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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Yarbles on January 21, 2008, 09:38:35 AM
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Dont like the expression but are the top 2 the La7 and Spit 16.
What comes after those 2. For me its the Yak and then Nikki
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Dweeb meaning?
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Planes that the skweeker horde and ramming HOtards prefer to real mans aircraft- ie., something thats actually a challenge.
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If I leave my gear down in my Lavochkins to make it fair to I qualify as a real man?
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Yak is NOT a dweeb plane.
LA7
LA5Fn
Nik
Spixteen
Hurri IIC (to some extent)
A6M5b
Pony D (again, to some extent)
In no particular order.
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Pretty much anything that horrendously outclasses the opposition counts in my book ie- Spit 9s against 109Es and A6M2s, 109Gs against Spit Is, P-51s against A6M2s and Vals... etc.
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Well what do you usually fly? :rofl
This really is a waste of time post.
Oink
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Originally posted by kozhedub
Dweeb meaning?
In general I would look it up but in this context it means someone who brings very little to the game in terms of skill (but also personality if used broadly) but still achieves results through the use of planes which outshine the opposition in almost every depertment. This can lead to a boring over confidence on their part and a disenchantment with the game on the part of those who have invested time and skill in lesser planes.
In fact this only takes place at the margins where players who similarly overestimate there skills criticise others for flying what are logically the most likely choices to yield succes where skill and desernment are lacking. In other words accomplished players do not fear dweeb planes. Similarly the dweeb effect tends to only occur at low altitudes close to the dweebs base as the advantages of dweeb planes are greatest here.
I may have killed the thread now as no one will recognise a dweeb plane now without implcitly admitting they are overestimating themselves.
We shall see :D
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Originally posted by waystin2
This really is a waste of time post.
Oink
I agree to an extent but maybe we have to have this out now and again. The other big get off for poor skill is he hoed me as though being hoed is unavoidable.
Some pLanes are better than others :rolleyes: but if your a great pilot you score more in the less good ones. There is more to it than that.
Would you rather defend a base at low level in a 51 or a spit 16?
Which would you rather take into an area where you were going to be heavily outnumbered?
What is the hurri 1 p40 etc better at than anything else?
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There aren't any dweeb planes just dweeby cartoon pilots.
I could list you my top ten but I wouldn't want to offend anybody ;)
Bruv
~S~
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Originally posted by Yarbles
In general I would look it up but in this context it means someone who brings very little to the game in terms of skill (but also personality if used broadly) but still achieves results through the use of planes which outshine the opposition in almost every depertment. This can lead to a boring over confidence on their part and a disenchantment with the game on the part of those who have invested time and skill in lesser planes.
In fact this only takes place at the margins where players who similarly overestimate there skills criticise others for flying what are logically the most likely choices to yield succes where skill and desernment are lacking. In other words accomplished players do not fear dweeb planes. Similarly the dweeb effect tends to only occur at low altitudes close to the dweebs base as the advantages of dweeb planes are greatest here.
I may have killed the thread now as no one will recognise a dweeb plane now without implcitly admitting they are overestimating themselves.
We shall see :D
So basically you are here to defend your penchant for the Spitfire XVI.
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Originally posted by kozhedub
So basically you are here to defend your penchant for the Spitfire XVI.
LOL but I also get sick of hearing all the excuses.
(Penchant eh, I thought English was your second language)
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Originally posted by Bruv119
There aren't any dweeb planes just dweeby cartoon pilots.
I could list you my top ten but I wouldn't want to offend anybody ;)
Bruv
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What are Dweeby cartoon pilots like? Let us know and I am sure we will know who you are talking about ;)
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I have a different meaning... perhaps...
To me, a dweeb plane is one that out-everythings everything. An La7 or Spit 8 or 16 can outturn, out climb, and out run almost everything in the game. There are a couple gleaming planes that can out-do these planes in one or two area's (109K) but they always have strengths to fall back on. 4 Hispano birds are annoying, but they arent quite dweeb planes IMO>
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Thanks for filling in some details Yarbles. You know how these posts can head downhill to worthless schoolyard taunting...
Oink
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Originally posted by waystin2
Thanks for filling in some details Yarbles. You know how these posts can head downhill to worthless schoolyard taunting...
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Agreed, I get discouraged by the underdeveloped attitude of the whole dweeb, tard, hoed he ran away brigade on here who jealously guard their own insecurities by labelling others. Oh b.gg.r I ve just done it myself.
We all have equal access to the best planes. I dont like the La 7 except when Iam in a spit when the guy in the La likes me even less. If i am up high in a pony spits dont scare me or La's but if I dive in I hate La's.Iam glad the tempest is perked.
Johnnie Johnson one of the greatest Uk aces of WW2 reckoned the spit was the best close in fighter of the war. I expect he was right ;)
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Originally posted by Treize69
Pretty much anything that horrendously outclasses the opposition counts in my book ie- Spit 9s against 109Es and A6M2s, 109Gs against Spit Is, P-51s against A6M2s and Vals... etc.
I have to disagree with this, as if you've decided to fly a B5N2 into a furball because you don't think the game is challenging enough for you, you will be outclassed by (almost) every plane. By your definition, everyone else would therefore be a dweeb.
Also, for some people 'super planes' like the Spit XVI and La-7 may actually be challenging to fly. I'm not a very good pilot, and my favourite ride is the Spit XVI (partly because I love Spitfires).
If someone is consistently getting HOs in the La-7, for example, then they should learn new tactics - at least that what I would do, if I had half decent gunnery.:o
Finally, if all you experienced pilots are getting so annoyed by these 'dweebs' in their HOing Spit XVIs, surely you should practise your anti-HO tactics, and thus encourage the 'dweebs' to find new ways of getting kills.
Yossarian
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"dweeb plane", in this context, is a term used by people who need to excuse away (from others) and deflect (from themselves) their lack of skill when dieing to the "dweeb" plane.
Let's take "Tilt" for example.
He is truly a die-hard Lavochkin fan. He loves those planes and he flys them exclusively.
For anyone who dies to his guns and then call him a "dweeb" is wrong. He is one of the finest gentlemen to have inhabited this game and for anyone to berate him ... or anyone who does fly the Lavochkins ... is lame to say the least.
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SlapShots a dweeb! :D
Like posted above, its not the plane so much, its how its used. Those that fly La's, spit16's and so on that avoid ACM and basically HO with the big cannons give "the plane" the dweeb name, but its the lack of skill of those pilots that shows who the dweebs are.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
SlapShots a dweeb! :D
True ... but it has nothing to do with the plane(s) I fly ... :D
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The whole "dweeb" thing says more about the name-callers than about the planes. Frankly, if you have trouble with "dweeb planes", you need to look a little closer at how you handle them. Eventually, I think you'll find that it really doesn't matter a bit what the other guy is flying.
In most players hands, the "dweebiest" planes are destined to be blown to pieces anyway. If skillfully flown, I'd not call them "dweeb" planes. SADS1 for example, flies mostly LA-7's from what I see. But he does it very well, and when someone displays skill it really isn't accurate to call it "dweeby". Leviathon flew mostly spits. He wasn't a dweeb either.
This game is radically better for the variety it offers. Imagine if we simply tossed the "dweeb" rides off the list, and kept the "studdly" rides. We'd still have some that were dweebier than the rest, so we'd have to do it again, and again. Eventually, all we'd have would be the "studdly" ride. (F4U, of course...) Imagine how boring this game would be then!
Honestly, the variety of planes and situations is what keeps us coming back. How long would you play if all fights started out equal plane, fuel, alt, E-state, yada, yada, yada...? While we're at it, lets make all bases at the same alt. Or just have one base for each team, equal alt, arranged in a triangle. Personally, I LIKE having advantage for this fight, but feeling very disadvantaged on the next. And the next... I like fighting planes with a large variety of strengths and weaknesses. I like needing to "outsmart" my opponent to beat him at his own game. I WANT him to pick the plane he likes best! He'll probably make the fight more interesting that way!
If you reallty need a list of "dweeb" planes, open the hanger next time you play, and look at the list. Most of the world would consider each and every one of us "dweebs" for spending as much time at this game as we do. Each and every plane on that list would make us equally "dweeby" in their eyes. 'Course, I think most of thier hobbies are "dweeby" too... Anybody wanna go sit in bar, or head to the mall, or watch a bunch of men wearing tight pants run around grabbing at each other, and talk about the other teams "tight end". Playing football I can see... but watching somebody else????? What's up with that?
MtnMan
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Well put :aok
The most popular sport in the Uk is watching football. That is neither nerdy or dweebish.
I d rather play AH and take my chances and hone my own skills.
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"dweeb" doesn't mean anything to me especially when it comes from someone who just died. I think some use it in a positive context.. like for some one who is good in a certain plane and always fly's same plane.
Like "u are a P38 dweeb"
dweeb is a generalization at best. Its just not an accurate description of what takes place in the Skies of the MA....Its hard to take any serious meaning from it.
I'll give some examples.
P38 crashes into the water A6m5 gets proxy... " skilless "A6m Dweeb"
A6m kill same pilot 6 times 7 time a6m kills same pilot in a A6m....
Next u read on 200 "a6m dweeb"
I don't normally get along with some one who talks in the 3rd person or generalizes it just tells me way to much about that person.
I know the question was about "Dweeb planes" but that's a big over generalization.
To use a word like "dweeb" to describe an inadament object in not congruent. Really an impossible false argument. It is a statement that is designed to... "not be arguable in a cognitive sense".
