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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Chairboy on January 15, 2008, 03:18:49 PM
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http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_Amend_Constitution_to_meet_Gods_0115.html
"Huckabee: Amend Constitution to be in 'God's standards'"
I'm confident that even if you're a christian, you should be pretty concerned about the dramatic change this would entail in the structure of our country and the role of religion in government.
The distinction between church and state exists to protect both from each other. The stink of government would impinge the church the same way that religion's influence on government would drive it toward more centralized power. Theocracy hurts everyone under its thumb, and Huckabee's promise to re-write the Constitution should be a bright warning to folks on both sides of this issue.
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your worried about what a politican says regarding amending the consitution while on the campaign trail? thats about as close to science fiction as politcs gets.
Huckabee wont stand a prayer (pun intended) if he keeps grasping at God to get elected.
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Yeager is right... This just makes his electability in a general election that much less.
Im not that worried.
Not really
:noid
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In a sane world, someone wishing to alter the constitution to fit a religous bias would soon be out of the running. The scary thing is, this guy might pull it off, with the number of voters' in the Christian right.
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I am interested to see how much the liberal media pounces on this. Democrats know that the only Republican Hillary can beat is Huckabee, and they need him to win the nomination.
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I would be far more interested to see how the conservative media, the one that acknowledges the sanctity of the Constitution yet has the most to gain from a republican candidate, reports it.
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So... Huckabee wants a theocracy.
That makes him a moonbat.
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Last time I looked the President has no more power to change the constitution than you or I.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Last time I looked the President has no more power to change the constitution than you or I.
True enough.
Doesn't make Huckabee less of a moonbat, though.
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Originally posted by Sandman
True enough.
Doesn't make Huckabee less of a moonbat, though.
I don't mean to be rude but you're gonna vote for Hillary anyhow so your opinion in this means little to me.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I don't mean to be rude but you're gonna vote for Hillary anyhow so your opinion in this means little to me.
This will help you (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/member2.php?s=&action=addlist&userlist=ignore&userid=2678).
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Originally posted by AKIron
Last time I looked the President has no more power to change the constitution than you or I.
However, that can be changed with things like the Patriot act. The President can't change or ammend the constitution, that has to be done by Congress...But it can be suspended. The Patriot act allows for this. It's there, and all you need is for someone to use it to mess with the constitution.
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Originally posted by Sandman
This will help you (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/member2.php?s=&action=addlist&userlist=ignore&userid=2678).
I noticed you didn't bother denying you have little interest in voting for a Republican.
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
However, that can be changed with things like the Patriot act. The President can't change or ammend the constitution, that has to be done by Congress...But it can be suspended. The Patriot act allows for this. It's there, and all you need is for someone to use it to mess with the constitution.
Whatever happened with that evil Patriot Act anyhow? I thought the loudly opposed democrats were going to get rid of it once they gained power in the House?
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Originally posted by Sandman
This will help you (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/member2.php?s=&action=addlist&userlist=ignore&userid=2678).
:rofl :rofl I clicked, that was funny...
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Originally posted by AKIron
I noticed you didn't bother denying you have little interest in voting for a Republican.
Whatever happened to voting on the issues and the platforms instead of just blindly following party lines?
Tell me, if a republican is nominated to the ticket who you find repugnant, you cannot endorse anything he says, and you're amazed that he's got the ticket, will you still vote for him just because he's Republican?
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
I am interested to see how much the liberal media pounces on this. Democrats know that the only Republican Hillary can beat is Huckabee, and they need him to win the nomination.
This is probably the most inciteful post in this thread.
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Our Founding Fathers where Christians but feared a State Church for good reason. You don't want unelected officials in the Church controlling our Government, it's bad enough we have unelected big business and bank owners controlling it.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Whatever happened to voting on the issues and the platforms instead of just blindly following party lines?
Tell me, if a republican is nominated to the ticket who you find repugnant, you cannot endorse anything he says, and you're amazed that he's got the ticket, will you still vote for him just because he's Republican?
Based on the current front running democrats? Yes.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
This is probably the most inciteful post in this thread.
Insightful?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Whatever happened to voting on the issues and the platforms instead of just blindly following party lines?
Tell me, if a republican is nominated to the ticket who you find repugnant, you cannot endorse anything he says, and you're amazed that he's got the ticket, will you still vote for him just because he's Republican?
Origanally posted by AKIron
Based on the current front running democrats? Yes.
So...Why aren't you all supporting Ron Paul???
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Originally posted by moot
Insightful?
