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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: A8balls on January 20, 2008, 09:31:44 PM
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What exactly is "Gaming" the game and what actions are considered as doing such?
I've read this phrase alot on the forum, but it just seems that if someone doesn't like a particular action in the game, such as divebombing Lancs, it's called "Gaming". :rolleyes:
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there is a lot of things that can be called "gaming the game"
Your Lanc example. Dive bomb with a set of lanc would in all cases cause the pilot and crew death, target would NOT be hit, and the plane was never designed to perform that kind of maneuver. However, we have a game here, so some things are "relaxed" a bit. The plane can handle the manuever, you can hit targets pretty reliably due to practice, and you can practice it, because nobody dies.
So, to a "purest" anything that wouldn't, or couldn't be done in real life, shouldn't be done in the game. "Buff guys" climb to high alts and make there bombing runs while trying to avoid radar, and would be happy with a few 51 as cover. "Fighter guys" look for fights, air combat. The rest of the players are "gamers" they just play the game, history to them is what their score was last month.
There are buff guys, and fighter guys, but contrary to any believ, there is no such thing as a "GV guy". I've seen a few fights that were close to being GV "battles", but for the most part it was only a battle till they could get the spawn camped :D
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At its core "gaming the game" is taking advantage of an issue inherent to the games design not player skill...
2 examples are turning the detail slider all the way down in GV's and "flopping" in a fight to the point that the game cant update the changes as fast as the planes orientation is changing. There are many others...
In some folks mind it extends to things like those fugitive mentioned or even beyond...
At its extreme its anything that uses an aspect of the game to eliminate or counter an other players actual skill...
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gaming the game..
here is another example...SCORE...potatos...
You do things to increase your rank..but stay away from any opposition...You milk run targets...and make sure the no enemies close by.....So the score represents that your very good at Bombing Gvs and Ftrs...But you do this while NEVER geting close to a enemy that can shoot at you
Milk run was a term used in WW2 that meant you were going to bomb a target that was known to have little if any defenses
Milk runs in here mean if you see a red bar in the area..you leave and go somewhere else
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The Air Ministry's specifications for the Lancs included the ability to dive bomb up to 30 degrees. This specification carried over from the 2 engine to the 4 engine design. This alone is why the bomb bay doors are so large. Being a RL pilot myself, I guarantee that any aircraft can dive at 90 degrees and most pilots are trained to recover from this attitude.
Detail slider & flopping. I see your point.
Milk runs are a very big part of real history. Bomber pilots "scoring" without getting into a fight is exactly the point.
Anyone else?
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Originally posted by A8balls
The Air Ministry's specifications for the Lancs included the ability to dive bomb up to 30 degrees. This specification carried over from the 2 engine to the 4 engine design. This alone is why the bomb bay doors are so large. Being a RL pilot myself, I guarantee that any aircraft can dive at 90 degrees and most pilots are trained to recover from this attitude.
B-24s were used for "dive bombing" in the CBI with dives of about 30 degrees. I too am a pilot and have flown B-17s and B-24s. While it's "possible" for them to go straight down it's the last thing I'd want to do in them.
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Why? This thread seems like a troll and no matter what is posted, "you are not gaming the game by dive bombing in lancs".
What else is there to "divulge"?
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
and the plane was never designed to perform that kind of maneuver. However, we have a game here, so some things are "relaxed" a bit.
Yeah like performing a tight immelman going 250mph in a set of lancs.
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What I'd consider gaming the game, knowingly using a glitch or short fall of on-line entertainment to your advantage.
Examples:
1: Having a powerful PC and turning down the details to see GVs.
2: (this happened a couple of patches ago) Backing GVs into windmills so that one cannot kill you
3:The old "Cable Puller" (Not sure if this really works)
I'm sure that there are many more, but thats what I consider gaming the game.
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I was down and deep in a tree farm near a town we were trying to capture a while back and was wondering just how the heck the base defenders were putting rounds so close to my hidden position. I had the engine turned off and after a while could hear a Sherman (Firefly?) coming up in the distance. I thought I was safe deep in there and the guy came up opposite the small bank I was hiding behind and popped a round into me, dead. How the he11 did he come right to me like that, the trees should have hid me. Well, now I know. He a slider dweeb.
