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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKIron on January 15, 2008, 09:53:54 PM
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Doesn't have quite the same ring as "I like Ike" but whaddaya think? Does a mormon have a real shot at the presidency?
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Originally posted by AKIron
Doesn't have quite the same ring as "I like Ike" but whaddaya think? Does a mormon have a real shot at the presidency?
With the miles upon miles of underground bunkers with food and water to sustain all of Utah's mormon population (well, the "elite" mormon population) in case of nukes? Probably not....;)
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My Dad said he wouldn't vote for him because he was a mormon, even though he himself hasn't been to church in 60 years. I told him he shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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I think Mitt has some serious questions to answer regarding being a leading member of a formerly racist organization...The leader having a "revelation from God"(that blacks were ok) just before the passing of the bill of rights.
And anyone who states publicly during presidential race that the "President should be a man of faith" is whack.
i agree with most of his platform though.
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I could care less whether he was a Mormon or not. Doesn't make a difference to me...
If he doesn't get the nomination, I don't think it will be because he is a Mormon, rather, the fact that he comes off as a salamander.
I don't know how it is elsewhere, but most Republicans I talk to here in Connecticut can't stomache his personality.
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By faith I assume you mean in the hereafter Sirloin. Which man do you suppose would be more responsible? The man who believes there is a higher authority to which he must eventually answer or the man who believes he is his own authority and when he dies is absolved of all responsibility?
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It's been established through precedent that being a moron is not only not a disqualifier but it seems to be more and more a preferred trait amongst many voters, regarding their candidate of choice (if not themselves, as well).
Oh .... wait ... nevermind. (Ala Emily Natilda) ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
It's been established through precedent that being a moron is not only not a disqualifier but it seems to be more and more a preferred trait amongst many voters, regarding their candidate of choice (if not themselves, as well).
Oh .... wait ... nevermind. (Ala Emily Natilda) ;)
If there was ever any doubt Bill Clinton proved that beyond question.
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Originally posted by AKIron
If there was ever any doubt Bill Clinton proved that beyond question.
Examples vary, as does mileage. Bill didn't break the bank or pressure intelligence to provide only the intel he wanted to hear .... but the blow-jarb sure affected my personal quality of life, the security of the state and the condition of the military. That being the case, I can think of worse. Ahem. ;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
Which man do you suppose would be more responsible? The man who believes there is a higher authority to which he must eventually answer or the man who believes he is his own authority and when he dies is absolved of all responsibility?
A man who's morality is based on scriptures written(by man) over 2000 years ago vs a man who's morality is based on his own beliefs(examining & interpreting science/society)..Who is more likely to do more harm than good?
Bad people do bad things..Good people try and do good things.
To get a good person to do a truly wicked thing,that takes religion.
For example.."Mother" Teresa...went around the world as a sort of moral fig-leaf for the Vatican..Preaching to Africans that AIDS is bad,but condoms are worse.Millions who listened and had faith in her words no doubt contracted AIDS and died a horrible death..In the 1990's she was sent (by the vatican) to Ireland to try and stop a constitutional amendment/referendum that would have legalized divorce(she failed).She would rather a woman be stuck in an abusive/alcoholic household than for her to be able to escape.
BTW,in her memoirs(near the end of her life) she declared she had no faith or belief in God.I can give you an exact quote if you like(i will look it up).
If she can't bring herself to believe it,why should anyone else?..Which brings us back to Mitt declaring the President "should be a person of faith"
"Faith" being defined in the dictionary as"the firm belief in something for which there is no evidence or proof"...
So by definition "Faith" is irrational...And so Mitt's statement is both irrational & irresponsible.
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I am wary of mormons....they tried to abduct me once.
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I can only think of one concept the morons. err MORMONS got right...;)
What did I say the plural of spouse was again?
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I'd be wary of anyone who chose to vote in this election for Mitt, either-
1) Not knowing exactly what Mormons believe or...
