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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MajWoody on January 22, 2008, 02:46:00 PM
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If you have no compassion for the loss of a loved one, keep it to yourself & don't soil someone else's post with your diatribe.
Originally posted by Yknurd
Sorry you feel that way...But why you found it necessary to post about your dead mother in the Aces High General Discussion forum is beyond my understanding. I sincerely hope that you can learn to post in the correct "Forum". Please take some advice that comes from my own mis-postings:
Whatever your deficiencies, I already knew that I had only one set of parents. And by definition of parents means: they gave you life. A little understanding has already prevented a "truck load" of regrets by considering her dead and gone already. My time on earth is what it is, and my love is better spent in other areas reducing my misery and eliminating self-loathing.
I couldn't care less what you wish...
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Speechless,
Boner
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:O
Possibly the most offensive post I have seen to date in the General Discussion forum.
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Originally posted by MajWoody
If you have no compassion for the loss of a loved one, keep it to yourself & don't soil someone else's post with your diatribe.
I agree wholeheartedly Majwoody. Yknurd, contribute in a worthwhile manner to this community, or put a cork in your worthless piehole.
Oink
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Originally posted by MajWoody
If you have no compassion for the loss of a loved one, keep it to yourself & don't soil someone else's post with your diatribe.
You took my post out of context. My original post was innocuous and I was subsequently attacked.
I responded to his attack in a very careful and deliberately proportional manner. My post directly paralleled his.
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He did not attack you. He POLITELY asked why you had to post in that fashion in his post.
I quoted your entire post. It & the quote it came from is there for all to see.
Now shadup!
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Well If you are going to POST in a General Forum ....... All Opinions should be welcome. I do not Agree with his Post. This is how he feels.
Oh this Will Be Locked .
Crims
479th Raiders FG
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Originally posted by Yknurd
You took my post out of context. My original post was innocuous and I was subsequently attacked.
I responded to his attack in a very careful and deliberately proportional manner. My post directly paralleled his.
Out of context?----nope!
Innocuous? ----not even close!
Attacked? ----nope!
Grossly inappropriate? ----- YES!!
If I was HTC, I would boot your arse outta this game so fast your freekin empty head would spin off!!
Shame on you,
Boner
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your post in majissues thread was really unfortunate uknurd.
I truly feel bad for your situation as no one should have to live with those feelings, yet it does happen.
I love my mom with all my heart. Since my dad passed away Im one of the few people that really looks after her, and Im so happy to be able to.
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First, maj, Condolences, I saluted on the actual thread.
But, as horrible as it does sound, Crims technically has a point.
What would we do if we wiped out all those idiots? Freedom of speech would be gone by definition.
YKnurd clearly just stated what he felt about his mother which had little relation to Maj.'s mom. It's not physically hurting anyone, and it really isn't a direct insult at all. It's his own opinion about his mother, and perhaps there's an underlying issue. It is an odd thing to say, but who are we to say what is the normal thing to say? Are we just supposed to assume that 'sorry for your loss, condolences etc. etc.' is 'normal'. Most say, sure it is, that's what you're supposed to say, but that's really what society has taught us is normal.
Are Neo-Nazi's 'normal' by societal definition? Hell, no. But that's it right there... that's what ironically was fought for. Freedom of speech.
We look at Yknurd's speech and we think 'what an a**hole!!!' but why? Everyone has problems and it only takes the media or someone to post his words, stick it in the light with no consideration to the possible cause of the post and just say 'YKnurd, you suck!'
Everyone who at first seems in violation is likely a victim as well, and YKnurd is clearly somehow not just an offender.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
You took my post out of context. My original post was innocuous and I was subsequently attacked.
I responded to his attack in a very careful and deliberately proportional manner. My post directly paralleled his.
Yknurd = PNGed
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Banshee7
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If he wants to post about pizzing on his mothers grave he can make his own post to state that fact. It was a tasteless & heartless thing to say. Truly a classless act to Maj's tribute to his mother.
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There is a big difference between freedom of speech and having a little bit of tact. A little tact was in order in the situation. None was used whatsoever. Yknurd, I think you could have refrained from your original post.