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There are no "dweeb" planes...only dweeb pilots.
You control what you roll off the runway in...no one tells you what to fly. If you fly a "lesser" {there is really no such thing} plane then except the fact that your accepting a greater responsibility in "managing your asset". Dont blame the other guy for your lack of skill or judgement. If you get shot down in your original ride then go on back in his "dweeb" ride and shoot him down with it....if you can.
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It is an idiotic term used to denigrate somebody who just won a fight. It is intended to reduce their sense of victory and the losers sense of defeat. Any aircraft can, at a moment's whim, be designated a "dweeb" aircraft, but some are more likely, even assured, to garner community support for the loser.
Just look in this thread at some of the aircraft listed.
A6M5b? Sure, that one is absolutely overpowering....oh wait.
Spitfire Mk VIII because it is faster than almost everything else, you know, 338mph on the deck and 404mph at best alt is very much faster than...oops, guess not.
My point is, people will put what they want are their "dweeb" list. SpikesX doesn't like aircraft that are good at turning, hence they are "dweeb" planes to him. Motherland doesn't like Lachovkins or Spitfires, to the degree that he'll empower them with abilities they don't have to justify his bias.
Certainly there are aircraft that are better than others, only the most fanatical P-40 fan will argue that the P-40E is as good as the P-51D, Spitfire Mk XVI, La-7 or N1K2-J, but trying to shame people out of their choice of kite is bull*****. Just as there are people in the game who love the P-40, F4U, P-38 or Bf109 so are there people who love the Spitfire or Lachovkins or A6Ms. To many people geting out of their Spit, La or whatever means being forced into something they have no fondness for just to be "PC" to the community's standards.
If you find me and I am in a Spit VIII or Ki-84, deal with it. I don't care if you think I am not a "real" man. The only person who's opinion on that I care about is my wife's.
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Originally posted by humble
There are no "dweeb" planes...only dweeb pilots.
You control what you roll off the runway in...no one tells you what to fly. If you fly a "lesser" {there is really no such thing} plane then except the fact that your accepting a greater responsibility in "managing your asset". Dont blame the other guy for your lack of skill or judgement. If you get shot down in your original ride then go on back in his "dweeb" ride and shoot him down with it....if you can.
You speak the truth sir :)
As long as you are having fun, who cares. Fly what you want.:aok
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Originally posted by Yarbles
Dont like the expression but are the top 2 the La7 and Spit 16.
What comes after those 2. For me its the Yak and then Nikki
i kinda think any version of spit, hurri2c, zeke, or la. but before you all start flaming me......i fly all of the ones listed except for the la.......i can't fly that heap o trash to save my life.......:D
:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Yarbles
Dont like the expression but are the top 2 the La7 and Spit 16.
What comes after those 2. For me its the Yak and then Nikki
Yak I believe by no means is a dweeb plane.
In my book a dweeb plane is a plane that can outshine it's opponent in almost every to every catagory (top speed, dive speed, guns, turning, climb rate, etc...)
No plane is a "dweeb plane" even a spitfire. It's the pilots that make them dweebish.
Most spitfires and lala's and even n1k's I consider "dweeb planes" simply because 99.98% of the pilots are kids that jump in it for an easy kill, that take no time to learn a plane that takes some skill to fight (i.e. p47, p38, 190, most 109 models). In the MA when I see a 109 I'm more cautious attacking then I am against a spit, cause I know, odds are, the spit has little skill.
Take last night for advantage, defending a V base, a seafire comes in, me in my 109G, I come up right behind him co alt, seeing how long it'll take for him to notice me, decide to put a few tracers by his cockpit, nothing, put a few rounds into his wing, he pulls up, I put a notch of flaps out pulling up to get a shot on him, shoot him down, then over 200 I offer to take him to TA to work with him on his SA, I get called quite a few colorful names, one of them being "An uber dweeb that wouldn't last a second in a real plane" (rotflol) so thank god for /.squelch
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If I grew up in Russia, I'd want to fly the LA-7.
If I grew up in England, I'd want to fly the Spit 16 or Tempest
If I grew up in Japan, I'd want to fly the Niki
Growing up in the U.S., I dreamed about flying P-51's, P-47's and P-38's. Since, I don't enjoy flying bombers that much, I quit flying the P-38. I don't appologize for flying the Pony to its strengths, and you can call me a dweeb all you want, but I'm definitely not giving up the Jug...:D
You guys fly what you want. I respect a good stick in the LA-7 or Spit 16 as much as I respect a good stick in any aircraft.
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Originally posted by Stoney74
I respect a good stick in the LA-7 or Spit 16 as much as I respect a good stick in any aircraft.
So do I, BUT I don't respect the people that jump in it for the easy kill.
