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Title: It's COLD!
Post by: gunnss on January 19, 2008, 04:32:30 AM: It is so cold here the Rio Grande is frozen solid! Two days in a row now.....
Regards,
Kevin

Edited cuz I Kent speull
Title: It's COLD!
Post by: Dago on January 19, 2008, 08:41:41 AM: It's -14º F here this morning. Windchill puts it -31. That's nippy.
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Post by: Donzo on January 19, 2008, 08:59:17 AM: -18º F when I got up this morning (Wind chill -34º F)

Yaaaaaaaaaaa Global warming! (oops, sorry, global climate change I mean)
Title: Re: It's COLD!
Post by: bj229r on January 19, 2008, 09:01:10 AM: Quote
Originally posted by gunnss
It is so cold here the Rio Grande is frozen solid! Two days in a row now.....
Regards,
Kevin

Edited cuz I Kent speull
Lol that oughta make it easier for our new immigrants to come over:D
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Post by: Fulmar on January 19, 2008, 09:16:09 AM: -15F (-33F Wind Chill)
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Post by: MrBill on January 19, 2008, 09:59:02 AM: 9 am ... warmed up to 0 ...
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Post by: whels on January 19, 2008, 10:34:22 AM: its dang cold here too. think it only gona be 70 today, gona have to turn the heat on.

:D :D

whels
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Post by: Ripsnort on January 19, 2008, 10:44:41 AM: (http://www.rubinville.com/dailydave/uploaded_images/day%20after%20tomorrow-765950.jpg)
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Post by: lazs2 on January 19, 2008, 10:54:29 AM: yep... now that winter is here the whole "man made global warming" thing will be downplayed and "man made global climate change" will be talked about exclusively... when summer comes again it will again be "man made global warming"

It is hard to sell man made global warming and the need to add 2-5 bucks a gallon on heating oil to combat it when people are freezing and can't afford to heat their homes as it is.

lazs
Title: Re: Re: It's COLD!
Post by: ghi on January 19, 2008, 11:03:32 AM: Quote
Originally posted by bj229r
Lol that oughta make it easier for our new immigrants to come over:D

:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Post by: Estel on January 19, 2008, 01:20:38 PM: After -35 celsium, for now, -15 celsium is warm :-)
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Post by: Curval on January 19, 2008, 01:36:11 PM: Not to worry folks...it will warm up again in a freakish way like it did a few weeks ago and then we won't see this kind of thread again...until the weather cools down again.

It is sorta like clockwork.
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Post by: MORAY37 on January 19, 2008, 04:00:08 PM: LOL.. it's ummm... Winter. Duh.

At least in the Northern Hemisphere.

Apparently, now a cold day in winter disproves all the research..:rolleyes:
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Post by: john9001 on January 19, 2008, 04:07:45 PM: the Rio Grande freezing is a local weather phenomenon, it has nothing to do with manmade global warming/climate change, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
:rolleyes:
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Post by: Dago on January 19, 2008, 04:17:57 PM: Quote
Originally posted by MORAY37
LOL.. it's ummm... Winter. Duh.

At least in the Northern Hemisphere.

Apparently, now a cold day in winter disproves all the research..:rolleyes:

Ahh, a lot of the "research" has been disproven, but the global warning alarmists conveniently ignore that fact.

I am not saying global warming isn't a reality, but that when someone wants to consider or discuss the issue, at least it should be done in an honest manner considering all truths, not just the ones some choose to believe without questions.
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Post by: SWrokit on January 19, 2008, 04:35:57 PM: he he............try livin just south of the Artic Circle (Alaska).........-15 and -20 is a warning trend ;) (& that's without wind).

For some unknown reason we have +19 today :huh .......time to break out the shorts and tee shirt :D
Title: It's COLD!
Post by: MORAY37 on January 19, 2008, 04:39:20 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Dago
Ahh, a lot of the "research" has been disproven, but the global warning alarmists conveniently ignore that fact.

I am not saying global warming isn't a reality, but that when someone wants to consider or discuss the issue, at least it should be done in an honest manner considering all truths, not just the ones some choose to believe without questions.

Making such a broad statement as that, without providing any examples is dangerous.

Please show me some of these examples with next posting. Also, be aware of the sources you quote from. My good friend Lazs will be along shortly to show you examples of those sources which aren't ;

A: scientific
B: peer reviewed.

..And he will claim them as "truths" because they fit his preconceived notions.

