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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: eagl on January 15, 2008, 09:50:41 PM
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Anyone else see the coverage of the macbook air announcement?
Damn. Sweet design. The basic specs are pretty snazzy too. 1.6 or 1.8 ghz, 2 gig ram, decent size monitor, and best of all it has a full size keyboard. Yea the keys don't press down more than a couple milimeters, but who cares when the entire thing is about as thick as a typical sports illustrated magazine?
They are taking pre-orders now and they start shipping in 2 weeks.
The main weakness of the design seems to be the hard drive. The base model uses a 4200 rpm 80 gig 1.8" drive, which is probably going to be really slow. They offer a 64 gig SSD drive which should help performance, battery life, and prevent heat buildup, but... it's a $999 option (coupled with a slightly faster cpu.
I priced one of the nice ones out, complete with all the options I'd want... Just a tick under $4000. I won't be buying one but still... It's a very sweet looking machine.
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Sexy yes, but there are a few players out there with similar capabilities. Off the top of my head, the Toshiba Portege r500. It has a 64 Gig SSD, same processor, sunlight readable LCD, and is $3000 out the door, weighs 1.7 lbs, and is as thin if not thinner.
Yr paying for the cheese factor with the Apple.
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Its a cool gadget that will be very useful for some, but completly useless for others. It will sell as hell, but i think ill stay away. If it had been abit more square in some places and had a user replacable battery, disk and ram I would prolly have ordered one already.
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I haven't even got a IPod let alone spend 4k on the latest accessory item from Apple. Must be good for the share price though.
4k I could quit work and travel around Australia for a few months.
...-Gixer
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drool :aok
been waiting for my G4 powerbook to die for years now so I could get an intel macbook. unfortunately the bastid is so reliable and still runs current software at decent speed I may have to chuck it out of a window just to get a replacement :D
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if it's made by apple, it's over priced.
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explain?
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Will it be PC based too..... that is the only thing that is going to keep apple solvent. Would hate to see them for M$ to pony up more money to help Mac.
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I bet it runs XP better than a PC
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Will it be PC based too..... that is the only thing that is going to keep apple solvent. Would hate to see them for M$ to pony up more money to help Mac.
keep apple solvent?
pc based?
ms to poney up money?
that needs some explaining :lol
lmao
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Originally posted by Nilsen
that needs some explaining :lol
Agreed...
Seeing any version of WinBlows is a cheap, non-functional knock-off of Apple's OS anyway....
I own 4, nothing better.
(And, yes, LePaul, they run XP MUCH better than any PC I've ever had/built)
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I'm typing this on a macbook pro and each day I use it another hair drops off my head.. permanently.
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so now old age can be blamed on apple too? :rofl
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Originally posted by REP0MAN
And, yes, LePaul, they run XP MUCH better than any PC I've ever had/built
Macs are - essentially - PCs these days.
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and have always been
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Every time you give Steve Jobs a dollar, God kills a kitten.
Really, I swear!
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...and every time you give Bill Gates a dollar, Steve Balmer eats a kitten
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That's why I fly my Ubuntu flag.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
That's why I fly my Ubuntu flag.
how is ah working for ya under ubuntu?
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ubuntu/macos its all Unix, its all good :aok
seriously though apple laptops have been the best for years, throw in macosx and the ability to run windoze and they are unbeatable.
as for cost, well TCO of my powerbook in 5 years about £2600, TCO of my brothers series of Toshiba, Sony, Compaq and HP laptops over 5 years about £6500. i'll take the "cheesy" and "over priced" option thanks.
o yeah and when was the last time a woman ran her fingers over your pc notebook and went "ooooo thats nice". several times. i'm not kidding. :D
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Originally posted by REP0MAN
Agreed...
Seeing any version of WinBlows is a cheap, non-functional knock-off of Apple's OS anyway....
I own 4, nothing better.
(And, yes, LePaul, they run XP MUCH better than any PC I've ever had/built)
Right.
OS X is just BSD with a pretty *32 bit* gui slapped on top (with most of its indeas knocked off from previous os's such as os/2, amiga workbench, x-windows, and 3rd party plugs).
