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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Shuffler on January 10, 2008, 02:14:58 PM
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This is a shame.... this girl is friends with Tiger Woods and what she said is taken out of context by the "So Called News" (nothing but ad driven reality shows) and of course your weak minded groups following sharpton and the like. Tiger's handlers even say it is a non-issue. When is someone going to stand up to these hate spewing racists like sharpton and his clan.
Linky at Golf.com (http://www.golf.com/golf/tours_news/article/0,28136,1701417,00.html)
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everything you say can and will be used against you in the court of public opinion.
:noid
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Al Sharpton is a racist tool, has been for years.
What more do you expect?
Mac
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I read that yesterday and saw it again today. Someone needs to tell Sharpton to STFU and stop giving him a microphone
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Its disgusting....Just some loud mouthed bigoted POS making an issue of NOTHING.
If Tiger said it was a non issue.....then the rest of them should have STFU....
and that Wuss Channel Golf Channel caves in and suspends her.
Sharpton needs a serious awakening......:mad:
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Originally posted by RedTop
Its disgusting....Just some loud mouthed bigoted POS making an issue of NOTHING.
If Tiger said it was a non issue.....then the rest of them should have STFU....
and that Wuss Channel Golf Channel caves in and suspends her.
Sharpton needs a serious awakening......:mad:
Instead, he will champion this as a victory of some sort. He's a complete waste of oxygen, IMHO.
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Oh he's not done. Trust me he is not finished with this by a long shot. He wants her fired...and will stay on this until he gets is frikin way. A bullet for him is simply a waste of 1.00.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
This is a shame.... this girl is friends with Tiger Woods and what she said is taken out of context by the "So Called News" (nothing but ad driven reality shows) and of course your weak minded groups following sharpton and the like. Tiger's handlers even say it is a non-issue. When is someone going to stand up to these hate spewing racists like sharpton and his clan.
Linky at Golf.com (http://www.golf.com/golf/tours_news/article/0,28136,1701417,00.html)
Political correctness will not allow anyone to say anything to these frikin buttmunchingpossorryazzracist morons.
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Everyone walks around with a chip on their shoulder, looking to be "offended". Tiger was the target of the innocent comment...if he is good with it, screw Al.
Besides, when did lynching become a racist expression. All races have been lynched. I'd wager far more whites have been lynched than blacks.
Hey, what a minute! I AM OFFENDED BY HER ANTI WHITE COMMENTS!
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What a ****ing joke. Bad choice of words, sure. But Kelly and Tiger are pretty good friends. And Tiger has a lot of disdain for most of the media. Not Kelly though. If Tiger respects someone he has a real reason to do so.
I've met her a couple times, she doesn't have a mean or racist bone in her body. Kudos to Tiger for having her back, otherwise she'd probably never call a golf broacast again.
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I heard that dung heap sharpton on the radio on the way to work.
He was saying the word "lynching" means hanging a black.
That is so much BS, anyone can be lynched, I think Joe Smith the founder of the mormons was.
What she said was funny and not in the LEAST racist.
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After reading the article I can see the nature of the comment and the "faux pauh".
Her comment was based on complete and utter respect for tigers abilities because of her first person professional association with him. The "faux pauh" was in using the comment in her professional environment. An emotional brain phart one would say. What she was thinking and what came out were not under her control for just long enough to screw the pooche.
I suspect we have all been in this situation. I can say on this BB amongst fellow AH'ers that for me to beat Stang in the DA I would need all of the Pig's squad to lynch him first. That is honestly how good I beleive Stang to be at AH. But then again in a public setting......
How many of you have been in a meeting at work and what came out of your mouth was not exactly what began in your head...but alas your bosses boss had no reason to understand you like your boss ond co-workers. After all his expectaion of you presupposes that you are the professional he is spending company monies on.
Anyone consider how unique this situation is for the media. Until today I thought all women in the media got a free pass saying anything they want to about men.
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I'd pay good money to watch Imus kick Al Sharptons arse on pay for View, Have Jesse Jackson announce the match and Tawana Brawly carry the Round Cards escorted by the LaCrosse Team.
Not Evil minded here, just Even Minded.
Mac
BTW does Al Sharpton do anything inbetween Politically incorrect Racial overtones?
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The woman is an idiot.
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Bottom line is ....
If Al hadn't "taken up dis cause for da black folk" it wouldn't have gotten an ounce of media attention....
But because Al says so well then....
Golf Channel Boss "OH MY GOD we have to do something....Fire her...thats all we can do ....
Other GC Boss "Nooo..I think we can just suspend her since Tiger said he didn't see anything wrong with what she said."
GCBoss#1 "He'll be after her...I know it...OH MY GOD We're doomed...I'm telling you we're all gonna lose our jobs...and we'll be working back at CBS doing golf for them....WE"RE SCREWED....AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!"
GCboss#2 "Relax...We'll suspend her....and if Al keeps it up we'll offer to fire her....He'll be calm and we'll save our jobs. We all know it was nothing...but Al can be a real pain in that *** ya know...I mean look at Imus....YA know? Lets just let it simmer down....We'll fire the lil tart and she'll be fine doing the View in a year or so."
Sharpton is well on his way to being the GOD OF FREE SPEECH....Assmunch!
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Originally posted by RedTop
Bottom line is ....
If Al hadn't "taken up dis cause for da black folk" it wouldn't have gotten an ounce of media attention....
That was a very ethnocentric statement.
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
Racist
FO!!!!! You don't know me! You know nothing about me or who I am for nothing.....stick a sock in it.
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Originally posted by RedTop
Oh he's not done. Trust me he is not finished with this by a long shot. He wants her fired...and will stay on this until he gets is frikin way. A bullet for him is simply a waste of 1.00.
I'll chip in a buck. It wouldn't be to end his suffering, IT WOULD BE TO END OURS.
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All your comments seem to be based off of your ignorance toward other people's culture.
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Yeah it's really too unpolitically-ethnocentrically incorrect to judge a culture based upon Race, Creed or Religion within this peace loving World.
Mac
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
All your comments seem to be based off of your ignorance toward other people's culture.
I didn't say jack crap about anyones culture...your reading something in to my words....Call Al...you have a good chance at a job with him...Hear and read what ya want....not what was said...take something out of context and spin it to fit your agenda....
