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Title: A "bomber/attack" perk possibility...?
Post by: humble on January 09, 2008, 06:38:27 PM
One of the things I find lacking is the lack of a suitable perk ride for the "attack/bomber" catagory. Personally given the current structue of the game I dont see how a strategic bobmber like the B-29 (or B-32) has any real value in game.

The current FSO scenario is a russian combined arms and I was curious what role the russian A-20's played (the russians flew more A-20's then anyone). I found that they had them modified for torpedo's (X2 but normally just 1) and that many were refitted with the russian 20mmx4 + 2 x 21.7mm MG's {which was the original US spec}.

Given the high usage in combat this would be a good perk ride for those useless bomber perkies IMO. I'd also be curious about possibilities with the mossie and stuka as well....
Title: A "bomber/attack" perk possibility...?
Post by: bushi on January 09, 2008, 09:52:14 PM
We do need something other than 234's to spend bomber perks on. The more planes we get the better.
Title: A "bomber/attack" perk possibility...?
Post by: Ghosth on January 10, 2008, 07:34:57 AM
Absolutely, if I could spend 5 - 15 bomber perks (which are virtually useless) to get 4x20mm loadout for the A20, I'd do it in a FLASH!

Very very good idea, rather than having to model a new plane. Just model a variaent, one with a different ord/gun setup than what we have.

Good post humble!
Title: A "bomber/attack" perk possibility...?
Post by: moot on January 10, 2008, 07:44:47 AM
Pyro's mention of their considering perk loadouts dates back to a few years now...  Has anyone seen any hints of when it would be implemented?
Title: A "bomber/attack" perk possibility...?
Post by: humble on January 10, 2008, 09:09:08 AM
I think we could get 2 or 3 variations with what we have...

I know the Stuka had 37mm or similar tank busters, the germans had all kinds of official mods for alot of planes. I have to believe the 110 had some exotic options as well...

The mossie was more of a fighter so I dont know what attack options it had (and the 110/Mossie's are currently fighter/attack)...

Given the focus on other development this would seem to provide a few "new toys" and good perk use options without the need to fully develope a new plane (Pe-2, A-26 etc)....until time permits later.
Title: Re: A "bomber/attack" perk possibility...?
Post by: MajIssue on January 10, 2008, 02:55:30 PM
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Originally posted by humble
One of the things I find lacking is the lack of a suitable perk ride for the "attack/bomber" catagory. Personally given the current structue of the game I dont see how a strategic bobmber like the B-29 (or B-32) has any real value in game.

The current FSO scenario is a russian combined arms and I was curious what role the russian A-20's played (the russians flew more A-20's then anyone). I found that they had them modified for torpedo's (X2 but normally just 1) and that many were refitted with the russian 20mmx4 + 2 x 21.7mm MG's {which was the original US spec}.

Given the high usage in combat this would be a good perk ride for those useless bomber perkies IMO. I'd also be curious about possibilities with the mossie and stuka as well....


I agree that a perk loadout would be a good thing for the A20, (The GVer in me says please DO NOT make the A20 more lethal). But I disagree on the strat bomber aspect of your post. (the voice is telling me NOT to type this) The B-29 would be a welcome addition to the bomber  fleet as a counter to the 163/262. [my 2 cents]
Title: A "bomber/attack" perk possibility...?
Post by: hubsonfire on January 10, 2008, 03:25:22 PM
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Originally posted by moot
Pyro's mention of their considering perk loadouts dates back to a few years now...  Has anyone seen any hints of when it would be implemented?


I believe that was merely a concept, and not anything that was actually planned. Whether or not it is being develloped, or even considered is an unknown.
Title: A "bomber/attack" perk possibility...?
Post by: humble on January 10, 2008, 04:18:40 PM
If we had meaningful strat targets a B-29 would be great. For example lets say you had the following capabilitys...

You had regional com centers that killed vox in a zone, an ammo factory that would 1/2 ammo loads if hit. An aircraft factory that would locally double ENY if destroyed...and if successfully taking down both enemy HQ's within the alloted time won the war regardless of other factors....then for sure.
Title: A "bomber/attack" perk possibility...?
Post by: 1redrum on January 10, 2008, 04:36:10 PM
there would sure be alot of a20's in the air
Title: A "bomber/attack" perk possibility...?
Post by: Geary420 on January 10, 2008, 05:15:36 PM
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I believe that was merely a concept, and not anything that was actually planned. Whether or not it is being develloped, or even considered is an unknown.


I'm too lazy to look for it, but HT posted on here (quite a while ago) that the reason the CHog didn't get updated was because it would be dropped entirely when the perk ord system came online and become a perk load option for the -1D.  IIRC that was supposed to happen the same time CT dropped so god knows if we'll ever see it or not.
Title: A "bomber/attack" perk possibility...?
Post by: hubsonfire on January 10, 2008, 06:42:09 PM
That was in a readme when the the F4Us were redone, I think.

Here's the thread, for those interested.

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=192234&perpage=25&highlight=perked%20ordnance&pagenumber=2

Read the whole thread before panicking. :aok
Title: A "bomber/attack" perk possibility...?
Post by: hubsonfire on January 10, 2008, 07:46:14 PM
Forgot to mention, this concept would presumably work well for the other Lend Lease aircraft, some of which also replaced Western weaponry with Russian.
Title: A "bomber/attack" perk possibility...?
Post by: bushi on January 10, 2008, 10:20:50 PM
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Originally posted by humble

You had regional com centers that killed vox in a zone


People would just use TS or vent instead, but other stuff is good


more planes please
Title: A "bomber/attack" perk possibility...?
Post by: Gowan on January 12, 2008, 02:04:30 AM
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Originally posted by moot
Pyro's mention of their considering perk loadouts dates back to a few years now...  Has anyone seen any hints of when it would be implemented?


2 weeks
Title: A "bomber/attack" perk possibility...?
Post by: stroker71 on January 13, 2008, 01:43:09 PM
I would like the addition of a cannon option on the A20...would make it even deadlier.  Also I have seen pics on A20g of the 5th Army air force loaded with 4-3 rocket pods on the wings....can we get rockets on the A20?
Title: A "bomber/attack" perk possibility...?
Post by: humble on January 13, 2008, 01:54:46 PM
both the 4x20mm and rocket pods saw limited use. But they were used more then enough to "qualify". The russians actually flw the A-20 more then any allied nation and it was configured with a bunch of options. It carried 2 x torpedo with the bombbay closed and additional fuel tank there. The ground attack ones had 4 x 20mm (russian make) as well as rocket options (no clue if this was in addition or in place of wing bombs)...