Oink
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Originally posted by MajWoody
If he wants to post about pizzing on his mothers grave he can make his own post to state that fact. It was a tasteless & heartless thing to say. Truly a classless act on Maj's tribute to his mother.
agreed
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Banshee7
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Gotta say, I don't agree with the way yk posted in that thread. Though his first post was a statement related to himself, and not towards anyone else, it was not appropriate, imho of course.
But, making a thread to highlight this issue is in bad form as well. Really, should just left a reply to his first post in the thread alone, and I'm not sure what one could hope to accomplish by replying to it, let alone making a new thread.
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Originally posted by 1Boner
Out of context?----nope!
Innocuous? ----not even close!
Attacked? ----nope!
Grossly inappropriate? ----- YES!!
If I was HTC, I would boot your arse outta this game so fast your freekin empty head would spin off!!
Shame on you,
Boner
i second the motion
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I won't comment much about Drunky's post other than he's right about one thing.
Obituaries belong to O'Club if at all.
While I understand some have to share their pain, many come here to relax and to get away from RL. They want to talk about game and not about something depressing like death of family member...
If it's not about Aces High, post it in O'Club, that what it is for.
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Originally posted by pluck
Gotta say, I don't agree with the way yk posted in that thread. Though his first post was a statement related to himself, and not towards anyone else, it was not appropriate, imho of course.
But, making a thread to highlight this issue is in bad form as well. Really, should just left a reply to his first post in the thread alone, and I'm not sure what one could hope to accomplish by replying to it, let alone making a new thread.
I made a new thread so this didn't detract from the original post by MajIssue. We didn't need this in a tribute to his mother
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Drunky,
At some point you may well realize that despite whatever piece of work your mother might have contrived it is you and only you who are in charge of and responsible for yourself. Maybe some day you will come to terms with who you are and from there find value beyond trashing others. Good luck.
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Originally posted by MajWoody
I made a new thread so this didn't detract from the original post by MajIssue. We didn't need this in a tribute to his mother
Exactly.
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When I read MajIssue's original post I was greatly moved. It made me want to give my mom a call and just let her know that I love her. I for one really appreciate the transparency that MajIssue displayed. At the same time I feared that one of the "non-humans" like Yknurd would show up. I am regularly shocked at some of the attitudes expressed on this forum. It seems that when you try to be a decent person one of these pieces of human debris come along and do something like this. I have witnessed some truly tasteless and disrespectful comments made on these boards but this is by far the worst I have ever seen. I find that sort of hate and disrespect incredibly troubling.
-mark
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2bighorn hit it on the head. I'm not Dr Phil, and I don't wish to be. No offense to you or your families meant, but this public grieving to complete strangers is getting out of hand.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
I won't comment much about Drunky's post other than he's right about one thing.
Obituaries belong to O'Club if at all.
While I understand some have to share their pain, many come here to relax and to get away from RL. They want to talk about game and not about something depressing like death of family member...
If it's not about Aces High, post it in O'Club, that what it is for.
You seem to have missed the statement "I will be away from AH for a few days". As did other's and this statement would "permit" the General Discussion posting.
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Originally posted by 1Boner
Out of context?----nope!
Innocuous? ----not even close!
Attacked? ----nope!
Grossly inappropriate? ----- YES!!
If I was HTC, I would boot your arse outta this game so fast your freekin empty head would spin off!!
Shame on you,
Boner
/agree 1boner
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
I won't comment much about Drunky's post other than he's right about one thing.
Obituaries belong to O'Club if at all.
While I understand some have to share their pain, many come here to relax and to get away from RL. They want to talk about game and not about something depressing like death of family member...
If it's not about Aces High, post it in O'Club, that what it is for.
Wrong!
If one of our comrades in this game be it friend or foe feels the need to share his sorrow with us, why should anyone be upset by it enough to actually say something so foul?
The title in the thread said it all.
Don,t wanna "ruin your day?"
Don,t read it, or ruin someone elses day by making rude comments in it.
If you don,t wanna participate in the thread-------DON'T!!
What part of "common courtesy" don't you get?
Courteously yours,
boner
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
I won't comment much about Drunky's post other than he's right about one thing.
Obituaries belong to O'Club if at all.
While I understand some have to share their pain, many come here to relax and to get away from RL. They want to talk about game and not about something depressing like death of family member...
If it's not about Aces High, post it in O'Club, that what it is for.
hmmmm wonder why you didnt say this when tailspn died or when 68KO died.
reguardless of the lack of knowing where to put the post. the above posted was tasteless and lack of common sense.
i understand those are your fellings, and respect that, but those are fellings that was ment to be kept to yourselve.
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While I understand you made this thread as to not post in the tribute, it really has the same affect. You are taking something that you think is negative, and giving it a forum. Some people post negative things for this very issue. This thread in itself takes away from someone's tribute, and is doing absolutely nothing to help with the grieving process. The only reason for the existance of this thread is so that some people can discuss whether or not someone else is a jerk....which is pretty classless as well. I would think most people could formulate their own opinion by reading what was written, without having a discussion about it.
And yes freedom of speech and tact are 2 seperate issues, and not related. You can have freedom of speech and be tactfull or tactless or vice versa. However, HTC is god here, so really both are irrelevant.
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Originally posted by pluck
While I understand you made this thread as to not post in the tribute, it really has the same affect. You are taking something that you think is negative, and giving it a forum. Some people post negative things for this very issue. This thread in itself takes away from someone's tribute, and is doing absolutely nothing to help with the grieving process. The only reason for the existance of this thread is so that some people can discuss whether or not someone else is a jerk....which is pretty classless as well. I would think most people could formulate their own opinion by reading what was written, without having a discussion about it.
And yes freedom of speech and tact are 2 seperate issues, and not related. You can have freedom of speech and be tactfull or tactless or vice versa. However, HTC is god here, so really both are irrelevant.
this is true, however you know as well as i do, if this thread would not have been started it would have been done on the other thread.
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I usually never post but I need to put my 2 cents in here.
I have to agree with Majwoody on this. Majissue starts a thread about his mom's passing and this S**T Yknurd has to type in a line like that!?!?!
He could have just read it and if he didn't like it or though it should be in another "forum",He should have pm'd the maj.
Yknurd....you don't like your mom....to bad
have some compassion for someone else that does...show some class.
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Free Speech is not a one way street..... anyone blabing and then defending it with crying free speech needs to understand..... you open the door for others to use their God given Free Speech also.
The true problem here is the simple fact that people do not have to take a test before becoming parents. Yet, after the fact, we do not let nature run it's course. Instead we pay dearly to protect the lazy low lifes and their spawn.
MajIssue lost his Mom.... he is grieving. I know how he must feel. He doesn't need anyone posting negative blather. He needs our support.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
The true problem here is the simple fact that people do not have to take a test before becoming parents. Yet, after the fact, we do not let nature run it's course. Instead we pay dearly to protect the lazy low lifes and their spawn.
Ahhhh, there is the compassion everyone is talking about
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Originally posted by Yknurd
You took my post out of context. My original post was innocuous and I was subsequently attacked.
I responded to his attack in a very careful and deliberately proportional manner. My post directly paralleled his.
Don't even bother, a55hole. The truth only makes you look worse.
The reason I didn't bash you in the condolences thread is because that thread is for condolences, not for attacking other people.
Whether or not MajIssue should have posted it is your own opinion, but the fact remains that he did (IMO he did what was right), and it cannot be deleted, so you might as well join the rest of us in paying respect to his mother.
I would strongly recommend editing your post into something rather more considerate, and apologising for your behaviour.
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Yes we are a "community," but in this virtual world we inhabit things like these are better off kept in the more tight knit groups, such as squads and close personal friends in game. While I am very sorry for Maj's loss, coming into the general discussion with it is like walking up to someone you barely know and laying it on them. It's just not quite the right way to handle it in my opinion.
These threads have gotten quite out of hand lately with things being very hard to verify as truth over the internet. In the past people have lost and kept it more quiet, yet people who know and care for the individual always end up finding out and help in the grieving process in a more intimate and probably meaningful manner. Seeing these things almost weekly now desensitizes the community to it in a way. Again just my opinion though.
Very sorry for you loss.
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Originally posted by kilz
common sense.
Posting obituaries on the internet message board about game, which purpose is killing and destruction makes sense to you, especially when deceased had no connection with the game whatsoever?
As far as the 68KO is concerned, I would become very vocal if there would be any danger of turning this game into virtual tombstone.
There's right time and the right place for certain things...
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Obituaries belong to O'Club if at all.....snip...
If it's not about Aces High, post it in O'Club, that what it is for.
Understand what you're saying, but I disagree. AH is more than a game for a lot of us, who have built friendships with people we wouldn't have known any other way. And whether you like it or not, even the toned down O'Club has enough pirhana like activity that many of us just don't go there at all. And we're not talking about a huge discussion -- these threads act like community post-it notes, where somebody lets us know what's going on and (mostly) we gather around to give some virtual support.
So because this is a community as well as a game, it seems to me that simple posts like Maj's are perfectly appropriate.
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Dang...Yossarian laid down some LAW!!!!!
wtg MAN :)
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Free speech or not, what was said by YK is totally wrong no matter how you look at it. Sorry that your mom didnt hug you enough when you were young or maybe you are pissed that you cant be breast fed anymore. Either way no one cares to read your pathetic little whimpers about how you dont care about your mom. Your tastless and warped mind shows just how little you are capable of understanding. A good man wants to pay a little tribute to his mother, so be it. MAJissue is a squaddie of mine and I consider him a good friend. If he wants to write a few words about his mother passing then let him.
In closing, I really cant wait until I see you (YK) in the arena so I can give you the mid-air thrashing you deserve. Better yet I would love to see you walking down the street so I could teach you a little respect first hand. Something your mother obviously couldnt do.
OUT,
Sooner
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Originally posted by Simaril
Understand what you're saying, but I disagree. AH is more than a game for a lot of us, who have built friendships with people we wouldn't have known any other way. And whether you like it or not, even the toned down O'Club has enough pirhana like activity that many of us just don't go there at all. And we're not talking about a huge discussion -- these threads act like community post-it notes, where somebody lets us know what's going on and (mostly) we gather around to give some virtual support.
So because this is a community as well as a game, it seems to me that simple posts like Maj's are perfectly appropriate.
Simaril, read the Stang's post. He explains better (and more politely) than I could ever do...
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Obituaries belong to O'Club if at all.
While I understand some have to share their pain, many come here to relax and to get away from RL. They want to talk about game and not about something depressing like death of family member...
If it's not about Aces High, post it in O'Club, that what it is for.
2bighorn, whilst I understand your point and why you're making it, I'd like to say that IMO it's important to remember anyone you know who's died, and that if someone feels that posting in these forums is an effective way of doing so, then it is their right.
Now, perhaps it should have gone in the O-Club, I don't know, but if you feel that is the case, I think that argument should be held in the O-Club.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Posting obituaries on the internet message board about game, which purpose is killing and destruction makes sense to you, especially when deceased had no connection with the game whatsoever?
As far as the 68KO is concerned, I would become very vocal if there would be any danger of turning this game into virtual tombstone.
There's right time and the right place for certain things...
^ what he said.
If you pin your heart to a gaming bbs don't be surpised if someone stomps on it. Harden up, this is the net, not the mylittlepony.com forums.
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Originally posted by Banshee7
Yknurd = PNGed
IN and agreed
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Originally posted by Vulcan
^ what he said.
If you pin your heart to a gaming bbs don't be surpised if someone stomps on it. Harden up, this is the net, not the mylittlepony.com forums.
Sure, this is common sense Vulcan, and I agree that you should be prepared to deal with the consequences of posting on a public forum. I am sure that MajIssue knew these risks when he posted the tribute.
However, this does not change the fact that Yknurd just took the words 'stunninghunk' and 'senseless' etc. to an entirely new level of meaning. I support free speech, but I believe it should always be used carefully and with moderation.
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cut the guy just a small measure of slack. I think that perhaps yknurds mom was maybe abusive towards him and treated him terribly, obviously. There are women that do that to their kids and its a tragedy. Sometimes the feelings that are left over are truly regrettable, not yknurds fault but yeah, posting what he said did seem out of character for him. Im letting it go.
Again, do the best you can and love as much and forgive as much as you can possibly manage. Life is too short to waste on hatred and anger.
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Originally posted by Yossarian
if someone feels that posting in these forums is an effective way of doing so, then it is their right.
This is HTC's forum for the discussion of their game. We have no rights whatsoever regarding what we post or discuss. There is no free speech, no entitlement to do as we wish. The folks at HTC have been nice enough to provide us with a venue to discuss things outside the realm of AH, and that, IMO and according to the rules, is where things like this should remain.
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Everything I learned about getting along with people I learned from the Disney movie "Bambi" ...love the part when "thumper" says "if you don't have anything good to say...... then say nothing at all"
999000 my condolences...maybe all of us who still have living Mom's and Dad's will take the time to appreciate them a bit more.
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Yeager: I completely agree with your points, and my aim/opinion is that Yknurd should simply edit his first post that caused all this into something inoffensive.
hubsonfire: In my post I was more referring to what I think is morally correct than to the rules of the forum.
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Perhaps you should explain why my post was offensive.
I reread what I posted and found nothing that insulted him or his mother.
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Originally posted by pluck
The only reason for the existance of this thread is so that some people can discuss whether or not someone else is a jerk....which is pretty classless as well. I would think most people could formulate their own opinion by reading what was written, without having a discussion about it.
Pluck,
I think you've been around the bbs long enough to know that there are many who would have started a pizzing match about this right in the Maj's thread, so the formulating their own opinion without having a discussion about it isn't going to happen. I started this thread so that it wouldn't happen in his thread.
As was stated above, there are some real friendships made here and if someone wants to share their feelings then why bash them as if they are not real people, just virtual people. If you don't want to read a post like that then don't.
Regards
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Originally posted by Yknurd
Perhaps you should explain why my post was offensive.
I reread what I posted and found nothing that insulted him or his mother.
Your post was as inappropriate as these morons.
You just don't get it, and no one will ever be able to explain it to you
(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2762/westborobaptistchurchrq0.png)
Ignorance is bliss.
Who me?,
Boner
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Originally posted by Yossarian
I support free speech, but I believe it should always be used carefully and with moderation.
With statement, Its hard to believe you support free speech, unless it is to your liking. For example, it's okay to disagree with the president, as long as you don't call him an ahole, and when you do talk bad about him, it is only once a week.
Away from a bb, privately owned, people should be able to express themselves however they want, regardless of how it makes others feel. That doesn't mean you have to agree with them, or not think that person is a jerk, you are free to do so. The minute you start using caution and words like moderation, you no longer have free speech. You just can't say you support free speech, as long as it is used carefully and with moderation....because then it is not free to people who do not agree with your individual ideas and definitions. Just because you wouldn't say it, doesn't mean someone else shouldn't. Though veryone is accountable for what they say in one way or another.
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Here's my opinion about the whole blessed thing.
MAJIssue posted a thread letting everyone know that his mom has recently passed awya and he won't be online for a while. Then some lame arse genuine stunninghunk comes in and starts throwing negative crap about how this shouldn't be posted here...blahdy blah blah. The point is...whether his mother had direct contact with the game or not...she should be respected. As someone said..whether it is friend or foe we give them our condolences and what not to respect not only his mother..but MAJissue. We've all been through it some time or another and we all know how it feels. Even though Aces High is a Virtual world...we are still a FAMILY (Virtual or not) and we are all here to back others and comfort them in their times of need. We may not be close to other players...hell we might even hate their guts...but how would you feel if you had lost a loved one, posted a thread in remembrance and honor and to let us know you'll be off a while, and someone throws in a bunch of negatives words and actions. How heartless can you be...? Think about that why dont ya.
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Banshee7
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Originally posted by Stang
Yes we are a "community," but in this virtual world we inhabit things like these are better off kept in the more tight knit groups, such as squads and close personal friends in game. While I am very sorry for Maj's loss, coming into the general discussion with it is like walking up to someone you barely know and laying it on them. It's just not quite the right way to handle it in my opinion.
These threads have gotten quite out of hand lately with things being very hard to verify as truth over the internet. In the past people have lost and kept it more quiet, yet people who know and care for the individual always end up finding out and help in the grieving process in a more intimate and probably meaningful manner. Seeing these things almost weekly now desensitizes the community to it in a way. Again just my opinion though.