You called me a racist then edited it out....Nice try....Like I dsaid...you don't know jackchit about me or anything....but you go on preaching Al Jr.
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That was Easy....
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Originally posted by RedTop
I didn't say jack crap about anyones culture...your reading something in to my words....Call Al...you have a good chance at a job with him...Hear and read what ya want....not what was said...take something out of context and spin it to fit your agenda....
You called me a racist then edited it out....Nice try....Like I dsaid...you don't know jackchit about me or anything....but you go on preaching Al Jr.
Al Jr.:rofl :rofl
I edited it out because I felt it was too harsh. It's not illegal to think the way you do, I was just making an observation. For some reason you think Al Sharpton is right up there with Osama Bin Laden. In your post you wrote,"taken up dis cause for da black folk". Why did you type it that way? Please explain. You and I know Al Sharpton is an educated person who does not talk/write that way.
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Leaving Al aside for a moment.
She opened her mouth and spoke the words on the air. She could have chosen other words knowing she was live on air. She is supposed to be a professional commentator aware of all the nuances of the industry.
She placed her foot in her mouth. As much as I don't like Al's version of extortion, once the shot was fired she lost control of it but is still responsible for the repercutions.
Ooopsy I didn't know it was loaded is no defence or reason for a defence. Everyone white in the media should take out sharpton insurance policies after Imus. Al don't care if you are Liberal, Dem, Rep or your gender. You are white is all that matters to him.
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
Al Jr.:rofl :rofl
I edited it out because I felt it was too harsh. It's not illegal to think the way you do, I was just making an observation. For some reason you think Al Sharpton is right up there with Osama Bin Laden. In your post you wrote,"taken up dis cause for da black folk". Why did you type it that way? Please explain. You and I know Al Sharpton is an educated person who does not talk/write that way.
Well he isn't on the same level as Bin Laden.....But I would say he is one of the sorry people we are subjected to listen to until we can get the channel changed.
I wrote it that way cause I heard it about 6 or 7 times today during a few errands I was running earlier today before work. I happen to be at a store....where some people were standing there talking about this VERY subject. While I was searching for what I wanted....I listened to what they had to say...and those words were the EXACT ones used in referance to how Black People are being abused on TV.
Strange how I was looked at while standing there looking for a battery for a car. Wearing a Golf Shirt and Golf Cap. All of the sudden I felt very out of place like I had said something.....
I'm personally SICK of hearing this kind of race bating B.S. from Al Sharpton and his followers everytime something is said he don't like.
We have FREEDOM of speech here.....until Al don't like it then its Al's way or the unemployment office.
He ain't worth a bullet like I said in my opinion....and I'm free to say it.
BTW...heres a small clip of what was said.....you find this racial?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bim-EPwhGt0
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
Al Jr.:rofl :rofl
I edited it out because I felt it was too harsh. It's not illegal to think the way you do, I was just making an observation. For some reason you think Al Sharpton is right up there with Osama Bin Laden. In your post you wrote,"taken up dis cause for da black folk". Why did you type it that way? Please explain. You and I know Al Sharpton is an educated person who does not talk/write that way.
Why be so stupid.
Your attacks on RT are BS.
He is one of the nicest guys I know.
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Originally posted by RedTop
BTW...heres a small clip of what was said.....you find this racial?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bim-EPwhGt0
I don't think she meant anything by it. However, she should be accountable for what she said. You think she would be more aware of what she says during a live broadcast. It's ultimately up to the Golf Channel if she remains part of their company. She has shed negative light on the golf channel, and they could lose money over this.
Al Sharpton is an activist. His "job" is to bring light to issues he thinks is important (mostly race issues). Whether you agree or disagree with his stance, it's good to see that we are atleast talking about it.
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Originally posted by SuBWaYCH
Why be so stupid.
Your attacks on RT are BS.
He is one of the nicest guys I know.
Attack? Are you kidding me? Subway, being nice has nothing to do with anything. I'm sure RedTop is a good person. Just because you like someone doesn't mean they are automatically right.
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
I don't think she meant anything by it. However, she should be accountable for what she said. You think she would be more aware of what she says during a live broadcast. It's ultimately up to the Golf Channel if she remains part of their company. She has shed negative light on the golf channel, and they could lose money over this.
Al Sharpton is an activist. His "job" is to bring light to issues he thinks is important (mostly race issues). Whether you agree or disagree with his stance, it's good to see that we are atleast talking about it.
Accountable for what she said.....is the issue....She didn't say anything. She used a word....that Al Sharpton jumped on as a black thing. It's not a black thing at all. He just turned it to that. It's B.S. and pratically everytime anyone says something he can latch on to as a black thing he does.
Activist? Well that's one thing to call him.
I see an activist as someone protesting the war....protesting gay marriage...things like that......
Sharpton is a race baiting loud mouth who works the community into a frenzy. Turns things into something that were not really anything nor were they taken to be anything until he speaks.....He's like the E.F. Hutton of Sppech....when he speaks.....everyone listens .......to BS.
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
Attack? Are you kidding me? Subway, being nice has nothing to do with anything. I'm sure RedTop is a good person. Just because you like someone doesn't mean they are automatically right.
That's why you called him a rascist, then turned around and deleted your post, and replaced it with something that wouldn't bring out the PNG stick???
Historically, that HAS NOT been the way to earn respect in here.
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
That's why you called him a rascist, then turned around and deleted your post, and replaced it with something that wouldn't bring out the PNG stick???
Historically, that HAS NOT been the way to earn respect in here.
Did you read what he said? I originally called him a racist, but I thought about it and realized that was too harsh of a term. I thought ethnocentric was a better descriptive word to describe what he said. I have no problem with any of his views. I merely made an observation, that's all.
By the way, I could really care less about 'earning respect' in the forums. Respect IMO is earned in the arenas (I'm sure you guys could argue that one too).
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Almost makes you wonder what Martin Luther King would say of these racial "oppritunists" that claim to speak for his cause, eh?
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lynch /lɪntʃ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[linch] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object) to put to death, esp. by hanging, by mob action and without legal authority.
What is racial about the word lynch? Anyone can be lynched it is not a racially derogatory term.
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Think of it this way...