Since I knew he was well off the beaten path I went and grabbed a Hog and found the guy high tailing it back to the town. I dropped an egg on him and gave him the ch200 smiley. He chided me for not being a "skilled" tanker lol
What a slider dweeb :aok
I know better now.
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Yes sometimes it makes me a little angry. You find the perfect place to ambush, then the rounds come flying in from distances so far. Like you said, at least if they kill ya, its just as fun to give them a little surprise.
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I can relate to the slider dweebery.
I used to like good GV hunting battles where you're playing cat & mouse in the trees with another GV, sitting still listening with engine off, starting and moving, crawling slowly stalking the other guy and you know he's having fun too. Then some dweeb pops you from outside the forest because he's got his sliders turned down and has no issues seeing you at all. At least I know the last guy I was hunting with gave his countryman an earful for spoiling the hunt.
As it stands now I don't do much GV work any more. Those that I do are simple straight run base capture and supply with M3's or vulcher hunting with Ostwinds.
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A8 balls is defnlty a milkrunner..
mooo
no skill dweeb
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Using a bug, or inconsistency in the game to benefit yourself.
Like when you could drive a tank into a windmill and shoot out but enemy's couldn't shoot in. Hiding a tank in the indestructible hanger to do the same.
Anything that gives an unfair advantage that the game (for now) allows.
But that gives you an unfair advantage.
And yes the borderline on this can be pretty thin.
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Originally posted by A8balls
The Air Ministry's specifications for the Lancs included the ability to dive bomb up to 30 degrees. This specification carried over from the 2 engine to the 4 engine design. This alone is why the bomb bay doors are so large. Being a RL pilot myself, I guarantee that any aircraft can dive at 90 degrees and most pilots are trained to recover from this attitude.
Detail slider & flopping. I see your point.
Milk runs are a very big part of real history. Bomber pilots "scoring" without getting into a fight is exactly the point.
Anyone else?
ahhhh spoken like a true gamer :D
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another is to turn down your plane's engine to hear approaching planes.
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Originally posted by A8balls
The Air Ministry's specifications for the Lancs included the ability to dive bomb up to 30 degrees. This specification carried over from the 2 engine to the 4 engine design. This alone is why the bomb bay doors are so large. Being a RL pilot myself, I guarantee that any aircraft can dive at 90 degrees and most pilots are trained to recover from this attitude.
Detail slider & flopping. I see your point.
Milk runs are a very big part of real history. Bomber pilots "scoring" without getting into a fight is exactly the point.
Anyone else?
Yes..... did they also bail out just past their bomb drop?
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
So, to a "purest" anything that wouldn't, or couldn't be done in real life, shouldn't be done in the game. "Buff guys" climb to high alts and make there bombing runs while trying to avoid radar, and would be happy with a few 51 as cover. "Fighter guys" look for fights, air combat. The rest of the players are "gamers" they just play the game, history to them is what their score was last month.
I think you're right on the mark. I prefer to level-bomb. Anytime that I dive-bomb in a bomber, it's usually in such planes as Ju-88's that actually posessed that ability. Or, I could just fly a Jug.
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Originally posted by A8balls
The Air Ministry's specifications for the Lancs included the ability to dive bomb up to 30 degrees. This specification carried over from the 2 engine to the 4 engine design. This alone is why the bomb bay doors are so large. Being a RL pilot myself, I guarantee that any aircraft can dive at 90 degrees and most pilots are trained to recover from this attitude.
Detail slider & flopping. I see your point.
Milk runs are a very big part of real history. Bomber pilots "scoring" without getting into a fight is exactly the point.
Anyone else?
Sounds like you want to justify your gaming to me. Do what you have to do,
but you're not going to game legitimacy for your actions.
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I've found that the best way for me to defeat slider dweebs is this:
Up a Sherman (dark color even if the opponent doesn't have skins enabled)
Find a spot nestled in behind some trees, farm houses, windmill, etc...