Very sorry for you loss.
You know, Stang, that is true. For example, a 14-year old, 5-foot-and-a few-thousandsths' can become anything they care to describe. Pro-football player, Navy SEAL vet, Head of Mensa, etc.
But, however, what makes AH different from a boxed sim flying against an AI Is this very community. Thousands' of players, from all over the world, who share the same hobby. Doesn't our 'tight knit group' start there? Isn't this what makes' this game dynamic? If it wasn't for the community, I'd take my 14.99$ a month and pay a one-time fee for a boxed' sim, and that would be that.
This is HTC's forum for the discussion of their game. We have no rights whatsoever regarding what we post or discuss. There is no free speech, no entitlement to do as we wish. The folks at HTC have been nice enough to provide us with a venue to discuss things outside the realm of AH, and that, IMO and according to the rules, is where things like this should remain.
That's true too, Hub. But for things' like this, we have used the G/D forum in the past. The O'club is off the beaten track for the majority of the community who are actively flying, and that's really who the message is for. Dale's yet to complain about it, AFAIK.
While I understand you made this thread as to not post in the tribute, it really has the same affect. You are taking something that you think is negative, and giving it a forum. Some people post negative things for this very issue. This thread in itself takes away from someone's tribute, and is doing absolutely nothing to help with the grieving process. The only reason for the existance of this thread is so that some people can discuss whether or not someone else is a jerk....which is pretty classless as well. I would think most people could formulate their own opinion by reading what was written, without having a discussion about it.
I see your point pluck, Skuzzy wields' his PNG stick fairly well. It's really up to him, Hitech, or Pyro as to what is done. I believe this thread simply brought the offense' out into the limelight, so to speak, to get they're attention. Out of all of the thread's that go on this board, they can't catch every little thing. I don't believe I've ever seen anything like what Yknurd origanally posted, however, as you can see, it's really stirred quite a few members' of the community. And with this thread, in a way, it's the community attempting to police itself. We should just wait and see what happens' from Grapevine.
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First of all, my condolences to MajIssue: he obviously had a great Mom and a great relationship with her, and she was a positive influence on his life.
Not everyone is so blessed.
I'm not talking about "not being breastfed" or "not being hugged enough." People who make comments like this surely lead sheltered lives.
There are kids whose parents are drug addicts, drunks, abusive, hateful, hurtful, and worse. There are parents who send their kids to the hospital.
Conversely, there are parents who are neglectful. There are parents with bona fide mental diseases. There are parents who let their kids basically raise themselves on the streets, and it's a miracle they didn't turn into wolves, so to speak. There are parents who only fit the definition because they donated a sperm or hosted an egg; they gave a kid life and nothing else but disadvantages and problems.
Now I'm not saying I am from such a family, but some of us are dealt pretty terrible hands when it comes to parents, and I can easily see someone in that situation lashing out against what looks like, on the surface, a whole bunch of people patting their parents on the back for being so great, post after post.
I'll bet there are a lot of readers of that "Piss on the grave remark" that laughed out loud. *Those* are probably the people with parents worse than you can imagine.
Now I don't necessarily think Yknurd's initial comments were appropriate to the discussion, but I bet there's something in Yknurd's past that's worth some sympathy too.
Call it a hunch.
Cut him some slack.
-Llama
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Originally posted by Yknurd
You took my post out of context. My original post was innocuous and I was subsequently attacked.
I responded to his attack in a very careful and deliberately proportional manner. My post directly paralleled his.
You sir are a moron. And your avatar offends me.And the meaning behind it
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It's too bad there isn't a majority rules voting/banning system on the BBS so you could vote people off the island.
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Originally posted by MajWoody
Pluck,
I think you've been around the bbs long enough to know that there are many who would have started a pizzing match about this right in the Maj's thread, so the formulating their own opinion without having a discussion about it isn't going to happen. I started this thread so that it wouldn't happen in his thread.
As was stated above, there are some real friendships made here and if someone wants to share their feelings then why bash them as if they are not real people, just virtual people. If you don't want to read a post like that then don't.