Had the lady been speaking about Phil Mickelson would this have been an issue for Al Sharpton????
Answer: NO.
It is a non-issue only made into one by Sharpton.
Did he even ask Woods how he felt about this comment prior to jumping in??
We know the answer to that dont we.
He is not being a "activist" ,he is not defending anything other than his own 15 minutes of fame, which has long since been used up.
Go dig yourself a hole and jump in it Al.
C-Ya.
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The media made their bed now they can lie in it.
they have created or.. been created by the twentyfo kind of PC racists. they deserve to walk on eggs and be fired for every misstep..
They deserve to have people tune em out.
Having said all that my opinion is that of all the people who have posted... the one who is the most racist appearing to me is twentyfo. I would not want to be around such a person.. he is either brainwashed and incapable of thinking for himself or.. playing some silly racist blame game that does nothing but harm or both.
lazs
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
Did you read what he said? I originally called him a racist, but I thought about it and realized that was too harsh of a term. I thought ethnocentric was a better descriptive word to describe what he said. I have no problem with any of his views. I merely made an observation, that's all.
By the way, I could really care less about 'earning respect' in the forums. Respect IMO is earned in the arenas (I'm sure you guys could argue that one too).
The word Respect in a thread about Al SHarpton don't go together. I'm not racist...I'm just gonna bow down to the politically correct mob anymore.
Black people talk that way at times in some places....If I could type redneck I'd type redneck when speaking about rednecks....AND I AM one so I been told. I'm not going to be told what I can say anymore....and I'll talk like I want to.
I may get PNG'ed sometime...but thats skuzzy's right here.
TwentyFo....hmmm....that would be what...Twenty Four?
LYNCHMOB.....You must struggle with that word in your squad name....I feel for ya....such a harsh word for you to be assosiated with.
Maybe I'll just make it an issue here.....Kind of like Al did for a comment made by a woman who under no circumstances meant anything...yet has to apologise for it and is possibly going to lose her job.
You may say here that you don't have a "problem" with my views....Thats cool....But your defending something that shouldn't even be an issue.
Cya
Always your....
Disrespectful Non-respected Rascist
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I've always hated Racism, I believe 100% it still exists today with KKK and nazi groups running around, but every little thing does NOT point to racism. I'm Hungarian aka half arab. Any idea how many times I get my bags checked at the airport? lol I couldn't count that high.
Just sad when people use racism as an excuse to get away with things, She wasn't trying to be racist, just chose the wrong words, in television and media today, you can't say anything without getting fired upon.
Kinda like pulling out the "Score" Card in Aces High, Racism should be left in the history books.
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Originally posted by lazs2
The media made their bed now they can lie in it.
they have created or.. been created by the twentyfo kind of PC racists. they deserve to walk on eggs and be fired for every misstep..
They deserve to have people tune em out.
Having said all that my opinion is that of all the people who have posted... the one who is the most racist appearing to me is twentyfo. I would not want to be around such a person.. he is either brainwashed and incapable of thinking for himself or.. playing some silly racist blame game that does nothing but harm or both.
lazs
Never said anyone should be fired. Other than that, I don't see any point in defending myself against such a stupid comment. You're an idiot.:aok
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Originally posted by RedTop
Black people talk that way at times in some places....If I could type redneck I'd type redneck when speaking about rednecks....AND I AM one so I been told. I'm not going to be told what I can say anymore....and I'll talk like I want to.
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The only problem I have with anything you've written on here is how you've written them. Trying to type the way you think black people talk is ignorant. Don't come in here and think that you can say anything you want, obviously I/we can't. We forfeit most of our first amendment rights as soon as we agree to the rules in the forum.
As far as my name goes, I used to be 24477. Everyone called me two four or twentyfo. TwentyFo seemed to roll better off the tongue. I love my name, and will not change it anytime soon. BTW my squad is fine with my name.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Almost makes you wonder what Martin Luther King would say of these racial "oppritunists" that claim to speak for his cause, eh?
I'm sure MLK rolls over in his grave every time one of those loudmouths tries to say they are carrying on his work. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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Originally posted by lazs2
The media made their bed now they can lie in it.
they have created or.. been created by the twentyfo kind of PC racists. they deserve to walk on eggs and be fired for every misstep..
They deserve to have people tune em out.
Having said all that my opinion is that of all the people who have posted... the one who is the most racist appearing to me is twentyfo. I would not want to be around such a person.. he is either brainwashed and incapable of thinking for himself or.. playing some silly racist blame game that does nothing but harm or both.
Racism against whites is far more predominant now than that against blacks. Why do I say that? A black man can say anything he wants about a white man, but if a white man dares say anything back, he's suddenly a "hatemonger" and a "racist."
Every time I look for a new job, I am discriminated against because I am white. Employers here are required to hire a certain number of black workers, which means that white workers are being turned down for jobs because they are white.
"Keeping da black man down"? I don't think so. This is 2008. It's the other way around, actually. People like "Reverend" Sharpton, as noted, attacks white people because they're white, not because they hate black people. He just usually can't attack without some sort of an excuse, so he jumps at whatever pretense he can fabricate. See the original post. Yes, Sharpton's the racist one. And people like Twentyfo, by supporting Sharpton, are little better.
The truly revolting thing is that people of both races who care nothing about race often are trampled over by the crusaders on both sides.
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
Al Jr.
You and I know Al Sharpton is an educated person who does not talk/write that way.
you must be kidding?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0GraZT3YaQ
The black/white thing in the US is a dead horse. Both sides are entrenched in misunderstanding, misconceptions, miscommunications, and more or less equal parts of people who care with good intentions, and others with bad intentions, and people who don't care stuck in the middle.. It's a big cluster**** of nonsense.
I worked for an uncle once, at his Phoenix fleamarket shop as replacement for a no-show employee. That uncle is korean.
One day, a client is looking thru the merchandise (luggage mostly), and looks pretty interested. He inquires about a few prices and I call my uncle to handle the haggling... and he's obviously turned off because of the cultural differences.. He obviously disliked my uncle, who was very much in Korean tradition. Like the Korean guy in Lost. The customer is black. This was typical, in my experience. I got the same **** from blacks who thought I was just another latino.
