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Special Events Forums => King of the Hill => Topic started by: TequilaChaser on January 11, 2008, 05:34:11 PM
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it is a shame when people fly around, wait til others engage
BnZ , by pass others to get to certian people.......
have to take Chicken**** face shots because that is the best they got
have to bring their whole squad in, to improve their chances of at least one of them winning the event
for some to continously skirt the edge of fights, always flying at 5k+......
have to have a freaking excuse when they get shot down, because if you shoot them, you either got lucky or a cat jumped on their keyboard ad infinium.....
for this event to get back to what we experienced last week in the TOC,
the KOTH CM staff needs to have more than just a person watching, the KOTH should be fun for all..and the Host should even have the ability to be able to participate as well, and not have to babysit the participants....
I guess, I am tired of the BS excuses, the whines, the argueing, the over all drop in skill level, and the influence of squads that at times use private chat, use communication programs outside of the game so noone is aware, and even in past, seen certian extremes of pushing the edge of almost winging.....
is very sad to see such a great event has almost fallen to the lowest level possible of worthyness to this community.....
I might re visit sometime down the road, if certian people can tell me that things are better, or have gotten back to what they once were.......
right now currently, outside of a SELECT FEW who go by the rules properly , the rest is not worth the time it takes to sit and waste for not..........
best of luck to all the participants, and really wish fuzeman, WMLute and AKDogg the best in getting the event turned around......I hope you can
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what the hell happened tonight?
if it was bad i'm glad i left when i did...
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lol I left early, but when i left it seemed like is was going well. From my point of view it seemed like everyone was
and saying gf, did'nt hear many complaints.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
have to bring their whole squad in, to improve their chances of at least one of them winning the event
You're wrong.. But proving you wrong won't happen, because just like the Moon landing conspriracists, no matter how much evidence you're shown, you'll still have sour grapes and/or paranoid suspicions.
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E gangbangin crap, good luck with KOTH.
I heard a certain person (a cm) say KOTH is not a 1 vs 1 event....its a live event for name in lights.... ch101, whatever...
"I won, I won neener neener, ect ect..."
Im not going to listem to 10 min of rules to lay the smack down on all of you, I could spank half of you participants with alt, and E.
Its a joke, meet me in DA, keep your alt and E contests private.
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And that's why I don't fly Koth. Anybody wants to fight me, i'll be in the DA, and i'll be ready :D
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FYI when TC logged today "upset", pretty much everybody there was going "huh"?
Today was a "good" KOTH. Lots of decent fights all around, and I didn't see what TC was talking about what so ever.
I was flying and not in CM eye, but all in all everybody seemed to be havin' a great time. Also, TC and I never crossed paths as we tended to fly to diff. corners of the map, so we went up against diff. players.
Some of the Points TC made have always been here and are nothing "new".
If i'm in a 1 on 1 fight w/ someone, and another player comes into the fight, odds are I am the one they are gonna go for. It's been like that for a looooong time now, and maybe I am just used to it.
Head On's don't bug me really. I had one player ho and PW me today (*cough Jr*) and that was 100% MY fault. I knew there were there. I knew they would probably HO me. I just got caught lookin' back @ Biggles on fire D600 behind me and I consider getting ho'd "my fault". I got caught lookin'.
(Come to think of it, in that fight I was HO'd, then picked as I was blacked out. That's just par. for the course. My fault for getting ho'd and put in that position. I laughed about it actually.)
I agree to some degree @ skirting fights. But we've always had that.
I agree about the communication on private channels, but again, we've always had that.
When one (or more) of my squaddies are flying a KOTH they are under STRICT orders to attack me first. If other squads choose to fly without honor and wing to help each other win then they will be asked not to fly. Nobody is fooled. It IS obvious. I know the CM's are aware of a couple squads that do this, and fair waring, it will not be tolerated.
There is only so much the KOTH CM's can do about it all. Tommorrow night I will spend more time in the tower and less time fighting. (which sucks for me)
Some KOTH's, depending on how many and who we have flying, I have to watch most the rounds and have to enforce the rules. Some KOTH's I get to fly most rounds as the players are all pretty much following the rules. Today seemed more like the latter to me rather than the former.