That's what I meant, but what I said applies.
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Origanally posted by AKIron
So...Why aren't you all supporting Ron Paul???
I'll vote for him if he wins the republican nomination.
I still favor Mitt.
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Frode - Because he can't win.. And that because everyone says he can't win.. Don't you get it? :p
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Still liking Fred, shame he won't get the nomination.
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{Ok foot in mouth on}
I'm a christian and beleive that christianities principles make for a good moral foundation in your daily life. I beleive the framers of the constitution wrote it as a nondenominational document using thier christian moral compass as a benchmark for its ultimate test of equality to all mankind.
I can't help thinking that this statement by Huckabee coming from the mouth of Osama Benlauden wouldn't read like converting the constitution to Sharia law. But in a sectarian christian fouled up abortion of a way.
The jews were warned by God in King Davids era that wanting to be ruled by men has consiquences because men are imperfict. It impresses me that the constitution was an attempt at a set of rules to counter this problem and to not insult God by thinking we are capable of using his word in documents to force men to obey men. Islam through the Quran does that with Sharia Law.
{Ok foot in mouth of}
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I would be far more interested to see how the conservative media, the one that acknowledges the sanctity of the Constitution yet has the most to gain from a republican candidate, reports it.
Conservative media? You seem to suffer from the same affliction as Crockett--Republicans and Conservatives AREN'T the same thing. Bush isn't a conservative, HUCKABEE isn't a conservative. As a conservative, I can't fathom what I would have to gain from Huckabee, McCain, Or Rudy being elected, except to see the ideas Reagan ran on further crushed into the ground. ....The New Hampshire TEACHER'S UNION endorsed Huckabee, what more is there to know?:O
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Anyone stop to think Huckabee is a shill for the Dems. Even the Dems are rooting for Huckie to get the party nod. With crap like this large numbers of fence sitters will vote Dem and concervitives will stay home.
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Originally posted by ROC
Still liking Fred, shame he won't get the nomination.
:aok Me to...and it is ashame.
Any of the big 4 I guess you could call them on the Republican side...will be great for the democrats.
It will be left...or far left.
Either way....Conservatives....TRUE conservatives...are screwed and I think for the rest of my time. This election will pretty much set the course IMHO for the next several years. Future doesnt look bright to me.
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Originally posted by bustr
Anyone stop to think Huckabee is a shill for the Dems. Even the Dems are rooting for Huckie to get the party nod. With crap like this large numbers of fence sitters will vote Dem and concervitives will stay home.
The democrats are more clear in their goals than are the republicans imo and they have a more committed base. However, I believe that most Americans are socially conservative and the republicans simply have to galvanize their base to vote. Huckabee could be that catalyst.
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Originally posted by ROC
Still liking Fred, shame he won't get the nomination.
Yeah, Fred is the one, but the media just doesn't like him. That sucks. For us.
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I like Fred but I think his critics are right, he's tired.
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man ron paul is perhaps the only one of the whole clusterfek bunch of candidates that uses his brain rather than his beliefs/race/gender.
Hope my citizenship gets through before this election so I can vote for him.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Yeah, Fred is the one, but the media just doesn't like him. That sucks. For us.
Yeah. It's the media's fault that Giuliani, Romney, and McCain started building their momentum while Thompson was exploring the idea of running.
Too little. Too late. It's his own fault.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Yeah, Fred is the one, but the media just doesn't like him. That sucks. For us.
The same Fred Thompson who still thinks that the Soviet Union is intact?
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
I’m afraid that the Soviet Union & China are not ever going to do anything that’s going to hurt them that badly but we need to ratchet those up if at all possible. I
Fred Thompson 3 October 2007
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I'm confident that even if you're a [C]hristian (it's still a proper noun), you should be pretty concerned about the dramatic change this would entail in the structure of our country and the role of religion in government.
Welp. Yes. If Huck's gonna take that route I find him no less a threat to society than a religious extremist that takes the reigns of power in a Middle Eastern country and remodels it's government to fit his personal religious perspective. Faith should be one's personal spiritual standard and not a government mandated one (nor should government impede one's practice of faith if it doesn't involve criminal activity ... someone's eagerness to be offended not being such).
The U.S. Constitution, in it's current form, doesn't threaten Christianity (or any other belief, faith or philosophy) and certainly shouldn't threaten the God/s we do or do not believe in.
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Originally posted by Sandman
This will help you (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/member2.php?s=&action=addlist&userlist=ignore&userid=2678).