2) Believing that Clinton's BJ was just that, like something you forget about on a frat party Saturday night.
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I would never vote for anyone who belongs to a group who rings my doorbell at 9am.
Unless they are bringing me a package or a pizza.
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Really... really? The f***in presidential elections and that's what you post?;)
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If you like a flipflopper, vote mitt. The guy is pure politician to the core, say what he has to to get votes and never accept resposibility. Blame what happened on someone else and then take credit when good things happen. You cannot believe a word he says, he is a man you cannot trust.
I would rather have another term of GW(I know, can't), seriously, at least I know what I am getting
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Originally posted by SirLoin
"Faith" being defined in the dictionary as"the firm belief in something for which there is no evidence or proof"...
So by definition "Faith" is irrational...And so Mitt's statement is both irrational & irresponsible.
So you are saying that all people that are part of a religion that have aspect of faith are irrational & irresponsible? That would put any person that believes in God or higher power in the same boat. I personnally don't factor a persons religion into the equation. I am more interested in voting for someone that can keep taxes the same or lower them, and hopefully cut spending as well. Mitt might fit that bill.
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Originally posted by BigGun
So you are saying that all people that are part of a religion that have aspect of faith are irrational & irresponsible?
Yes & no.
The irresponsibility is Mitt"s in his statement that you have to be a beleiver to be president.
The irrationality applies to people of faith in their belief of a celestial "dictator",who watches over you 24/7 from the day you were born(actually..the day you were conceived)..and that you are in debt to God for other people's sins before you were even born...and beleive it's more important to search the planet for Moses's burning bush(instead of looking upwards with the Hubble telescope) for answers to where our species came from..
If the Bible was the literal word of God(it isn't..if you want examples np),and it was all true(read the testaments)..then we are truly living Hell on Earth where the good stuff only starts to happen after you die.
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Why not try
"Mitt...he gives a *****".
Better than the sorry old slogan you came up with. ;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
Doesn't have quite the same ring as "I like Ike" but whaddaya think? Does a mormon have a real shot at the presidency?
I'd like him a whole lot more if I could figure out which side of his mouth he's talking. The guy flip flops more than Hillary, for cryin out loud. He'll condradict his last speach if it makes his next speach appealing to that audience.
At this point, someone will say.."That's what politicians do..."
And I say to you... "FK that. This is America... show some balls."
When did it become O.K. to settle? You really are sheep if you feel that it's ok for politicians to lie and cheat their way to office. If it has become acceptable to do so... our "democracy" has died, and has been replaced by farce.
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speech. lol... got me fuming.
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Originally posted by Curval
Why not try
"Mitt...he gives a *****".
Better than the sorry old slogan you came up with. ;)
I like that. May have to tweak it a bit.
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Originally posted by BigGun
So you are saying that all people that are part of a religion that have aspect of faith are irrational & irresponsible? That would put any person that believes in God or higher power in the same boat. I personnally don't factor a persons religion into the equation. I am more interested in voting for someone that can keep taxes the same or lower them, and hopefully cut spending as well. Mitt might fit that bill.
This is the irresponsibility of the average American citizen. Lower taxes above all else... me me me.
Meanwhile, National Debt has reached all time records, even adjusted for inflation.
Our national infrastructure is falling apart. A damn squirrel blacked out the east coast for a coupla days a few years ago... anyone remember that? ONE SQUIRREL.
Oh and the nation's bridges have been consistently getting horrible report cards... but yeah.. I want to take money away from them so you can have a bigger fluff'n TV in your living room. You can watch that bridge collapse on a 90" 1080p though.
Instead of making the "homeland" (cough cough cough.. kinda sounds like the "Fatherland" of this century) better and more secure... we waste countless trillions of dollars to go to war against an enemy which you only create more of by being there. Pure stupidity.
Taxes suck... very true. I hate them... but that's also what builds my roads and provides me with services which enable me to LIVE.
