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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Nisky on January 17, 2008, 09:11:44 PM
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About ten minutes ago i died twice in a tiger to a panzer. I hit him and my shot richocets he hits me once and i die wtf is up with that. There is no way a tiger getting hit in the front should die one hit. HT should lower the perk value of the tiger seeing as its worthless. I remember the days when u could sit in a tiger and listen to all the hits and have no damage. Ill get off cuz im pissed!:furious
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How far away was the panzer from you?
I cant recall ever having a shot bounce off a panzer when I am sitting in a tiger
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and where did he shoot you rear ok thats real max gunsight 1 hit front :huh wtf and:furious
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Originally posted by splitatom
and where did he shoot you rear ok thats real max gunsight 1 hit front :huh wtf and:furious
:huh
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point blank was the range and i shot him in the turret.
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Originally posted by Nisky
point blank was the range and i shot him in the turret.
If point blank was the range, then that is why he was able to kill you with one shot. Tigers are strong -- not indestructible.
I would guess your shot deflected because you hit at an oblique angle to the armor. A solid, 90 degree hit on a surface would have smoked him easily.
Without film, though, hard to say for sure.
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Point Blank as you stated a panzer can kill you with one shot from anywhere front side back under top dont matter. point blank a t-34 can kill you. heck even an M8 can take your turret out at point blank.
as far as your shot goes film it next time. was he parked at an angle to you???? this causes more bounces then anything. like i said film it next time so we know what we are looking at.
you died to your lack of SA. you should have never let the panzer that close to you. tigers should be fighting from a distance and parked at an angle from the nme so the bounces are more then direct hits.
but this is basic GV 101 you should know this by now. no reason to run to the forums to whine about losing your tiger to a zipcode.
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Originally posted by splitatom
and where did he shoot you rear ok thats real max gunsight 1 hit front :huh wtf and:furious
snowey, please, do us a favor and use the spellchecker in your web browser. We still won't have any idea what you're talking about, but at least the words in your jibberish will be spelled correctly.
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I do not GV a whole lot, but the impression I get from most GV'ers is that the M4 rendered the tiger neutered. But liek I said I myself do not GV much so I dunno.
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Originally posted by Stang
snowey, please, do us a favor and use the spellchecker in your web browser. We still won't have any idea what you're talking about, but at least the words in your jibberish will be spelled correctly.
It's the new thing, BBSonics. You know, like Ebonics only for us idiots that play flight sims.:D
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Originally posted by Stang
snowey, please, do us a favor and use the spellchecker in your web browser. We still won't have any idea what you're talking about, but at least the words in your jibberish will be spelled correctly.
:rofl
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Werd
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do you think snowey reads his posts before he races to press Submit Reply? If he reads them, do you think he finds anything wrong with them?
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Originally posted by Nisky
About ten minutes ago i died twice in a tiger to a panzer. I hit him and my shot richocets he hits me once and i die wtf is up with that. There is no way a tiger getting hit in the front should die one hit. HT should lower the perk value of the tiger seeing as its worthless. I remember the days when u could sit in a tiger and listen to all the hits and have no damage. Ill get off cuz im pissed!:furious
Tour 95:
Tiger I has 6612 Kills of Panzer IV H
Panzer IV H has 1352 Kills of Tiger I
K/D= 4.89
Hardly worthless...
The average K/D has halved when compared to 2 years ago, but so have the perks.
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And Spelling has 2296 kills on splitatom.
Grammar has 3291 kills on Snowey.
Total that up and it is 5587 common knowledge vs. him=
Pwned by grammar school.
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Originally posted by Rollins
And Spelling has 2296 kills on splitatom.
Grammar has 3291 kills on Snowey.
Total that up and it is 5587 common knowledge vs. him=
Pwned by grammar school.
:rofl :aok
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Originally posted by Meatwad
I cant recall ever having a shot bounce off a panzer when I am sitting in a tiger
I've had shots bounce off M3s. The Tiger isn't what it use to be.
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Originally posted by badhorse
I've had shots bounce off M3s. The Tiger isn't what it use to be.