My uncle goes to answer another customer while the first one sticks around trying to figure out whether to buy the damn luggage or not. We start talking, and as he's winding down the conversation to leave (obviously decided not to buy anything even if he needs it) he finds out I'm partly from somewhere not that far from Africa.
He says: "So you're partly black huh? I'm going to buy this after all, just for that."
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One of the fine contributions of AL, but I didn’t see him get “fired”. I guess when you mooch off the backs of those you claim to want to help, you can’t get fired. I guess when you a black man all you have to do is apologies and all is forgiven.
Freddie's Fashion Mart
In 1995, Sharpton led a protest in Harlem against the plans of a black Pentecostal Church, the United House of Prayer, which owned the retail property on 125th Street to ask Fred Harari, the Jewish tenant who operated Freddie's Fashion Mart to evict his longtime subtenant, a black record store, The Record Shack. Sharpton told the protesters, "We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business." On 1995-12-08, Roland J. Smith Jr., one of the protesters, entered the store with a gun and flammable liquid, shot several Jewish customers and employees inside the store and burned it down. He killed seven in the store, and himself. Sharpton claimed that the perpetrator was an open critic of himself and his nonviolent tactics. Sharpton later expressed regret for making the racial remark, "white interloper," and denied responsibility for inflaming or provoking the violence.
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Originally posted by Adonai
I've always hated Racism, I believe 100% it still exists today with KKK and nazi groups running around, but every little thing does NOT point to racism. I'm Hungarian aka half arab. Any idea how many times I get my bags checked at the airport? lol I couldn't count that high.
Just sad when people use racism as an excuse to get away with things, She wasn't trying to be racist, just chose the wrong words, in television and media today, you can't say anything without getting fired upon.
Kinda like pulling out the "Score" Card in Aces High, Racism should be left in the history books.
The only reason she "Chose" the wrong word is cause Al says she did. It wasn't wrong.....he made it that way. The pundants jump on his bandwagon and all of the sudden its a huge deal. Golf Channel caved in to the pr*** and its one more media outlet I have lost respect for.
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twentyfo.. you are the one who said he was making fun of "black culture"... now.. if you are going to say that ignorant negros do not sound as he was saying they do then it is impossible to talk to you as you are not based in reality and/or have no sense of humor.
white people get made fun of all the time.. why shouldn't negros or asians or mexicans.. why should it be hands off for one race? is that not racism?
lazs
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She's a big girl. If she's gonna say things that she knows will incite anger, she can either close her mouth or take the heat that follows.
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Originally posted by texasmom
She's a big girl. If she's gonna say things that she knows will incite anger, she can either close her mouth or take the heat that follows.
That is the point... she said nothing to incite anger...
The one inciting anger is an ignorant individual leading the blind.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
That is the point... she said nothing to incite anger...
The one inciting anger is an ignorant individual leading the blind.
But that's all a matter of opinion. Something that wouldn't incite you to anger doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't incite someone else to anger.
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Originally posted by texasmom
But that's all a matter of opinion. Something that wouldn't incite you to anger doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't incite someone else to anger.
Good point....
But Big Al seems to find anger when he wants....not when its always needed. He's cherry pickin....Inciting anger. Working people into a frenzy. Strange how you never hear any thing substantial out of his mouth other than griping about what someone else says. Most of the time it's said in an out of the way no harm meant way.
Anyone who thinks Al Sharpton is the Champion for some big Civil Rights movement is just a sheep.....a Sheep following a wolf in my opinion.
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Originally posted by texasmom
But that's all a matter of opinion. Something that wouldn't incite you to anger doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't incite someone else to anger.
So in that case the anouncers should sit still and stay quiet so as not to say something that may be turned into a death causing riot by an ignorant individual.
Personally I live in America land of the free..... what I say in no way hurts anyone..... if someone is so thin skinned as to be hurt by words all I can say is toughen up buttercup!
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Yeah, Al's a real putz.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Personally I live in America land of the free..... what I say in no way hurts anyone..... if someone is so thin skinned as to be hurt by words all I can say is toughen up buttercup!
That's right. So she can toughen up buttercup too... regardless of whether her intent was to be hurtful or not.
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She's not complaining...... it's the ignorant Al.....
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Mom,
The point is....why was this even an issue?
Robert Byrd...KKK memeber...Senator....and used the "N" word during a speech. Still a Senator.
Trent Lott pays an old man a compliment....Ran out on a rail.
Don Imus....Uses words that are EVERYDAY words used in a ceatin community.....Fired...Made to bow down and the alter of Al.....Because Al made it a big deal.
The VERY person the word was used about says it's a non issue....Nope..not good enuff for Al....Announcer suspeneded.
And NOW.....The Clintons are on the defensive and are having to do damage control for saying something that AL thinks is racially charged.
The very president that a certain community EMBRACED as thioer own....now turning on them because Al says so.
It's not racial words.....its words turned racial by a bigot.
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Originally posted by texasmom
Yeah, Al's a real putz.
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Originally posted by lazs2
twentyfo.. you are the one who said he was making fun of "black culture"... now.. if you are going to say that ignorant negros do not sound as he was saying they do then it is impossible to talk to you as you are not based in reality and/or have no sense of humor.
white people get made fun of all the time.. why shouldn't negros or asians or mexicans.. why should it be hands off for one race? is that not racism?
lazs
My point exactly laz2....listen to the way you phrase your sentences. Who refers to African Americans as Negroes anymore? It is not a derogatory term, but rather a term that reflects how out of touch with reality you are. How about this, go up to any African American and call them a Negro...see what happens. It's 2008, not the 60's for god sake.
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what would you call a white person from south africa living in the USA? a African American? What about someone from Morocco? What about an Egyptian?
I of course refer to myself as a Euro-American.
but negros call me redneck.
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Originally posted by john9001
what would you call a white person from south africa living in the USA? a African American? What about someone from Morocco? What about an Egyptian?
I of course refer to myself as a Euro-American.
but negros call me redneck.
You know, it's funny. Ebonics' was made an official language during the Clinton years, and they drop the N-bomb all the time, as often as Real english uses pronouns. It's an essential part of the language, it seems.