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I believe it is the behavior of the pilot that creates the dweebery. As stated above there are legitimate good sticks in spits and in LaLas but there are the ones whoom take them with the sole intent of flying them "dweeby" if that makes any sense. I mean I prefer a "drag n' bag" style of play utalizing a wingman and "B n' Z". So to some I am consitered a "picker" or "alt monkey" or some other sort of rubbish. I think the topic of dweedery is relative to the beholder.
:)
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Most of the folks that fly the LA-7 or Spit 16 "dweeby" do so merely because they don't know any better. And both of those planes allow you to make mistakes in spades and still come out smelling like roses. So, for the less skilled, they're the perfect aircraft to compensate for poor skills.
Some of us get devoted to this game to the point of having some sort of treatable psychiatric condition. We strive to learn a certain aircraft for some sort of nostalgic reason. Others don't have or make the time to learn as others do. They play casually, and these two planes are perfect for their style of play. Doesn't make 'em "dweeb" rides or "dweeb" pilots.
Just makes 'em "different" than us purist type players.
It took me a long time to get over that, but eventually I did. So will you if you play long enough.
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It was the chicken before the egg.
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I wonder exactly how many threads of this sort have spawned over the years? Seens to me there are quite a few of them. But such is life.
On a positive note, since my return to AHII I have only been actively HO'ed like 2 times. There are your accidental collisions that just happen in a close in fight, but I can say that intentional HO'ing seems to be down. Also the Quality of fights seems to be rather healthy looking too, unless that is just because of my perception when flying with my usual wingmen. :aok
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Spit16 / LA's / 109's / NIK
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What comes after those 2. For me its the Yak and then Nikki
you must be jokeing a yak as a dweeb plane it is not a dweeb plane it require a lot of experence and amo conservation that most new pilots dont have
the dweebe plane and hoe wagon i know about are in this order la-7/any spits with duel 20 and duel 50/p-51 sometimes because you can run into an acual good pilot
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It also occurs to me that most people are from the USA and USA planes are among the hardest to fly well and get kills in :D
Its a testament to HTC that they havent bent the rules in their favour to keep the customers happy;)
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I'm amazed at what folks think are "dweeb" rides...
The 109K and hurricane would be my two choices by a wide margin...
As for best planes the 1a hog owns both the spit 16 and the La-7 IMO.
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Originally posted by splitatom
you must be jokeing a yak as a dweeb plane it is not a dweeb plane it require a lot of experence and amo conservation that most new pilots dont have
the dweebe plane and hoe wagon i know about are in this order la-7/any spits with duel 20 and duel 50/p-51 sometimes because you can run into an acual good pilot
When I read the above ... it looks like this ...
youmustbejokeingayakasadweebp laneitisnotadweebplaneitrequi realotofexperenceandamoconser vationthatmostnewpilotsdontha vethedweebeplaneandhoewagonik nowaboutareinthisorderla-7/anyspitswithduel20andduel50/p-51sometimesbecauseyoucanrunintoanacualgoodpilot
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by SlapShot
When I read the above ... it looks like this ...
youmustbejokeingayakasadweebp laneitisnotadweebplaneitrequi realotofexperenceandamoconser vationthatmostnewpilotsdontha vethedweebeplaneandhoewagonik nowaboutareinthisorderla-7/anyspitswithduel20andduel50/p-51sometimesbecauseyoucanrunintoanacualgoodpilot
:rolleyes:
I wonder if he'll ever get it. :D
canyoureadthissplitaomifyouca nitsjustaslapontheback
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Originally posted by Stoney74
If I grew up in Russia, I'd want to fly the LA-7.
If I grew up in England, I'd want to fly the Spit 16 or Tempest
If I grew up in Japan, I'd want to fly the Niki
Growing up in the U.S., I dreamed about flying P-51's, P-47's and P-38's. Since, I don't enjoy flying bombers that much, I quit flying the P-38. I don't appologize for flying the Pony to its strengths, and you can call me a dweeb all you want, but I'm definitely not giving up the Jug...:D
You guys fly what you want. I respect a good stick in the LA-7 or Spit 16 as much as I respect a good stick in any aircraft.
i grew up in the US....but i tend to fly british planes, or the japanese ones...mostly because these keep me alive long enough to learn how to fight and maneuver......hopefully letting me get into a p38 soon.....even for bombers, i fly german or british.......they seem to me to be the best in here......for me for now
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CAP1,
Yup, staying alive long enough to learn is key at the start.
Try the F4U too, once you figure out when to use the flaps it is a very, very sweet fighter that will give you that time to learn as well.
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Originally posted by Karnak
CAP1,
Yup, staying alive long enough to learn is key at the start.
Try the F4U too, once you figure out when to use the flaps it is a very, very sweet fighter that will give you that time to learn as well.
i may actually try the f4u again next tour..i tried it for a few flights in november......and i only got shot down once.....the rest of the flights, i augered in for the other guy:D
it seems to me it's a bit more touchy in some of the slower turns.......