Apples should run xp well, it is hardware DESIGNED for windows after all (made in the same factory as sony vaio's, asus, and hp laptops).
Meanwhile apples latest laptop looks like a knock off of the intel metro prototype: http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/24/intels-metro-laptop-prototype-is-worlds-thinnest/
edit: so macbook air has no ethernet port, no dvd/optical drive.... and its overall bigger than toshiba's and sony's slimline models (with ethernet and dvds). NO pc card slot and no built in 3G. No removeable battery (apart from taking the unit apart).
LOL macbook fail more like.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Its a cool gadget that will be very useful for some, but completly useless for others. It will sell as hell, but i think ill stay away. If it had been abit more square in some places and had a user replacable battery, disk and ram I would prolly have ordered one already.
Did you notice he was wearing a black turtleneck? I bet if you got close he'd stink of cappuccino and biscotti.
:cool:,
Wab
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He always wears that :D
now.. whats wrong with a cap and a biscotti?????? :cool:
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Originally posted by RTHolmes
o yeah and when was the last time a woman ran her fingers over your pc notebook and went "ooooo thats nice". several times. i'm not kidding. :D
Errr actually when I had a Sony R505 and a an Asus W1 both got that.
My current Asus W5 is pretty nice as well, especially given Asus make macbooks anyway, and I can run OS X Leopard on it under VM Player if I wanted.
Sorry what were you saying about unbeatable?
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Originally posted by 68Wooley
Macs are - essentially - PCs these days.
Why? Because they put an intel chip inside and made it able to run winders for the common sense challenged that can't operate a clearly superior OS in OSX? Can any IBM-esque/ Windows platform PeeCee run a MAC product other than the iTunes version written specifically for it?
I like Linux and Ubuntu as well, great OS's. Just can't stand Windows or anything that has anything to do with Micro$haft.
Joke of 2007? Vista :rofl
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BSOD<----Pwns Windows :(
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Windows don't care....
BSOD: <------Owns you
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Honestly, Ive never liked Apple OS's. Used one about 5 years ago, which was alright (forget which it was now...), but I didn't 'love it' and it certainly wasnt any better (to me) than Windows. Used another Mac OS (think it was OSX?) because my school district decided they wanted to spend thousands of dollars on shiny new computers for the art departments at my school. The 2 they installed I got to use. It was kind of a novelty thing (it was cool because it wasnt Windows, what Ive used my entire life) but it seemed very un-functonal. It also seemed EXTREMELY disfunctional when it started crashing after about a half an hour's use (consistently). Honestly, just trying to USE a Mac OS, it just doesnt make sense. Thats probably just because Im not looking at the right place, because Im used to Windows, but I honestly like everything about Windows much better. Especially IE. I hate Safari or whatever they call it.
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Firefox is the best on either OS.
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Originally posted by REP0MAN
Why? Because they put an intel chip inside and made it able to run winders for the common sense challenged that can't operate a clearly superior OS in OSX? Can any IBM-esque/ Windows platform PeeCee run a MAC product other than the iTunes version written specifically for it?
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Joke of 2007? Vista :rofl
Because it is a chipset and hardware designed and developed for the PC (Windows) market, not for the mac market. Apple are now entirely reliant on what the pc market does for their new hardware.
Yes I can OS X on my Windows laptop in a VM Ware session. See the picture below.
Joke of 2007? not just vista, try leopard as well. It is full of bugs, and the many FULLY QUALIFIED ENTERPRISE MAC engineers I work with refuse to deploy it in its current state. Also worth noting is the problems with the mac update server going on at the moment, I understand on US apple client clocked up 320Gb of internet traffic over the xmas break with the update corruption issues.
Now two pictures...
First OS X running on my laptop:
(http://renaissance.xtreme.net.nz/ms/vmmac.jpg)
Second BSOD on a mac (aka Brown Screen of Death aka Kernel Panic):
(http://renaissance.xtreme.net.nz/ms/applebsod2.jpg)
Questions?
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Yeah Leopard sucks totally maybe that's why I hate mac. I've never used anything else. Btw. looks like the new macbook is another iphone -> a neutered version of a tool that sacrifices functionality for style.
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Now, can you do that without the emulator?