But they don't want you to speak it. It's like trying to speak spanish and order at a mexican resteraunt, and a white man can't order a Burrito because it's offensive coming from him...But They can call it that on the other side of the counter, and in the back of the kitchen. It's forcible exclusion of a cultural item, one that actually generates racism. If you want true equality, then dammit, be equal. Speak the same language as those around you. Work and live by the standards' that everyone else has to. Don't cry and whimper and whine about the way things were before you were born, If you want things' to be better today.
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Now here is an even more telling vid. where the Reverand AL speaks.....
HE says that this is a strictly racial word? HorseFincrap. HE makes it that way...and then...tries his dead level best to come up with 2 other examples....using EXTREME types to justify what he sees as oh so offensive.
THen declares that what people say should have consoquences and people should ALL be held accountable for what they say. Except him of course.
"We're going to meet with them and discuss what we think"
How anyone....can sit and listen to what she said in the context of what they were talkinig about and come to the same conclusion as that backalley bigoted POS....I don't understand.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8ugYbCIbHZs
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
My point exactly laz2....listen to the way you phrase your sentences. Who refers to African Americans as Negroes anymore? It is not a derogatory term, but rather a term that reflects how out of touch with reality you are. How about this, go up to any African American and call them a Negro...see what happens. It's 2008, not the 60's for god sake.
TwentyFo,
Where were you born? I was born in French Morrocco. That is a country on the continent of AFRICA. I am white. I am the only "African American" in this thread.
So how do you want to handle this? My white fathers people on Sand Mountain Alabama were brought from Wales as white chained slaves of the British Crown in the early 1700's. They worked alongside blacks in the feilds to gain their freedom. It is only since the 1970's that the last of my family stopped renting land or residences and started owning thier own. My father picked cotton with his share cropper kin until he was 16 and bought his first pair of shoes to walk of the mountain and join the Army Airforce in 1948. Seems the white man owes me some to.
Al Sharpton is a Balck rascist and a race monger who uses race to make millions on the backs of all races in the United States.
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Originally posted by bustr
TwentyFo,
Where were you born? I was born in French Morrocco. That is a country on the continent of AFRICA. I am white. I am the only "African American" in this thread.
So how do you want to handle this? My white fathers people on Sand Mountain Alabama were brought from Wales as white chained slaves of the British Crown in the early 1700's. They worked alongside blacks in the feilds to gain their freedom. It is only since the 1970's that the last of my family stopped renting land or residences and started owning thier own. My father picked cotton with his share cropper kin until he was 16 and bought his first pair of shoes to walk of the mountain and join the Army Airforce in 1948. Seems the white man owes me some to.
Al Sharpton is a Balck rascist and a race monger who uses race to make millions on the backs of all races in the United States.
Congrats...u were born in Africa. :huh
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
My point exactly laz2....listen to the way you phrase your sentences. Who refers to African Americans as Negroes anymore? It is not a derogatory term, but rather a term that reflects how out of touch with reality you are. How about this, go up to any African American and call them a Negro...see what happens. It's 2008, not the 60's for god sake.
Is "colored folk" acceptable?
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
Congrats...u were born in Africa. :huh
What happened to schooling Laz in his unconcious racisist language?
Yes I was born in africa and I am an African American. Now where were you born? I'm the only person here who can claim african american authenticity based on the dark continent under my bum when my Bohemian ancestry white bread mammy popped me out on the ground. Isin't that the end all of the black race card gold standard, being african decent? I'm 100% african in real time, as opposed to 400 year removed americans who happen to have dark skin. I'm white and can claim my ancesters were white slaves of the British Crown and wore chains.
Tiger Woods mother is not black. Isn't she asian? Al Sharpton is no different than carpet baggers in 1866 or the KKK there after. Extrotionists, theives, murderes and race baiting manipulators.
So what race are you? I'm African American! And I'm 100% White............ I can tell everyone the race scam is over because I'm an African American. All you nice white people...ignore people like Al and twentyfo....you have my permission as an authentice african american and decendant of slaves.
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What was the name of the town where a bunch of colored kids, or what ever word is PC these days, put a beating on some white kid and Rev. Al Sharpton got a hard on.
Sharpton is more racist than those he accuses of being racist.
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well... I knew 2 african-americans in my life so far and both were white.
I call negros I know negro all the time. I admit that I know very few and one was so offended that he won't talk to me anymore.. I do not feel the loss.
NAACP seems to think that "colored" is acceptable. I do too.
I will not call them africanamericans it is not accurate and it is silly. Black works but this seems very racist.
I have heard that the acceptable term today is "melinen superior" and that racists like acefire guy with the racist slave term "africanamerican" will be punished.
mostly tho.. I don't give a crap if they like it or not.
lazs
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Colored and Negro is an unacceptable term for Black People/African Americans. You guys need to get out of the 1960's. So far we have 2 geniuses roaming this thread, laz2 and MiloMorai. It's totally fine, it's not illegal to be that smart. What made you guys the way you are?
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Only in English buddy. In spanish and other languages it's just fine. It's only in English that you've got the slavery conotations still ringing to this day... What is the medium of that resonance?
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
Colored and Negro is an unacceptable term for Black People/African Americans.
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You need to check in with the mothership.
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
Colored and Negro is an unacceptable term for Black People/African Americans. You guys need to get out of the 1960's. So far we have 2 geniuses roaming this thread, laz2 and MiloMorai. It's totally fine, it's not illegal to be that smart. What made you guys the way you are?
Are you black?
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wouldn't calling someone a black person be pretty bad? They most certainly are not "africanamericans" since not a one I have ever seen is from africa... I can trace my grandfather to Scotland but they have to go back 10 generations to find "africa" and the truth is.. they don't want to go back to africa any more than I want to go back to Scotland but...
I at least have been to Scotland..
twentyfo.. I say negro to whoever I want.. I use the other N word too (not here because of the rules) ..
you sound like someone who is afraid of negros. I am not.... don't threaten me with how badass all the negros are. And no.. I would not say anything to a group of gangbangers no matter what. But individuals? LOL.. ok get mad and threaten to hit me.. we will see how it goes.
the way I see it is if someone is so sensitive that words set em off then I don't need to be around em so... they are welcome to islolate themselves from society.. they are not hurting me in the least.. I am doing fine.
lazs
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Originally posted by texasmom
She's a big girl. If she's gonna say things that she knows will incite anger, she can either close her mouth or take the heat that follows.