I'm all for taxes staying the same... but government waste and spending go down. Republicans suposedly believe in smaller government... yet this administration has increased the size of government year after year. Cut down the governmental size.. keep taxes where they are and FIX THE FRACKIN COUNTRY.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
... we waste countless trillions of dollars to go to war against an enemy which you only create more of by being there. Pure stupidity.
How does killing radical militant Islamist's increase their number?..can you draw me a diagram?
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Originally posted by SD67
I can only think of one concept the morons. err MORMONS got right...;)
What did I say the plural of spouse was again?
Spice
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ok, new slogan for Romney thanks to Curval
Vote for Mitt, he's the s***.
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well.. for once moray and I may not be too far off...
I am all for taxes going down too but.. roads have nothing to do with it.. If we took the taxes that are extorted from us for roads we would have gold plated roads.
I am also for less spending like he says. Someone needs to look at a spending pie chart tho. it isn't on roads or.. on anything I feel they need to take my money for except the tiny amount used on the court systems say and defense..
Defense is too high too tho. we could cut it down.. problem is.. when democrats get in the cut defense but they sure as hell don't use the money to build roads.. they start some new socialist program that grows forever and eats an even bigger chunk of the pie.
there is nothing at all selfish about wanting lower taxes and decreasing the size of government... it is an essential component of liberty.
lazs
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The only perfect candidate would be me but I ain't runnin'. Therefore it's about compromise. A matter of picking the candidate that most closely matches your ideals.
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If you ran I'd hafta run against you because I don't think so. ;)
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I will vote for him. I was nearly 90% sure I would vote for John McCain late last year, but the more I listened, the more I liked Romney. I guess I trust an honest businessman more than I do a politician. I eventually dropped McCain and was divided between the two Governors, Romney and Huckabee. The fears I have over the economy right now tell me to consider the candidate with the best experience in making businesses work. Romney is the best pick for me right now; he is a refreshing change over the career politicians.
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Originally posted by TracerX
I will vote for him. I was nearly 90% sure I would vote for John McCain late last year, but the more I listened, the more I liked Romney. I guess I trust an honest businessman more than I do a politician. I eventually dropped McCain and was divided between the two Governors, Romney and Huckabee. The fears I have over the economy right now tell me to consider the candidate with the best experience in making businesses work. Romney is the best pick for me right now; he is a refreshing change over the career politicians.
I heard the same argument for whatisface, with the big ears...(attack of CRS)...
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Originally posted by TracerX
Romney is the best pick for me right now; he is a refreshing change over the career politicians.
he is a politician , his dad was a politician, they are all politicians, you can't raise that kind of money to run for office unless you are a politician.
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Mitt is a slick salesman....
I do not want a slick salesman as my commander-in-chief.
I want a commander-in-chief who's resume includes something better than "I was a governor, and a guy who ran a corporation".
I want a president with nads so big they walk funny, and cheese***** like Putin, Iran's Achmood I'mattentionpotato, and the North Korean fruitcake look at and re-think thier school-yard bully BS.
I also want a president who will not rest until Osama Bin Laden's head is on a pole, or is in so many pieces dental records wont help.
I do NOT want a president who's bank account is so big he doesn't care about the working man.
I want a president who's resume dosen't stress on having coffee with foreign dignataries or less than 2 terms in the senate.
I want a president who isn't going to tax and spend because it's in their blood.
I want a president who is going to continue "The Surge" only until every terrorist is either dead or has left Iraq and Afghanistan. Then, bring our brave volunteer service folks home with ceremony & honor...and take care of every single one who was wounded..as PROMISED.
I want a president who will take every single illegal and kick them out of the country at the CRIMINAL'S expense, after and only after they have served PRISON time for breaking our laws. If they come back illegal...the prison time triples.
I want a president who has an agenda to create jobs, eliminate NAFTA, raise the minumum wage,
I want a president who understands the difference between gun control and getting guns out of the hands of repeat felony offenders.