Regards
I guess my whole point was that if people just let something they percieve negative like that just die and not respond, acknowledge it, then it becomes less of a reason to post negative and you don't even have to have a discussion about it. There will always be something negative in a thread, answering to it only pours gas on the fire. But I guess I can kind of see where you are coming from on this. I understand the whole friendship thing, and i'm not saying anyone should be bashing anyone. I think there have been some very good points in this thread by others as well, and not by the people who just want a chance to call someone jerk....That's not exactly playing nice, nor dignified either and solves nothing.
at any rate, going to see how the free speech thing plays out:)
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Originally posted by BiPoLaR
And your avatar offends me.And the meaning behind it
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ack-ack
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This has nothing to do with free speech. How on earth some people do not understand this is beyond me. HT Creations has the last and final word on the content of these boards.
The point is the initial reply was inappropriate and the follow up was downright offensive. This has NOTHING to do with whether or not we should share the loss of a loved one on the General Forums. That can be debated and decided by the folks who are in charge of these forums.
The real point, as I see it, was a heartfelt post was tainted by someone who has absolutely no class or empathy for a fellow human being. Shame on you for dumping your petty anger on another member of this community who has lost a loved one.
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
That's true too, Hub. But for things' like this, we have used the G/D forum in the past. The O'club is off the beaten track for the majority of the community who are actively flying, and that's really who the message is for. Dale's yet to complain about it, AFAIK.
Our flagrant violations of the rules are just that, and I was mainly pointing out the statement that we have some sort of inherent right to discuss whatever we wish on their GD forum, while trying to censor others is patently false. HTC has been fairly tolerant of this kind of thing, perhaps out of an oversight, or just trying to be respectful of the community and its concerns. However, more and more, this tolerance is repaid with hoaxes, more hoaxes, and vitriolic personal attacks, and as such I'm really surprised they haven't put the kibosh on this kind of thing.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Our flagrant violations of the rules are just that, and I was mainly pointing out the statement that we have some sort of inherent right to discuss whatever we wish on their GD forum, while trying to censor others is patently false. HTC has been fairly tolerant of this kind of thing, perhaps out of an oversight, or just trying to be respectful of the community and its concerns. However, more and more, this tolerance is repaid with hoaxes, more hoaxes, and vitriolic personal attacks, and as such I'm really surprised they haven't put the kibosh on this kind of thing.
...Mmh. Good point. Past abuses' have kinda stretched the fabric of the BBS a little thin. There have been some real poo-flingers' in here.
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Originally posted by Banshee7
Here's my opinion about the whole blessed thing.
MAJIssue posted a thread letting everyone know that his mom has recently passed awya and he won't be online for a while. Then some lame arse genuine stunninghunk comes in and starts throwing negative crap about how this shouldn't be posted here...blahdy blah blah. The point is...whether his mother had direct contact with the game or not...she should be respected. As someone said..whether it is friend or foe we give them our condolences and what not to respect not only his mother..but MAJissue. We've all been through it some time or another and we all know how it feels. Even though Aces High is a Virtual world...we are still a FAMILY (Virtual or not) and we are all here to back others and comfort them in their times of need. We may not be close to other players...hell we might even hate their guts...but how would you feel if you had lost a loved one, posted a thread in remembrance and honor and to let us know you'll be off a while, and someone throws in a bunch of negatives words and actions. How heartless can you be...? Think about that why dont ya.
#S#
Banshee7
Great point Banshee7. and respected!
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Originally posted by RELIC
Shame on you for dumping your petty anger on another member of this community who has lost a loved one.
How is that different for dumping anger for far lesser reason? Like some are doing in this thread?
You see, opinions of what is important, inappropriate, who deserves respect, and for what, etc, differs.
Some are of opinion that grievance is personal matter and is usually shared among family, friends and those who are close to each other, and not publicly in front of strangers. Celebrities are perhaps exception due to public nature of their lives.
It has been so for centuries, probably for a good reason.
Many here don't take death easily and have enough trouble when their family members are passing away. It would be impossible to deal with every death in this rather large community, even less when you count all the "fakes".
Just because you feel bad doesn't mean everyone else has too...