Originally posted by texasmom
That's right. So she can toughen up buttercup too... regardless of whether her intent was to be hurtful or not.
So, let me get this straight . . . You are blaming the victim?
I know I will get in trouble for this, but please understand the point I am trying to make. Your way of thinking is the same kind as the following:
Originally posted by texasmom
She's a big girl. If she's gonna wear things that she knows will incite arousal in a man, she can either wear something else or take the heat that follows.
That's right. So she can toughen up buttercup too... regardless of whether her intent was to be attractive or not.
I thought about replacing the word "heat" as well, but that might be going too far. The point -- you are advocating changing behavior that is acceptable by any normal standards just because there are a couple of crazies out there that might turn it into something it isn't.
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
Colored and Negro is an unacceptable term for Black People/African Americans.
United Negro College Fund??????????
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a mind is a terrible thing.
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
Colored and Negro is an unacceptable term for Black People/African Americans. You guys need to get out of the 1960's. So far we have 2 geniuses roaming this thread, laz2 and MiloMorai. It's totally fine, it's not illegal to be that smart. What made you guys the way you are?
Guess you stopped reading after you saw colored, so here it is again "or what ever word is PC these days".
I don't know what word is PC these days. It is the least offensive word I could think of.
Just for I will call them AAs from now on.
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Originally posted by rpm
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You need to check in with the mothership.
PWND:rofl
Something else we callem here is Democrats.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Are you black?
And if you aren't, are you a wanna be, baseball-cap sideways wearing wanna be (crosses arms menacingly) :)
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Originally posted by LePaul
And if you aren't, are you a wanna be, baseball-cap sideways wearing wanna be (crosses arms menacingly) :)
Le Paul and Steve, what does it matter? No matter what race I am the stances I take will be the same.
Things learned in this thread:
1.) Laz2 is a racist, I'm glad he stepped up to the plate. Once again its not illegal. Probably because his daughter married a black guy or something :rofl .
2.) Most of your guys' thinking is the same as it was during the 60's.
3.) None of our opinions will change.
4.) No.....we can't all get along :aok
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My post was intended merely as humor. That's all. Levity seemed to be needed :)
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twentyfo,
It's been my experience that people schooling others based on the new age PC subconcious racism criterion are racist in the same way russian political commizars were during the communist era. That you need to school people anytime you decide racisms ugly head has risen up makes you the same as Al Shrpton, Jessie Jackson, and the grand father and father of PC Socialist and Marxist thought control Lenin and Geobbels.
Go peddel your PC marxist word control to someone as rediculous as yourself. Laz is not a racist, you are.....Laz has been more honest than you.. But then all of the men I have equated you to are master liers and peddelers of human misery via control of the language...what country were you born in and what race are you? Or are you as most hickin phit marxist PC wanna be's an Internet cow with a word.................?
Lenin said: control the language and you control what the people think
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
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TwentyFo
**THE LYNCHMOB** XO
Irony??
wrngway
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TwentyFo the reason all but the most over sophisticated PC words are still "racist" in common US english is because of people like you, who can't recognize racist ideology for the bull**** it is, who are still chomping at the bit of issues decades past, who can't face real present issues without mirroring and perpetuating the issues, i.e.becoming your enemy / "reverse-racism".
There may be racism going on, but as long as you play the victim card and give the racist ideology any credit at all, even the credit of it having the tiniest pertinence to anything, you are keeping it alive.
I know this myself because I grew up in racist parts of europe, have had to deal with racist classmates, teachers, neighbours, politicians, and all-out skinheads in the street. So long as you keep victimizing yourself instead of carrying on, focused on what really matters, you are like the guy that steps in dog**** every day, on the same spot, and still complains about it and/or refuses to step a few inches sideways "because the **** isn't worthy of my stepping aside".
Doing that, you're just entrenching yourself in a big **** slinging fest that hasn't gone anywhere in centuries..
Lazs isn't racist, tho he probably used to be. Lazs just points out that most of "black culture" is based on a self-pity and resentment for US slavery, and as such is racist itself...
You don't find that lingering resentment in African cultures. It needs to wash out the same way slavery was done away with.
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Originally posted by bustr
Go peddel your PC marxist word control to someone as rediculous as yourself. Laz is not a racist, you are.....Laz has been more honest than you.. But then all of the men I have equated you to are master liers and peddelers of human misery via control of the language...what country were you born in and what race are you? Or are you as most hickin phit marxist PC wanna be's an Internet cow with a word.................?
Lenin said: control the language and you control what the people think
Laz uses the "N" word, now if that's not racist then I don't know what is. Word control? There is a time and a place for everything. Insulting others to make a point is ridiculous. How am I supposed to take someone seriously that insults me? It makes me sick to hear people use bigotry to make a point.
You go to any college or university and refer to Black people as the "N" word, colored people, or Negro...you will get corrected and asked not to refer to them that way. I was raised not to say any of those words and I also find it extremely offensive. What ever happened to being respectful to others and tolerant of other people's culture?
Bustr, as soon as we create an account we forfeit most of our rights. This is a monitored forum in which full freedom of speech is prohibited. If you're so concerned about controlling the language, then make your own forum where anything goes.
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
and I also find it extremely offensive.
Your real problem right there.. You make yourself offended and blame someone else for it. It's you that gets yourself offended, not (e.g.) Lazs' words.
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Originally posted by moot
Lazs isn't racist, tho he probably used to be. Lazs just points out that most of "black culture" is based on a self-pity and resentment for US slavery, and as such is racist itself...
You don't find that lingering resentment in African cultures. It needs to wash out the same way slavery was done away with.
That's right, just forget about the past and just live life. I'm sorry but I know people that lived during the 60's, tell them to forget what they witnessed. Tell them to forget their brother or sister being strung up from a tree for the color of their skin. It's only been 40 years....the scars of suffering still exist. 400 years of oppression doesn't go away in a few years.
I can't stand to hear people say that racism has been done away with and should no longer be talked about. It's a part of the history of the U.S., it's so important we continue to educate the good and bad things that happened in our country.
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It hasn't been done away with so long as you pretend you're stuck in the past. It's as if you said Germans are Nazis today, still.
