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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on January 13, 2008, 11:07:00 AM
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http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=189559
I can't wait till march!
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=189559
I can't wait till march!
Oh god thank you. Hands down the best show on TV.
Do we know if its a full season for it or are the splitting it in two like I've heard as rumors.
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Post from Lazs decrying it as whiny and girlish (while saying he liked some of the first few episodes before it got preachy) in 3... 2... 1....
;)
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Looks like Star Trek on crack :rofl
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Originally posted by RATTFINK
Looks like Star Trek on crack :rofl
You haven't seen it?
Easily one of the best sci-fi series ever.
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Seriously losing interest here...
I was pissed when I learned it wouldn't be til November... then December, Jan, Feb, now MARCH!?
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Bah.
FarScape was the best SciFi series ever.
I watched the mini/premier of the new BSG, and they took everything GOOD about the original BSG and ripped it out to replace it with sex, changed characters who didn't need to be changed, and hinged everything on a poorly-constructed plot device that wholly departed into ludicrousness.
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So... guessing you didn't bother to check out any more of the series? Consider, you may be missing out on something great.
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Originally posted by Saxman
I watched the mini/premier of the new BSG, and they took everything GOOD about the original BSG and ripped it out to replace it with sex, changed characters who didn't need to be changed, and hinged everything on a poorly-constructed plot device that wholly departed into ludicrousness.
Please, nostalgia is clouding your judgement. Judgement that was probably based on wanting to see the exact samething, but in Hi-Def and computer graphics.
There is enough vanilla in cinema and tv these days.
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Firefly was better imo but I still look forward to the next season of BSG.
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chair... you don't agree with my assessment ?
All shows run their course and get stale. for various reasons.. they shift direction or you get tired of the characters or.. they simply run out of ideas.
This one took a shift in direction that is boring is all.
lazs
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Originally posted by Saxman
Bah.
FarScape was the best SciFi series ever.
I agree.
As for BSG, its been downhill since the first season except for one or two shows. Pretty much the reason this is the last season.
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Let's see....
Original BSG, despite the hopeless nature of the fleet's situation, was still optimistic, about humanity banding together for their common survival.
The remake everyone was pissed off at each other's throats the entire time. NO ONE was even the remotest bit likable.
The original Starbuck was a scoundrel and rogue, a lovable Han Solo-type. The new (female) Starbuck was just an insolent, insubordinate *****. The altercation between her and Col. Tigh at the beginning of the remake mini illustrates this perfectly. For that matter, why the HELL did they make Starbuck a woman anyway? I read the interviews, they wanted a character to have sexual tension with Apollo. Well they frelling DID. What happened to Carina and Sheba?
Hell, for what bloody purpose did they need to make Boomer a Cylon fembot?
Apollo was just a jerk in the remake. His attitude towards Adama in the remake was completely out of place and unbelievable.
The original Baltar was FAR more interesting. Self-serving, twisted and maniacal. And he got neutered and turned into a poor sap getting led around by the balls by the Terminatrix.
Then there's the plot itself...
Ok, yeah, so the computer virus was an interesting twist and illustrates the more cunning Cylons of the remake. But the fact that the Colonial military is SO integrated that there's no fail-safe should something happen on one ship thus crippling the ENTIRE fleet is ludicrous. Haven't these people ever heard of firewalls and anti-viruses? Even your typical, run-of-the-mill fully-integrated business network today isn't going to COMPLETELY go down just because of a virus shutting down the Domain Controller, because the individual workstations STILL have the capability to function totally autonomously, even if they can no longer access shared or networked resources. Is the entire Colonial fleet running dumb terminals? AND the fact that Adama was ALLOWED by the Colonial high command to refuse to upgrade the Galactica's computer systems to integrate them with the central defense system is BULLCHIT. The Galactica is NOT Adama's ship. If the fleet orders you in to dry dock to upgrade, you report to drydock to UPGRADE, or you get replaced by someone who will. Contrived, weak and totally unbelievable.
Oh, and then there's the weak incident where to throw suspicion off himself, Baltar fingers a random guy on the Galactica's bridge to be a Cylon imposter....only to discover at the end of the miniseries the guy actually IS a Cylon imposter (I won't get into the fact how FarScape handled the Harvey mind clone of the series villain WAY better).