Don't shoot anything until they are up close and personal
I tested out the slider thing. It lets you see through obstacles from distances but once you get up close everything appears (trees, etc..) And most people don't go looking for something to shoot at unless they are being shot at. So when you fire up close...they cant see you till it's too late. But if you fire from a distance, they will follow your rounds right to your location. Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't....but that's my knowledge
#S#
Banshee7
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I agree with some of ya but:
1. When you continue to up LVTs feet dry,drop troop, and ditch till you have 100 running, thats gaming the game.
2. There is a such thing as GV dudes in the game. Use to be one.
3. Seen first hand the Windmill glitch.
4. Remember on old maps when you could pull into that building between Vbases you could see out but no one could see in.
5. Dropping troops over ABase to draw ack. Poor lil drunks
6. Big annoyance Buffs who ditch once you headed to them or they completely miss target.
7 Believe there are many more.
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Alt f4 to pull off base captures.
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Originally posted by A8balls
such as divebombing Lancs, it's called "Gaming". :rolleyes:
Can you believe this BS? Probably some whining little furballer that has no clue on why the game was created or how to fight a war. Ignore him
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Originally posted by Yeager
I was down and deep in a tree farm near a town we were trying to capture a while back and was wondering just how the heck the base defenders were putting rounds so close to my hidden position. I had the engine turned off and after a while could hear a Sherman (Firefly?) coming up in the distance. I thought I was safe deep in there and the guy came up opposite the small bank I was hiding behind and popped a round into me, dead. How the he11 did he come right to me like that, the trees should have hid me. Well, now I know. He a slider dweeb.
Since I knew he was well off the beaten path I went and grabbed a Hog and found the guy high tailing it back to the town. I dropped an egg on him and gave him the ch200 smiley. He chided me for not being a "skilled" tanker lol
What a slider dweeb :aok
I know better now. [/QUOTE
even the slider can be defeated if you will relocate in the trees after the nme gets close he will not see you at close up! the only way he can find you now is sound or a distant spotter. the slider only works at a distance, a good tanker knows to never stay put too long! I like to hide on the other side of the trees from the nme in the clear so as to use his advantage agains him,by the time he finds me i've locked on to his motor noise and out he pops,only thing is you need to get him on the first shot (not always my strong point)!
taking advantage of the flaws in the program are gaming the game but not cheating per say. a gv'r that drives around and finds sweet spots in the terrain may not be your favorite player but it does take alot of hours to do so and the plus is next update those spots probably wont be there, cause someone went to the trouble to find them and somebody else went to the trouble of reporting them after getting killed a few times!
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Originally posted by A8balls
The Air Ministry's specifications for the Lancs included the ability to dive bomb up to 30 degrees. This specification carried over from the 2 engine to the 4 engine design. This alone is why the bomb bay doors are so large. Being a RL pilot myself, I guarantee that any aircraft can dive at 90 degrees and most pilots are trained to recover from this attitude.
Detail slider & flopping. I see your point.
Milk runs are a very big part of real history. Bomber pilots "scoring" without getting into a fight is exactly the point.
Anyone else?
From the flight manual for the Lancaster....
(iii) The aircraft is designed for maneuvers appropriate to a heavy bomber and care must be taken to avoid imposing excessive loads in a recovery from dives and turns at high speed. Spinning and aerobatics are not permitted.
Violent use of the rudder should be avoided at high speeds.
(ii) Maximum speeds in m.p.h. I.A.S.
Diving: 360
Bomb doors open: as for diving
Undercarriage down: 200
Flaps down: 200
(iii) Maximum weights:
Take-off and straight flying 65,000 lb.
Landing and all forms of flying 55,000 lb.
Flying should be restricted to straight and level until weight is reduced to 63,000 lb.
(iv) bomb clearance angles:
Dive 30°
Climb 20°
Bank 10°
30 degree dive angle...
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/htc/30degree.jpg)
With that said, holding a 30 degree dive for any length of time from high alt would cause the aircraft to exceed the maximum dive speed. I think it'd be pretty safe to say that 30 degree dive bombing was scarce, unless it was done from relatively low altitudes and for a short period of time.