Leopard is not without it's flaws. I never said it wasn't. I merely made the comment that Vista is a POS. And, all of the "FULLY QUALIFIED IT ENGINEERS" that I work with won't deploy it. I can handle the few bugs of Leopard on a far superior OS Platform in a much better made, working and looking laptop/desktop. I'm not much for beta-testing Micro$aft's newest OSX copy anyhow.
Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Yeah Leopard sucks totally maybe that's why I hate mac. I've never used anything else. Btw. looks like the new macbook is another iphone -> a neutered version of a tool that sacrifices functionality for style.
What's your issue with the iPhone? Mine works like a champ. Takes better pics than my digital camera, phone works far better than the Samsung T509 and Blackberry I had before it and the WiFi makes the browser zing. Edge network leaves much to be desired but that's hardly Apple or the iPhone's fault. Oh, I forgot to mention; battery life in my iPhone is perfect. Use the MP3 player most of the day with moderate phone usage (1-3hours a day use), heavy web browser use and still have 1/4 battery life left when it hits the charger at night.
Is it possible you got TWO bad pieces of hardware from Apple? Will they give you a refund or exchange for a working model? /sarcasm
:aok
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Ive used my 12" powerbook daily now (without reinstalling the os) since 2005 and never have had any of those error messages and crashes that the mac "sceptics" always seem to find. Granted its a dated os (panther) but still. Its not perfect by any means but great. The G4 cpu and the architecture of the G4 is not very snappy at todays standard but i have a feeling it will keep on going for another 5-10 years without the need for reinstalls and fixing.
That beeing said, im one of those that never can seem to crash windows either. I must be very lucky or maybe i just dont click on every link i can find and install beta versions of drivers and other software all the time.
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oh dear vulcan, so many inaccuracies I just dont know where to start.
lets start with the BSOD screenies. who would expect panics when running under emulation :rolleyes: i mean I could load up VPC and XP on my powerbook, I guarantee it wont last an hour without a panic. we're talking about running oses natively here. which for MacOS only Macs can. hence unbeatable.
in the dictionary under "irony" it says "see vulcan's 2nd screeny". can you tell me who wrote the software in the frontmost window that caused the kernel panic? cant quite make it out. :rofl
"just BSD" just? if you have evidence that ANY post-DOS MS os is more reliable than any flavour of Unix i would just love to see it (unless its from MS themselves of course.)
"pretty GUI" > "ugly GUI"
Leopard is a 64bit OS which also runs 32bit apps. All in the same box (XP 64bit anyone? thought not.)
Apple hardware is designed by Apple. It uses some chips designed and manufactured by others. like "PC" companies do. CPUs dont run windows, they run instruction sets.
if cpus are so optimised to run MS product then why does (heavily hacked, non-optimised, designed for Intel-only OSx86) Leopard run way more responsively than XP on my AMD system?
as for reliability and useability, I could post an example of jaw-dropping ineptitude in XP every day for the next year.
:D
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Originally posted by RTHolmes
oh dear vulcan, so many inaccuracies I just dont know where to start.
lets start with the BSOD screenies. who would expect panics when running under emulation :rolleyes: i mean I could load up VPC and XP on my powerbook, I guarantee it wont last an hour without a panic. we're talking about running oses natively here. which for MacOS only Macs can. hence unbeatable.
in the dictionary under "irony" it says "see vulcan's 2nd screeny". can you tell me who wrote the software in the frontmost window that caused the kernel panic? cant quite make it out. :rofl
"just BSD" just? if you have evidence that ANY post-DOS MS os is more reliable than any flavour of Unix i would just love to see it (unless its from MS themselves of course.)
"pretty GUI" > "ugly GUI"
Leopard is a 64bit OS which also runs 32bit apps. All in the same box (XP 64bit anyone? thought not.)
Apple hardware is designed by Apple. It uses some chips designed and manufactured by others. like "PC" companies do. CPUs dont run windows, they run instruction sets.
if cpus are so optimised to run MS product then why does (heavily hacked, non-optimised, designed for Intel-only OSx86) Leopard run way more responsively than XP on my AMD system?
as for reliability and useability, I could post an example of jaw-dropping ineptitude in XP every day for the next year.