Also, why with FTL flight capability does the entire Colonial military still use physical round-based weaponry?
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I'm amazed you summed the new BSG from watching the mini-series and the premier. From my perspective, I grew up with original as my older siblings and parents loved it. You're getting hung up that the new series ISN'T the old one. Take it from the perspective that this is a completely different show. The original argument we had in this thread wasnt comparing the original to the new one, but rather overall sci-fi's on tv.
Few years ago I caught some blip on Sci-Fi channel about the first season, so I downloaded the first show '33', immediately I was hooked an thoroughly enjoyed the new take on it. The following day I had downloaded the entire season and watched every episode back to back.
I didn't even get to see the miniseries until I bought the season on DVD, which was a while after I had downloaded the entire first season. The mini-series was good, but not as good as the TV season IMO.
You're entitled to your opinion as am I. I've seen both series, and you've made a judgement on characters that you haven't seen develop through the series. This will probably escalate to the type of which is better, the original Star Trek, or TNG?
Ok, yeah, so the computer virus was an interesting twist and illustrates the more cunning Cylons of the remake. But the fact that the Colonial military is SO integrated that there's no fail-safe should something happen on one ship thus crippling the ENTIRE fleet is ludicrous. Haven't these people ever heard of firewalls and anti-viruses? Even your typical, run-of-the-mill fully-integrated business network today isn't going to COMPLETELY go down just because of a virus shutting down the Domain Controller, because the individual workstations STILL have the capability to function totally autonomously, even if they can no longer access shared or networked resources. Is the entire Colonial fleet running dumb terminals? AND the fact that Adama was ALLOWED by the Colonial high command to refuse to upgrade the Galactica's computer systems to integrate them with the central defense system is BULLCHIT. The Galactica is NOT Adama's ship. If the fleet orders you in to dry dock to upgrade, you report to drydock to UPGRADE, or you get replaced by someone who will. Contrived, weak and totally unbelievable.
Hi?
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Originally posted by Saxman
FarScape was the best SciFi series ever.
I've tried to watch on a few occasions. Claudia Black is easy on the eyes, but I just can't get past the muppets.
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Originally posted by Saxman
Let's see....
Original BSG, despite the hopeless nature of the fleet's situation, was still optimistic, about humanity banding together for their common survival.
The remake everyone was pissed off at each other's throats the entire time. NO ONE was even the remotest bit likable.
The original Starbuck was a scoundrel and rogue, a lovable Han Solo-type. The new (female) Starbuck was just an insolent, insubordinate *****. The altercation between her and Col. Tigh at the beginning of the remake mini illustrates this perfectly. For that matter, why the HELL did they make Starbuck a woman anyway? I read the interviews, they wanted a character to have sexual tension with Apollo. Well they frelling DID. What happened to Carina and Sheba?
Hell, for what bloody purpose did they need to make Boomer a Cylon fembot?
Apollo was just a jerk in the remake. His attitude towards Adama in the remake was completely out of place and unbelievable.
The original Baltar was FAR more interesting. Self-serving, twisted and maniacal. And he got neutered and turned into a poor sap getting led around by the balls by the Terminatrix.
Then there's the plot itself...
Ok, yeah, so the computer virus was an interesting twist and illustrates the more cunning Cylons of the remake. But the fact that the Colonial military is SO integrated that there's no fail-safe should something happen on one ship thus crippling the ENTIRE fleet is ludicrous. Haven't these people ever heard of firewalls and anti-viruses? Even your typical, run-of-the-mill fully-integrated business network today isn't going to COMPLETELY go down just because of a virus shutting down the Domain Controller, because the individual workstations STILL have the capability to function totally autonomously, even if they can no longer access shared or networked resources. Is the entire Colonial fleet running dumb terminals? AND the fact that Adama was ALLOWED by the Colonial high command to refuse to upgrade the Galactica's computer systems to integrate them with the central defense system is BULLCHIT. The Galactica is NOT Adama's ship. If the fleet orders you in to dry dock to upgrade, you report to drydock to UPGRADE, or you get replaced by someone who will. Contrived, weak and totally unbelievable.
