its fantastic that the 71st is so marvelous, we get that point that you people thing youre gods gift to aces high, gettin tired of hearing it.
Not one time was DADSGUNS implying that a CO is above anyone else in a squad, just the one ABLE in our case, to put good strategy and teamwork together, and to take the collective ideas of the squad members and put them to good use. Im not sure where you might have got that idea as i cant see where.
is it so difficult to take what DCCBOSS is saying and regard it as information, and whether it be useful to an individual or not, be glad there are some outstanding members in the community who wish to help other squads, as i have noticed not all readers here are on the same team?
DCCBOSS, WORTHY POST!
I have no clue where you get that...
The 71st is one of the most invisable squads in the game. We have no big egos or 200 smack talkers. We dont have a squad night and we only run a few true sweeps a year. How you would get the thought that we are or think we are "...Its fantastic that the 71st is so marvelous, we get that point that you people thing youre gods gift to aces high, gettin tired of hearing it...."
I'm simply letting you know that we (and most other senior squads regardless of size) dont have any "spy" issues. It is simply a very minor annoyance that your making way to much out of. Now why it apparently affects you guys so much might be do to a number of things...
I think you also find that the same you squads that you feel dont "wish to help the community" do far more for the community...
Again just looking at the 71st...
We have multiple guys who spend time helping in the TA
We have many guys who work with guys (not in our squad) in the DA
We have multiple guys who post films in the help section
We have multiple guys who routinely encourage "ride alongs" in the MA
We actively recruit for other squads and try and help former squaddies
we are generally polite,resectful and "honorable" in our actions
This doesnt take anything away from other good squads...
I'm simply telling you that a well run squad doesnt have your problems..nothing more nothing less. Spying is not a squad problem...its a game problem.
Beyond that lests just let this one die....
All the Best and good luck in sorting these issues out in your squad/missions
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Originally posted by kilz
and i think BiPoLaR is going for VansCrews title of being in the most squads in AH :D
Wrong there bud...4 squads in 4 years
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Originally posted by BiPoLaR
Wrong there bud...4 squads in 4 years
well your working on it bro keep up the good work :D just kidding i love giving you chit
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Originally posted by kilz
LMFAO Freedom of speech.
Great avatar, who made that for ya.
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Originally posted by 5PointOh
Great avatar, who made that for ya.
LMFAO i dont know some 2 weeker :rofl
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Ouch!:cry
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"As a final thought if you actually have to talk to your squad about this type of stuff you did a poor job of screening. The 71st, like most large established squads values the reputation and respect we've built in the community. Each member carries the responsibility to maintain and expand that image in a positive way. We're not bashful about telling someone to shape up or ship out on the rare occasions its neccessary."
man, you dont know our squad, so i dont think that u kno about screening, maybe we are talking about WHO is doing it, not us telling them not to do it. So since your squad is sooo "perfect" maybe u could give us some tips????????
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Originally posted by humble
Vans is an outstanding pilot and skilled....but is still a squeeker at heart. It's a different mentality...
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :D