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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: DaddyAck on January 22, 2008, 12:56:31 AM
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Regia Aeronautica planes please CR.42 G.50 G.55 MC.200 Re.2005 CR.25 SM.79 SM.81. While I am gald that the Regia Aeronautica is represented in the MC.202 and MC.205, I believe there could be more done to flesh out the Italian plane set. Imagine an FSO set in Afrika.
Ok scrutinize away.
:noid
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(http://www.air-and-space.com/19990424%20Chino/12%2025%20CASA%202111%20He-111%20N72615%20right%20side%20in%20flight%20l.jpg)
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I'd love to see the SIAI Marchetti S.M.79 Sparviero:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/917_1201016888_s.m.79sparviero1.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/917_1201016917_s.m.79sparviero2.jpg)
And the Piaggio P.108 B:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/917_1201016812_piaggiop.108b1.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/917_1201016844_piaggiop.108b2.jpg)
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Yep, we sure could use alot more hangar queens.
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Another Italian fighter and a S.M. Sparviero are the top on my list.
It would fulfill two wishes in one: more Italian aircraft AND an axis transport.
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Originally posted by Rino
Yep, we sure could use alot more hangar queens.
Now what is wrong with the above panes to induce the title hangar queen? What particularly is wrong with the Serie 5 aircraft that were desighned around the license built DB.605 (Re.2005 & G.55)? There are those that would fly the birds listed above in my original post. I know I would.
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CR.42: Yes
G.50: Yes
G.55: No (extremely low production, minor combat service and we already have that covered by the C.205)
MC.200: Yes
Re.2005: No (extremely low production, minor combat service and we already have that covered by the C.205)
CR.25: No (Need the Ju-52, other than that we don't need transports really as the C-47 covers USA, UK, USSR and Japan and Ju-52 would cover Germany and Italy)
SM.79: Yes
SM.81 No (Slot would be covered by the SM.79-II)
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i love the 202 and 205, some of my fav. planes to fly, would love to see more italian planes... i'd love to see more planes in general tho, not that i already have a hard enough time choosing :p
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Originally posted by Karnak
CR.25: No (Need the Ju-52, other than that we don't need transports really as the C-47 covers USA, UK, USSR and Japan and Ju-52 would cover Germany and Italy)
SM.79: Yes
Wasn't the Sm. 79 also a troop carrier? So we could kill 2 birds with one stone. :aok
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
Now what is wrong with the above panes to induce the title hangar queen? What particularly is wrong with the Serie 5 aircraft that were desighned around the license built DB.605 (Re.2005 & G.55)? There are those that would fly the birds listed above in my original post. I know I would.
Yeah, we sure do need those two aircraft because you like em. So you are
basically looking for a mid-war german aircraft in Italian clothing. As for the
others, medium bombers with peashooters sure see alot of action in the
arenas.
So we're looking at a scenario where the Regia Aeronautica fought 12th or
15th AFs in miniscule numbers instead?
It's your dime, wish for whatever you want...but I hardly think these birds
deserve a high priority in any case.
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Originally posted by Rino
Yeah, we sure do need those two aircraft because you like em. So you are
basically looking for a mid-war german aircraft in Italian clothing. As for the
others, medium bombers with peashooters sure see alot of action in the
arenas.
So we're looking at a scenario where the Regia Aeronautica fought 12th or
15th AFs in miniscule numbers instead?
It's your dime, wish for whatever you want...but I hardly think these birds
deserve a high priority in any case.
...... honestly, the only hangar queens for me are all fighters, and i dont bomb that much, everyone calls the b25c a queen, i use it. same with the ju-88, stuka, ki-67, b5n...... (need i go on?) and i know there are more than me that agree
also, a couple tours back, the Pigs on the Wing could tell you that i flew the ju-88 religiously... the peashooters did their job well, took down 2 temps, more than 7 spits, and a couple others ^_^
all i have to say after that is check, your move. :p
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The Italian birds have a bad rap because they are not "uber" enough for the "Main Arenas". How have we come to expect only the hottest aircraft, toting the most cannon of the largest caliber to be added in this game? Thsi is a WWII era sim, not just a spitfire and LA7 sim. The Italian rides are nimble machines of war, I greatly enjoyed the MC.200, CR.42, and G.50 in the IL2 serries of games for the fun they offer in dogfights as opposed to the "hotrods". The lack of cannon should not be grounds to deem any plane a "hangar queen" when with .30 or .50 caliber is plenty enough to down an aircraft. It just requires accuracy and patience. These planes as I said are a treat to fly, and are sorely needed to fill in the Italian plane set.
:noid
I await the next anti-Italian post
:lol
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*hugs daddyack*
thankies for yoiu support!
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we got to stick together to defend our so called "hangar Queens". :D
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I'd have much fun flying a S.M. 79 over a C-47 anyday.
The Axis side can really be where the fun's at a lot of the time.
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Daddyack, thanks for bringing this up.