That happened even back in the "good old days"
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My Tiger is a joke .....everything kills it w/ one shot .....I gave up on it
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Definitely Lusche. When the Tiger came out I had an M3 run by me and take 3-4 shots in the process. I couldn't believe it at first so I used the other type of ammo than what I'd first scored hits with, but it made no difference.
So I asked HT in the next blue Q&A session whether light GVs should recoil somehow from a high velocity impact somewhere else than the empty sheetmetal, e.g. in the drivetrain parts or something. He said he'd have to run some numbers, and that's the last I heard of it.
It might be some bug, because now it's pretty easy to kill GVs with an HE round's splash damage. I recently had an M3 hide right behind the VH near a vbase's map room, and killed it by shooting the corner of the VH it was next to.
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Originally posted by badhorse
I've had shots bounce off M3s. The Tiger isn't what it use to be.
Thats no fault of the tiger, its the fault of the donkey inside.
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By the way it has happened to me too. Even had ricochets off jeeps.
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Originally posted by splitatom
and where did he shoot you rear ok thats real max gunsight 1 hit front :huh wtf and:furious
:huh
I get killed by 1-hit-wonders sometimes...mostly panzers.
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Originally posted by trotter
do you think snowey reads his posts before he races to press Submit Reply? If he reads them, do you think he finds anything wrong with them?
No and No.
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I have had Tiger AP rounds bounce off m3's m16's.
I didn't really care much, because i know GV's are only there for those people who can't fly the aeroplanes so realise that there is no point in doing a lot of coad for a side show.
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So there I was, sitting in my AP loaded Tiger just outside the hanger responding to an encroaching Tiger that was simply rolling across my midsized field seemingly unharmed by the dozen or so ack guns pounding away at him. It was just we two as it was late in the arena. As he passed across my field of fire not more than 500 yards in front of me I laid one round into his left side just above the wheels. As he rolled around my position right to left I laid a second round into his rear panel. He then turned to face me as I had moved towards him closing range to about 300 yards. Face to face I laid another round in tight just below the gun mantle, bewteen turret and body. Im thinking it would be nice to kill this guy. Then he fires a single round at me and Bang! Im back in the hanger. Oh well.........as far as a tank sim, AcesHigh leaves alot to be desired. Still a great aeroplane game though ;)
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I agree that the Tiger1 is nowhere close to it's RL counterpart. Sherman tankers in WW2 have related that the only way a M4 could kill a Tiger was from the rear. A frontal shot shouldn't kill a Tiger, even at "point blank" range. At best 1 in 10 shots should disable the turret at knife fighting range.
I can only hope that the model is tweaked in the next patch, or it's perk value is dropped below the firefly level.
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Originally posted by MajIssue
I agree that the Tiger1 is nowhere close to it's RL counterpart. Sherman tankers in WW2 have related that the only way a M4 could kill a Tiger was from the rear. A frontal shot shouldn't kill a Tiger, even at "point blank" range. At best 1 in 10 shots should disable the turret at knife fighting range.
I can only hope that the model is tweaked in the next patch, or it's perk value is dropped below the firefly level.
We don't have a Sherman, so that is irrelevant.
As far as i know a frontal shot from the 17 pdr gun on the Firefly could and should defeat the Tiger's frontal armour at ranges below 1000 yards, and iirc you could double that range if they used the sabot round.
According to Jentz (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.), "The Tiger's armor was invulnerable to attack from most tank guns firing normal armor-piercing shells or shot at ranges over 800 meters, including the American 75 mm and the Russian 76 mm. It is obvious that the 17-pdr. firing normal APCBC rounds could defeat the frontal armor of the Tiger I at most combat ranges for tank vs. tank actions in Europe. However, by 23 June 1944, only 109 Shermans with 17-pdrs. had landed in France along with six replacements. By the end of the war, on 5 May 1945, the British 21st Army Group possessed 1,235 Sherman tanks with 17-pdrs., while the remaining 1,915 Sherman tanks were all equipped with the 75 mm M3 gun".
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tiger1.htm