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If there are no "dweeb" planes...please unperk the 262, 163, and add the B-29 with a nuke and let's see how fun the MAs become.
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Dweeb planes = any aircraft when I fly it.
:rofl
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Well i have been playing AH for 3 months now subscribed and all, but since i've started the only plane i used was the p-40E. Now i still fly the p-40E and i land kills on p-51's, spits, la-7's and all sorts that have many advantages against me. The reason im saying this is that if you pick a plane that has many disadvantages in the beginging you learn to control harder planes and adapt, but when you grab a pony or spit you go to a plane with more advantages which teachs you nothing in my opinion. I feel that there are no dweeb planes only dweeb pilots. My example of this is a pilot who flys a plane that is too good for him, A pilot who butts into your 1on1's when you and another enemy are having a duel or something and he comes flying in even though you dont need help and shoots the enemy down or shoots him a bit then flys off and when you shoot the enemy down fully you only get assist , that pisses me off the most of all. so really if your new to AH grab a zero or a p-40 or a 47 and train to its learning curve so when you do fight a better plane than yours you'll have jst as much of a advantage as he does. Today i played for 1 hour and landed 7 kills in a p-40E on MA late war server. Also don't pick a plane that you like in real life, for i love the p-47 thunderbolt but in the game i feel it just isnt as good as it should be so my name on the game is P47love, but i use the p-40 I still love the p-47 in real life, but ingame i love the p-40.
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The only dweebs are aces high are us pilots.
Com'on fellas, we all pay good $ to go broom broom and ratta tat tat.
How macho can we be?
*re-adjusts his glasses..err..flight goggles.*
:aok
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Originally posted by p40love
Well i have been playing AH for 3 months now subscribed and all, but since i've started the only plane i used was the p-40E. Now i still fly the p-40E and i land kills on p-51's, spits, la-7's and all sorts that have many advantages against me. The reason im saying this is that if you pick a plane that has many disadvantages in the beginging you learn to control harder planes and adapt, but when you grab a pony or spit you go to a plane with more advantages which teachs you nothing in my opinion. I feel that there are no dweeb planes only dweeb pilots. My example of this is a pilot who flys a plane that is too good for him, A pilot who butts into your 1on1's when you and another enemy are having a duel or something and he comes flying in even though you dont need help and shoots the enemy down or shoots him a bit then flys off and when you shoot the enemy down fully you only get assist , that pisses me off the most of all. so really if your new to AH grab a zero or a p-40 or a 47 and train to its learning curve so when you do fight a better plane than yours you'll have jst as much of a advantage as he does. Today i played for 1 hour and landed 7 kills in a p-40E on MA late war server. Also don't pick a plane that you like in real life, for i love the p-47 thunderbolt but in the game i feel it just isnt as good as it should be so my name on the game is P47love, but i use the p-40 I still love the p-47 in real life, but ingame i love the p-40.
:huh :huh
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Yeah Mr. "P-47love" I should have reported you the other night for harassing me with continued "join squad" messages even tho I told you to quit it. Your about as obnoxious a little dweeb punk as Ive found on this game.
Funny thing I was actually dive bombing a P-47 with a bunch of cons around when this little squeeker kept filling my screen with join requests even tho I told him to cut it out. Eventually I had to break off just so I could squelch the kid.
And hes here talking about Dweebs.:lol
Originally posted by p40love
Well i have been playing AH for 3 months now subscribed and all, but since i've started the only plane i used was the p-40E. Now i still fly the p-40E and i land kills on p-51's, spits, la-7's and all sorts that have many advantages against me. The reason im saying this is that if you pick a plane that has many disadvantages in the beginging you learn to control harder planes and adapt, but when you grab a pony or spit you go to a plane with more advantages which teachs you nothing in my opinion. I feel that there are no dweeb planes only dweeb pilots. My example of this is a pilot who flys a plane that is too good for him, A pilot who butts into your 1on1's when you and another enemy are having a duel or something and he comes flying in even though you dont need help and shoots the enemy down or shoots him a bit then flys off and when you shoot the enemy down fully you only get assist , that pisses me off the most of all. so really if your new to AH grab a zero or a p-40 or a 47 and train to its learning curve so when you do fight a better plane than yours you'll have jst as much of a advantage as he does. Today i played for 1 hour and landed 7 kills in a p-40E on MA late war server. Also don't pick a plane that you like in real life, for i love the p-47 thunderbolt but in the game i feel it just isnt as good as it should be so my name on the game is P47love, but i use the p-40 I still love the p-47 in real life, but ingame i love the p-40.
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The first four years I flew online it was mostly in A6m's. Not cause I thought they were cool, or looked good. Actually if I could have I'd probably prefered a P38.