I want a president who realizes that ONE single extremist with a dirty bomb could kill millions in an urban environment....and that could mean you.
We're in a different world than 30 years ago.
I remember sitting and watching CNN in 1990 and seeing some security expert saying that the next war wouldn't be with a hostile nation, it would be with terrorists. They were right.
Mitt....you don't make the grade. Huckabee or Ron Paul either.
Hillary is "Back to the Future" and I don't want to go back in time.
Obama does NOT have the experience. We're talking the highest office in our nation (DO NOT PLAY THE RACE CARD....RACE does NOT matter anymore, this is 2008, and I hope our country has made some progress!).
If this were 15 years from now, and Obama were a seasoned statesman, he would be DEFINITELY worth looking at, depending on his voting record.
I have no clue who the next president will be.
I just hope they are up to the challenge.
I fear that failure may be some lone nut's assanation plot.
History has shown that that happens.
God bless all candidates, and I hope they all take some security precautions. I don't see alot of that on tv.
68ROX
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First of all, Sirloin I like the way you think.
second, how about "Give a s*** and vote for Mitt."
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GO ROMNEY W000TTT..... ROMNEY! ROMNEY! ROMNEY!:aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
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Be interesting to see where Fred's support goes.
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My support for Fred isn't going anywhere. I don't see any of them as worthy of my vote.
I am at this point undecided, but I find myself leaning towards McCain as the lesser of the evils. I have the greatest respect for McCain's military service to this nation, but not a whole lot of respect for his political service. I find myself at odds with him over immigration, and not too willing to forgive him for the "gang of fourteen", among other things. It leads me to believe he will continue to be weak on illegal immigration, as well as weak on judicial appointments. So I may end up holding my nose and voting for McCain.
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I can't say who I support right now, Fred dropped out so im split on McCain and Romney. I guess it depends alot on what the economy does between now and when I vote. If this recession continues I think many people will go for Mitt because like my economics prof said today, "if it continues the way it is, all other issues, including Iraq, will take a back seat" and "Americans usually vote with their wallets in mind".
Mitt did do a great job in Massachusetts as govenor, but as was said before, he flops around like a fish on the beach. With McCain at least we know Iraq will be finished the way it needs to be, and that he would not leave our service men and women there one day longer than nessacary. If he was tougher on Imigration I'd like him more, so for now, it's a toss up.
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(http://www.federalbudget.com/chart.gif)
Go ahead and pay more tax to fix the bridges; they still won't fix the bridges.
Health and Human Services and the Military..... that's where the money goes.
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Toad, thanks for the graphic. It sure puts the issue into perspective. Sure would be nice to not have to service so much debt. Even if servicing debt was only half of the Treasury Dept. budget, we might actually be able to afford even Hillary's Health care plan. It really scares me to think what it would look like with the democrat’s plans for additional social spending.
he is a politician , his dad was a politician, they are all politicians, you can't raise that kind of money to run for office unless you are a politician.
Sorry, that is not a good argument for being a politician. I agree anyone that runs for President would have to be a politician in some way, but I would argue that Mitt Romney is more along the lines of Perot, Forbes and others in his independence from the establishment than any of the others, even Ron Paul. That was my point; he is NOT someone that has made a career out of politics. In fact, he has made a very successful career doing many other things. I would like to see a smart, educated, principled man in the White House that does not have a lot of political baggage following him around.
68ROX, I feel much like you do, and I admire my home State Senator for his service. He is a Hero in my book. I give him such high marks for his principles that I can overlook all of the policy issues I have with him. However, I feel his window of opportunity has passed, and Mitt Romney is as strong as any of the others on Foreign policy, so I have to go with him because I feel he will be the best for the economy.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Be interesting to see where Fred's support goes.
some interesting comments in this thread (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1958341/posts#comment?q=1) over at freerepublic.com.