My grandpa did both world wars, some second family of mine got put through the nazi death camps, my father got the racist treatment all along his studies and career... I got it too as I grew up.
What do I have to gain from ringing the sufferance bell to no end, weeping past pains that are in fact self-inflicted?
That's right, you only feel as much pain as you allow, yourself. If you are doing the right thing, you should feel no pain. Nevermind "feeling" pain when someone says a magic word... How does that work? Does he have telepathic powers to flick on the switch labeled "pain"? That's a load of horse****.
The whole 400 years oppression and just 40 years ago is just statistical appeals. The same way You go to any college or university and refer to Black people as the "N" word, colored people, or Negro...you will get corrected and asked not to refer to them that way.
could be an appeal to ridicule or popularity, or tradition. None of these are rational.
It's not that it shouldn't be talked about.. The Germans still talk about the Nazi era (in fact almost obsessively), but you don't see them or anyone else in the world systematicaly shaping their perspective to be opposite the Nazi point of view. If you really do not care about something, if you're truly indifferent to it, you don't even account for it. You don't polarize yourself to it.
But that's what you're doing, you're keeping everyone in a mindset that's dated and obsolete. It's not the 60s indeed! Stop acting like it is. Slavery is over, racists have no rhetorical authority whatsoever, and mimicking them in a mirror counter-racism racism isn't going to help at all. It isn't a "good thing that's happening in our country", it's a self-inflicted stigma.
"Scars and suffering" :lol What do you do, cry every morning? Should "white people" (e.g. Bustr, right??) flagellate themselves every day to balance out today's "scars and suffering" supposedly born by people decades later?
Lighten up.
That's right, just forget about the past and just live life.
Yep, that's exactly it. Move on. Living well is the best revenge. Carrying on suspicions and self-fulfiling prophecies isn't.
Where would I be today if I had stopped to contradict and refute every single racist and bigot I'd run into? I'd be nowhere. I'd never have made the top of almost every single class I got in, I'd never have skipped two grades, I'd never had the lucidity to just ignore the ****in racist teachers grading me down despite handing in the very best homework and research (sometimes in the whole school), I'd never have enjoyed going out with girls of every creed and race, never have grown out of the racism-tropic mindset.. I'd never have been everything I could be, and instead would have been no more than allowed by a centrism to the bull**** that is racist bigotry.
Nevermind if I'd stopped and :cry everytime someone said something nasty about me...
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People are still affected by what has happened in the past. Experiences in life shape the way we are as people.
Why do you think Israel was created? In part to never have to face another Holocaust. They don't take crap from anybody anymore.
I agree that life does go on, but I think that we must remember the past to ensure that it never happens again. When I mentioned suffering, I was talking about some of the older Americans who really went through some hard times during the pre-civil rights era.
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Oh yeah? So ****in what? I had skinheads rape an arab girl in front of me, trying to make me **** my pants because they supposed I was arab.. I had French (white) people trying to make a living selling peanuts in the subway get their peanut stand (a cheapo stamped metal and plastic folding table and hand written cardboard signs) get their **** stolen and tossed into the train tracks.. I had friends of mine beaten bloody for being too tanned. Sometimes I ran away like a chicken ****, sometimes I stood and fought. I can easily tell you which one of the two is better. Don't even try telling me I don't know what it's like to face that sort of adversity.
It's the same bull**** anywhere you go. The racism thing just works for the same reason some guys will feel a house of cards crumbling down inside their gut when a pretty chick tells em they're butt ugly dogfaced courtisans.. Like they got their nads stepped on.
People who can't get over the past are STUCK in the past. They're no authority on the present, because they refuse the present. They refuse that today is a new day, that every moment that passes is theirs to make anything from.
Experience doesn't determine who you are and what you do, YOU do. Saying you went thru **** and therefore can't BE more than **** is wrong and the first step to actualy becoming ****. If experience in life is the first and foremost force deciding who you are what what you do, then your life is nothing but a coincidence, then free will doesn't exist, and your life is none of your own doing.
That Israel analogy doesn't work. It has nothing to do with what Black americans' situation.
If you live through adversity and refuse to be made stronger by it, then you are consciously digging your own hole.. and it's no one else's fault.
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And something else, too.. I am getting the impression that you would refuse to admit something that made sense unless the person telling it to you had "been through" everything you decry.
That's BS too. I'm not trying to offend you, nor attack you, I'm just being completely frank. It's BS because if something makes sense, it makes sense regardless of who says it.
It's BS to denounce unjust discrimination, and then unjustly discriminate who is recognized as telling the truth and who is not, based on (e.g.) whether they're white or black or brown or yellow, or whether they're the right color AND have lived through racist injustice. That's a biased criteria.
The only truth is reason.
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Shows you how classy of a guy Tiger is..and how much of a blathering race mongering idiot Sharpton is.
But you would also have to be an out of touch idiot to say what she did.
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Next time some AA says 'white man' or any of the other words they use to describe a Caucasian, I am yelling racism.
It will fall on deaf ears though because only AAs can play the racism card.
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The Rev. Al Sharpton is a chump, who exploits his own race for notoriety.
my .02
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twentyfo.. I believe that I am less of a racist than you are.. I bet more than a few here see that too.
I use whatever words I want. My girfriend and friends get called greaser and taco bender and whatever whenever I think it would be funny or.. fit the situation. Other friends get called spick or portagee... whatever... It is only a big deal because you and your ilk are dumb enough to make it one. Toughen up a little there youngster.
Are you telling me that there are no negros for whom the "N" word does not fit? does not best describe their behavior at the time.
You are a tool. The worst person to me tho is the wigger type. In person... I would probly just shake my head and laugh at you and your strange view of life.. mostly.. I would just avoid you tho so as to not make you cry.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Are you telling me that there are no negros for whom the "N" word does not fit? does not best describe their behavior at the time.
lazs
If you were talking to a evolutionalist,he would tell you there are 3 species of Homosapiens(Black,Asian & White)
Blacks are Negroid...(I think that is more appropriate than the N-bomb.)
Asians are Mongoloid..
I forget what whites are called.
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Originally posted by lazs2
twentyfo.. I believe that I am less of a racist than you are.. I bet more than a few here see that too.