I look forward to your post.
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Post by: Vulcan on January 19, 2008, 05:48:24 PM: Just heading out to the beach, is 30 degrees celcius here :)
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Post by: Dago on January 19, 2008, 05:51:36 PM: See Rules #4, #5
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Post by: Dago on January 19, 2008, 06:05:44 PM: See Rule #4
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Post by: gunnss on January 20, 2008, 01:49:17 AM: LOL guys,
I really don't care about the Global Warming TM. thing, Just saying that is is cold, at least for central NM. Still I saw quite a few hot air balloons up today, think about flying in an open basket at 8 Deg. F. Like I said cold....
Regards,
Kevin
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Post by: rpm on January 20, 2008, 03:32:37 AM: Yeah, but think of the lift they have at that temp.;)
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Post by: straffo on January 20, 2008, 03:45:29 AM: I guess can I sign the petition with a Ph.D in computer science.

The old number vs competence trick , this is the soviet approach Dago.
Title: It's COLD!
Post by: -tronski- on January 20, 2008, 05:10:32 AM: 30C deg today meant: air conditioner...beer...bbq...in the pool...then repeat beer air con

Tronsky
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Post by: Wayout on January 20, 2008, 06:09:24 AM: It's 2.6 degrees here in southeast Michigan this morning. If not for global warming it would be 2.2 degrees.
Title: It's COLD!
Post by: bj229r on January 20, 2008, 07:46:41 AM: Quote
Originally posted by straffo
I guess can I sign the petition with a Ph.D in computer science.

The old number vs competence trick , this is the soviet approach Dago.
Well, we've been hearing ad nauseam for a decade + that two THOUSAND scientists can't be wrong....
Title: It's COLD!
Post by: Jackal1 on January 20, 2008, 08:36:17 AM: Baaaaaaaaaaah! Warmed up to nearly 45 here yesterday. Great riding weather.
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Post by: straffo on January 20, 2008, 09:22:31 AM: Quote
Originally posted by bj229r
Well, we've been hearing ad nauseam for a decade + that two THOUSAND scientists can't be wrong....

I agree , I'm like you sure that 2000 ph.d in climatology are less competent in climatology than 20 000 ph.D in mechanic.
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Post by: AKIron on January 20, 2008, 09:23:56 AM: I didn't watch all of Al's movie (I like sci-fi but not fantasy), but I think he did briefly mention that C02 lags temp. IIRC, He threw it in real quick saying that it's complicated and moved on as if he hadn't just said it.

In Al Gore's famous ice core data, showing the supposed correlation between temperature and CO2, what he neglected to say was that there was an 800 year time lag between a rise in global temperatures and the following rise in CO2. Yes, temperature goes up 800 years before CO2 levels rise.
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Post by: gunnss on January 20, 2008, 09:35:10 AM: Still cold,
River still frozen, but 6 balloons flying this morning... great fuel economy at this temp!
Regards,
Kevin
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Post by: culero on January 20, 2008, 09:36:41 AM: Well, seems that any kind of BS flies easily here :)

(Hint: gunns was yanking ya'lls leg, the Rio Bravo ain't never froze ;))
Title: It's COLD!
Post by: gunnss on January 20, 2008, 09:39:40 AM: Honest it is the truth,
Rio Grande has been frozen at the Paseo del Norte crossing for three days now, here in Albuquerque.
Regards,
Kevin
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Post by: culero on January 20, 2008, 09:40:39 AM: Oh, hell gunns, that ain't in Texas. It don't matter :)
Title: It's COLD!
Post by: bj229r on January 20, 2008, 09:42:30 AM: Quote
Originally posted by straffo
I agree , I'm like you sure that 2000 ph.d in climatology are less competent in climatology than 20 000 ph.D in mechanic.
Were the original lot all climatologists?
Title: It's COLD!
Post by: gunnss on January 20, 2008, 09:45:45 AM: Grin,
It's a lot higher that's for certain, river is 5000' ASL. and there is a ski resort on the mountain here (10,500')
Have fun,
Kevin
Title: It's COLD!
Post by: culero on January 20, 2008, 09:57:32 AM: Yeah, I spent a summer in Albuquerque many moons ago, I'm familiar with it. What the hell are you doing there? I thought you were in Oklahomely?
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Post by: lazs2 on January 20, 2008, 10:24:57 AM: straffo.. there are not 2000 scientists in climate science saying we are causing catastrophic man made global warming..

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb

most of the ones who signed the un joke are now recanting. I think it is more like 7% of the scientists who believe it is real and a looming catastrophe.

lazs
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Post by: straffo on January 20, 2008, 10:29:31 AM: Quote
Originally posted by bj229r
Were the original lot all climatologists?

I don't know , I just now the number or common belief is not an argument just remember Galilei or Copernicus.
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Post by: lazs2 on January 20, 2008, 11:19:27 AM: It is sorta like this these days...