And...in any event...if fear of the Islamo-terrorists forces Republicans to vote for a nanny state, pro-abortion, pro-illegal alien, anti-gun right candidate...then they’ve won the war...we ourselves and our fears will have sowed the seeds of our own destruction.
No kidding. For me what has turned the tide to being in Ron Paul’s favor is the fact that Thompson is out of the race AND we are willing to nominate candidates who are:
* Pro-Abortion (or at least were in recent history)
* Pro-Socialized Healthcare (or at least were in recent history)
* Anti-1st Amendment
* Pro-Amnesty
* Anti-2nd Amendment
* Pro-Nanny-State
In lieu of the Iraq war and foreign policy. Seems to me once we elect a candidate that is for socialized healthcare, and pro-nanny government, we have lost the war at home.
The war at home is more important than the war abroad folks.
what is a foreign victory if we have no more country to be proud of. Win here at home is more important now. Just joined the Paul Camp today. It is the only place I can go after Fred.
I'll say this for Paul ... he is at least putting the notion of radically reduced government back on the table ... including among a lot of young people who may never have thought of it.
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Originally posted by AKIron
By faith I assume you mean in the hereafter Sirloin. Which man do you suppose would be more responsible? The man who believes there is a higher authority to which he must eventually answer or the man who believes he is his own authority and when he dies is absolved of all responsibility?
Nice way to frame the question :lol
Here's a better one... Which man do you suppose would be more responsible? The man who believes in civil liberties based on the constitution? Or the man who believes the teachings of a treasure hunter passing on the word of a magically invisible alien from some gold plates nobody has ever actually seen?
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Indy, this is not an anti-mormon thread, and it is pointless to sling that kind of stuff here. Your argument is not very clear, as there is no evidence that Mitt Romney is anything but a man who believes in civil liberties based on the Constitution. You don't need to try to sensationalize a political debate with trash like that. Political discussions are messy enough without the careless muck-rakers.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Oh .... wait ... nevermind. (Ala Emily Natilda) ;)
Emily Latella.
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Originally posted by TracerX
Indy, this is not an anti-mormon thread, and it is pointless to sling that kind of stuff here. Your argument is not very clear, as there is no evidence that Mitt Romney is anything but a man who believes in civil liberties based on the Constitution. You don't need to try to sensationalize a political debate with trash like that. Political discussions are messy enough without the careless muck-rakers.
I didn't inject religion into it. I simply responded to what was obviously a loaded question that suggested people who don't believe in eternal damnation are irresponsible.
I took the same question somebody else posed, and spun it around to show them how ridiculous it was.
Make sense for you now?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Emily Latella.
My patela? What's wrong with my patela?
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Originally posted by indy007
Here's a better one... Which man do you suppose would be more responsible? The man who believes in civil liberties based on the constitution? Or the man who believes the teachings of a treasure hunter passing on the word of a magically invisible alien from some gold plates nobody has ever actually seen?
I saw 'em.
I was hiking one summer afternoon in upstate New York when, fairly close to my car, I passed by a lone tree on a hill. I thought this would be a good place to rest and reflect on the saunter I just took, so I walked over to sit down in the shade of the magnificent hardwood.
Just as I was about to sit, my foot crashed through the surface and I went down to my knee. I pulled out my foot and found that I had stepped into a buried oak box. I dug out the box and found within it a set of impressive gold tablets inscribed with what appeared to be some ancient text and some polished stones about the size of hens eggs.
I put them into the trunk of my car and returned home. I did some research and found that the stones were used in the deciphering of the ancient text, and that I must have stumbled upon the tablets of Joseph Smith.
I lost interest in them for a while after that, and then one day a Mormon friend of mine told me that Smith had them for a short time, and had not translated the whole text before he had to return them to the angel.
It was then I remembered that they were still in the trunk of my car, and I had traded the car for a TV and a hide-a-bed.
I wonder where that car is now.
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Originally posted by Arlo
My patela? What's wrong with my patela?
Hey could be worse, you could have problems with your pudenda
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Mitt is a moron!:aok
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Hey could be worse, you could have problems with your pudenda
Gremlins on the rotunda?
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Originally posted by Arlo
Gremlins on the rotunda?
Contused Wenis?
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Mitt is a moron!:aok
Agreed.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I like that. May have to tweak it a bit.
Since we're talking "politicians". How about "Bulls*it Mitt"?
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Since we fell into bathroom humor here's one I just made up.
here I art
wiping the floor
tried to fart
and got much more
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NlIMQ31EjY
The "he raised taxes" whisper.
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New word for the day
Electile Dysfunction : the inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president put forth by either party in the 2008 election year.
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Big problem in Romney's campaign... (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/mitt_romney_defends_himself?utm_source=videomrss_72981)
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Big problem in Romney's campaign... (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/mitt_romney_defends_himself?utm_source=videomrss_72981)
Lies! All lies!
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Let's all face facts here.
The Election will be Romney vs Clinton. They both clearly have the most money. And that is really all that matters anymore in American politics: Who can buy the most commercial air time in order to brainwash the masses to support them.
I predict Clinton will spend more money than Romney, and become President.
The only question is who will serve as Clinton's Vice President??
Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico, is my bet.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by SIG220
Let's all face facts here.
The Election will be Romney vs Clinton. They both clearly have the most money. And that is really all that matters anymore in American politics: Who can buy the most commercial air time in order to brainwash the masses to support them.
I predict Clinton will spend more money than Romney, and become President.
The only question is who will serve as Clinton's Vice President??
Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico, is my bet.
SIG 220
you're probably right regarding a Dem victory. Just looking at the numbers that turned out to vote in the primaries so far indicates a Dem victory in the general election. You can thank Bush and the neo-cons for that. It used to be the Reps were the counter to the Dems. Dems wanted big federal gov't and higher taxes, Reps opposed them and advocated small federal gov't and lower taxes. That ain't the case anymore, the Reps may SAY they're for small gov't and low taxes, but only a fool takes a politicians promises at face value.
Regarding the Reps, I'm not sure if it means anything nowadays, but as far as money's concerned, Paul has received donations from more individual citizens than Romney has. Mitt's biggest donor is himself.
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Originally posted by bsdaddict
You can thank Bush and the neo-cons for that.
You can thank people's self interest if Hillary wins. More bread and circuses.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
I think Mitt has some serious questions to answer regarding being a leading member of a formerly racist organization...The leader having a "revelation from God"(that blacks were ok) just before the passing of the bill of rights.
And anyone who states publicly during presidential race that the "President should be a man of faith" is whack.
i agree with most of his platform though.
The US was officially racist until 1964, the Mormon church until 1978. So 14 years makes all that difference?
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Just to be balanced (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/mysterious_traveler_entrances)
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"and he walked among the people, and they touched his clothing and flesh"
:rofl
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Just to be balanced (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/mysterious_traveler_entrances)
klatu... verta... nic(cough)
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Originally posted by SirLoin
I think Mitt has some serious questions to answer regarding being a leading member of a formerly racist organization...
A leading member? Exactly what is the leadership position he holds?
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Originally posted by SirLoin
I think Mitt has some serious questions to answer regarding being a leading member of a formerly racist organization...The leader having a "revelation from God"(that blacks were ok) just before the passing of the bill of rights.
And anyone who states publicly during presidential race that the "President should be a man of faith" is whack.
i agree with most of his platform though.
do canadians get to vote for the POTUS?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
If you like a flipflopper, vote mitt. The guy is pure politician to the core, say what he has to to get votes and never accept resposibility. Blame what happened on someone else and then take credit when good things happen. You cannot believe a word he says, he is a man you cannot trust.
I concur.
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Interview with Romney pushes Mark Larsen to support Ron Paul (http://youtube.com/watch?v=6lAFfLy05_Y)
worth a listen...
and another Mitt video: They call him Flipper (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVhJzq5gVvU) :D