The only thing I see that has "changed" about King of the Hill is that it's gotten MUCH more competitive this past year or so. It is a LOT harder to win now that say a year or two ago.
Again, I don't see that KOTH has changed all that much. 3-4 years ago I saw FAR more "rule breaking", fight skirting, winging, HO and cherypicking than I do now.
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Originally posted by moot
You're wrong.. But proving you wrong won't happen, because just like the Moon landing conspriracists, no matter how much evidence you're shown, you'll still have sour grapes and/or paranoid suspicions.
1st m00t, I had always held a high regard for you in the game.......am surprised you jumped at that statement singling it out......
2nd, I am wrong in posting my frustrations when it had alot more to do with Real Life current events than anything that happened in the game
3rd, honestly I did not have any squad in mind when I posted that whole diatribe......
I think the showing of "1" certian squad has actually greatly improved the event ........
and I have no desire to dump my RL current events on anyone here, I posted out of frustration, I was wrong, and for that I apologize.
nothing more to say......
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It wouldn't have been the first time we get that accusation, so I did jump the gun..
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TC
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I know what TC is talking about right now because yes there are some squads that like to talk to eachother wile they are fling, myself included. Last night I had my squadie finish second, and yes I was helping him when he was not fighting with anybody.
TC, there will always be pickers in KOTH no matter what, that could be their only skill, but you know if you have the E and alt advantage would you waist it? Very rarly do I get that alt and E advantage from anyone.
Yuor a good pilot and it is tought to see you go. and see ya around.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
Last night I had my squadie finish second, and yes I was helping him when he was not fighting with anybody.
Good to know.
A most telling remark.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
Last night I had my squadie finish second, and yes I was helping him when he was not fighting with anybody.
We may have our first event duration mute. Then again if you helped your squaddie and he didnt say anything to stop you, that might go for your whole squad.
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Bosco, I apologized for my original post....
Lute Knows where my mind was, m00t knows where my mind was.....and you just got busted, because you aparently do not know where your mind is ;) .......
I'll be back. I just needed to step away from both events this weekend for certian reasons......
I'll be back, :aok
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That is my fault and I know it, rely it was very simple stuff like:"This is had" "yea that why I die" stupid things like that. I rely don't care because I knew what I did was wrong, but I wasn't thinking at KOTH so oh well. I'm not the one to cheat so if I got busted thats fine with me.
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Bosco,
You do realize that in both your posts in this thread you admit to breaking the KOTH rules. I'm sure the CMs who host and run this event will be along shortly to penalize you and possibly your entire squad. To show no remorse over breaking the rules that are in place to make the events function on a level playing field and to make it fun for all the participants is just wrong.
I would not be surprised if the blatantness of your actions and lack of remorse/apology do not cause the other CMs of other events to put you on their watch list and/or ask you to leave the events they are hosting.
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As long as I am not called a cheat, I am fine with it.
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Doesn't breaking the rules imply that you did ch---?
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Originally posted by Bosco123
As long as I am not called a cheat, I am fine with it.
It is cheating and its a load of crap. You should not be allowed to fly KOTH again.
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Originally posted by Slash27
It is cheating and its a load of crap. You should not be allowed to fly KOTH again.
Agreeance.
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I'm gonna back out of this one before people get angry, the only thing I said is this:"This is hard" "yea thats why I get killed all the time lol" and I told him how I died. it was nothing that would be called cheating just talking to him.
Is that called cheating?
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The KOTH team will be issuing a statement shortly.
We use ch101 to prevent any communications from tower to people inflight, repeat ANY.
You of course do not think its cheating, but be 100% certain, you broke the rules.
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Originally posted by fuzeman
The KOTH team will be issuing a statement shortly.
We use ch101 to prevent any communications from tower to people inflight, repeat ANY.
You of course do not think its cheating, but be 100% certain, you broke the rules.
I know I did now but I didn't cheat.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
I know I did now but I didn't cheat.