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Ummm, perhaps you should look closer before putting your foot in your mouth. Feel stupid now? You should. The panic screenie is running native on a macbook. I've also seen safari cause kernel panics, and other apps. Are the software vendors ALL wrong except apple?
Leopard is still a 32 bit OS, the GUI is 32 bit. There are underlying BSD libraries that a 64 bit, bit the GUI and any GUI based apps are 32 bit.
Yes just BSD, in fact BSD with some out of date libraries in apples case.
It is not apple hardware apart from what ports and shell the put on it. The chipset is designed for windows market, intel do not design their chipsets and cpu's for 3% of the market, the design it for the other 97%. Enjoying your stay with the cult of jobs?
Maybe you set XP up wrong. I run 3 PC's, XP is responsive, quick, nice to use on all 3, it doesn't BSOD either.
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XP Pro is rock solid on my machine, as well. It's a shame MS will not support it in a couple of years time.
The iPhone is style over substance. Anyone who claims that it has a better camera than a standalone digital camera really does need to keep off the cider (pun intended).
I hate how Apple have a policy of using non-replaceable batteries in their products. There are no end of complaints about this from people with a dead product because of faulty battery.
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I'm trying to figure this out. You guys run OSx...and yr on a flight simulation bbs. You can't even run 95% of the software for this specific purpose, and don't start to preach about running paralles. Its a half assed solution and won't change.
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Originally posted by Wolfala
I'm trying to figure this out. You guys run OSx...and yr on a flight simulation bbs. You can't even run 95% of the software for this specific purpose, and don't start to preach about running paralles. Its a half assed solution and won't change.
Its a typical display of the cult-of-jobs.
Up to mac os 9 anything *nix or with a shell or CLI sucked. OS X came out and suddenly shells and cli's are cool.
Up to last year intel processors sucked, ppc processors were faster better etc etc (I think the term used was wintel). Then all of sudden intel architecture is good.
Apparently apple have invented everything idea in a gui, despite the fact I can dig up 8 or 9 year old screenies of amiga workbench with docks, widgets, and so forth (interesting OS, based on *nix, with a nice gui, sound familiar? it could also run mac and pc apps inside it....in the 1990s).
Apparently, apple make the best hardware. Despite the fact their notebooks come out of the same factory as Asus, Sony, and HP. But of course should anything fail - like a battery catching fire - then thats obviously sony's fault.
Remember when PC's sucked because they didn't have firewire? And everybody should have firewire because USB sucks? Oh wait we've changed our minds you no longer need firewire Steve says usb only is ok.
And of course there are no virus's or malware on mac's, and mac's never ever ever get hacked. However if they did get hacked thats probably the fault of non-apple written apps such as apache and sendmail.
So now we have a notebook for the cult-of-jobs. It's slim, but so far only .01 of inch slimmer than current pc notebooks (plus a few old ones). And it does this at the cost of a dvd drive, firewire ports, usb ports (1 is not enough), removable battery, pc card slot (yay no 3g mobility), whereas the lg/toshiba'/dell slimline equivilants do this at close to the same thickness AND lighter without sacrificing these features.
But I'm sure the cult-of-jobs lot like repoman and RTHolmes will willingly hand over cash for one as any cultee should :)
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laptops are ancient history.
http://store.shopfujitsu.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=ST5100&ptype=TB
this baby rocks.
i'd buy one if it had the ability of a gaming laptop (aka better vid card and stand alone ram).
but for anything else besides gaming or video editing..this is one sick puppy imo.
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Originally posted by Wolfala
I'm trying to figure this out. You guys run OSx...and yr on a flight simulation bbs. You can't even run 95% of the software for this specific purpose, and don't start to preach about running paralles. Its a half assed solution and won't change.
That's funny Wolfala. I can make a half dozen mouse clicks and have AH2 running just peachy on my iMac. I can do everything I need to do from right here. No PeeCee involved. Should HTC make a MAC version, I would have no need for XP polluting my MAC via boot camp.
You're right Vulcan. No viruses, no spyware, no malware, no punks trying to port sniff my machine. It's nice not to have to rely on a 3rd party to secure my machine. No daily updates to virus definitions, no extra processes clogging down my CPU. It sure sux to be in the 3% :p
Glad I'm not in that "Cult-of Gates". Now, where's my far superior cell phone and laptop; I think I'll go and put some new tunes on for the trip to Oklahoma on Monday.