LOL, ya tard, I clicked that.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I like Fred but I think his critics are right, he's tired.
No, Fred is NOT tired. Fred is just calm and cool, he doesn't get wound up. He's ALWAYS been like that, for 30 years that I can remember.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
No, Fred is NOT tired. Fred is just calm and cool, he doesn't get wound up. He's ALWAYS been like that, for 30 years that I can remember.
Come on, if your wife was half your age you'd be tired too. ;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
Come on, if your wife was half your age your age you'd be tired too. ;)
Half your age squared? I just want clarification. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Half your age squared? I just want clarification. ;)
edited to remove squareness
when yer over 50 ya get a free edit
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I say that applies to over forty (me). Maybe even just over thirty (I wish). :D
(Count my edits. There better be no charge.) ;)
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It's a shame everyone is so worried about Fred's wife, instead of really listening and paying attention to what he's had to say.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
It's a shame everyone is so worried about Fred's wife, instead of really listening and paying attention to what he's had to say.
Worried? Not an accurate assessment. His wife promotes his agenda much more energetically then does he. I'll say it again, I like Fred. I will enthusiastically visit the voting booth and cast my ballot for him if he can win enough support to get that far.
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For those of you to lazy or too brain dead to care. Not one place in the constitution of the United States of America does it mention "separation of church and state".
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Thomas Jefferson wrote the phrase in a letter to the Danbury Baptist's on January 1, 1802. "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."
Now as I mentioned above it is not in the constitution but the rule as written says that our government shall not touch the subject of religion to either encourage or discourage its use by the people of the nation. Religion is a personal experience that you as an individual can choose to share or keep hidden within your life. Do not let it cloud your opinion of those around you who may have a different thought on the matter.
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Thompson and Hunter are the only 2 conservatives in the race. Republican does not mean conservative at all anymore. All of them have been envoking the Reagan name like loser bush did but the only 2 decent conservatives are those i named... Romney, McCain, Giuliani, Huckabee = Bush=clinton=obama different flavors off the same fruit tree
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Reschke, with your post in mind, what are your thoughts about Huckabee's suggestion to change the constitution to God's will?
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
No, Fred is NOT tired. Fred is just calm and cool, he doesn't get wound up. He's ALWAYS been like that, for 30 years that I can remember.
LOL... paid attention to his words and not his wife.
I don't want another guy in the White House that can't give another country the respect of at least knowing it's name.
I’m afraid that the Soviet Union & China are not ever going to do anything that’s going to hurt them that badly but we need to ratchet those up if at all possible.
-Fred Thompson 3 October 2007
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Originally posted by Sandman
This will help you (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/member2.php?s=&action=addlist&userlist=ignore&userid=2678).
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Bringing the constitution in line with Gods will leads us back down the path of a Monarchy with the Monarch declaring his position inviolate and predetermined by the will of God as interprited by him and his High Ministers. This is why the framers constructed the constitution so genericly and basing it's power on the will of the people.
Huckabee has just given ammo to the Left's conspiricy theory wing to beleive Christianity is as evil as Islam. Thank you Huckabee. Before this the only problem with christians was their antiquated notion of good and evil along with the notion sex is between men and women, not children and adults, men and men, boys and gerbils, girls and girls, girls and toy poodles, etc...etc....
Thank you Huckabee for screwing the pooch on public television......noid
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Sandman,
Good gotcha......:aok
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
Thompson and Hunter are the only 2 conservatives in the race. Republican does not mean conservative at all anymore. All of them have been envoking the Reagan name like loser bush did but the only 2 decent conservatives are those i named... Romney, McCain, Giuliani, Huckabee = Bush=clinton=obama different flavors off the same fruit tree
Yup,edit: Hunter couldnt get on NBC news if he lit himself on fire:eek: >
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I clicked it... guess sandie is now on my ignore list? He is the first... And I didn't even get to choose.
lazs
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
I am interested to see how much the liberal media pounces on this. Democrats know that the only Republican Hillary can beat is Huckabee, and they need him to win the nomination.
:eek: i didnt know that!
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Originally posted by WWhiskey
:eek: i didnt know that!
Get friends that sit on the strategy groups for some Democrat house members. They're cheering on Huckabee because he doesn't have a chance in hell. They only candidate they're scared of is McCain. Nobody else has a chance of taking on Hillary or Obama.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Tell me, if a republican is nominated to the ticket who you find repugnant, you cannot endorse anything he says, and you're amazed that he's got the ticket, will you still vote for him just because he's Republican?