From all accounts I've read, the Lancaster did come in at high altitude and did "Dive to target", but actually bombed in a level position. There's a big difference between "diving to a target" and "dive bombing".
And using maximum clearance angles and speeds isn't always a good thing to do. These are extreme cases and would not fall under normal conditions. That's like a 747 doing a loop. Can it do it given the right conditions? Yes. Would anyone do it on a regular basis? Hell no!
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One of the gamiest things I've seen is when some guy parked his M3 inside my Panzer in order to avoid getting damaged by straffing fighters. I'm not sure if this actually works, but its very gamey -- it's taking advantage of a convenient feature of the game, friendly collisions off, in a way that doesn't match either reality or the intent of the game designer.
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Flying an La is gaming the game.
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This thread is getting gamey.
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Originally posted by NHawk
(ii) Maximum speeds in m.p.h. I.A.S.
Diving: 360
With that said, holding a 30 degree dive for any length of time from high alt would cause the aircraft to exceed the maximum dive speed.
I used to fly Lancs all the time (23K level bomb runs). On my way home i'd hold ~30 degree dive rate at ~360 i.a.s and that was still with some throttle applied.
It's easy to hold that speed at that dive angle.
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I am surprised no one mentioned the invisible tank or plane trick.
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Well one thing is for sure, anybody that didnt know about the slider trick, does now after reading this post.
Guess ill throw one in the POTand stir it around:
Driving any gv into the fenced in area on a VH base. Driving right up to the fence and fire. You can shoot them they cant shoot you.
If you didnt know this now you do!!
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This thread is starting to read as a "how to" manual.
Skuzzy? lockey lockey time by chance?
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Originally posted by WMLute
This thread is starting to read as a "how to" manual.
Skuzzy? lockey lockey time by chance?
Why lock it?
If everybody knows, then, it's less of an advantage..
I have issue with the fence thing, and would not use it, but if I see it, I can develop a defense (no pun intended).
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Originally posted by Scca
Why lock it?
If everybody knows, then, it's less of an advantage.
How about "If nobody knows about it then we don't have to deal with it".
Why train morons who want to know how to Game the Game new tricks?
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Originally posted by WMLute
How about "If nobody knows about it then we don't have to deal with it".
Why train morons who want to know how to Game the Game new tricks?
How about we post them all, and in two weeks they will b e fixed?
Holding breath:O
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This one never had a chance from the get go. This will be locked by the end of the night.
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Originally posted by Husky01
This one never had a chance from the get go. This will be locked by the end of the night.
Why is that? This is a discussion forum and people are discussing some problems they see with the game, and how some people take advantage of them. The result of this should be fixing said problems. Not a locked thread.
We know its happening. We see it happening. Locking the thread will not make it go away. Fixing it on the other hand will.
Who knows, maybe they will fix the P40 flaps while at it.
Turning blue
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Originally posted by WMLute
How about "If nobody knows about it then we don't have to deal with it".
Why train morons who want to know how to Game the Game new tricks?
While I agree that in a perfect world even those who stumbled onto a glitch or bug would choose not to use it to their advantage. Sadly, this is not a perfect world we live in.
Knowing about a bug/exploit goes a long way to making that bug/exploit useless. Take the old windmill bug from a few patches back. Before I knew about that bug, I lost several tanks trying to defend a vbase from one of these gamers. After finding out about the bug, once I realized someone was taking advantage of it, I found an out of his field of fire place to sit, and warned all my team mates about the invisible, indestructible tank hiding in the windmill. Since no one would come into his sights, he ended his sortie allowing normal game play to continue. No victims for him, no more fun him.
You know as well as I do, there are players out there who spend hours and hours trying to find even the slightest bug to exploit. There is no way possible, to ensure no one will ever know about, and take advantage of these exploits. Honorable play could, but this is a free world and even the gamers have a place in it.
Deal with it we must. The question is what is the best way to deal with it until it can be addressed via program update? I prefer to know and adjust tactics instead of letting the little buggers get the best of me because they “think” they have an advantage.
