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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dastrdly on January 20, 2008, 07:29:51 AM
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when i fly i fly to dogfight im usually in a lower classed plane with lighter ammo. i try to avoid the hordes & furballs. i fly the edges or use darbars to track/head off individuall planes. i like to fly/start at a decent alt....15k tops. i put alot of time into my flights between gaining alt & trying to actually find something away from the masses. other wise i end up with a whole lot of assists.
their has been some talk on 200/country about there being no such thing as a 'steal' most comon replys are 'u played with your food to long' or 'looked like you needed help'
alot of my fights do take time, working from a bad position or avoiding to get a reversal, always flying against higher classed planes.
there is nothing worst that putting that time & effort in just to have a friendly come along after i have wore my apponent down & pluck them out of my site or run my apponent off. usually guys that fly strait into the swarm over & over with no plan or planning....lookinf for easiest softest way to get a kill.
i hate 'pickers' to begin with always looking for an easy shot but friendly picks in my books are worst of all!!!!!
funniest thing about it is i fly on lowest numbered side just so there is lots of targets to go around!
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IMO, if you want to duel, find someplace away from a furball or better yet go to the DA to get your fix.
90% of the time when I'm in a furball and I deliberately let another pilot play around with guy he's trying to kill, I end up regretting it - he get's his butt killed and then I've got not only the new guys coming in with alt to deal with, but the guy that I could have easily taken out a few minutes before climbing up my backside too.
It ain't a deli, where you get to take a number and then wait your turn....
P.S. I almost always fly on the low-numbered side too, so I'm usually working against a numbers disadvantage to begin with. There's a big difference between the 1 v 2 or 1 v 3 (if you get killed playing around) and the 2 v 1 or 2 v 2 that is the case when we clear the bad guy you're piddling around with first, and then deal with the guys coming in.
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This happens me all the time and i would love to the kilshooter to be switched off! But my personal fav is being on a con shootin and starting to see tracers and pings hit ur plane only to find theres 8 friendlys at distance behind u sprayin at con! Its even more amusin once u nail your hard caught con u get assist! Yippee what a waste of 10 mins of ur life. Theres no point gettin annoyed about it'll never change
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Originally posted by Ghastly
IMO, if you want to duel, find someplace away from a furball or better yet go to the DA to get your fix.
90% of the time when I'm in a furball and I deliberately let another pilot play around with guy he's trying to kill, I end up regretting it - he get's his butt killed and then I've got not only the new guys coming in with alt to deal with, but the guy that I could have easily taken out a few minutes before climbing up my backside too.
It ain't a deli, where you get to take a number and then wait your turn....
P.S. I almost always fly on the low-numbered side too, so I'm usually working against a numbers disadvantage to begin with. There's a big difference between the 1 v 2 or 1 v 3 (if you get killed playing around) and the 2 v 1 or 2 v 2 that is the case when we clear the bad guy you're piddling around with first, and then deal with the guys coming in.
He said that he avoids furballs and the horde ... he flys the fringes ... so his complaint does no stem from fighting in a furball. Yes ... in a furball, all bets are off.
I know exactly what he is talking about, and he has every right to be pissed, but that is the mentality of those playing the game ... especially in the LW arenas.
A simple question is all that is needed before dropping in ... "Hey Dastrdly, you need a hand there ?"
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I aggree. I can't tell you how many times a fellow country man sweeps in to "save" me from the guy in my gunsight. I do exactlly as you do, I fly 1942-43 airplanes and look for smaller unit actions. No i'm NOT looking for duels ....
Helm ...out
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Sorry - the fringes of a furball is still the furball -and when "his kills are getting picked by the nameless rabble that's flying straight into the furball" as he's stating, then he's at the furball.
I ask before I give a fellow a hand when he and a con are low and there's no one around - partly out of selfishness, in that I don't want to throw the alt since I fly older planes that don't climb as well generally too.
But that "duel in the middle of nowhere" doesn't sound like what he's describing to me - he's saying he's picking his cons at the edge of the furball, and wants everyone to stay hands off.
That's not likely, and not really reasonable either. IMO of course.
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um...yeah...there is a reason the p40b is so high ENY, because youre likely not to get the bonuses of flying the la7 such as 500mph kill steals and surviving more than 2 minutes against the alt monkeys and furballers and dweeb rides and vulchers and dont forget the trees.
dont mean to be unfair, but there is a late/mid/early war for a reason.
how can anyone complain when the attendance in your favorite aircraft's designated arena is below 15 people.
it's like losing a gun fight with your knife and then complaining whilst still refusing to sign up for the knife fights.
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dont mean to be unfair, but there is a late/mid/early war for a reason.
how can anyone complain when the attendance in your favorite aircraft's designated arena is below 15 people.
it's like losing a gun fight with your knife and then complaining whilst still refusing to sign up for the knife fights. [/B][/QUOTE]
im not compaining about competeing & winning most fights against late models :)....wasnt my point!
dont matter what your flying... dropping in on an obvious fight with out so much as a thank u for setting up an easy kill ....is just plain rude & anoying :furious
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Flying at 15k on the fringes of a fight, hoping to pick off those low fuel/ammo/e is hardy fair.:rolleyes:
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This is the only time I did not appreciate the kill steal.