Now that I thought looked cool, but I couldn't fly my way out of a wet paper bag in one.
Now years later I have moved on from the poor A6m, fun plane but you just can't get out of a fight. Its stay until they are all dead more often than not.
Nowdays I fly a wide variety of planes. Yaks, La5fns, C.205, p51, 190a8, Spitfires, (seafire and spit 8 prefered). I'm looking forward to the p39, because I think its going to be a fun ride for those who can master it.
Mtnman pretty much nailed it on the head. Any plane can be a dweeb plane if flown in that manner. If I hit a slump the first thing I'll do is up a nik and find a furball. If you point your nose at me yes I'll probably shoot at you on the way by.
I'll take all the dweeb remarks and laugh all the way back to my field while I land my kills. You know why? Because the ultimate intention of Aces High is to have fun. The vast majority of my kills in the nik come from high deflection shots that the other guy doesn't think I can make. And when I do make it and he goes spiralling down life is good. If he makes it and I go down I reup and try again.
Its as simple as that, don't give up, don't share your frustration and anger.
We all have plenty of both to go around, we don't need yours.
Do share your respect (if you have any) as no one ever gets enough of that.
If you killed him, ease his pain just a smidge with a and go on flying.
If you died, don't return a with a pm or a bunch of smack talk.
If your seeing nothing but dweeb planes, then I suggest you need to start educating dweebs. And please do it with courtesy and respect. After all if we drive away all the new dweebs who are we going to shoot at? Not to mention eventually HTC would close its doors and we'd be out in the cold.
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There's no dweeb planes, only dweeb pilot's.
With time, you shall learn this. :)
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Originally posted by SpikesX
Yak is NOT a dweeb plane.
LA7
LA5Fn
Nik
Spixteen
Hurri IIC (to some extent)
A6M5b
Pony D (again, to some extent)
In no particular order.
Don't forget to put the Tempest and "C hog " at the TOP of the list.
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Originally posted by kozhedub
If I leave my gear down in my Lavochkins to make it fair to I qualify as a real man?
hey u got the name of the #1 Allied ace of WWII. lol :D
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Originally posted by Stoney74
Most of the folks that fly the LA-7 or Spit 16 "dweeby" do so merely because they don't know any better. And both of those planes allow you to make mistakes in spades and still come out smelling like roses. So, for the less skilled, they're the perfect aircraft to compensate for poor skills.
Some of us get devoted to this game to the point of having some sort of treatable psychiatric condition. We strive to learn a certain aircraft for some sort of nostalgic reason. Others don't have or make the time to learn as others do. They play casually, and these two planes are perfect for their style of play. Doesn't make 'em "dweeb" rides or "dweeb" pilots.
Just makes 'em "different" than us purist type players.
It took me a long time to get over that, but eventually I did. So will you if you play long enough.
Well on my opinion, after the "dweeb planes" and you get more skill, move up to the 109 or 190 (i cant fight with those german planes though lol). I really like the f-4u-1, not the 1a or the 1d or even the 1c just the f4u-1. Its a great plane at higher alts, has lots of ammo/stopping power, and i can slightly see my 6 (unlike the 1a, c, d, or u). Im trying to get good at the jug but i still havent mastered that plane yet. of course if anyone wants to give me some jug tips, go ahead or even TA 1 day. Thats what i want to be my next plane. But still love the f4u-1. :aok
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move up to the 109 or 190
A move up? A Bf 109 would seem like a lateral move to me at best. What if someone likes their N1K? Or Spitfire? Or P 51D? Or Hurri IIC? etc etc.
I have the thought that you are better served by flying a single plane type and learning it thoroughly, make it a plane you like obviously. I'm not keen on the idea that everyone needs to eventually fly the Ju 87 at 200m from sea level to become the l33t mastahs.
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I grew up thinking the Spitfire was the coolest plane ever built. I read about them. I built models of them. I watched shows about them. I just loved the Spitfire.
So, when I started in AW back in '96, I first jumped into a Spitfire. I flew all the other planes along the way but always ended up back in the Spit. Then AH came along, and there was actually more than one Spit. The IX was the top of the line performance-wise and that became my regular ride. Then they re-did the Spit line-up and the IX took a big performance hit, but the XVI picked up almost exactly where the IX had been, so the XVI became my regular ride.
Now understand, I never knew people thought any planes were dweebie until I started frequenting these boards, so, I'd always fly the Spit XVI.
Then, they introduced ENY. This forced me to jump into "lesser" Spits. I learned I really loved the Seafire as a back-up to the XVI.
