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Bobby Fisher, the former American world champion in chess has died.
Probably the best at the game...ever.
RIP
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A chess champion and true anti-semite.
It's too bad their isn't a hell for him to go to.
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Originally posted by Angus
Bobby Fisher, the former American world champion in chess has died.
Probably the best at the game...ever.
RIP
Also probably wrote the best "how to" book on teaching Chess ever.
Takes the reader/student from how each peice moves to a fairly complex game.
I credit it for teaching me how to finally beat my father at the game.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
A chess champion and true anti-semite.
It's too bad their isn't a hell for him to go to.
Rule #1 The World is a tough place. Learn to live in it as it is. Not how you want it to be.
Rule #2 Not everyone is going to like you or your kind for whatever reason.
It is their right to like or dislike whomever they want for whatever reason they want. Anything less is thought control.
Rule #3 See rule #1
;)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Also probably wrote the best "how to" book on teaching Chess ever.
Takes the reader/student from how each peice moves to a fairly complex game.
I credit it for teaching me how to finally beat my father at the game.
Do you have more on that book? I'd love to be able to beat my brother and my best friend, and my wife would love to be able to beat me :D
Anyway, he has been buried, in a farm graveyard in the south of Iceland. A good friend of mine lives there. Apparantly Fisher was a regular guest at their place, and they kept silent about it. Sucks to be famous....
His last words were "Nothing takes away pain better than a human touch".
Not sure of cause of death, but he had been ill for a while.
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LOL
Dred, you are aware that Mr. Fisher was quite pleased about the events on 9/11 right?
He was an amerihater AND an anti-semite. The US wanted to arrest him on numerous occasions.
He apparently was forced to live in Japan for a few years because he revoked his US citizenship but only had a US passport. Iceland gave him citizenship due to the fact that he promoted the country more than anyone and saved him from spending the rest of his life as an exile without citizenship anywhere.
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Originally posted by Angus
Do you have more on that book? I'd love to be able to beat my brother and my best friend, and my wife would love to be able to beat me :D
Anyway, he has been buried, in a farm graveyard in the south of Iceland. A good friend of mine lives there. Apparantly Fisher was a regular guest at their place, and they kept silent about it. Sucks to be famous....
His last words were "Nothing takes away pain better than a human touch".
Not sure of cause of death, but he had been ill for a while.
Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess (http://www.wholesalechess.com/chess/Bobby+Fischer+Teaches+Chess)
This discription on another website about sums it up
"Learn to think the same way Bobby does. This is the secret. You will be put in increasingly complex situations where you will be required to think and move the way Fischer does. You'll be a better player after you take Bobby Fischer's Chess Course. It works." (from the back cover)
A little bland, to the point, light on the poetic and accurate. As the back cover notes, this is a "Chess Course". It contains no lists of openings or moves, no analysis or deep tactics, nothing of any real color and in comparison to other books on the market, very little text. And yet, "It works"
Thats about it.
If you already know the game. It teaches you another way to think the game through.
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Dredlock, Fischer stated he hoped for a coup d'état in the US, and that the military government would then execute "hundreds of thousands of American Jewish leaders", "arrest all the Jews", and "close all synagogues". He described the attack of 9/11 as "wonderful news".
You keep chasing that rainbow, though.
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Originally posted by Curval
LOL
Dred, you are aware that Mr. Fisher was quite pleased about the events on 9/11 right?
These are the exact words that Bobby Fischer said to the press when he learned about the 9/11 attacks. He said this on 9/12/2001:
"This is wonderful news. It's time for the United States to get their heads kicked in. Finish off the USA once and for all. F*u*ck the Americans. F*u*ck the Jews. They're all murderous, criminal, thieving, lying bastards. They made up the Holocaust. They are the worst liars."
Did you also know that he renounced his American citizenship many years ago??
He was once a hero, but whatever was in his brain that gave him his amazing talent at chess eventually turned him into a raving, hate-filled brute.
I certainly do not mourn his death. His life turned into a tragedy, but it was of his own making. He was definitely no victim. He himself became quite evil.
SIG 220
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Sig 220, didn't Dredlock's soothing "everyone is a unique snowflake" speech above re-assure you about how great Mr. Fischer was? :D
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i take back my :(
and offer a
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Originally posted by Angus
Do you have more on that book? I'd love to be able to beat my brother and my best friend, and my wife would love to be able to beat me :D
Anyway, he has been buried, in a farm graveyard in the south of Iceland. A good friend of mine lives there. Apparantly Fisher was a regular guest at their place, and they kept silent about it. Sucks to be famous....