Boscoe,
you seem like a good person.....we all make mistakes, then later regret them....shining example .my opening post...
just man up and offer an apology....it really doesn't hurt......heck, sometime or another it happens to us all.....
we also learn from our mistakes....this is what lifes all about.......
if I could go back, I would and completely delete my original post, I did not want to slight the KOTH in this way, I just had lot of anger from RL that was clouding my thoughts that day....
life goes on, more good times to come..........even in KOTH
~S~
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I was tring to be honest on this and keep my concious clear. I apologize I have done any harm and
to you guys that keep it clean.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
I know what TC is talking about right now because yes there are some squads that like to talk to eachother wile they are fling, myself included. Last night I had my squadie finish second, and yes I was helping him when he was not fighting with anybody.
TC, there will always be pickers in KOTH no matter what, that could be their only skill, but you know if you have the E and alt advantage would you waist it? Very rarly do I get that alt and E advantage from anyone.
Yuor a good pilot and it is tought to see you go. and see ya around.
What a crock of ****.
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Originally posted by fuzeman
The KOTH team will be issuing a statement shortly.
We use ch101 to prevent any communications from tower to people inflight, repeat ANY.
You of course do not think its cheating, but be 100% certain, you broke the rules.
The announcement has been made: http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=224715
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The end problem is there is no incentive to engage.
I know TC's frustration., as you gain more skill and get known to the KOTH regulars...many will BnZ you above all others, avoid fighting you directly by not engaging. I don't consider a BnZ attack every 30 seconds or so, engaged.
So ... I've said so before, but they only way you change behavior is by changing incentives. The only way I can see for giving an incentive to kill, is by involving folk's K/D score with KOTH.
I posted before it would probably work well to play KOTH for 10 rounds or so, unless there is a 3-time winner-But if there is no winner after 10 round, the best K/D wins. Maybe with a bonus for being a wabbit, or having a single round win.
Plus it has the advantage of giving KOTH a set max time for completion. 10 rounds may not be the right number, but is just an example...But it would be nice to be able to estimate more accurately how long a KOTH would take, for CM's and players.
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not to take anything away from BluKitty's post, but my main frustration was real life news I received around 10 AM that Friday Morning of my Uncle passing away......I was unable to travel to NC to be there with my Family, and I was frustrated over the way the event had occurred. Which was medical faults of the hospitals/care givers.......
I took it out on people in the tournament that Friday and here on the boards....
that is why I owed the apology and said I was wrong in my original post.....
for what it's worth.......
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Condolences TC, times like those are tough.
I remember when my Dad and Uncle were hospitalized, I was lucky enough to be unemployed, so my sister an I tried to stay with them 24/7 while they were in there. We caught a few mistakes, no real big ones. One time we were wearing then and did'nt stay with my Uncle one night. Came in the next day and his thumb had been smashed when some uncaring / unobservant dolt wasn't paying attention.
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What about an spot or award for someone who gets the largest number of kills on the night? That way there is incentive engage instead of loiter until the last fight.
Vlkyrie1
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Originally posted by Valkyrie
What about an spot or award for someone who gets the largest number of kills on the night? That way there is incentive engage instead of loiter until the last fight.
Vlkyrie1
Most kills get's a TOC invite maybe?
Dogg? Fuzeman? Sound good?
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Would that just kind of encourage people to get as many kills as they can as quick as they can? Would that bring more HOing BnZ and dweebieness to the event? Just wondering.
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Yes. It would encourage it more.
The rules are fine how they are.
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Originally posted by Husky01
Would that just kind of encourage people to get as many kills as they can as quick as they can? Would that bring more HOing BnZ and dweebieness to the event? Just wondering.
For the player that WOULD fly like that... remind me again how that would be diff. from how they normally fly?
Maybe Highest k/d then?
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If anything it be kills/death. I not sure if it gonna bring more dweebness into the KOTH or not. We got to remember, we got a different breed of players then what we are use to. It is what I call Air Quake. Most players now a days up a plane to kill another with no regards to survive. They just up another and HO, Ram, pick and so on.... 70% of the people I fight against anymore are doing this. Use to be 15%. It sad I tell ya.
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Wouldn't highest K/D just encourage more BnZ?
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To get the most kills you most likely are a wabbit or the winner anyway. To stay alive and win you must kill. If you are a lame bnz salamander you won't win except maybe a lucky round every now and then anyway. bnz wusses are only as good as the crowd they have around them. 1 on 1 they die every time. They know this and that's why they fly timid.