:D :aok
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Originally posted by REP0MAN
You're right Vulcan. No viruses, no spyware, no malware, no punks trying to port sniff my machine. It's nice not to have to rely on a 3rd party to secure my machine. No daily updates to virus definitions, no extra processes clogging down my CPU. It sure sux to be in the 3% :p
Glad I'm not in that "Cult-of Gates". Now, where's my far superior cell phone and laptop; I think I'll go and put some new tunes on for the trip to Oklahoma on Monday.
:D :aok
I was being sarcastic, there is malware and virus's for the mac. Not many mind you. The latest malware being a DNS hijacker. But what can you do about it, you have no 3rd party products to help clean it out if you do get it huh. Mac's get hacked all the time, usually over-representitive of their market share, and that includes the odd apple run server (see zone-h statistics on hacking by platform). Whoopsie looks like another cultee with his foot in his mouth :D
Superior cellphone? Does your iphone have A2DP Stereo Bluetooth support yet? Thought not :)
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6 clicks to run AH? Wow, I have...lets count...1.
And same with every other program. You can run XP on 100 megs of ram if you know what to turn off, and running AH isn't a real test - since its designed to run on machines 6 years older then the current state.
I love OSX - don't get me wrong - I use it on a daily basis - but could you run Longbow 2 from the late 90s on your box? How about while running Glide, that little 3dfx doodad they used back when graphics cards were coming into puberty.
An aside, you can run AH - do you play AH in the MA? If the answer is no, then its a moot point because the utility of what you have demonstrated has little value.
If yes - start running FRAPS so we can all see how it works on your end and post it up on youtube or Photobucket, along with the instructions on how you configured things to get it running on your side. Bet there are plenty of OSX lurkers in the background who would love to get wet.
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Hmm I can sense a fit of cultee-denial coming, I'm guessing you don't have a zone-h login so I'll post a screen for you, note the highlighted red boxes....
(http://renaissance.xtreme.net.nz/ms/machack.jpg)
If you cultees are wondering what these are, these are mac servers that have been comprimised and defaced, on the left are times TODAY.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
If you cultees are wondering what these are, these are mac Servers that have been comprimised and defaced, on the left are times TODAY.
Last I checked, my iMac, MacBook Pro, iBook and G5 are not servers. I guess I can hold off on the foot eating. :)
Wolfala, yes, I play in the MA's although, not very much lately. Have been too busy to play much. I've set up SEA events and run several FSO's from right here. I do not use Fraps. I'll look into the download for ya. There is another user here that is on the 24" iMac with Intel chips. His posts helped me. His name escapes me though. It's all still very new technology really. Well, not really new, just a new way to use it. It's not 100% but it allows me to play without a peecee on my desk and that speaks volumes for me. COD2 is another game I am heavily involved in and there is a version written for MAC. It runs very well in single and multi-player environments.
"but could you run Longbow 2 from the late 90s on your box? How about while running Glide, that little 3dfx doodad they used back when graphics cards were coming into puberty. "
Why would I need to? I have everything I need without playing 18 year old games. I guess it is necessary to note that I am a musician and I use my G5 and MacBook Pro for music recording and performing. I started on MACs in the 7th grade in 1987 and have just never really been impressed with anything else. I have the money to buy them and the knowledge to operate them effectively for what I need to accomplish. I don't want to sound like I am better for having a different preference. :)
:aok
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Originally posted by REP0MAN
Last I checked, my iMac, MacBook Pro, iBook and G5 are not servers. I guess I can hold off on the foot eating. :)
No no, you still need to eat it. There is malware, virus's, etc for your iMac, MacBook Pro, and G5, as I said not as much as with windows, but its still out there :) . I was pointing out the servers in response to port scanning and hacking. The latest malware for your desktops is known as dnschanger.
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If you have filesharing on your mac it's a server.