Besides, what better way to make a gamer mad that to bomb his "through the fence shooting back side" to oblivion?
Just a thought…
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Alright. I'll tell you about my own personal way to cheat.
I might use terms that some people don't understand so I'll explain it as I go.
Usually when I see an enemy plane, I try not to HO. A HO is to be no-skill dweeb that flies straight at the other plane with guns blazing dropping raining, burning brass on the ground.
No, what I do is avoid the plane head on and try to get around on their bellybutton end. That's "their six" for the less apt.
Then I don't go for the golden BB firing everything I have hoping to get a hit at 1000 yards. Oh no, my friend, I try to fly close to the other plane taking only short bursts rather than expend all my ammo wildly trying to spell my name in cursive in the air using tracers. The closer you are to the enemy plane, the easier it is to hit them. I know that seems a crazy, outside-the-box idea...but it really works. Try it sometime.
Also, while doing all of this, I like to check around me to make sure no one is sneaking up on me. This is called SA which doesn't mean sucking ass, rather Situational Awareness.
The strange thing about this is that you alone are responsible for your own ass; not every other swinging dick on your country. I don't rely on check sixes to keep danger at bay.
Again, it seems crazy. But it's crazy like a fox because it works.
There. That's how I "cheat".
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Originally posted by Urthona
One of the gamiest things I've seen is when some guy parked his M3 inside my Panzer in order to avoid getting damaged by straffing fighters. I'm not sure if this actually works, but its very gamey -- it's taking advantage of a convenient feature of the game, friendly collisions off, in a way that doesn't match either reality or the intent of the game designer.
Good to drive an m3 to map room, inside a tiger!
:aok
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Originally posted by dedalos
How about we post them all, and in two weeks they will b e fixed?
Holding breath:O
:lol :rofl :lol :rofl
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Originally posted by Yknurd
Alright. I'll tell you about my own personal way to cheat.
I might use terms that some people don't understand so I'll explain it as I go.
Usually when I see an enemy plane, I try not to HO. A HO is to be no-skill dweeb that flies straight at the other plane with guns blazing dropping raining, burning brass on the ground.
No, what I do is avoid the plane head on and try to get around on their bellybutton end. That's "their six" for the less apt.
Then I don't go for the golden BB firing everything I have hoping to get a hit at 1000 yards. Oh no, my friend, I try to fly close to the other plane taking only short bursts rather than expend all my ammo wildly trying to spell my name in cursive in the air using tracers. The closer you are to the enemy plane, the easier it is to hit them. I know that seems a crazy, outside-the-box idea...but it really works. Try it sometime.
Also, while doing all of this, I like to check around me to make sure no one is sneaking up on me. This is called SA which doesn't mean sucking ass, rather Situational Awareness.
The strange thing about this is that you alone are responsible for your own ass; not every other swinging dick on your country. I don't rely on check sixes to keep danger at bay.
Again, it seems crazy. But it's crazy like a fox because it works.
There. That's how I "cheat".
thanks a million Drunky, I bet I can really rack up my points alot better following your "cheats advice" very good to know, thanks again :aok
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Another way people see GVs and where they're coming in from is by using god mode view in the tower or from man guns. For those that dont know god mode view..... just hit f3, f5 and f8 and wham boom, you got god vision. The whole slider thing......is just cheap. People wonder why I went from GVing to being a GV killer....this thread answers most of my reasons for it.
I heard it proposed that if the rankin system was scrapped, some of this gaming the game would end cause no would have scores or ranks to protect. As time goes on, I am inclined to agree with this.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
Alright. I'll tell you about my own personal way to cheat.
I might use terms that some people don't understand so I'll explain it as I go.
Usually when I see an enemy plane, I try not to HO. A HO is to be no-skill dweeb that flies straight at the other plane with guns blazing dropping raining, burning brass on the ground.
No, what I do is avoid the plane head on and try to get around on their bellybutton end. That's "their six" for the less apt.