I use whatever words I want. My girfriend and friends get called greaser and taco bender and whatever whenever I think it would be funny or.. fit the situation. Other friends get called spick or portagee... whatever... It is only a big deal because you and your ilk are dumb enough to make it one. Toughen up a little there youngster.
Are you telling me that there are no negros for whom the "N" word does not fit? does not best describe their behavior at the time.
You are a tool. The worst person to me tho is the wigger type. In person... I would probly just shake my head and laugh at you and your strange view of life.. mostly.. I would just avoid you tho so as to not make you cry.
lazs
Just because you get called a name doesn't make it right to do the same thing to others. Whatever happened to being the bigger man? There is no reason to us the "N" word no matter what race you are. There are plenty of other words that could be used.
My view on life has rarely been criticized. Most of my friends and most people in Nebraska differ from me politically. However, I have never met a person like you...ever. I personally enjoy stirring the pot and getting a conversation started.
I have no idea why some of you think that I am the racist one. I believe that all people are created equal, and I try my hardest not to prejudge anyone based on their race. I look at everyone as a potential friend. Can you say the same? I come from a very diverse background, so on some issues I am able to see both sides.
Obviously, AH appeals to a different demographic than mine. It is weird, especially looking at the O'Club, to see how many narrow minded views I have come across.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
If you were talking to a evolutionalist,he would tell you there are 3 species of Homosapiens(Black,Asian & White)
Blacks are Negroid...(I think that is more appropriate than the N-bomb.)
Asians are Mongoloid..
I forget what whites are called.
Caucasian, or Caucasoid.
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
I have no idea why some of you think that I am the racist one. I believe that all people are created equal, and I try my hardest not to prejudge anyone based on their race. I look at everyone as a potential friend. Can you say the same? I come from a very diverse background, so on some issues I am able to see both sides.
The fact you would accuse someone who has not uttered a racist epithet as being "insensitive" shows that race is at the forefront of your thinking, not theirs.
The fact you have to remind yourself to "try your hardest not to prejudge anyone based on race" shows that you have to fight against your pre-disposition to judge based on race.
Generally I find the people who are constantly decrying "racism" to be the most racist people of all. They assume any casual reference must be racist and insulting, because they themselves are placing their own racist views as the motivation behind the phrase.
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Originally posted by E25280
The fact you have to remind yourself to "try your hardest not to prejudge anyone based on race" shows that you have to fight against your pre-disposition to judge based on race.
Generally I find the people who are constantly decrying "racism" to be the most racist people of all. They assume any casual reference must be racist and insulting, because they themselves are placing their own racist views as the motivation behind the phrase.
That is one of the most ridiculous comments I have heard on this thread. I know who I am.
The fact that I said I try my hardest not to predjudge anyone based on their race is basically saying that I am human. Don't think for a minute that I have never prejudged anyone....I have. Do I feel terrible about it? The answer is no. It is natural to have misconceptions about people based on their race. It is something that I strive not to do.
The only topic I am arguing on this thread is some of the semantics you guys use to describe African Americans. Once again I think it is offensive to describe African Americans as the "N" word, colored, or Negro. You guys know that using any of those words in most settings would be looked upon as strange and insulting.
I can't believe how one sided this debate has become. There is a certain way of thinking, in which all of you have been accustomed to. You guys don't place yourselves in other peoples shoes.
Moot, I know your stance on this topic. You're basically saying that I shouldn't focus on something that you see as a minor issue. I agree it is a minor issue. I don't lose sleep on anything said on this forum at all (I imagine some of you guys feel the same way too). However, I fight my battles no matter how big or small they are.
I wish I could talk about these subjects in person with all of you. It would be very entertaining.
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Originally posted by moot
The only truth is reason.
Exactly. And this is where the whole muticutural movement is funamentally flawed. To think that one set of people cannon understand another without going through their "situation" is utter BS. Through reason anyone can understand someone else's circumstances. Reason can set you free.
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This lady is one of my favorite Golf announcers. This is a shame and a sham. She is also one of the whitiest announcers I have ever seen. I saw her on tv doing the play by play and she had me smiling the whole day.
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twentyfo.. would you or your "university" friends correct a negro who used the evil and crippling (cover your ears) "N" word the real N word?
Of course not.. you would look squeamish and maybe squeak out a pitiful "right on bro".
would you go up to an older group of negros who were working for the NAACP and tell them they were not allowed to use the word negro or colored and that they were narrow minded and stuck in the sixties?
Of course not.. you are a racist tool is why with a mushhead way of thinking that fosters the hate. You don't do it on purpose I am sure but you are doing it.
I believe that it is apparent that it is you who are the narrow minded one. You are substituting a fad for using your brain. No one has told you what a tool you are because you either only hang out with other tools and/or people who are just as harmfully polite as you are.
See.. people being polite to you and not telling you how silly you are has ruined you. I don't want to be to blame for your continued naivety.
lazs
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I have to agree with Lazs, TwentyFo. You have lived a sheltered life, as far as "race" is concerned.
Living exclusively in the US is 9 times out of 10 not going to be enough for any average person to have an accurate perspective of the big picture of racism.
Look at that youtube clip I linked to. Do you completely understand John Lydon's perspective? He refuses the black side of the black/white divide, no matter how friendly the actor (I forgot his name, he played in Say it ain't so) suggests it, because it's as unfair as the white side of racism.
You're also wrong when you say someone can be expected to act a certain way because of his race. It isn't race, it's upbringing, tradition or conditioning, it's education and personality. Plenty of foreign ethnicity individuals who've grown up in white countries have grown up to be entirely different from their ascendent cultures, and this by their own will. First hand example I've seen multiple times are Turkish or Middle-Eastern in Germany, Mexican in Germany, Asian in France, Indian in the UK, and Latino or Black in the US.
Someone "acting" like their ethnicity is a matter of choice, not predetermination.
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Rap is full of the N word. A town in Texas was going to make saying the N word punishable with a $500.00 fine. People were outraged and complained about this soon to be passed law. All the people outraged were black. Seems they use the term regularly and wanted to be able to keep using it. So the town tried to implement an adjustment.... you could only say the N word in a friendly manner. That was found to be unconstitutional.
With that said..... it has nothing to do with what is going on with this lady other than a known racist is attacking her in a public forum.