Continued BBs visitations somehow clouded my judgement, and love for the Spitfire by making me think I was some sort of dweeb (well, I am but not for liking Spits), so I endeavored to learn the entire plane-set. I found I liked a lot of different planes for a lot of different reasons and this, over time, tempered my use of the Spit, although I still came back to them often. I even found a couple new favorites that I use a LOT (F6F-5 and FW190A-8 in particular) and I love the challenge of the EW planes in the LW arenas.
But... when it's all on the line... do or die not knowing what I'll run into, I still grab my XVI and head into the unfriendly skies and this is often the biggest challenge. I have SO much more confidence in myself in the XVI I often find myself in situations I would never put myself in in any other plane. Me on 10? No problem. Give me a XVI and some E and I'm there.
So, I have to ask then, is the guy alone fighting 5 guys the dweeb, or are the 5 guys ganging who can' kill him the dweebs?
I say better dweeb than dead.
[EDIT] BTW, I scored 19 kills and 2 deaths in the XVI over the weekend, mostly flying in vastly outnumbered situations. One death was to a set of B-17's, the other to the field ack over what had been one of our fields that got taken. I still scored two kills flying totally within the enemy field ack before it got me.
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BaldEagl,
The only change to the Spit IX when the Spit lineup was redone was to remove the ahistorical .50 cal options, the 250lb bombs on wings option and the rocket options. There were no other changes. The Mk VIII and Mk XVI are much more powerful than the Mk IX was and is, so it feels poor io comparison.
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Originally posted by Gabriel
A move up? A Bf 109 would seem like a lateral move to me at best. What if someone likes their N1K? Or Spitfire? Or P 51D? Or Hurri IIC? etc etc.
I have the thought that you are better served by flying a single plane type and learning it thoroughly, make it a plane you like obviously. I'm not keen on the idea that everyone needs to eventually fly the Ju 87 at 200m from sea level to become the l33t mastahs.
Well after you learn it thoroughly, go to a plane thats alot different. Ex. you perfect the hurri 2c, now get good at the p-47d-40, completely different and you pretty much get to start over.:aok Which is really really fun, because its like the game is new to you again. Thats what im doing now, and sometimes under different circumstances, i will fly a spit or a hurri.
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Originally posted by Karnak
BaldEagl,
The only change to the Spit IX when the Spit lineup was redone was to remove the ahistorical .50 cal options, the 250lb bombs on wings option and the rocket options. There were no other changes. The Mk VIII and Mk XVI are much more powerful than the Mk IX was and is, so it feels poor io comparison.
It might have just been my perception when they changed the line-up. When it happened, I was upset that the IX lost the .50's and that's when I moved to the XVI.
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Originally posted by angelsandair
Well after you learn it thoroughly, go to a plane thats alot different. Ex. you perfect the hurri 2c, now get good at the p-47d-40, completely different and you pretty much get to start over.:aok Which is really really fun, because its like the game is new to you again. Thats what im doing now, and sometimes under different circumstances, i will fly a spit or a hurri.
You may have missed the bit about just liking certain aircraft and flying them (nearly or completely) exclusively. :aok
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Actually if you put the same stick in the spit and the LA-7 I'll bet the Spit would win. The LA-7 has some serious deficiencies that can be exploited. If you can slow the thing down and get it in a turn fight any 1/2 decent turn fighter will beat it. It doesnt really love speed as much as the P-51 and you have to be careful managing your E when diving in it or your going to end up a lawn dart. The LaLas stick feels like a lead balloon at high speeds when diving.
Its a very good climber but again if your climbing against a good turner he can roll out of the climb faster then you can react. Yes the LA-7 is fast but if someone dives on you in a lesser airplane he can get up on you before you flat speed bleeds off his "E". The LA-7 also has a nasty stall.
Gunwise the LA-7 sucks. Snapshots are very difficult because with angle shooting your always losing sight of your enemy. And its not a very stable gun platform. Nor does it have much range. Nor does it carry meaningful ords.
This just isn't an airplane that deserves to be perked. Actually the one airplane it seems to stackup well against is the 190.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
This just isn't an airplane that deserves to be perked. Actually the one airplane it seems to stackup well against is the 190.
Maybe but its very nasty to P51'S if they get low and how do you get out of that one. The only answer I have been able to come up with is "dont get low".
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
...and you have to be careful managing your E when diving in it or your going to end up a lawn dart.
There are many planes like this, particularily the Russian and Japanese planes as well as the 109's and P-38 series. Use manual elevator trim (up) to overcome the compression effect. You can gain as much as 100 mph in a dive. Don't forget to re-trim once you're level or climbing again (I usually flip on auto pilot (level or auto climb) or hit combat trim momentarily to re-set trim).
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Actually if you put the same stick in the spit and the LA-7 I'll bet the Spit would win. The LA-7 has some serious deficiencies that can be exploited. If you can slow the thing down and get it in a turn fight any 1/2 decent turn fighter will beat it. It doesnt really love speed as much as the P-51 and you have to be careful managing your E when diving in it or your going to end up a lawn dart. The LaLas stick feels like a lead balloon at high speeds when diving.
Its a very good climber but again if your climbing against a good turner he can roll out of the climb faster then you can react. Yes the LA-7 is fast but if someone dives on you in a lesser airplane he can get up on you before you flat speed bleeds off his "E". The LA-7 also has a nasty stall.
Gunwise the LA-7 sucks. Snapshots are very difficult because with angle shooting your always losing sight of your enemy. And its not a very stable gun platform. Nor does it have much range. Nor does it carry meaningful ords.
This just isn't an airplane that deserves to be perked. Actually the one airplane it seems to stackup well against is the 190.
Given equal pilots the la-7 should beat the spitty pretty easily...
At stall speed the la-7 is about a dead heat turn wise with the spits...acceleration is almost even and the lala has significant edge in speed and climb...
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La-7 should beat all Spits pretty handily.
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Originally posted by Urchin
La-7 should beat all Spits pretty handily.
It does.
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Originally posted by Urchin
La-7 should beat all Spits pretty handily.
Erm, one possible exception. I'd think the Mk XIV should be more than a match at its designed alt.
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A dweeb plane is defined as any aircraft flown by a dweeb.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
"dweeb plane", in this context, is a term used by people who need to excuse away (from others) and deflect (from themselves) their lack of skill when dieing to the "dweeb" plane.
Yeah, it's a lot easier for a player to blame being shot down by a dweeb than having to admit they died as a result of their own inept flying. Players like that will never progress beyond the mediocrity level as they will never learn from their mistakes.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Gabriel
You may have missed the bit about just liking certain aircraft and flying them (nearly or completely) exclusively. :aok
Trust me you will want to try other stuff at some point, i did only 2cs and nikkies in december and january, now im doing f4u-1....
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Originally posted by Bronk
Erm, one possible exception. I'd think the Mk XIV should be more than a match at its designed alt.
In AH1 I once took about 5 minutes to drag an La-7 up to 25,000ft while flying the Mk XIV. Had to throttle back to keep him interested and hopeful in bagging a perk plane (cost 50 perks then). Once at 25,000ft I went to WEP and turn on him. It became very obvious within 10 seconds that the La-7 was in no way a match for the Mk XIV at that altitude, I got around on him within two turns. He immediately put the nose down and headed for the thick air. I managed to hit him with a single 20mm or .303 at about 800 yards.
Which is one reason high alt planes do badly in AH. It takes a lot of work to drag somebody up to your combat altitude, or to escape to it, and only seconds for a low altituded tuned fighter like an La-7 or Spitfire Mk XVI to escape to their playground.
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I admit it, I'm a dweeb. I fly pretty much any plane that takes my fancy, but am generally found in either:
Spit V
Spit VIII
Spit IX
Niki
Lala 5/7(which, perversely, I fly like a spit - go figure)
Fly what you like, when you like - the aim of the game is to have fun - dont worry what other people fly, thats the beauty of this game, beat em in their rides (if you can (which lets me out..lol - I admit to being an easy kill as well))
Just my o.o2p worth, ymmv,
Wurzel
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Originally posted by Urchin
La-7 should beat all Spits pretty handily.
I dont find the LA-7 a premier turner. Then again maybe Im just such a newbie in fighters. Or, for lack of a better term, a newbie Dweeb. Or, even worse, a newbie LA-7 Dweeb.
I do know I try and keep the Dweebmobiles fast. And should a energy fighter like a 190 or Pony come low, and make a mistake staying low, I try and run them down. The LA-7 does stack up pretty well turning against these kinds of planes. I know the zeros can make you look silly. Unless they make a mistake and go vertical.
Disclaimer is I dont really know what Im doing. Ive only flown fighters for a few weeks. But Im having fun screwing up and that's all that matters.
Its really fascinating the Dweebmobiles are modeled as they are. They kinda feel "rough" just like the actual Russian planes did.
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Originally posted by Yarbles
Dont like the expression but are the top 2 the La7 and Spit 16.
What comes after those 2. For me its the Yak and then Nikki
I dont mind an La7, a Niki or a Spixteen.
I mind 8 or more of them at the same time, all of which would naturally be piloted by individuals more than willing to expend every last round in their magazine to get just one ping.
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P-38 is a dweeb plane; it's just that good.
donkey
EDIT: No joke.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Then again maybe Im just such a newbie in fighters. Or, for lack of a better term, a newbie Dweeb. Or, even worse, a newbie LA-7 Dweeb.
At least your not a newbie LA-7 dweeb hoing ganging SQUEEKER :lol
Can anyone do better than that?
(Note Squeeker is in capitals to attempt to model the shrill annoying screaming squeeker sound they make when they vulch their first Ju87 or similar)