Oh, and then there's the weak incident where to throw suspicion off himself, Baltar fingers a random guy on the Galactica's bridge to be a Cylon imposter....only to discover at the end of the miniseries the guy actually IS a Cylon imposter (I won't get into the fact how FarScape handled the Harvey mind clone of the series villain WAY better).
Also, why with FTL flight capability does the entire Colonial military still use physical round-based weaponry?
Knows everything about the series... yet doesn't watch it?
Sit. Relax. Have a cheese doodle. It will all be alright.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Firefly was better imo but I still look forward to the next season of BSG.
I watched Firefly after I saw Serenity. I thought it was okay. I didn't really appreciate the whole "space western" thing or the campy feel... having seen what River Tam was capable of in the movie, I expected more of that character in the series.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I've tried to watch on a few occasions. Claudia Black is easy on the eyes, but I just can't get past the muppets.
There was only 1.
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The dividing line is a thin one, but while Henson Co. was involved, they weren't actually muppets.
But a foul-mouthed, arrogant, elitest, greedy, egotistical, self-centered Henson Creature makes for one of the best characters ever created. He's telling you to frell off, and he's a puppet! :D
Also, there's a BIG difference between Star Trek vs it's sequels, and BSG vs the remake. One is continuing the orignal story, the other is rewriting it. The former is what BSG fans WANTED. The latter is what they got.
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Originally posted by Saxman
Also, there's a BIG difference between Star Trek vs it's sequels, and BSG vs the remake. One is continuing the orignal story, the other is rewriting it. The former is what BSG fans WANTED. The latter is what they got.
There is a difference in the Star Trek analogy, but not as big as you think. Certainly they took place with a different set of characters, time, etc etc., but the style, writing, and acting were a different approach, especially after Roddenbery kicked the bucket. And the original vs TNG is stylistically more similar to each other than BSG vs New BSG.
But with the new BSG, you'd have to agree that some of the original cast enjoys it, if not more than the original. Richard Hatch anyone?
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Originally posted by Sandman
I watched Firefly after I saw Serenity. I thought it was okay. I didn't really appreciate the whole "space western" thing or the campy feel... having seen what River Tam was capable of in the movie, I expected more of that character in the series.
It sucks that you saw River's character transformation in the wrong order... one of the coolest things of the series is to see her progression from helpless crazy girl-in-a-box to the ass-kicking weapon she's shown to be by the end. I can see how that would be a huge letdown when you already know what the end product will be.
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Saxman, I betcha there are more hard core fans now for the new series then there was for the original. I was a fan of the original, and I think the new one is better, but to each his/her own.
I'm still waiting for Daggits to show up. I'm guessing they'll be terrifying Cylon cybernetic attack dogs with spiky bits.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I watched Firefly after I saw Serenity. I thought it was okay. I didn't really appreciate the whole "space western" thing or the campy feel... having seen what River Tam was capable of in the movie, I expected more of that character in the series.
The time line was a bit odd for the series vs the movie. As the movie spans the entire series. The span of 30 seconds in the first 8 minutes in the movie is where the series takes place :)
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Originally posted by Tarmac
It sucks that you saw River's character transformation in the wrong order... one of the coolest things of the series is to see her progression from helpless crazy girl-in-a-box to the ass-kicking weapon she's shown to be by the end. I can see how that would be a huge letdown when you already know what the end product will be.
Whedon gave a hint or two in the series... but I expect Tam wasn't going to start ass-kicking until the second or third season.
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Originally posted by Octavius
Seriously losing interest here...
I was pissed when I learned it wouldn't be til November... then December, Jan, Feb, now MARCH!?
Haven't you heard? Hollywood's on strike. Have been for some time now.
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Originally posted by Viking
Haven't you heard? Hollywood's on strike. Have been for some time now.
Production delays were not due to the strike. It was originally suppose to air back in October (before the strike started)
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Originally posted by Viking
Haven't you heard? Hollywood's on strike. Have been for some time now.
They should outsource to india, a bollywood version of BSG would be good for a laugh.
BTW, Babylon 5 is the best sci fi series ever, it had its ups and downs but the shadow wars were awesome and they introduced some very interesting concepts/ideas.
farscape is a chick flick (what else can it be when the spaceship gets pregnant), although Chiana was a nice highlight :) .