Then I don't go for the golden BB firing everything I have hoping to get a hit at 1000 yards. Oh no, my friend, I try to fly close to the other plane taking only short bursts rather than expend all my ammo wildly trying to spell my name in cursive in the air using tracers. The closer you are to the enemy plane, the easier it is to hit them. I know that seems a crazy, outside-the-box idea...but it really works. Try it sometime.
Also, while doing all of this, I like to check around me to make sure no one is sneaking up on me. This is called SA which doesn't mean sucking ass, rather Situational Awareness.
The strange thing about this is that you alone are responsible for your own ass; not every other swinging dick on your country. I don't rely on check sixes to keep danger at bay.
Again, it seems crazy. But it's crazy like a fox because it works.
There. That's how I "cheat".
..and what are your real-life interests/responsibilities again? :huh
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Originally posted by Scca
You know as well as I do, there are players out there who spend hours and hours trying to find even the slightest bug to exploit. There is no way possible, to ensure no one will ever know about, and take advantage of these exploits. Honorable play could, but this is a free world and even the gamers have a place in it.
Deal with it we must. The question is what is the best way to deal with it until it can be addressed via program update? I prefer to know and adjust tactics instead of letting the little buggers get the best of me because they “think” they have an advantage.
Besides, what better way to make a gamer mad that to bomb his "through the fence shooting back side" to oblivion?
Just a thought…
agree'd! accept for one thing , i don't think there are that many players who actually spend hours looking for the bugs, they just stumble across them while looking for a real tactical advantage!
i know for a fact that alot of players dont know how to set up there g.v. gun sight to get the max preformance out of it, i do, yet i am not cheating, just useing the tools givin to me yet i have been called a cheater many times because someone, i shot, could not see my location!(and i am not talking about a slider, you should see my moniter lol)
recently i was on a v-base in an osti in a new location from the norm. trying to get a little advantage, i could see the planes and shoot them down as usual but i lived thru alot of bombing and straffeing, more than normal as i defended the base and the planes stoped coming, then 200 lit up like a cristmas tree how i was cheating, cause i could not get killed! this spot is on the feild, it looks like all the other spots , no difference getting to it than any other, i have used it again and it still works on air cons but not as well agains g.v.'s this is just a spot in the feild next to the tower. i dont think that is a cheat just a good location, am i wrong? lol:noid
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An exploit, perhaps, but not a cheat. Cheats have to be dealt with, while exploits do not require action. Both result in a playing field that isn't always level, but the ground game in AH is pretty much a side show anyway. As long as the exploits become commonly known, people can find ways to counter them, and gameplay doesn't suffer too much.
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Originally posted by A8balls
What exactly is "Gaming" the game and what actions are considered as doing such?
I've read this phrase alot on the forum, but it just seems that if someone doesn't like a particular action in the game, such as divebombing Lancs, it's called "Gaming". :rolleyes:
Dive bombing heavy bombers is the longest standing "gaming" aspect in AH. 4 years that I know of. HTC doesn't want to fix it either. Not even making the drop only possible from the F6 bombsite positions. This aspect of gaming the game has been done to death in the past. I came to the understanding that HTC must have a reason, gawd knows what and I'm only renting space.
I do not refute the ability of Lancasters to be able to dive. They used that tactic to get out of search lights. What I do refute is that they dive bombed like a freakin stuka. Sure some elitist path finders dropped marker flairs as low as 500 feet in Lancaster's but they were the exception rather than AH norm or sadly becoming the AH accepted normal tactic. Great pity really for the Gv guys faced with a suicide monkey in low level diving bombing Lancs with, no care or penalty for consistent bomb and bail / repeated flack deaths.
Is there any known incidents of Lancaster's dive bombing or indeed level bombing of tanks in the field ?
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Originally posted by Castedo
Good to drive an m3 to map room, inside a tiger!
:aok
T34 might work at 10 mph faster. Thats a great idea I can't wait to try this out. Its like formation flying but with GV's!!!!
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Originally posted by Bruv119
T34 might work at 10 mph faster. Thats a great idea I can't wait to try this out. Its like formation flying but with GV's!!!!