"Physicist John W. Brosnahan, who develops remote-sensing tools for clients like the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, says: "Of course I believe in global warming, and in global cooling -- all part of the natural climate changes that the Earth has experienced for billions of years, caused primarily by cyclical variations in solar output."

Brosnahan says he has "not seen any sort of definitive, scientific link to man-made carbon dioxide as the root cause of global warming, only incomplete computer models that suggest that this might be the case." Those models, he says, leave out too many variables.

Indeed, a study in the Royal Meteorological Society's International Journal of Climatology looked at 22 computer models used by the IPCC. Most of the models couldn't even predict the past.

Predictably, after a quick review of the report, Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider said 25 to 30 of the scientists may have received funding from Exxon Mobil (NYSE:XOM) , though she didn't name which scientists she thinks were bribed to distort the truth. Wise move.

This is not like Al Gore getting 75 hours of free airtime on NBC, a unit of General Electric (NYSE:GE) , which stands to make wads of cash on things like solar panels and wind turbines. Or Gore being involved with a company that sells carbon offsets.

Heartland Institute senior fellow James Taylor has noted that more than 600 scientists at the Bali gathering could have debunked Gore's warming theories, but the U.N. "censored" them.

By the way, Gore and his statist friends in Europe repeatedly have criticized the U.S. for its "failure to act" on warming. But new data show the U.S. in 2006 slashed output of greenhouse gases by 1.3%, while Europe's output continued to grow. So who's failing to act?"

lazs
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Post by: Wes14 on January 20, 2008, 11:55:26 AM: yea its cold here.. it actually snowed here in like..forever! :D
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Post by: Dago on January 20, 2008, 12:00:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
It is sorta like this these days...

"Physicist John W. Brosnahan, who develops remote-sensing tools for clients like the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, says: "Of course I believe in global warming, and in global cooling -- all part of the natural climate changes that the Earth has experienced for billions of years, caused primarily by cyclical variations in solar output."

Brosnahan says he has "not seen any sort of definitive, scientific link to man-made carbon dioxide as the root cause of global warming, only incomplete computer models that suggest that this might be the case." Those models, he says, leave out too many variables.

Indeed, a study in the Royal Meteorological Society's International Journal of Climatology looked at 22 computer models used by the IPCC. Most of the models couldn't even predict the past.

Predictably, after a quick review of the report, Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider said 25 to 30 of the scientists may have received funding from Exxon Mobil (NYSE:XOM) , though she didn't name which scientists she thinks were bribed to distort the truth. Wise move.

This is not like Al Gore getting 75 hours of free airtime on NBC, a unit of General Electric (NYSE:GE) , which stands to make wads of cash on things like solar panels and wind turbines. Or Gore being involved with a company that sells carbon offsets.

Heartland Institute senior fellow James Taylor has noted that more than 600 scientists at the Bali gathering could have debunked Gore's warming theories, but the U.N. "censored" them.

By the way, Gore and his statist friends in Europe repeatedly have criticized the U.S. for its "failure to act" on warming. But new data show the U.S. in 2006 slashed output of greenhouse gases by 1.3%, while Europe's output continued to grow. So who's failing to act?"

lazs

Don't tell any of this to moray, he chooses to believe without question anything bad about the USA or the administration.
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Post by: BlauK on January 20, 2008, 12:02:02 PM: We used to have snow from early December to mid March or so...

Now we've had two about 2-3 day periods of snow. Xmas was black. Its been raining most January and today my kids went biking and I raked some leaves from green grass :(

Yes, I truly begin to believe in global warming. I've never seen a "winter" like this.
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Post by: MORAY37 on January 20, 2008, 12:13:57 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Dago
Don't tell any of this to moray, he chooses to believe without question anything bad about the USA or the administration.

Completely un-true.. I'm not searching for conspiracy. I love my country more than my own life. My family has 3 plots filled in Arlington. Questioning is not anti-american.. it is what it means TO BE American.

I simply question the rationale most Americans render for their facts. Give one vaguely science based talk in america and tell me what happens...I already know. Half of this country still wholeheartedly believes the planet is 6,000 years old. Half the time if i talk about the evolution of an organism..it turns into a fight.

On this administration....You have me there.

I find it incredulous that you can't question it after all the lies. You should expect more.
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Post by: Dago on January 20, 2008, 12:23:15 PM: Quote
Originally posted by MORAY37
Completely un-true.. I'm not searching for conspiracy. I love my country more than my own life. My family has 3 plots filled in Arlington. Questioning is not anti-american.. it is what it means TO BE American.

I simply question the rationale most Americans render for their facts. Give one vaguely science based talk in america and tell me what happens...I already know. Half of this country still wholeheartedly believes the planet is 6,000 years old. Half the time if i talk about the evolution of an organism..it turns into a fight.