His last words were "Nothing takes away pain better than a human touch".
Not sure of cause of death, but he had been ill for a while.
The official cause of death was kidney failure. Although no explanation has been given for the cause of this failure. Fischer was only 64 years old, not that old of a man.
Fischer had a very difficult childhood. His parents divorced when he was only two, and his mother raised him by herself after that. His parents had divorced because Fischer's mother had had an affair with a brilliant Hungarian Scientist by the name of Paul F. Nemenyi, who is now generally recognized as being his real father. So the poor man never had any kind of father, and never even met his real father.
His mother was a very active leftist and supporter of Communism. She was also Jewish. ( And strangely enough, so was Paul F. Nemenyi, so that made Fischer 100% Jewish. )
Fischer developed an extreme hatred of both Communism and Jews, because of his feelings for his mother. When he went into seclusion after winning the world chess championship in 1972, he became an avid reader of books about the Nazis and Adolf Hitler.
However, he eventually turned against the United States also, which he believed was being run by Jews, and was also supporting Israel. He has been living abroad in a number of countries for many years, including the Philippines and Japan.
I believe that Dennis Surrey made the best comment about Bobby Fischer this past week to the press:
"Between genius and madness there is only a fine line."
SIG 220
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I won't miss him any. Chess is a fine game but it doesn't make for much of an improvement in the world. He made his own hell, whether he's in it deeper now or released is simply useless conjecture. AFAIC he didn't do much to make the world a better place for having been here.
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great chess player
i used to love that movie about the kid playing chess, "finding bobby fischer" or something like that
didn't know he was a crazy loon (just thought excentric) that vocally hates on a race of people until a year a two ago
too bad genius often comes hand in hand with lunacy (ironic isn't it?)
I did like how he came out of hiding to beat that russian guy again before disapearing again. This is the reason the US wanted to arrest him. They played the game in Yugoslavia which we had a trade embargo upon. Fischer won money in the match and the that was in direct violation of the embargo.
this thread is bringing back the desire to play some chess again. think i'll just stick to the AH2 chess pieces at war instead :D
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Dredlock, Fischer stated he hoped for a coup d'état in the US, and that the military government would then execute "hundreds of thousands of American Jewish leaders", "arrest all the Jews", and "close all synagogues". He described the attack of 9/11 as "wonderful news".
You keep chasing that rainbow, though.
However, he only said these statements after using his amazing 182 IQ to determine that the United States was being controlled by Jews.
He believed that the only way that the United States could be redeemed would be if the Military took over, and then executed all of these hundreds of thousands of Jewish "ring-leaders", as he called them, which he believed were controlling the country. Synagogues would all be destroyed, but all of the rest of the Jews in the USA that were not leaders would still be allowed to live in prisons.
So it would seem clear from his remarks that he was in favor of bringing back the Nazi concentration camps, only this time right here in America.
He was clearly one seriously messed up man. Since both of his parents were Jewish, he must have thus hated himself too.
Perhaps it was all of that hatred bottled up inside him that caused his death at such an early age of 64.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by Maverick
I won't miss him any. Chess is a fine game but it doesn't make for much of an improvement in the world. He made his own hell, whether he's in it deeper now or released is simply useless conjecture. AFAIC he didn't do much to make the world a better place for having been here.
um. so what do you so that improves the world so much mav?
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Well 88 I have had 2 careers in sevice to my community and country. There was at least one other person for sure that was alive longer because I was there, possibly many more.
If that doesn't count more than playing a board game for a living to you, that's your problem I suppose.
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well, you heard it folks. if you aren't in the service, you ain't squat.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by JB88
well, you heard it folks. if you aren't in the service, you ain't squat.
:rolleyes:
Please point out exactly where I said that. Feel free to use a quote.:huh
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Originally posted by bongaroo
great chess player
i used to love that movie about the kid playing chess, "finding bobby fischer" or something like that
didn't know he was a crazy loon (just thought excentric) that vocally hates on a race of people until a year a two ago
too bad genius often comes hand in hand with lunacy (ironic isn't it?)