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Sweet. Post some caps up in the hardware forum so others can follow your config.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Ummm, perhaps you should look closer before putting your foot in your mouth. Feel stupid now? You should. The panic screenie is running native on a macbook. I've also seen safari cause kernel panics, and other apps. Are the software vendors ALL wrong except apple?
sorry your not going to dodge this one, so i'll spell it out for ya. the 2nd screeny shows a powerbook running osx. it has had a kernel panic. the frontmost window is Internet Explorer. This was written by Microsoft. as it is the frontmost window, and focused, and explorer was built using carbon not cocoa, it is very reasonable to assume that the app written by MS caused the panic. you understand my irony comment now?
I personally own a mac and a "pc". daily i use XP, OSX, Suse and Fedora. They all have pros and cons. OSX isnt perfect, but in my experience it is superior to XP in many respects.
you seem pretty determined to trash apple here. are you prepared to even admit that there may be better server oses out there than MS product? I smell cultism here, but its not based in Cupertino.
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Originally posted by RTHolmes
sorry your not going to dodge this one, so i'll spell it out for ya. the 2nd screeny shows a powerbook running osx. it has had a kernel panic. the frontmost window is Internet Explorer. This was written by Microsoft. as it is the frontmost window, and focused, and explorer was built using carbon not cocoa, it is very reasonable to assume that the app written by MS caused the panic. you understand my irony comment now?
I personally own a mac and a "pc". daily i use XP, OSX, Suse and Fedora. They all have pros and cons. OSX isnt perfect, but in my experience it is superior to XP in many respects.
you seem pretty determined to trash apple here. are you prepared to even admit that there may be better server oses out there than MS product? I smell cultism here, but its not based in Cupertino.
Don't try and change your story. You specifically fingered emulation as the cause for the kernel panic, let me refresh your memory:
"lets start with the BSOD screenies. who would expect panics when running under emulation i mean I could load up VPC and XP on my powerbook, I guarantee it wont last an hour without a panic...."
I've seen plenty of other software cause kernel panics on OS X. Or are you saying mac owners should not run 3rd party apps? Lets not forget the multitude of bugs/exploit vectors itunes, quicktime, and safari introduced in their windows versions.
I just get tired of mac owners who think the sun shines out of steve jobs backside. The comment about BSODs was fired first remember. I've seen the same thing over and over, mac person disses windows, someone pipes up who knows what they're talking about, produces facts,screenies, undenyable evidence, mac crowd calls him a hater.
Lets look at the lies which cultees of jobs like to throw down and then you look at this thread for how many you can see:
- macs don't crash like windows (bsod) FALSE
- macs don't have virus's FALSE
- macs don't have malware FALSE
- macs don't get hacked FALSE
- you can't run OS X on a grey pc box FALSE
- apple invented all those cool gui features (ie innovators) FALSE
- mac hardware is somehow 'better'(faster etc) FALSE
Every single time a mac thread comes up some mac weenie is standing in line to make these claims... I got sick of it, so I make a point of educating the cultee's. Some don't like the cold truth being exposed to daylight. FWIW , I've used many OS's over the years, from cpm onwards. I'm no ms junkie.
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jeez.
I very specifically fingered MS Internet Explorer as the probable cause of the kernel panic in screeny 2.
I also separately suggested that screeny 1 wasn't appropriate because it was running under emulation.
i even put them in different paragraphs so you wouldn't be confused...
just out of interest, in your vast experience of owning, using and administering both OSes, have you found anything at all that macs do even slightly better than windows pcs?
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Macs automate functions that you do not want automated far better than pc's. It flips windows and cuts text for me even when I don't want to. It's smarter than me.
Having said that, some presentation and A/V softwares for mac blow the pc away. Other than that it's just royally annoying, especially bugs in Leopard. Yesterday I was fighting at a client with parallel desktop - typing e brought up the login screen, typing n flipped window etc. Turns out parallels gets crazy if mac goes into rest while its open.
Well at least the client had fun with me.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Lets look at the lies which cultees of jobs like to throw down and then you look at this thread for how many you can see:
- macs don't crash like windows (bsod) FALSE
- macs don't have virus's FALSE
- macs don't have malware FALSE
- macs don't get hacked FALSE
- you can't run OS X on a grey pc box FALSE
- apple invented all those cool gui features (ie innovators) FALSE
- mac hardware is somehow 'better'(faster etc) FALSE
As it is impossible for me to speak on behalf of every MAC or PC user in the world, I will only speak (as I have been all along) on my own experiences.