I am flying around and I spot a goon. I get on his six then all of a sudden he gets killed. I look around and I see a freindly right behind me. I tell him that wasn't cool bud, he says that "oh who gives achit about who gets the kill. I told him when someone spots a goon and cals it out, its just right that he gets the kill. He started ranting and by that time I squelched him.
I I am in the MA I know that it will be few and far between when I will get a one on one.
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I know what he means. I fly around those areas where there are small enemy dar-bars hoping to find a decent one on one, two or three. I still furball on occasion but only on occasion.
Just yesterday I was tooling around in a 109E-4. I'd see a dot on dar and fly toward it. By the time I got there a friendly LaLa had zoomed from a half sector away, right by me to take the kill just before I arrived. This happened twice. The second one, the friendly had turned and was headed the opposite direction and turned back almost a sector for the guy I was headed for.
Can't really complain about it though. Everyone wants a kill but it does get a little frustarting flying slower planes like the 109E-4, Spit I, FM-2 or Hurri outside the furballs When there's not a lot of cons around and another friendly or two in an uber ride.
I get more frustrated when you're in one of these planes and the small dar bar turns into a hoard and the enemy feels they still need to gang you for the kill but I guess that's just the mine, mine, mine syndrome. Not very sporting but it is what it is.
[EDIT] BTW, I did finally get a kill in that E-4, and of all things... it was a LaLa :lol
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I was at a base that had 4 190's deacking and vulching. Three of four of us were able to get up and by the time I had some airspeed up and in the fight it was 2 on 2. I seen a friendly on one so I went after the other one that had a fuel leak. I chased him (heading back towards our airstrip) and killed him over the field. I then got grumbled at for stealing his kill because he punctured the fuel tank. I felt bad but this con was heading back to our base (1K out) and I know I have flown for quite a while and still engaged with a fuel leak. I will stay away from this friendly from now on.
Anyway. I try to always ask and if I see more then 2 on a con I usually pull off but keep an eye on things if there is nothing else to engage.
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Conversely when having a 1on1 i find very annoying when during a fight, which both parties "seem" to be enjoying that one of his her countrymen comes in and just picks....sign of a very poor player in my opinion..
I realise it's the MA and thats what happens, but earlier today it's now happened to me 2 or 3 times....latterly whilst fighting a spit8 and on both occasions our turn fights were actually FUN, the first one I had advantange and the second one the spit8 would probably have killed me anyway...
For the love of god, you might want to ask countrymen if they need help before just jumping in with your wellington boots on
:aok
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Originally posted by WWM
I was at a base that had 4 190's deacking and vulching. Three of four of us were able to get up and by the time I had some airspeed up and in the fight it was 2 on 2. I seen a friendly on one so I went after the other one that had a fuel leak. I chased him (heading back towards our airstrip) and killed him over the field. I then got grumbled at for stealing his kill because he punctured the fuel tank. I felt bad but this con was heading back to our base (1K out) and I know I have flown for quite a while and still engaged with a fuel leak. I will stay away from this friendly from now on.
Anyway. I try to always ask and if I see more then 2 on a con I usually pull off but keep an eye on things if there is nothing else to engage.
Fuel leaks mean nothing. In the F6F-5 I've often had the aux tank shot out after it was already empty. Main tanks still give you around 30 minutes or so. That shot-out empty tank still leaves a vapor trail BTW.
190's have 2-3 tanks depending on model.
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Another whine has been recorded.
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Originally posted by Ghastly
Sorry - the fringes of a furball is still the furball -and when "his kills are getting picked by the nameless rabble that's flying straight into the furball" as he's stating, then he's at the furball.
I ask before I give a fellow a hand when he and a con are low and there's no one around - partly out of selfishness, in that I don't want to throw the alt since I fly older planes that don't climb as well generally too.
But that "duel in the middle of nowhere" doesn't sound like what he's describing to me - he's saying he's picking his cons at the edge of the furball, and wants everyone to stay hands off.
That's not likely, and not really reasonable either. IMO of course.
The fringes are NOTHING like being in one. If you disagree, well, then proceed, but you are incorrect.
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All I have to say is clear my six not my 12.
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In my experience, the MA is invariably a free-for-all, and people usually fight to kill any enemy, not just one which doesn't have a friendly on his tail...
Anyway, when you're in (or not in) a furball, how are you supposed to know if a 'fellow' pilot is able to handle and defeat his opponent or not? Unless you're a really good pilot, you probably won't.
This argument just reminds me of the stereotypical old man who things all kids are nasty and up to no good...this is a game, always will be just a game, and it should be treated as such.
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:cry :cry :cry
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My fave is having a guy yell at another person for shooting at "his" burning Zero, only to have said yeller shoot at a Zero I got burning a couple days later.
People never change, its all about them.
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I've got the perfect way to summarize this situation. I am flying around in a Yak9T, so I need to make sure I have a good shot before I squeeze the trigger. I spot a lone Ju-87, far from our base, so there was no danger to us getting egged. I saddle up, get really close (200), I am about to open fire when I see tracers flying over me from behind and the Ju87 loosing a wing and going down. Behind me is this "friendly" in his dweebfire XVI and yells "Pheeew! It was a race to see who got to that one first!!!" Based on his logic, given I was in front of him, I would have won this imaginary "race"... but no. I almost lost my cool. He then proceeded to the same thing with another con I had saddled up on (a fighter this time)... again, it was a 1vs1 until he swoop out of nowhere with his dweebride and did the same thing. I have yet to understand how some can interpret me being 200yds out from a con's six as needing help to take care of it. This time I did lose my cool and let him have it. He didnt understand why i was pissed. So Dastardly, don't waste your breath. These guys are either really dumb or pretend to be really well.
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Heres what I think: This topic is a whine.
In the MA if its online and its red, then its fair game. Want to duel, go to the DA and get out of the MA.
Now, if a guy calls the target on vox then Im good to pass it by. It the plane obviously has a wing or tail shot off and is fluttering down to the ground then I leave it alone. Not my work. But if its healthy and maneuvering in my field of action that makes it a potential kill and Im well within reasonable game play to engage the con.
last tour I had a LA7 work me over real well and got me smoking on a head on pass during a low alt base defense. Another dweeb mate comes into the fight and we both are engaged in the LA7. Im smoking and Im determined to either end the sortie involuntarily or to gun this LA7 down. Because the other dweeb got into the fight the LA7 was overtasked and I picked the LA7 apart piece by piece until it hit the ground and I got a well deserved kill. I thanked the guy for his help and dont you know this johnny come lately dweeb lit into me about stealing his kill. He was pissed and was a real ****** towards me. Screw that nonsense! I dont play that silly kids game.
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AKAK, are you reading this thread mate? NIKI!!!! :furious
:D
...-Gixer
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All you really have to do is get on range and say " you ok there?" most pile-its will tell you yes or no, and if he suxxors you can always kill the guy that kills him if he wanted no help :aok
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Yeager, you summed it up brilliantly :D
Gwjr2, I understand your point, but many people don't have a mic, and it is not easy to type whilst manoeuvring in a fighter.
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I have yet to have someone complain when I ask them if they wan't me to stay out, or if they need help.
Probably one of three want help.
I don't expect anyone else to do that. I figure I have to play the way I want and other folks will play the way they want.
If they happen to ask me first while I'm in a nice knife fight, I take it as a bonus but I sure don't expect it.
As one who also flies a midwar bird, I know that's my choice and because of it I'll get out run, or guys will race in from on high while I'm fighting at times.
In the end, I can only control me :)
Batfink, you are wrong to say go to the arena where your plane belongs. For me the challenge in LW is beating better planes then my midwar bird. I like fighting from the disadvantage.
If that's what he wants to do, more power to him
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i am only wrong if the person i say it to is enjoying the LW arena.
yet dastardly explained after my post that he wasnt complaining so yes i am wrong here.
but why do we neglect the early/midwar arenas. seems to me a mid war with 100 people would be the best fights imaginable.
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Whining is Whining :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
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Now Kilz..
Didn't you appriciate it when I circled over the LA7 fighting you P51. And then asking you if you still wanted to fight after he hit your engine on the HO before going down?
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If I see a green and red plane fighting it out low, away from the main battle, Ill ask on vox if the friendly needs assistance, and don't dive in unless he says he does.
To me this is simple courtesy.
In a large fight with many cons around in close range anything Red is a target.
Same thing happens more so in WW2OL , where there are far less "furballs" and more individual combats on the live server - you are 1v1 with a RAF/AdA/LW, sometimes just a lone bomber even not even a fight, and a blue tag "saves" you by booming in, all guns firing.
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Yeager, you summed it up brilliantly
Gwjr2, I understand your point, but many people don't have a mic, and it is not easy to type whilst manoeuvring in a fighter.
I tried the hand signals once and that didn't work either. I get ticked when in a base defense and there is only 1.2.or 3 planes left and I'm battleing a con when 5 friendlies dive in to help. I mean cmon why so many planes knights. Funny thing is I kill them just before the 5 planes dive in and then they shootem while falling to the ground. Some knights are getting very frustrating to work with. Please just have some common courtesy so we all can enjoy flying with another. Salute to all Bishops and Rooks. To all my fellow Countrymen an even bigger Salute to you.
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i rarely use my mic..it lays on the floor..
I fly Cannon birds....One Shot one kill.....
But I'm an Ace of Aces..so.. when i shoot at things that are moving they 'splode"
You can thank me in the morning
Let the whines begin
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I feel the same way about this, anytime I come upon a fight between 2 planes I always ask if the fighter needs help, or ask if he has them, it's just common courtesy. Theres nothing worse then when your in a really good 1 on 1 fight and another plane comes in to join the fight without asking first.
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I'll ask too, and i appreciate i when others ask.
I have on more then one occasion used kill shooter to teach a kill stealer a lesson. I'm saddled up on a bird and i see friendly tacers coming over me, i'll pull up into them. Problem solved.
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anytime I come upon a fight between 2 planes I always ask if the fighter needs help
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I think most people who play this game feel the same way.
Some thoughts about MA style tactics:
Most of the time I can tell if a guy is running for his life or needs help otherwise without having to ask.
Also, if you know a person is a decent stick and can take care of himself you just stay nearby in case he loses the fight.
Alot of times a guy is so caught up in the fight he cant take the time to express his need for help. And when you leave a guy to his 1 vs 1 he will often get angry about being left alone.
Best method, always make yourself available to come in with an advantage and whenever the chance looks good and you know what your doing you should just take it.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
He said that he avoids furballs and the horde ... he flys the fringes ... so his complaint does no stem from fighting in a furball. Yes ... in a furball, all bets are off.
I know exactly what he is talking about, and he has every right to be pissed, but that is the mentality of those playing the game ... especially in the LW arenas.
A simple question is all that is needed before dropping in ... "Hey Dastrdly, you need a hand there ?"
Ding.
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Ill add to this mix
2 days ago I was defending a base, I was at 15K orbiting in an A5 the airfield on the lookout for bombers..
well low and behold a P47 comes in, there are a few other friendlies below but all in slow planes (spits) so I dive on this guy as he goes for the pork.. I follow him down..
he ends up on the deck with me on him and the other friendlies behind me..
he starts a steep climb and I take his wing off..
hes keeps traveling upwards for a sec or 2 then then begins spiriling down..
I look back and see Bruin behind me just pumping this guy full of ammo as hes falling,..
he gets the kill and on range remarks "i didnt think that guy would ever go down"
I replied "well you made sure of that didnt you"
he knew exactly what i was implying and shot back..
"well, I had been fighting that guy a long time, so dont worry about it!"
which was an outright lie but whatever..
well, i gues if ya cant do the job your self, let someone else do it and hyena the corpse. :aok
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lol same thing hapens to me all the time in the nik usualy someone will take a wing off the bandit i have cornered. then i just go after the corpse its my kill anyway i worked for it.
no big deal anyway. but its agravating when im firing at a con and someone swoops in front of me and im istadead.
not saying kill shooter should be off but why couldnt they just make it where freindly bullets had no effect? like the ta.
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Not all are steals...
Just last night I was in a fight with a jug low on the deck. He looped and I turned up left then rolled onto his 6. Another friendly did not see me on the bird and he jumped in.... as I saddled up I heard a plane behind me and chk 6 to see this friendly on fire (killshooter). He came in never seeing me. Sometimes it just happens.
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Ding.
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Dong ?
From my perspective in game this problem of kill stealing just isn't an issue.
What we have here in this thread is a minor whinefest. Nothing more....
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Originally posted by goober69
not saying kill shooter should be off but why couldnt they just make it where freindly bullets had no effect? like the ta.
Because ... that would be like turning kill shooter off ? ... :rolleyes:
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Parin: "You need a hand with that guy"
Player: "No I got him"
Parin: "Cool"
Player: "oh he is Good HELP!!!"
-Parin Shoots his wing off-
-Player follows bad guy down shooting to get kill-
Parin: "wtf"
Player: "He was good I wanted the kill & I engaged first"
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Originally posted by Yossarian
Yeager, you summed it up brilliantly :D
Gwjr2, I understand your point, but many people don't have a mic, and it is not easy to type whilst manoeuvring in a fighter.
Thats true but we did it for 3 years before we had Vox and worked just fine and I agree with Yeager 100% :aok
Hey BBQmaw good to see ya but um that would be like 100% hit right
BBQmaw Kills Hit Percentage 6.70 :p hmmm must be AH server error :noid
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Originally posted by parin
Parin: "You need a hand with that guy"
Player: "No I got him"
Parin: "Cool"
Player: "oh he is Good HELP!!!"
-Parin Shoots his wing off-
-Player follows bad guy down shooting to get kill-
Parin: "wtf"
Player: "He was good I wanted the kill & I engaged first"
I have many players on my "watch them die and THEN kill the bad guy that killed 'em" list.
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It happens to all of us, and yes it's part of being in the MA. That alone ough to be enough to reduce the frustration, but sometimes it takes a little more.
When it's particularly aggravating, I've found 3 things that help me keep cool about it:
1. I tell myself that no one could have stolen the kill if I had killed them faster or more definitively. (after all, you can't throw more rounds into an expanding cloud of flaming gases.)
2. Whenever possible, I maneuver INTO the tracers of shoulder shooters -- even if it means I lose a kill. Nothing is quite as sweet as seeing a kill stealer lose a wing... Having that kind of poetic justice is built into the game gives it a big advantage over real life!
3. IMHO, most kill stealers are either occasional transgressors having a bad day (I've thrown some rounds into a carcass in my day, much to my shame), or they're newer guys desperate for a kill, any kill. However, I have a mental list of the few thoroughly selfish guys I've run into. They will not get a check 6 or a clear from me.....and as the Klingons say, revenge is a dish best served cold!
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Stealing is when some ****-*** sprays at a wingless or tailless plane that that someone else disabled.
Beyond that, all bets are off. I am often the guy at mid-alt trying to sucker the E out of higher cons. Yes it ticks me off sometimes when I finally get the formerly hi-con on the ropes and a bunch of shoulder shooters come out of nowhere, but that's the way it is. Those names are noted, and they are placed on the no-check 6 list :)
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I wonder how many people who cry about killstealing are the same types who ride their plane to the ground making killstealing possible?
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revenge is a dish best served cold,, had the pleasure of rolling our squad sortie of 8 into a low furball to see 4 enme on a friendly,,, said friendly had performed the unspeakable kill steal not 30 mins earlier so we circled over top and watched like monkeys as the hyenas tore the carcass to bits,,, funny part was that said friendly knew we wernt gonna help so never even asked for it.......sublime
I keep a list of these offenders..
My beleif in Karma is sufficient to resolve my initial frustration..
die yuppie scum........
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
OIE OIE OIE
Raw Prawns.,.,.,.,...,., dont fk with da shellfish
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Funniest one I've had happen to me was:-
Spotted a spit on a friendlys tail, swung round to engage - literally as I pulled the trigger - the red icon disco'd or something........i was 200 behind him, he was 200 behind friendly - my convergence is set at 400 - can anyone guess what happened next? Yep, boom, tower for shooting my own side.........actually fell out of my chair laughing.........not seen that one before, or since........but it amused me at the time.
So, someone, somewhere, owes me a kill.....:D (someone has to, I give away sooo many in the MA...lol...)
:aok
Wurzel
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Originally posted by Bosco123
This is the only time I did not appreciate the kill steal.
I am flying around and I spot a goon. I get on his six then all of a sudden he gets killed. I look around and I see a freindly right behind me. I tell him that wasn't cool bud, he says that "oh who gives achit about who gets the kill. I told him when someone spots a goon and cals it out, its just right that he gets the kill. He started ranting and by that time I squelched him.
I I am in the MA I know that it will be few and far between when I will get a one on one.
Nice to know someone is fighting over my goonie corpse hehe.
Probably the worst steal I have had happen was when I shot a guy down after 20 minutes of battle, he crash lands and grinds to a stop. Another guy comes in and shoots him on the ground. LOL. I mean I had shot his tail off and one of his wings, but he was low on deck. I didn't bother complaining. Sure wanted to though.
My theory is this for the most part. If you want to duel go to the duel arena. The enemy pilot has made decisions based on the number of pilots in the area. Decisions he would not make if there were only one other guy around and that extends to his weapon and fuel choice too.
Has for the pickers, alt monkees, etc. So be it. I have done it all. War is not fair...at all
Just enjoy the game!
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Originally posted by Murdr
Stealing is when some ****-*** sprays at a wingless or tailless plane that that someone else disabled.
Beyond that, all bets are off. I am often the guy at mid-alt trying to sucker the E out of higher cons. Yes it ticks me off sometimes when I finally get the formerly hi-con on the ropes and a bunch of shoulder shooters come out of nowhere, but that's the way it is. Those names are noted, and they are placed on the no-check 6 list :)
Then 10 min later, those same shoulder shooters are nowhere to be found when you get stuck in a 5 on 1
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Originally posted by Entr0py
Then 10 min later, those same shoulder shooters are nowhere to be found when you get stuck in a 5 on 1
:) Exactly :rofl
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Originally posted by E25280
I wonder how many people who cry about killstealing are the same types who ride their plane to the ground making killstealing possible?
Exactly, I never understand why people ride their plane all the way to the ground, when your wing comes off just hit enter 3 times and end it.
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I am of the school of thought to ask first before helping. It really erks me the way some lemmings follow 1 con lke it really takes 5 guys to kil 1 con. Also yes I have had my kills taken before, most recently I was really letting this con have it with my MG rounds until I was able to get in a nice cannon shot. I release with the 2 X 20mm of my Macci and the con was rend in twain. Just about that time a friendly comes in 6 X .50s blazing away. Low and behold I got an assist for ripping the plane in half just because the .50s fired more ammo faster against the falling hulk. Now I do not remember the fellas name. As I remember it no ill words were exchanged as he apoligised for the steal, and by his admission and aknowlegement of the steal I said something along the lines of "well thats what I get for playing with my food" in a joking manner. As I said both partys knew I had killed it and after all, are we knights not all fighting on the same virual side? This stealing does happen, I tend not to be angered by it. I do however despise fighting an awesome fight against a worthy adversary just to have the fight ended by someone on the oposing side swooping in. I know that I really should not get upset as this is probably the result of either him calling for help or exactly what we are discussing someone on his side swooping in without invitation. I digress, my feelings on this issue and most in this game for that matter is simply put. This is a GAME and while it can be FLOWN in a quasi-realistic manner, it can also be PLAYED in a first person shooter frame of mind. Which leads to the 2 schcools of thought being made manifest in the various pilots flight styles, often pitting one camp against the other. Basically, this and soo many of the other grevences within the comunity can either be given a deaf ear for the sake of preserving the games fun factor or we can worry ourselves silly over the smallest of details and still do nothing to solve any of them.
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Meant to add this in my last post. If you see me fighting no need to ask if I need help just assume I'm losing and HELP!!
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Originally posted by Gixer
AKAK, are you reading this thread mate? NIKI!!!! :furious
:D
...-Gixer
I was just thinking how ironic this thread came up and immediately thought of you :rofl
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Murdr
Those names are noted, and they are placed on the no-check 6 list :)
Explains why you stopped giving me Check 6 calls.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by trax1
Exactly, I never understand why people ride their plane all the way to the ground, when your wing comes off just hit enter 3 times and end it.
Because bailing out is for wussies. Honestly, the only real reason to bail out in this game is for score purposes. Whether you bail out or ride the plane to the ground, the result is still the same, in the tower with a brand new plane waiting for you to take off in.
ack-ack
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hmm if just my wing comes off I usually fly home.
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too bad they dont have a rescue option built into the game, where you can attach yourself from the ground to a vehicle , a jeep or C47 for instance, then if you get back to a vbase or afield then you get to retain your sortie stats and the rescuer gets perks as well.
Someone go put this idea on the wishlist.
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I release with the 2 X 20mm of my Macci and the con was rend in twain. Just about that time a friendly comes in 6 X .50s blazing away.
Just a friendly reminder....
In this instance - similar to when "someone is shooting over your shoulder" it all depends upon the aggregate lag between you and the other player who sees what happen when (and where).