Nope. It would because he's not a democrat.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Reschke, with your post in mind, what are your thoughts about Huckabee's suggestion to change the constitution to God's will?
The only changes that should be made are to take it back to what was written originally according to the guidelines outline by this nations founding father's. Call me an idiot but if we can't live according to the basic laws outlined there by them then we as a nation are too stupid to continue as such.
"God's will" is an interesting statement. While I am a religious person and do have faith in God; I don't think that anyone human being should be bold enough to state that they know what "God's will" is. I certainly don't know what "God's will" is and I absolutely don't believe that Mike Huckabee knows what it is either. All we have to go by as Christians are written words that were passed down in a story format. Which is how most society's before the printing press and widespread education did it for thousands of years and we believe all the written historical documents we have found from other society's. I am sure that somewhere along the line "God's will" was expressed but who is to say for sure what that truly is or was.
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Originally posted by Reschke
The only changes that should be made are to take it back to what was written originally according to the guidelines outline by this nations founding father's. Call me an idiot but if we can't live according to the basic laws outlined there by them then we as a nation are too stupid to continue as such.
Damn straight. This country was far better before we started letting negroes and women vote.
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I like Huckabee, but our forefathers were wise men who didn't want to see that happen.
Actually Huckabee is too liberal for me. He is a great speaker and the rascal lost 100 lbs and kept it off.
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Originally posted by ROC
Still liking Fred, shame he won't get the nomination.
Huckabee was my main man until I learned a few more things about him.
He was wanting to give illegal aliens a free education and I can't remember what else. One thing I did like was that he wants the Fair Tax.
Can't vote Julianie, he favors abortion. I'm not sure about the rest of the candidates. I've only voted Democrat one time in my life and I see no worthy candidates. Barak might not be too bad of a person. I just don't like more big government programs.
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Originally posted by RedTop
:aok Me to...and it is ashame.
Any of the big 4 I guess you could call them on the Republican side...will be great for the democrats.
It will be left...or far left.
Either way....Conservatives....TRUE conservatives...are screwed and I think for the rest of my time. This election will pretty much set the course IMHO for the next several years. Future doesnt look bright to me.
Please define what a "true Republican conservative" is.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by bustr
Anyone stop to think Huckabee is a shill for the Dems. Even the Dems are rooting for Huckie to get the party nod. With crap like this large numbers of fence sitters will vote Dem and concervitives will stay home.
What truly is sad, is that people still vote by party politics, rather than individual integrity.
Many of the people here, are willing to compromise even on issues as important as illegal immigration, or foreign trade (NAFTA), so long as they can still vote with their party affiliation. There is no answer in the DNC or the GOP, as they both pretty much follow the same agenda. The day either party stops' worrying about nothing but election campaigns' and lobbyist money, I'll change my tune. until then, I don't see very many candidates that will actually change anything.
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frode.. not sure I understand your reasoning... if a person says "I am running as a democrat and this is what we believe" then you would need to say to yourself that a democrat is such and such.. same for republicans.. it would not matter what the guy said.. in the end.. he is a republican or a democrat.
If he really was a person who thought for himself then he would be neither.. he would be not belong to any party... soo.. it makes sense that if two parties have vastly different world views....
You need to vote party and the man has nothing to do with it.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
You need to vote party and the man has nothing to do with it.
lazs
And voting by party has got us... ? One party that's honest about what they're gonna do... raise taxes, increase socialism, and spend money... and another party that lies about what they're gonna do, increasing socialism and spending money.
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Originally posted by Sandman
This will help you (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/member2.php?s=&action=addlist&userlist=ignore&userid=2678).
I clicked the link thinking it was sending me to another thread... had to go through and remove you from the ignore list
Epic Fail by me
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Originally posted by MadMan
Epic Fail by me
Gawd, I hate this term. Even more than "pwned".
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FTW FTL!
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Michelle Malkin's idea of a Gop candidate:
I need a man. A man who can say "No." A man who rejects Big Nanny government. A man who thinks being president doesn't mean playing Santa Claus. A man who won't panic in the face of economic pain. A man who won't succumb to media-driven sob stories.
A man who can look voters, the media and the Chicken Littles in Congress in the eye and say the three words no one wants to hear in Washington: Suck. It. Up.
