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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Habu on January 20, 2008, 08:32:08 PM
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Hope it is not anyone we know.
4 dead as planes collide in Calif. 18 minutes ago
CORONA, Calif. - Two private planes flying about a mile from an airport collided Sunday, killing at least four people and raining debris down on car dealerships below, authorities said.
The small Cessnas collided at 3:35 p.m. near the small Corona Municipal airport and a freeway in Riverside County, about 45 miles southeast of Los Angeles, FAA spokesman Allen Kenitzer said.
Three of the dead were from the planes and the fourth was in a car hit by debris on the ground, Kenitzer said.
Debris fell on car dealerships, and television pictures showed that the smashed fuselage of one of the planes landed atop a parked car.
"The smaller aircraft ... just disintegrated into pieces, maybe fifty pieces coming down," eyewitness Jeff Hardin told KABC-TV. "The other aircraft pretty much stayed intact and started spiraling down."
"We're going through the dealerships to make sure everyone's accounted for and nobody's injured," Corona Police Sgt. Jerry Pawluczenko said.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080121/ap_on_re_us/planes_collide;_ylt=AqaJGRErl7O6jZQ2GRvkRtJvzwcF
Proper link.
It's near by here, but I didn't hear anything...
Guy on the ground must be very unlucky......
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:(
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sad news.
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Sad times indeed. :(
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Okay i can understand how two planes collide, but the poor sob sitting in a parked car, being crushed to death.....:(
When death comes, its anyway out i guess.
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
Okay i can understand how two planes collide, but the poor sob sitting in a parked car, being crushed to death.....:(
When death comes, its anyway out i guess.
You wouldnt even know it as you sit sipping your latte and listening to top 40, that up in the sky some moron just set in motion the events that would kill you. Just Sip,Bam, Blackness. That would suck.
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Happened on the turn from crosswind to downwind. I wonder if navy turns would have helped. I've started doing one continuous gentle turn from upwind to downwind (as well as downwind to final) to keep good visibility and minimize bank angle at low speed. Cut one of the coffin corners out of the equation.
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Bodies fall out of sky:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080121/ap_on_re_us/planes_collide
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CORONA, Calif. - Investigators picked through the gnarled wreckage Monday of two small planes that collided about a mile from an airport, killing five and raining debris and bodies down on car dealership parking lots.
The two small Cessnas crashed at 3:35 p.m. Sunday near the small Corona Municipal Airport, just north of the Riverside Freeway, authorities said.
Two people were killed from each plane, and a fifth was killed inside a Chevy dealership hit by wreckage, said Wayne Pollack of the National Transportation Safety Board.
"There were bodies falling out of the sky," eyewitness Hector Hernandez told KCBS-TV. "One of them crashed into the top of a Ford Mustang, and another one fell not too far behind that one on the parking lot."....
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One could only hope they were killed in the air to air collision and not when hitting the ground.
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Thats what happens when two planes HO each other and neither has guns
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I guess they forgot to hit 'O' after bailing.
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Try harder next time Aquaboy...
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Tasteless as usual shrimp. :huh
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Nice post shrimp:aok
Richard Cranium at it again.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Just Sip,Bam, Blackness. That would suck.
It would actually be a blessing.
Beats the doo-dah out of dying slowly to some disease, gradually watching your capabilites become incapacitation.
Cheerful thought, eh?
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You're a real salamander aqua. I'm sick of these stupid comments you make...I sure hope karma comes around soon.
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I thought that was actually very creative and funny.
For a 12 year old. :rolleyes:
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Isn't about time you stopped posting Shrimp? It's been a couple years now and still nothing good has come from you.
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Latest news is that it was a Cessna 172 and a Cessna 150. Both had two people in them.
This is a good example of why an extra set of eyes is not always a good thing. If you have a passenger and you spend your time talking to them instead of keeping a look out you are actually worse off than flying alone.
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Originally posted by Toad
It would actually be a blessing.
Beats the doo-dah out of dying slowly to some disease, gradually watching your capabilites become incapacitation.
Cheerful thought, eh?
Remember the scene in The Great Waldo Pepper where his buddy is trapped in a burning plane? For some reason that has haunted me ever since.
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Why do I have the sensation that they are going to enforce obligatory PCAS in GA?
Daniel
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To do that and make it effective, ALL planes would need to have it. That means a whole bunch of planes without electrical systems would need to have them installed. That seems pretty unlikely.
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If I'm not mistaken, all GA airplanes operating from controlled airfields are required to equip a mode A Xpndr, and modern PCAS can even operate on batteries. That's about all you need.
Daniel
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First, no, you're not required to have a transponder to operate from controlled fields, so unfortunately, yes, you're quite mistaken. The only time you NEED a transponder for VFR flight is when you're within 30 miles of an airport that controls Class B airspace (like SeaTac, LAX, Frisco, etc). You can do negative-transponder flight into and around other airports, but the services available will be limited and some busier airports may say 'stay clear of our airspace' if things are really busy, but you're not required to have a transponder.
Second, controlled airports account for a miniscule percentage of airports in the US. Almost every airport is uncontrolled.
All of the PCAS systems use transponder responses to get traffic. If a plane doesn't have a transponder, then, well, it's not going to show anything. The PCAS may be battery operated, but it's worthless unless the other planes are using transponders.
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Copy that, here in Spain all GA aircraft are required to have a Xpndr if they are to enter controlled airspace, and since the JAR were an adaptation of the FAR, I figured they would be similar.
Daniel
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Originally posted by Chairboy
The only time you NEED a transponder for VFR flight is when you're within 30 miles of an airport that controls Class B airspace (like SeaTac, LAX, Frisco, etc). You can do negative-transponder flight into and around other airports, but the services available will be limited and some busier airports may say 'stay clear of our airspace' if things are really busy, but you're not required to have a transponder.
Not knocking you, and i'm sure you know, but if you don't, I don't want ya getting busted.....
Not only do you need an xpnder when operating within 30 of Class Bravo, but also when operating within or above Bravo or Charlie, and over 10,000 msl.
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Arg, you're right, forgot to mention 10k and the over BC-space rules. But that's still pretty limited.
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Just wanted to make sure you knew...I know your punching holes in your airplane all the time hehe!!!
But yea, for GA it is extremely limited...Unless you live in the Colorado region, you really don't have any reason to be flying 10,000 msl in a GA single...Theres plenty of class G, E (up to 10) and D airspace to use.....Why spend the extra money hehe.
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Originally posted by cav58d
Not only do you need an xpnder when operating within 30 of Class Bravo
True...unless you happen to be flying an aircraft that was not originally certificated with an engine-driven electrical system or which has not subsequently been certified with a system installed.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Arg, you're right, forgot to mention 10k and the over BC-space rules. But that's still pretty limited.
And crossing an ADIZ and.... (you still missed a few)
Seriously, if you're going to make a blanket statement like "the only time you need..." it's best to list all of the "only times." You sure you're ready for an instrument rating?
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Originally posted by jigsaw
You sure you're ready for an instrument rating?
Where'd that come from?