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Originally posted by moot
You're wrong.. But proving you wrong won't happen, because just like the Moon landing conspriracists, no matter how much evidence you're shown, you'll still have sour grapes and/or paranoid suspicions.
Not true, I know of a certain well known squad that will all but wing. I saw it on their boards laughing about it.
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I think I am with Stang on this one. I did not see any of this last night, other than maybe someone cutting throttle to get to a fight last but then he ran the risk of both of us turning on him. In any case, the guys that will not fight will last longer, but they will never be the ones winning the event. Eventually they would either have to kill a wabbit or they will become the wabbit themselfs.
After becoming a wabbit, I did have people that went for me first. That really was not a problem because one you kill the 2 or 3 guys that came after you, the map is clear for you and you only have to worry about a 1 vs 1 from them on. When it becomes a problem is when planes with low fire power are chosen. By the time you kill someone you have 2 or 3 guys there. Thats is not the issue with cannon or 50cals. So maybe, exclude some planes from the event? I know they are a lot of fun but trying to take down 3 guys in a Stucka will result in a gangbang.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Not true, I know of a certain well known squad that will all but wing. I saw it on their boards laughing about it.
Could you all but insinuate any more? Let's see some substance to these accusations.
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I don't think the public forums is the place for it.
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The public forum is the place for it since it was taken public by accusations and demands that people fly a certain way not outlined by the rules, which blurs the line between legal and not and makes for all sorts of griefing to and from people more interested in having fun... for the sake of someone's arbitrary based on no official rules.
It's aggravating and is worth clearing up with as thoroughly and transparently as possible, so everyone gets back to having fun.
Either that or the accusations completely disappear to wherever the evidence supporting them has been hiding out..
Fair enough?
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Originally posted by SuperDud
I don't think the public forums is the place for it.
I dont think the "public boards" is a good place to lie either
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Originally posted by AKDogg
If anything it be kills/death. I not sure if it gonna bring more dweebness into the KOTH or not. We got to remember, we got a different breed of players then what we are use to. It is what I call Air Quake. Most players now a days up a plane to kill another with no regards to survive. They just up another and HO, Ram, pick and so on.... 70% of the people I fight against anymore are doing this. Use to be 15%. It sad I tell ya.
Reason's why I don't fly the KOTH anymore... and my boss runs the show! :rofl
I enjoy it, but just don't like the MA mentality that comes with it. It is not that and it is a one life per round. All it takes is one guy to HO the rabbit repeatedly and someone else gets the win. Just my .02's and no disrespect to anyone who runs it.
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Originally posted by Sketch
Reason's why I don't fly the KOTH anymore... and my boss runs the show! :rofl
I enjoy it, but just don't like the MA mentality that comes with it. It is not that and it is a one life per round. All it takes is one guy to HO the rabbit repeatedly and someone else gets the win. Just my .02's and no disrespect to anyone who runs it.
Since we went to the large circle, the Ho's have come to a minimum along with the ganging. We will never be able to eliminate any of them.
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Originally posted by AKDogg
Since we went to the large circle, the Ho's have come to a minimum along with the ganging. We will never be able to eliminate any of them.
If it is a group of hot women ganging me I am fine by that.... but some of these guys are ugly! :p
I know it won't ever be out all the way, the HO that is, but it is tough to enjoy it at times. I know the CM's can't be everywhere at once and that you all do your best.
I guess my view of it is that the icons should show the plane, not the pilots handle. Then they re not singled out, which happens a lot. I mean, if I can see AKDogg in a nice fight 1v1, I will dive down and poof! No more four legged critter running wild!
Everyone fly out from the base, spread out and get into a fight 1v1. If you win, fly to the next fight for a 1v1. If there is already a fight going on, wait... Get to equal odds so there is 'no joy' and then repeat. You will still have to manage each fight as far as fuel, ammo and damage, but if you take damage from a HO shot or such, you just screwed the pouch (no pun intended) as you won't last long til the next fight. Yes it is that way right now to a certain extent, but it just becomes too easy for the picks. I have had some good fights before a few have been with Wooley in a Yak-9U and Valkyrie while in an IL2. These were both a while ago, maybe almost a year ago... but I had a blast. I might come back in as they are fun, and like I said Dogg, as well the rest of the KOTH staff, I mean no disrespect on this... just my opinion.