Just as from each of your points of view the other player may appear to be shooting over your shoulder when you each see yourself as the closest to the enemy, when you see someone fire within about a half second or less of when you fire, they may have appeared to have fired first on their own FE, and be thinking the same thoughts about you.
(Obviously, this "grace" is usually only about a 1/4 to 1/2 second long (at the most) the majority of the time - unless the guy is playing from Australia or Japan - and doesn't excuse the guys who follow a half a plane down trying to shoot it.)
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the same guy who whines about getting his kills stolen will post about not being helped next week....if you have 10 minutes in a setup...you need to learn to shoot.
I promise that if there are 2 badguys including yours I won't avoid killing the one you're fighting because sure enough if I had a shot and didn't take it...odds are that guy will pick me while I'm engaged with the other one after he kills you. Sometimes it sucks...but it's better than losing a nearby friendly and ultimately getting shot down if it could've been avoided by wingin up to kill all the badguys.
Sorry to ramble but this post is a silly whine imo..we all get frustrated from time to time.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Because bailing out is for wussies. Honestly, the only real reason to bail out in this game is for score purposes. Whether you bail out or ride the plane to the ground, the result is still the same, in the tower with a brand new plane waiting for you to take off in.
ack-ack
Wrong. Bailing virtually guarantees the guy who shot your plane into an uncontrollable hulk will get the kill instead of the guy looking for harmless hulks to shoot at. Enter-Enter-Enter Dot E F Enter gets you into the tower, into your plane, and back into the fight much quicker than riding it down. (Surely you know this to be so given the altitudes from which you plummet. ;))
So, there are two reasons that are not score related to bail, the result is surely NOT the same, and therefore the claim of it being for "wussies" as opposed to those who have given it some thought is null and void. Three strikes, you're out. :D
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Originally posted by Dastrdly
when i fly i fly to dogfight im usually in a lower classed plane with lighter ammo. i try to avoid the hordes & furballs. i fly the edges or use darbars to track/head off individuall planes. i like to fly/start at a decent alt....15k tops. i put alot of time into my flights between gaining alt & trying to actually find something away from the masses. other wise i end up with a whole lot of assists.
their has been some talk on 200/country about there being no such thing as a 'steal' most comon replys are 'u played with your food to long' or 'looked like you needed help'
alot of my fights do take time, working from a bad position or avoiding to get a reversal, always flying against higher classed planes.
there is nothing worst that putting that time & effort in just to have a friendly come along after i have wore my apponent down & pluck them out of my site or run my apponent off. usually guys that fly strait into the swarm over & over with no plan or planning....lookinf for easiest softest way to get a kill.
i hate 'pickers' to begin with always looking for an easy shot but friendly picks in my books are worst of all!!!!!
funniest thing about it is i fly on lowest numbered side just so there is lots of targets to go around!
Knowing you as I do ...Dick Dastardly. I have some thoughts and comments to add however, I know that any reasoning with you will not be taken in. It takes you about a year of banging your head against a brick wall before it finally dawns on you.
Caught you in the furball conga line twice the other day. Once on the deck and once at 15k. If your a red plane in a sea of green the tower awaits your impending arrival, irrespective of who gets the kill. If you think 1v1's exist in this situation you are deluded beyond reasonable belief. All your typing on 200 isn't going to change it.
Random thoughts and comments in no particular order......Kill stealing is ONLY when you have plainly killed the guy and a friendly pumps the carcase full of ammo on the way down. Can't live in the melee then stay outta it. The edge of the furball is, get this, still the furball. Weak guns beget assists. An anvil gets hammered. Your SA is dreadful. Be vocal on vox and TELL friendlies to "please stay out" of your fight. Kill quicker before your problem is likely to be someone else's problem and fair game. (see weak gun comment) Learn to lead your shots better (see your hit percent). Lot of newbies don't know whats what. DA arena is the only true 1v1 arena. MA is a mix of etiquette, common courtesy and bloody luck when we talk of MA 1v1's. It's not a god given right. Yes it's rude for a guy to blast your hard fought for quarry but get this.....it's the MA. It's going to happen.
If your thread was pertaining to one particular player consistently cherry picking your fights then I would wholeheartedly be with you. There have been players that habitually did this under the guise of "clearing your 6", even though the foe is clearly at your 12 O'clock. They'll engage your con rather than the con coming into your six then get the con that gets you. These guys are worth shaming for their gutless kill tactics. Or as I do... set them up to be killed. However, your thread doesn't do this. You mention one incident by one player. Again.... it's the jungle commonly referred to as the MA.
There's a wall around here somewhere...go knock yourself out:rofl
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"when i fly i fly to dogfight im usually in a lower classed plane with lighter ammo."
"Weak guns beget assists."
Hell I fly the baddest ride in the game and I get 'helped" almost to distraction. Commonly, if I have vox I'll shoot out a "thanks for the help". Most of the "vets" have the presence of mind to use discretion when entering an ongoing fight but I bet we all have a set of mitigating circumstances when we break our own rules of engagement.
When I started playing I took a shot at an icon with tracers coming my way. It was a lawn darting spit and I couldn't tell. I also took hits. And I also got a lot of grief from the guy who took the spit apart to begin with. Just the other day I had some ch200 nonsense about picking in a 1v1 fight 3K OVER A BASE. The friendly later thanked me.