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Originally posted by Vulcan
BTW, Babylon 5 is the best sci fi series ever.
Space station sci-fi shows are too....stagnant?
Source: Deep Space 9
:p
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Well DS9 was boring. But Bab5 was definitely not stagnant :)
BTW half the cast from BSG seems to be on the Bionic Woman.
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From one canceled series to another canceled series? Doesn't look good for thier resumes.
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Babylon 5 Rules. In fact it's the only show I ever recorded.
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Originally posted by Saxman
FarScape was the best SciFi series ever.
I love SG-1 and the 200th episode poked fun at Far Scape. I haven't laughed that hard in a long time
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I always loved Bab5 that said the movie "Babylon 5 the lost years" was a HUGE frakkin letdown, I still want my 2 bucks back from ordering it on VOD
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Bab5 is one of the best si fi series, i've seen...
After watching the first two seasons of B5 and seeing how well thought out story line was, it completely blew away anything star trek had done at that time.
It's sad that two of the main actors from the series have passed away... Looks like they'll never finish off the remaining stories...
As for comparing the old BSG with the new BSG that's like trying to compare night and day. The new BSG is 10 times better than the old one. The story arc's are much more complex. The characters are much more complex. But you can only run away from the cylons for so long before it becomes stale. That's one thing both the new BSG and old BSG have in common.. However it's still one of the best si fi shows out there.
Now if ya'll want to talk about stargate SG-1 that ran for 10 seasons that is one si fi show that kept things interesting....
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Originally posted by Saxman
Bah.
FarScape was the best SciFi series ever.
I watched the mini/premier of the new BSG, and they took everything GOOD about the original BSG and ripped it out to replace it with sex,
I agree. I want the cheezy special effects, hair helmets, and goofy robot dog back.
:huh
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Actually, that was state-of-the-art effects for TV at the time, rivaling some movies, too. So I guess in your opinion the original Star Wars' effects were cheesy as well? :p
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I loved the show at the time, just like I love the show now.The old series is hard to watch now. I wish I still had my toy Viper from the original series though. It had this tiny choke hazard pilot and missiles.:D
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Originally posted by Saxman
Actually, that was state-of-the-art effects for TV at the time, rivaling some movies, too. So I guess in your opinion the original Star Wars' effects were cheesy as well? :p
If you're just into special fx and shiny objects, then that's one thing. But if you're interested in compelling stories and strong plotlines, then the new BSG fits the bill.
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Actually the original had a very interesting concept going with the War of the Gods storyline, and the general mythology they established. It suggested they were preparing to set up a much broader Good vs. Evil battle. In fact, I liked how they tied the Galactica universe into historical Earth mythology overall, and it would have been very interesting to see how the original series would have ultimately played out had the networks not chickened out and screwed them over, even though the series performed VERY strongly (gee, why does THAT sound familiar. Scapers, can I get a HELL YEAH?).
Then again, the end of BSG80 and early drafts/concepts I've read about implied there were plans that would have redeemed the series if they hadn't been canceled (including bringing Starbuck and Apollo back, and a continuation of the War of the Gods arc).
I really need to read the Hatch novels now.
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I have never seen the new BSG but in the opening scene there is a ship in the fleet that looks like the Firefly or so I have read. Anyone that has seen both want to let me know if it's true. :)
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will they give anyone in the crew a sense of humor this time.. that is the burning question.
farscape was horrible... Firefly was ten times the series of either it or bsg.
lazs
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BSG has been a mixed bag for me. I like the gritty retro feel, but the plot has strayed in shark jumping areas with the "Lee as Lawyer" and "Chief as Union Activist" bits, to name a few. Wasted airtime. Overall I give it a solid B -- far better than the original and the disappointment I felt when it aired. All fired up as a kid for Star Was meets TV, only to have it be more disco in space.
They all pale compared to the Glory that was Rome :)
Charon
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Originally posted by zorstorer
I have never seen the new BSG but in the opening scene there is a ship in the fleet that looks like the Firefly or so I have read. Anyone that has seen both want to let me know if it's true. :)
It may be in there. I know the old school Enterprise made an appearance as part of the fleet.