On this administration....You have me there.

I find it incredulous that you can't question it after all the lies. You should expect more.

I bit ironic that it was I who suggested there are questions about the global warming theory, and you attacked me for it, taking the posture that global warming is a fact and I shouldn't allow for questions on the matter.

Ironic may not be the right word, hypocritical would probably fit better in the context of this thread and your latest post.
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Post by: MORAY37 on January 20, 2008, 12:34:43 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Dago
I bit ironic that it was I who suggested there are questions about the global warming theory, and you attacked me for it, taking the posture that global warming is a fact and I shouldn't allow for questions on the matter.

Ironic may not be the right word, hypocritical would probably fit better in the context of this thread and your latest post.

You are completely right in questioning... yet to question it you must have a baseline understanding...and not just belch up a position you feel is right, and then go looking for support for it.

That isn't how science works.
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Post by: Lye-El on January 20, 2008, 12:36:46 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Wayout
It's 2.6 degrees here in southeast Michigan this morning. If not for global warming it would be 2.2 degrees.

I am also in Michigan. I used to have hot water heat. Boiler quit last night. Replaced blown fuse which immediately blew again and let the smoke out of the Aquastat. Trying to keep warm with just the oven on an a electric heater. The 24 hour emergency service means "we can get there tomorrow". Called at 6:00 PM last night, he got here at 10:30 this morning. He has been here 3 hours now and still no heat. :(
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Post by: MORAY37 on January 20, 2008, 12:38:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Dago
I bit ironic that it was I who suggested there are questions about the global warming theory, and you attacked me for it, taking the posture that global warming is a fact and I shouldn't allow for questions on the matter.

Ironic may not be the right word, hypocritical would probably fit better in the context of this thread and your latest post.

And, I'll add... I asked for what questions you have.. what points you dispute...

To which you posted the infamous 17,000 scientists paper.....

Ummm...like it's been said before... I want you to look at the credits to that paper and find out how many come back proper. A large proportion of them couldn't name a Stratocumulous cloud out of a lineup.... their degrees are all over the place. I posted a link to one of them earlier in this monster... he works with a textile mill... he makes new forms of wool.

REALLY able to quote on the climate debate.
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Post by: Dago on January 20, 2008, 12:56:04 PM: See Ruls #4, #5
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Post by: MORAY37 on January 20, 2008, 03:08:21 PM: See Rule #5
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Post by: Dago on January 20, 2008, 03:32:56 PM: See Rule #4
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Post by: gunnss on January 21, 2008, 01:34:12 AM: Moved here in 2001,
It is closer to my parents and I like thin dry air....
Kevin

Quote
Originally posted by culero
Yeah, I spent a summer in Albuquerque many moons ago, I'm familiar with it. What the hell are you doing there? I thought you were in Oklahomely?
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Post by: culero on January 21, 2008, 07:55:18 AM: That's Bryan, teach :)

(couldn't resist ;))
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Post by: Shuckins on January 21, 2008, 08:07:04 AM: Yeah yeah....yo mama...lol :D

Gimme a break. The coffee hadn't kicked in when I typed that.
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Post by: lazs2 on January 21, 2008, 10:48:03 AM: moray.. there is a list of the people that signed the petition. They are not all scientists they just have advanced degrees.. like you.. they have every bit as much right as you do to voice their opinion and... they are every bit as educated as you are. most... more so. You constantly rant that only a person as educated (the level never being mentioned) as you are can understand science and make a rational view.

These guys are as educated and more than you.. and they think it is bunk.

A US senate report shows that over 400 of the most prominent scientists on the planet dispute man made global warming.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb

lazs
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Post by: bj229r on January 21, 2008, 11:02:03 AM: Summary repeat: Those left of center automatically believe it, (as the US and capitalism is stated to be behind it) no questions asked, while those right of center are very dubious, for the same reason. All the other arguments cloud the origin of the afore-mentioned(http://chat.anncoulter.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/155.gif)
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Post by: lazs2 on January 21, 2008, 11:10:57 AM: Of course.. it is obvious to all that it is the left who have the most to gain by the whole man made global warming scam.

I like that on "earth day" senator inhofe asked all the hollywood celebrities and rich liberals and specifically.. algore.. to take the pledge!

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Pledge

it asks them to say......

"During the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee hearing on March 21, 2007, “Vice President Al Gore’s Perspective on Global Warming,” former Vice President Al Gore refused to take a “Personal Energy Ethics Pledge” to consume no more energy than the average American household"

Just like the commies all had villas and maids and lived like capitalists.. the algors all want to live like royalty while making you suffer. They won't even pledge to consume as little as you do now... yet.. they want you to use less.

lazs