I know I've "stolen" kills, mostly by accident. There's even a guy who I'll do my dangdest to make sure he gets 100% assists. But I make an effort to stay away from conga lines or friendlies pursuing single enemies. Unless there's an imminent threat (buffs ready to drop etc.) or it's a revenge thing and I need to be the guy who gets the kill.
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Originally posted by E25280
Wrong. Bailing virtually guarantees the guy who shot your plane into an uncontrollable hulk will get the kill instead of the guy looking for harmless hulks to shoot at. Enter-Enter-Enter Dot E F Enter gets you into the tower, into your plane, and back into the fight much quicker than riding it down. (Surely you know this to be so given the altitudes from which you plummet. ;))
So, there are two reasons that are not score related to bail, the result is surely NOT the same, and therefore the claim of it being for "wussies" as opposed to those who have given it some thought is null and void. Three strikes, you're out. :D
So I take it you're one of the wussies?
ack-ack
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Whats worse is when the guy drops in, kills the guy the working on, and 2 seconds later you're shot down by someone you didn't see. Or maybe when you're in trouble, fighting 2 or three, and they go for the guy in front of you and not the one turning back in on your 6. It's like you want to say "Gee I was doing better on my own."
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Originally posted by Yeager
too bad they dont have a rescue option built into the game, where you can attach yourself from the ground to a vehicle , a jeep or C47 for instance, then if you get back to a vbase or afield then you get to retain your sortie stats and the rescuer gets perks as well.
Someone go put this idea on the wishlist.
That idea has been on the wish list for years.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
So I take it you're one of the wussies?
ack-ack
Reading comprehension not your strong suit?
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Originally posted by shiningpathb4me
Whats worse is when the guy drops in, kills the guy the working on, and 2 seconds later you're shot down by someone you didn't see. Or maybe when you're in trouble, fighting 2 or three, and they go for the guy in front of you and not the one turning back in on your 6. It's like you want to say "Gee I was doing better on my own."
HAAA!!!!, I've had this happen. The guy peels off his guy, shoots my con out of my gunsight, then his guy is on my 6 shooting me to pieces.
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Originally posted by E25280
Reading comprehension not your strong suit?
Nope, you pretty much said you bail out, so that makes you one of the wussies.
I also don't see how you can blame the player that doesn't bail for the kill steal. He's not the one making those other planes shoot at the wreckage, so you really should place the blame where it belongs and not on the guy that rides the plane down.
So I put it do you again, those that bail do so to preserve what score they can manage out of a failed sortie.
Why do you bail out? I bet it's not out of some pathetic self held honor to prevent the enemy from having his kill stolen. You do so to try and squeeze what ever score you can from the mission.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Because bailing out is for wussies. Honestly, the only real reason to bail out in this game is for score purposes. Whether you bail out or ride the plane to the ground, the result is still the same, in the tower with a brand new plane waiting for you to take off in.
ack-ack
I'll interject on this one. I bail out when ever possible and it's not to preserve me score which admittedly it does do. Firstly I bail out because that's what a pilot would have done. I understand I'm not actually getting me face melted away by fire sat at me PC with cigs and drinks. I'm not about to have me face pinned to me monitor by G force either....just that's what a pilot would have done. Secondly it's way quicker to start a new sortie with bail dot EF. Why would I ride it in the 5 or 10k down to be towered when within a SECOND I can be there? Thirdly it's interesting to know who got the shot on me and not the potential kill stealer.
Buy me a pink frock if that makes me a wussie but those that habitually ride it in are just plain "fick" and waist their time.
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Best thing to do when you get your kill stolen is to get in a fast bird with lots-o-cannon, and follow the thief around and kill every single plane he pionts his nose at. Makes it alot better when your a smartass about it and say something on VOX everytime like "wow that was close, I almost let you have that one."
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Originally posted by Larry
Best thing to do when you get your kill stolen is to get in a fast bird with lots-o-cannon, and follow the thief around and kill every single plane he pionts his nose at. Makes it alot better when your a smartass about it and say something on VOX everytime like "wow that was close, I almost let you have that one."
:rofl :aok
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Hmm...I would have just ignored him and had a good time doing my own thing..but to each their own :aok
If someone is shooting over your shoulder and you dont want them too....PULL UP and absorb a few pings :D
But any vet who furballs will tell you that the faster the enemy planes die the less guns to get solution on you and the better likelihood that more friendlies will survive...so i shoot anything that is in front of me...and flaming japanese planes...sorry if i steal a kill but those bastards burn for a long time to ignore them out of respect for whoever flamed them...not gonna have them turn in on me while im engaging a non-kill steal con.
See the MA is a team based arena...hence countries (teams), bases, other teams to fight etc. So it is not crazy to assume a teammate who doesnt call you off may need help...and even if he/she doesnt think they need help it is still in the team's interest to kill other teams players efficiently (from a game perspective). If you choose to use the MA (as many do) to be a lonewolf and create your own scenarios then you have to accept the other dynamics that come along with your decision...not whine about the fact the other 99% weren't aware of your personal game.
and when i have a kill stolen...so be it...take a deep breath and pump more steel into them next time...if you make them explode they cant credit anyone else...
Soooo relax....have fun....its a game and if you are ANY GOOD AT ALL a few kills here and there should not cause you enough stress to post about the evils of kill stealers...seriously:huh
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Nope, you pretty much said you bail out, so that makes you one of the wussies.