As for the planes HTC could add, I mostly agree with Karnak with some clarification (in bold):
CR.42: Yes
G.50: Yes
G.55: Yes (as I've already said in older threads, the importance of a plane should be measured by the contribution it gave to the war effort of a Nation. In this perspective, the G.55 was not produced in low number for Italy and had a primary role - 150 circa in service, mostly in ANR, for which it was one of the main fighters alongside with the C.205)
MC.200: Yes
Re.2005: No (extremely low production, minor combat service)
CR.25: No (Need the Ju-52, other than that we don't need transports really as the C-47 covers USA, UK, USSR and Japan and Ju-52 would cover Germany and Italy) I think the Ju-52 wouldn't be representative for Italy, just as the CR.25. A good alternative could be the SM.82, that was soon demoted from torpedo bomber to transport
SM.79: Yes
SM.81 No (Slot would be covered by the SM.79-II) Agree, but I guess, Karnak, that here you meant the SM.84, since the SM.81 is older than the 79 (yep, numbers are confusing :) )
And, Denholm, the P.108 was cool, but, just as the Re.2005, it was produced in too few numbers to be brought in the game (24, IIRC, that saw limited action against Gibraltar).
The other Italian plane that can be brought in game is the CANT Z.1007 Alcione, which, alongside the S.79, formed the backbone of the Italian bomber wings from 1940 to 1943.
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
...And, Denholm, the P.108 was cool, but, just as the Re.2005, it was produced in too few numbers to be brought in the game (24, IIRC, that saw limited action against Gibraltar)...
I peeked into an aviation book I have, noticed the Italians actually had a heavy 4-engined bomber and thought, "Hmm... perhaps now the axis forces can have a nice hangar queen."
Let's be serious guys, the allies can't have all the fun.:D
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Gianlupo,
No problem bud, I notice a definate need for the RA planes. They served their country well, and are fine fighting machines. Not to mention but they are astetically pleasing (yes I like their characteristic "hump").
DaddyAck
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
Gianlupo,
No problem bud, I notice a definate need for the RA planes. They served their country well, and are fine fighting machines. Not to mention but they are astetically pleasing (yes I like their characteristic "hump").
DaddyAck
You have good taste, sir! ;)
Denholm, you're right, but I'm afraid that the Axis country didn't field any worth number of quad-engined bomber, not even for Italy's low quantities... :p
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By "characteristic hump", he wasn't talking about your avatar Lupo. At least I don't think he was....
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
...Denholm, you're right, but I'm afraid that the Axis country didn't field any worth number of quad-engined bomber, not even for Italy's low quantities... :p
:(
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Originally posted by Treize69
By "characteristic hump", he wasn't talking about your avatar Lupo. At least I don't think he was....
Yeah, I think he was more likely talking about yours....
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nope, was refering to the dorsal hump on the fusalage where the cockpit was. :D
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Ooohhh! That one! :lol
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Wow, y'all really have no interest in these fine Italian birds? :huh
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I'd really like to see the C.R.42, the G.50, the C.200, S.M. 79 + 81 (I believe the 81 was the one that doubled as a transport) The CANT Z.1007 and The Piaggio, What the heck. Almost all of these were Early to Mid war planes, they would really help flesh out those planesets.
After that is when I'd ask for the R.e. 2005, and the G.55.
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
S.M. 79 + 81 (I believe the 81 was the one that doubled as a transport)
First of all, thanks for your support to the Italian planes, Frode.
As I stated in my first post, though, I think you may be referring to the SM 82:
(http://www.finn.it/regia/immagini/savoia/s82_arditi_paracadutisti.jpg)
not the SM 81:
(http://www.umt.fme.vutbr.cz/~ruja/modely/podklady/SM/SM81/2.jpg)
that was 2 years older than the SM 79 and mostly saw action during the Spanish War (even though it ended its carrier as transport, till 1943).
As for the P.108 and Re.2005, I'm afraid we won't see them in AH, really too few numbers.
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
First of all, thanks for your support to the Italian planes, Frode.
As I stated in my first post, though, I think you may be referring to the SM 82:
(http://www.finn.it/regia/immagini/savoia/s82_arditi_paracadutisti.jpg)
not the SM 81:
(http://www.umt.fme.vutbr.cz/~ruja/modely/podklady/SM/SM81/2.jpg)
that was 2 years older than the SM 79 and mostly saw action during the Spanish War (even though it ended its carrier as transport, till 1943).
As for the P.108 and Re.2005, I'm afraid we won't see them in AH, really too few numbers.
Gian, what really made me list them, is because they actually are in another game, Targetware. They feature prominetely in the Target: Tobruk mod.
It's an effective plane, and a great fighter. I'd also like to see the Re.2000, which was the radial-engined version.
http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Reggiane.html
You can read a little about it, in the above link. You were right, too, It was the S.M. 82. My bad.
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I know Target Tobruk, the mod's been made by ex AH Italian players (the guys of the 4° Stormo)... it's a very nice mod for Targetware, maybe the best, definitely my favourite! :)
But, alas, there were really too few Sagittario and P.108 to have it in AH. :(
P.S. Has Tobruk increased its player base? It was pretty empty last time I played it.
EDIT: I know the Reggiane fighters ;) . I think we could have the Re.2000 and the Re.2001 and '02, that would be the mainstay of the Reggiane fighters in service with Italian Air Forces... of the 2005, only about 13 exemplars entered service and they were soon grounded to solve the tail fluttering problem. They began flying again only a few days before the Armistice, after which they were destroyed by crew. No more Sagittario were manifactured.
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I was in there the other day, about 2:00 PM PST. 14 of us in there having a pretty good little fight.
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Hmmm... 2 PM there is 11 PM here! :) Well, maybe I'll give it another try, when next day I won't have to wake up early!