I did like how he came out of hiding to beat that russian guy again before disapearing again. This is the reason the US wanted to arrest him. They played the game in Yugoslavia which we had a trade embargo upon. Fischer won money in the match and the that was in direct violation of the embargo.
this thread is bringing back the desire to play some chess again. think i'll just stick to the AH2 chess pieces at war instead :D
You'd be surprised about the TRUE stories behind the geniuses we love.
Take the guy from "A Beautiful Mind." While he was a genius, he was also a predatorial pedophiliac.
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"If that doesn't count more than playing a board game for a living to you, that's your problem I suppose."
should it? or should i appreciate the contributions that everyone makes.
now, that's not to lessen your contribution, but give me a break...most people don't do what you do and most people contribute just fine.
are football players are losers too?
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Bobby was a bit nutty, such as being an ati semite jew....
However, I always felt sad about the U.S. not remembering him on his victory in 1972, - it was a big slap in the face of the USSR in the middle of the cold war. It was not just a chess victory, and even as only such, it was a crushing victory!
He did get quite rough in his statements and he did get jailed for quite a while for that, - in Japan. The long arm of the USA can indeed be long if you open your mouth too much, however it seems odd to me when the USA has Nazis in brown and black clothes openly marching in public without any measure.
I also feel a bit sad that he didn't finish his project, - which was a new ruleset on chess along with a special clock, in order to inspire the game of chess as a game of thought and vision rather than a game of memory.
(I always sucked at chess unless I managed to get the position abnormal enough to be able to use my head rather than memory of maneuvers).
P.S.
Drediock, I want to thank you for your input. I will forward it to some chessplayers.
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http://www.chessclub.com
great online chess community.
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Originally posted by JB88
"If that doesn't count more than playing a board game for a living to you, that's your problem I suppose."
should it? or should i appreciate the contributions that everyone makes.
now, that's not to lessen your contribution, but give me a break...most people don't do what you do and most people contribute just fine.
are football players are losers too?
Wow. You are in a fiesty mood today...:confused:
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yah...i know. but i thought it was a pretty dumb statement.
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Well, I don't know what tortured him so badly to cause him to hold such a hateful view of his country and the Jews. I certainly don't agree with his politics. We won't miss him for that. It may be a product of his upbringing, his genius, or just insanity.
OTOH, he was one of the finest chess minds ever to play the game. Hard to argue there.
Last year I finally got hold of a copy of his out of print book "My 60 Memorable Games". I think it is the best of the lot. I like to play the King's Indian as black, and Fisher was brilliant at it. Get the book and play through some of the games...amazing stuff.
Joker
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I'm still waiting for you to show me the quote in the thread where I made that statement 88.
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"If that doesn't count more than playing a board game for a living to you, that's your problem I suppose."
right there.
it was implied.
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Originally posted by JB88
"If that doesn't count more than playing a board game for a living to you, that's your problem I suppose."
right there.
it was implied.
So is it PMS that got you all worked up over this?
Sure he contributed more then a racist chess player, why do you feel so personaly slighted?
Mav has every right to be proud of his service.
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every man has the right to be proud of whatever he does.
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Originally posted by JB88
every man has the right to be proud of whatever he does.
Sure, and I think for you to take what Mav said as being agaist that is a stretch.
Every other man has a right to think he is a fool for believing it as well.
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whichever which.
anywho...
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Originally posted by Curval
LOL
Dred, you are aware that Mr. Fisher was quite pleased about the events on 9/11 right?
He was an amerihater AND an anti-semite. The US wanted to arrest him on numerous occasions.
He apparently was forced to live in Japan for a few years because he revoked his US citizenship but only had a US passport. Iceland gave him citizenship due to the fact that he promoted the country more than anyone and saved him from spending the rest of his life as an exile without citizenship anywhere.
Originally posted by Chairboy
Dredlock, Fischer stated he hoped for a coup d'état in the US, and that the military government would then execute "hundreds of thousands of American Jewish leaders", "arrest all the Jews", and "close all synagogues". He described the attack of 9/11 as "wonderful news".
You keep chasing that rainbow, though.
Originally posted by Chairboy
Sig 220, didn't Dredlock's soothing "everyone is a unique snowflake" speech above re-assure you about how great Mr. Fischer was? :D
Me Soothing?
LOL I know there are times I can be about as soothing as 60 grit sandpaper on a fresh sunburn.
But I tell it as I see it. not as I want it to be seen.
and I prefer to see the world as it is. Not as I would like it to be
LOL Im not defending his opinions or thoughts. Only his right to have them.
Its like free speech, You cant only have free speech for the things you like.
Ok he said what he said. Old news. I didnt perticularly agree with them either. But.
Did he actually act on those thoughts and opinions? No
Had he done so. Then I could condemn him
Inasmuch as he didnt he has every right to think whatever kooky thoughts he wants.
As Lasersailer put it
"too bad genius often comes hand in hand with lunacy "
but speaking of koooky opinions
Hell I've met a few people that honestly think that the Jews should have sole possession of Isreal because "God Promised it to them" is a valid arguement.
Now Im not anti semetic. but I also see a bit of kookyness in that line of thinking.
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"Now Im not anti semetic. but I also see a bit of kookyness in that line of thinking."
Yea, the bible is kooky that way.
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Originally posted by SIG220
He was clearly one seriously messed up man. Since both of his parents were Jewish, he must have thus hated himself too.
SIG 220
Yanno I was going to say that "Isnt Fischer " typically a Jewish name?"
If thats the case then how can a Jew be an Anti Semite?
Or is he just a classic case of a "Self loathing Jew."
;)
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Originally posted by Maverick
Well 88 I have had 2 careers in sevice to my community and country. There was at least one other person for sure that was alive longer because I was there, possibly many more.
If that doesn't count more than playing a board game for a living to you, that's your problem I suppose.
I wasnt in the service but.
I saved a guy from drowning once when everyone else froze, unable to think of what to do.
He was able to live longer because I was there too
Does that count? ;)
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Originally posted by JB88
"If that doesn't count more than playing a board game for a living to you, that's your problem I suppose."
right there.
it was implied.
Nope it was not implied, you simply inferred it. I also was talking about what I did in direct answer to your question. I did not generalize nor try to extend it to anyone else. I tend to say exactly what I think and do not play word games. I would have thought you would have known that by now.
Dred, yeah it does IMO and I am not blowing smoke at all. You put yourself on the line to actually do something for another.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Nope it was not implied, you simply inferred it. I also was talking about what I did in direct answer to your question. I did not generalize nor try to extend it to anyone else. I tend to say exactly what I think and do not play word games. I would have thought you would have known that by now.
i don't pay that much attention to you mav.
that said, you implied that someone doing something other than what you have done is a waste of time.
pity we aren't all just like you. what a waste we are. chess players, cellists, delivery guys, grocery store clerks, postal employees...oh wait, they serve (sort of) the list goes on.
blah blah blah.
fisher said what he thought too. good for you.
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:rolleyes:
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likewise i'm sure.
;)
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88,
Mav was responding to someone questioning what he’s done that makes him worthy of criticizing BF. He responded to that question as any of us would have, he stated his contribution to society and compared his only to BF’s. You really are reading way too much into what he said.
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wouldn't be the first time.
(shrugs)
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I liked his book and movie.
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Originally posted by SIG220
The official cause of death was kidney failure. Although no explanation has been given for the cause of this failure. Fischer was only 64 years old, not that old of a man.
The Mossad poisoned him!:noid
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Just heard that he refused medical assistance regarding his kidney problems.
That was not a particularly smart move...
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Didn't he also express joy when that baby killer Nazi sympathizer blew up that Federal building?
What an altogether wretched little man. I dont care if he was in a movie that had him dancing with Judy Garland on the Yellow brick road. He was a mean spirited, hateful, little man.
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Bear in mind that you indeed allow nazis marching in full uniform.
As well as the KKK....
(and that "baby" was a white U.S. born ex-soldier)
Anyway, Kasparov has quoted on Fisher, so the link was intended for Drediock ;)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1707222,00.html
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Originally posted by Angus
Bear in mind that you indeed allow nazis marching in full uniform.
As well as the KKK....
(and that "baby" was a white U.S. born ex-soldier)
Anyway, Kasparov has quoted on Fisher, so the link was intended for Drediock ;)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1707222,00.html
I dont quite get your point. For the record I think that Nazis, the KKK, Timothy Mcveigh, all suck too. Or "sucked".
Shame on little IceLand for coming to this mopes rescue. But hey, he could play chess right?:rolleyes:
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Shame back for you for allowing Nazis to march on in public!
Fisher didn't dress up for the job, however he got jailed for what he said, and IMHO not being quite stable in the head.