I also don't see how you can blame the player that doesn't bail for the kill steal. He's not the one making those other planes shoot at the wreckage, so you really should place the blame where it belongs and not on the guy that rides the plane down.
So I put it do you again, those that bail do so to preserve what score they can manage out of a failed sortie.
Why do you bail out? I bet it's not out of some pathetic self held honor to prevent the enemy from having his kill stolen. You do so to try and squeeze what ever score you can from the mission.
ack-ack
So, you are saying you didn't read my first post, or at best decided to see only what you wanted to see anyway. I guess reading is for wussies in your book, too.
How about this. The only reason not to bail once your plane becomes uncontrollable is if you are one of those blow-hards who for unexplainable reasons think there is something "macho" about dying a cartoon death. I am sure we are all very impressed with your capacity to endure such hardships. :rolleyes:
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
LOL Target......see me later Bro, I'll help remove the #4 barbed hook.........hopefully ya didn't swollow the line and sinker again..........you know what happened last time :D
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Originally posted by E25280
How about this. The only reason not to bail once your plane becomes uncontrollable is if you are one of those blow-hards who for unexplainable reasons think there is something "macho" about dying a cartoon death. I am sure we are all very impressed with your capacity to endure such hardships. :rolleyes:
No matter how you try and gloss it over, the only reason why you bail out is to preserve as much of your score as you can. Hence, only those that play for score or rank are much more likely to bail out rather than ride it in so they can eek out as many points as possible so their score and rank don't suffer. Knowing that you're probably one of these type of players, my assertion that you're a wuss is probably spot on, especially from your vehement protests to the contrary.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
No matter how you try and gloss it over, the only reason why you bail out is to preserve as much of your score as you can. Hence, only those that play for score or rank are much more likely to bail out rather than ride it in so they can eek out as many points as possible so their score and rank don't suffer. Knowing that you're probably one of these type of players, my assertion that you're a wuss is probably spot on, especially from your vehement protests to the contrary.
ack-ack
:rofl I R teh skor dweeb. :rofl :rolleyes: :rofl
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
No matter how you try and gloss it over, the only reason why you bail out is to preserve as much of your score as you can. Hence, only those that play for score or rank are much more likely to bail out rather than ride it in so they can eek out as many points as possible so their score and rank don't suffer. Knowing that you're probably one of these type of players, my assertion that you're a wuss is probably spot on, especially from your vehement protests to the contrary.
ack-ack
Reason most people bail is that, "enter enter enter .ef" gets you in the air again alot faster then spining to the ground.
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Report immediately to the DA thread :)
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I wouldn't consider this whinning because I think its common frustration in the game.
I admit, I have ''stolen'' some kills in the past but never really intentional. For example if I see one of my guys fighting in 1vs1, I'll stay out but will ask if he needs help. Usually because busy, I don't always get response right away. If that happens, i'll wait (if no other baddies around) and if he can't shake the bad guy off his six, I come in and make attempt to clear his tail.
Another example is when I see several guys chasing bad guy. I'll dive in to help turn the baddie around, although sometimes I end up shooting him down and get the kill (this goes under stealing unintentionally).
There as been times when I will help one of my guys shoot down someone if they are having hard time; I'll score some pings and then disengage, hoping that I did enough damage so my guy can get kill but doesn't always happen that way (this is pretty similiar to the example above)
This is more of an example of gangbanging but I got PM from one of my guys claiming I stole the kill. I won't say his name or the name of the bish, but I dove down to clear off YAK on this guy's tail. I was coming in pretty fast but got good hits near engine so made it leaking oil which in turn made him turn away from my guy. Few more knights came in and end up being 4 vs 1. I didn't want to particupate (please excuse my bad spelling) so I disengaged and went off to find my own fight. Few minutes later, the ''you shot down so-so" came up. That was when the PM came.
I simply replied back and told him that he was in fact trouble and all I did was dive down, few hits then dove up and away from the battle so he could get away, or get on yak's six
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Originally posted by RoGenT
Another example is when I see several guys chasing bad guy. ...
There as been times when I will help one of my guys shoot down someone if they are having hard time;
If it's one guy CLEARLY PULLING AWAY FROM several friendlies, and I'm in a position to cut him off without putting myself at risk, I'll often turn him, or kill him if he doesn't turn. That's not "stealing" - it's just good sense. Let him get away and come back, and I'll be dealing with him when I'm low on E after an engagement of my own. And coincidentally, even when you kill him as often as not you'll get an assist instead of the kill. And if I can make him break back into the friendlies, even better - I'll usually just pat myself on the back and zoom back up retaining most of my E. If it's 2 to 3 (or more) on the same guy and they are in an angles fight, I don't usually mess with it - long odds are they don't need any help and he's as good as dead already anyway - me giving up my E to join the crowd is just dumb.
A lot of time even when it's a 1v1 and the guy says he needs a hand I'll do the same thing, especially if the enemy is low enough to be of no direct risk but the area is a "risky" place to be caught low and slow. I'll announce that I'm going to try to "break him off" and then make an energy conserving pass on the bad guy that's never really intended to get guns on in the first place - this often allows the guy who's already fighting him to saddle up while he's avoiding my pass, and gain the angles he needs.
And it leave's me altitude and E for dealing with his brethren, who are usually just dot-distance away (at most) it seems like (most of the time, anyway).