Every Windows machine I've owned, pre-made or built, has crashed to the point of reformat. I've reformatted HDDs so many times due to malicious software inbedded in "safe" software or Active X and Java controls that I've thought about marketing a HDD reformat gizmo. I made really good money when I was a Field Technician for the ISP I work for cleaning spyware/malware from customers machines on my days off. Never had to do it with my Apple products nor had a customer with Apple products ask me to do it.
You could run OSX on a grey PC box. Heck I think it would work on one of those fancy blue ones with the cool lights. Oh, don't forget your emulator!
"Apple invented all those cool gui features" This is indeed false. Apple USERS created those and the fine people at Apple made them better and incorporated them into their OS. What have Windows users created that has become part of the Windows OS? Dis-functionality? Does Micro$oft have a community like THIS (http://developer.apple.com/)
I don't know who is faster. Frankly I don't care. If you want speed, spend the bucks. Either one has speed. Better? Yes. Far superior to be precise. Ease of use, better looking, safer, functionality and just better. Remember now, it's MY opinion and no matter how much you despise Steve Job and the cute little Apple symbol, you aren't going to be able to change my experiences. I love the debate though. :)
:aok
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Originally posted by REP0MAN
Every Windows machine I've owned, pre-made or built, has crashed to the point of reformat.
<< never had a crash to the point of reformat, you must be "unlucky" >>
I've reformatted HDDs so many times due to malicious software
I made really good money when I was a Field Technician for the ISP I work for cleaning spyware/malware from customers machines on my days off.
you had to clean up spyware/malware by reformating?
i just had one of the household computers pick up a really bad trojan (running without virus protection), i used a free malware killer, it found it and killed it. It took about 18 min and the software did all the work.
PS. i'm not a computer expert.
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Originally posted by REP0MAN
As it is impossible for me to speak on behalf of every MAC or PC user in the world, I will only speak (as I have been all along) on my own experiences.
Every Windows machine I've owned, pre-made or built, has crashed to the point of reformat. I've reformatted HDDs so many times due to malicious software inbedded in "safe" software or Active X and Java controls that I've thought about marketing a HDD reformat gizmo. I made really good money when I was a Field Technician for the ISP I work for cleaning spyware/malware from customers machines on my days off. Never had to do it with my Apple products nor had a customer with Apple products ask me to do it.
You could run OSX on a grey PC box. Heck I think it would work on one of those fancy blue ones with the cool lights. Oh, don't forget your emulator!
"Apple invented all those cool gui features" This is indeed false. Apple USERS created those and the fine people at Apple made them better and incorporated them into their OS. What have Windows users created that has become part of the Windows OS? Dis-functionality? Does Micro$oft have a community like THIS (http://developer.apple.com/)
I don't know who is faster. Frankly I don't care. If you want speed, spend the bucks. Either one has speed. Better? Yes. Far superior to be precise. Ease of use, better looking, safer, functionality and just better. Remember now, it's MY opinion and no matter how much you despise Steve Job and the cute little Apple symbol, you aren't going to be able to change my experiences. I love the debate though. :)
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In my 20+ years of IT experience I've never had to reformat one of my own pc's because of malware. I've owned everything from 8088 pc's through to what we have with now, sprinkled with the odd systems inbetween, running os's like dos, geos, os/2 warp, etc.
Emulator? It's no emulator, it's vmware. Maybe you should look vmware up to understand its function a little better. Besides I've have a grey box version of leopard that will run native if so needed (google ToH Leopard x86).
Apple users created gui features? Get real LOL. I suppose you believe the hype totallly...
look at this screenie:
(http://jair.altervista.org/news/cutenews/data/upimages/WorkbenchOS4.jpg)
and this one:
(http://www.geofront.co.uk/mac/aos4wb2.jpg)
Wow, whats that a 1990's OS with all the features you apple users 'invented'? Docks, and widgets, etc. Wait, its a multithreaded multitasking os based on unix? Wow, that sounds familiar.
Yeah, apple, innovative :rolleyes: