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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MiloMorai on January 16, 2008, 06:06:16 AM
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"Boeing said today that continued challenges in completing the assembly of its first 787 “Dreamliner” jets would force it to delay initial deliveries of the plane by six months, to late 2008.
The news, which follows a three-month delay to the plane’s flight-test program announced last month, is a serious setback to Boeing and to the Dreamliner"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/business/10cnd-boeing.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Airbus not the only company which can't meet delivery dates.
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By pushing back the flight-test and delivery schedule by six months, analysts said Boeing had given itself significant breathing space in which to try and rectify its assembly-line problems. “They are doing the right thing, because the stakes are so high,” Mr. McVitie said.
Let's also keep in mind that the initial test aircraft was delayed due to a shortage of fasteners. An issue involving a supplier not having it's promised stock on hand for delivery.
I think an overall delay of six months on the delivery schedule is not that bad, as long as it does not get much later.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I think an overall delay of six months on the delivery schedule is not that bad, as long as it does not get much later.
Try telling that to my customers
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you sell big airplanes?
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Those customers don't care. That is why they placed their multi-million if not billion, dollar orders years ago. Six months or even another year worth of delays are not going to hurt those contracts. I doubt anyone is waiting for their new delivery of 787's to start up an airline.
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It is truly unfortunate.
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thought at first it might have been somthing to do with possible back seat drivers (http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/01/dreamliner_security)
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Originally posted by MiloMorai
"Boeing said today that continued challenges in completing the assembly of its first 787 “Dreamliner” jets would force it to delay initial deliveries of the plane by six months, to late 2008.
The news, which follows a three-month delay to the plane’s flight-test program announced last month, is a serious setback to Boeing and to the Dreamliner"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/business/10cnd-boeing.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Airbus not the only company which can't meet delivery dates.
True dat. However the Airbus delivery delays and Boeing delays are for two different reasons.
In other news, Boeing beat Airbus for airplanes sold in 2007! :aok
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Doesn't this happen with all planes? Happened with the A380 also...
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Originally posted by SpikesX
Doesn't this happen with all planes? Happened with the A380 also...
No.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
No.
OK, so I didn't mean that the way I typed it...Just the way I've seen it, is most planes have a small delay, if not large nowadays.
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Are we sure it's not getting delayed because of the hacking risk that's being reported?
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/01/dreamliner_security
Rip... what's the word on this?
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I saw the article---whole thing seemed rather stupid--they are giving passengers wifi---their OWN router, badarse firewall, but someone from govt is worried that somehow they could hack into avionics, etc---so the first bunch of planes have no wifi
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It seems to me that given the nature of he 787 and, the new technologies involved, i'm willing to cut them more slack then Airbus.
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Originally posted by DYNAMITE
Are we sure it's not getting delayed because of the hacking risk that's being reported?
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/01/dreamliner_security
Rip... what's the word on this?
Gotta say I'm with the FAA on this one (from the perspective of an IT guy specialising in security). The two networks should be entirely seperate.
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Originally posted by bj229r
I saw the article---whole thing seemed rather stupid--they are giving passengers wifi---their OWN router, badarse firewall, but someone from govt is worried that somehow they could hack into avionics, etc---so the first bunch of planes have no wifi
Yea,
I saw this one also, "HEY, who is the squeeker that hooked the WIFI router to the auto-pilot? We were going to L.A. now where landing in Moose Jaw... OMG that's Canada!!! Ahhhhhhhhhh".
What a bunch of dweebs.
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Originally posted by DYNAMITE
Are we sure it's not getting delayed because of the hacking risk that's being reported?
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/01/dreamliner_security
Rip... what's the word on this?
Google it. Its' BS. Plenty of articles out there that shoot this down.
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Originally posted by BBBB
Those customers don't care. That is why they placed their multi-million if not billion, dollar orders years ago. Six months or even another year worth of delays are not going to hurt those contracts. I doubt anyone is waiting for their new delivery of 787's to start up an airline.
Trust me - those customers DO care - very much.
Multi million / billion dollar deals involve huge capitol costs. Even a small delay will cause eye-watering repercussions in terms of lost interest and its not like the airlines are awash with cash.
I don't know what the payment terms are on these deals, but someone somewhere is hurting.
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Qantas got a $100 million from Airbus for delays with the A380...I wonder how much they'll get from Boeing?
Tronsky
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Originally posted by -tronski-
Qantas got a $100 million from Airbus for delays with the A380...I wonder how much they'll get from Boeing?
Tronsky
They don't actually get it in the form of cash I don't believe, but rather discounts on the original price of the aircraft. I'm sure Boeing will do the same with its customers.
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Qantas got US $77 million (A$100 million) in compensation for late delivery delays from Airbus - and a discounted rate for a further A380 order, and on an order of A330 and A321/A320's
And I understand Qantas has a similar contract with Boeing about compensation for delayed deliveries
Tronsky
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If they could get Rip to stay off the internets the 787 would have been finished last week.;)
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Originally posted by rpm
If they could get Rip to stay off the internets the 787 would have been finished last week.;)
My former first line manager when I was a programmer back in the 80's is now the GM of the 787 program. ;)
But the company said it had been unable to resolve problems with major components made by key suppliers. Parts for the 787 are made by manufacturers scattered around the globe and then shipped to Boeing's Everett, Wash., plant where they are, in many respects, "snapped" together.
"We underestimated how long it would take to complete someone else's work," Pat Shanahan, general manager of the 787 program, said during a teleconference call Wednesday with industry analysts.
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New delay expected to be announced today on the 787.
While significant progress has been made assembling Airplane #1, first flight is being rescheduled due to slower than expected completion of work that traveled from supplier facilities into Boeing's final assembly line, unanticipated rework, and the addition of margin into the testing schedule.
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Cut 'em some slack. It's the Dreamliner, not the Punctualiner.