Economist Tyler Cowen points out the problem of predatory borrowing -- something you never hear politicians spotlight. He notes, "As much as 70 percent of recent early payment defaults had fraudulent misrepresentations on their original loan applications," according to research on more than three million loans done by BasePoint Analytics. "Many of the frauds were simple rather than ingenious. In some cases, borrowers who were asked to state their incomes just lied, sometimes reporting five times actual income; other borrowers falsified income documents by using computers. Too often, mortgage originators and middlemen looked the other way rather than slowing down the process or insisting on adequate documentation of income and assets. As long as housing prices kept rising, it didn't seem to matter."
Message to Washington: Stop treating every defaulting borrower like Mother Teresa.
Ann Coulter's view of Gop: Unluckily for McCain, snowstorms in Michigan suppressed the turnout among Democratic "Independents" who planned to screw up the Republican primary by voting for our worst candidate. Democrats are notoriously unreliable voters in bad weather. Instead of putting on galoshes and going to the polls, they sit on their porches waiting for FEMA to rescue them.
In contrast to Michigan's foul weather, New Hampshire was balmy on primary day, allowing McCain's base -- Democrats -- to come out and vote for him.
Assuming any actual Republicans are voting for McCain -- or for liberals' new favorite candidate for us, Mike Huckabee -- this column is for you.
.........One clue that Romney is our strongest candidate is the fact that Democrats keep viciously attacking him while expressing their deep respect for Mike Huckabee and John McCain.
This point was already extensively covered in Chapter 1 of "How To Talk to a Liberal (If You Must)": Never take advice from your political enemies.
link (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2008/01/16/wanted_a_suck_it_up_candidate) link (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/AnnCoulter/2008/01/16/the_elephant_in_the_room)
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Ok, I have an idea!
http://www.LouDobbsforPresident.org
He's like Ron Paul without the nutburgers;)
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Sounds like a lot of quibbles and infighting when all the government you need is outlined black on white in the Constitution.
Paul would probably match MM's idea except for his unheeding bent for politeness. He wouldn't say "suck it up" but instead say it positively, e.g. "be strong" or something.
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Originally posted by indy007
Get friends that sit on the strategy groups for some Democrat house members. They're cheering on Huckabee because he doesn't have a chance in hell. They only candidate they're scared of is McCain. Nobody else has a chance of taking on Hillary or Obama.
funny how the other side alway has the best candidate all lined up for us,i hate the talk show guys that say i would vote for so and so if i were a republican, no you would not but u think ill buy that garbage! what bussiness do they have telling me who they would vote for other than trying to influence my vote?
the hole election process has become such a joke and other than taxes nothing is going to change no matter who wins thanks to the lobbyists and interest groups!
right down all the promises they make you now and see for yourself in 5 years what has changed, nothing but your opinion of the outcome will be different.
the sign anyone but hillary is a salute to the fine men and women who serve this country they deserve better than her if for know other reason than the lack of respect she gives them!!!
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Originally posted by Chairboy
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_Amend_Constitution_to_meet_Gods_0115.html
"Huckabee: Amend Constitution to be in 'God's standards'"
Isn't it interesting the the only mention of religion in the constitution is it's exclusion from state politics?
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Isn't it interesting the the only mention of religion in the constitution is it's exclusion from state politics?
Where exactly do you find that religion is to be exlcuded from state politics?
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Originally posted by AKIron
Where exactly do you find that religion is to be exlcuded from state politics?
The USA is the only secular state in the world(as defined in it's constitution)..In the "First Ammendment"?
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Congress can't make laws respecting an establishment of religion. That certainly does not prohibit any member of congress acting on their own religious beliefs even to the point of making laws based on those personal beliefs. To the contrary, the second phrase guarantees them that right.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Congress can't make laws respecting an establishment of religion. That certainly does not prohibit any member of congress acting on their own religious beliefs even to the point of making laws based on those personal beliefs. To the contrary, the second phrase guarantees them that right.
You can't make laws establishing religion as state policy,but you are free to try..that is how i interpret it.
And that's what makes it so great.
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If we can agree that the first phrase only prevents congress from making laws respecting an establishment of religion we then need to agree on what constitutes "an establishment of religion". I take this as a specific body of organization and not neccessarily religion in general.
I think many have taken liberties with this amendment distorting it beyond recognition. It really is intended to be taken quite literally imo.
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Just means no "Church of America" kinda like England had and has. I love how people love to put things in it that arent there like the right to kill babies, but try to take out what is in there plainly written.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Just means no "Church of America" kinda like England had and has. I love how people love to put things in it that arent there like the right to kill babies, but try to take out what is in there plainly written.
I thought you had to pay a tax to the Church of England(compulsory tax)?