2 kills for the price of 1...... good man:D
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I would say gaming the game is when you use this neat little program that I found while surfing the net.Works like a charm,but I go caught dropping too many 1000 lbs bombs from a P-51,so high tech doesn't let me play the game to game it any more.I only used it once and was caught and was banned, which is what should have happened.Almost worth it just to see if it worked,but it wasn't,I really miss the game and maybe someday will see if my privilege can be restored.I want to say to everybody that I'm sorry for what I did to cheapen their gaming experience by my version of "gaming the game" .
Tim
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I was defending a tank town once and saw an F4U drop about 200 bombs in a row. One of the guys said he was going to report him and I hope he did.
Ive been in a few missions which were ruined by someone dive bombing Lancs and then bailing out when he ran out of bombs. 2 mins later he was there again in brand new Lancs.
86SVO I hope you remember this lesson when someone tells you to jump off a bridge to "see if it really works".
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Originally posted by colmbo
B-24s were used for "dive bombing" in the CBI with dives of about 30 degrees. I too am a pilot and have flown B-17s and B-24s. While it's "possible" for them to go straight down it's the last thing I'd want to do in them.
source please.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
source please.
ack-ack
x2
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Originally posted by 86svo
I would say gaming the game is when you use this neat little program that I found while surfing the net.Works like a charm,but I go caught dropping too many 1000 lbs bombs from a P-51,so high tech doesn't let me play the game to game it any more.I only used it once and was caught and was banned, which is what should have happened.Almost worth it just to see if it worked,but it wasn't,I really miss the game and maybe someday will see if my privilege can be restored.I want to say to everybody that I'm sorry for what I did to cheapen their gaming experience by my version of "gaming the game" .
Tim
No, that's good old fashioned "using a hack because you're lame". No marginally lame "gaming the game" issue there. You're lucky I don't work for HTC. Not only would you be banned, but I'd have you spayed and neutered.
Did I mention how much I hate kids lately?
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
source please.
ack-ack
i think it was posted in this thread somewhere around page 1
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Yes..... did they also bail out just past their bomb drop?
I see alot of this lately... very lame.
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Originally posted by WWhiskey
i think it was posted in this thread somewhere around page 1
nope.
ack-ack
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ack ack
Nhawk, from page one, last post, says info is from lancaster flight manual
i cannot confirm or deny at this piont in the campaign lol
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
history to them is what their score was last month.
Excellent!
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http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/4807/436bs.html
try this for starters
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this first paragraph also described dive bombing with a b-24.... who knew huh?
http://www.mekongexpress.com/thailand/photoalbum/photoalb_thai.htm
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my spot worked again last night, right up till i was the last one on base and had to go defend the maproom from about 10 goons, thing is i know i was seen by most of the enemy cons and was shot up pretty badly but survived until i moved, then widewing got me for the second time last night!
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Problem with "gaming the game" is that it is just that, a game. The dweebery that goes on, most of it can be avoided by your own actions, such as the HO or the dive-bombing LANCs. A dive-bombing LANC is going in there knowing, expecting that they will be killed and if not, they'll bail. The first problem was letting the LANC get to the base in the first place. How to stop it? Maybe more detailed radar, such as when an aircraft is picked up, its altitude is listed. I'm sure a lot have been let down seeing a dot on the radar and head to it, only to notice its still 10k above you. But I digress from the argument of the LANC, the bail, the loss of the aircraft is represented on their account. That is their shame.
The detail sliders. This is primarily a coding issue, but generally some pilots do have PC's that need those details lowered. They could argue that those who spend the money for a hot-rod PC can fly in perfect frame rates with high detail and see everything perfectly while they're struggling at low detail and getting choppiness. The other issues are I'm sure noticed and being taken care of, but who knows what changes will cause.
Dweebery exists in ALL games, from Operation Flashpoint to Call of Duty 4 to Company of Heroes to even Forza Motorsport. The best that can be done is to ADAPT. It stinks, I know, to ditch the immersion or the experience to take down a dweeber, but if you can't beat them, then they'll beat you.
In short, do what is necessary and possible to take them down, there are ways to stop them while they're dweebing it up.