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Just because you feel bad doesn't mean everyone else has too...
Who said you have to feel bad? What does that have to do with showing some respect by not posting a spiteful remark?
Like has been stated numerous times already, don't like it? don't read, or respond to it.
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I am sorry for the loss of his Mother, but some things are better kept to a small circle. Posting it in here is like throwing raw meat in a Lions Den. I can not believe anyone is shocked this happened. God forbid, if I lose my Mother, I sure wont post it outside my squad forum.
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Originally posted by MajWoody
Like has been stated numerous times already, don't like it? don't read, or respond to it.
Take your own advice then and stop complaining about Drunky.
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Originally posted by 1Boner
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Boner
Ok, sorry to throw off subject. But what on earth is this stupidity?
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Ok, sorry to throw off subject. But what on earth is this stupidity?
...-Gixer
Some fringe group of Christian whackos that have been going around with their signs to the funerals of fallen servicemen. They believe that the war with Iraq was God's way of punishing us for our sins. They also some how, have come to the conclusion that since our armed services have a "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, then that means that each serviceman is also defending homosexuality, which is another reason why God has stuck them down and explains some of their anti-homosexuality posters at these funerals.
Just another example of religious nut jobs, though these aren't wearing any turbans.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by pluck
With statement, Its hard to believe you support free speech, unless it is to your liking. For example, it's okay to disagree with the president, as long as you don't call him an ahole, and when you do talk bad about him, it is only once a week.
Away from a bb, privately owned, people should be able to express themselves however they want, regardless of how it makes others feel. That doesn't mean you have to agree with them, or not think that person is a jerk, you are free to do so. The minute you start using caution and words like moderation, you no longer have free speech. You just can't say you support free speech, as long as it is used carefully and with moderation....because then it is not free to people who do not agree with your individual ideas and definitions. Just because you wouldn't say it, doesn't mean someone else shouldn't. Though veryone is accountable for what they say in one way or another.
You seem to think that freedom of speech means freedom to be cruel, heartless and vicious. It does not. In this country, freedom of speech means freedom of political speech and social expression. It's generally allowed wide interpretation, but there are limits when it strays away from political or social expression into personal attack as a deliberate effort to inflict suffering. If vile speech is protected, why do thousands get sued for libel and slander? Hate speech is not protected, it's often proscecuted.
There are both legal and social limits on speech. There are corresponding penalties that can be enacted.
People need to show some common sense and compassion. Whether or not this was the proper forum for expression of grief is irrelevant. If someone doesn't feel to offer condolences, they should, at the very least, say nothing.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Grits
I am sorry for the loss of his Mother, but some things are better kept to a small circle. Posting it in here is like throwing raw meat in a Lions Den. I can not believe anyone is shocked this happened. God forbid, if I lose my Mother, I sure wont post it outside my squad forum.
Somehow i agree with you, i lost my mother 2 months ago, i did talk about it with squadies i know for 4-5 years ,and few friends i know on game.
But still "drunKY< "atitude is miserable, he was alway one of the few large dirty mouths tolerated by HTC that makes this game a disgusting experience for many players, but i hope at least learns from his mistakes and improves his behavior, but what i see from him is just high ego,poor defense of his imature atitude, not appologises.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Some fringe group of Christian whackos that have been going around with their signs to the funerals of fallen servicemen.
ack-ack
At Funerals?!! Speechless!
...-Gixer
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I dont care how you say it, try to cover it up or shovel it CRAP is CRAP and this Yturd shows the judgement of a callus and comtemptable internet social misfit.
somethings are just WRONG and his post in the previous thread was just that WRONG!
oh by the way IN
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Originally posted by pluck
Gotta say, I don't agree with the way yk posted in that thread. Though his first post was a statement related to himself, and not towards anyone else, it was not appropriate, imho of course.
But, making a thread to highlight this issue is in bad form as well. Really, should just left a reply to his first post in the thread alone, and I'm not sure what one could hope to accomplish by replying to it, let alone making a new thread.
He made a new thread as a show of respect to Maj
The comment from yknurd was inappropriate to say the least
anyone that does not like these kind of post's (loss of a friend or loved one) should move on without comment
he left this post to get a reaction
he is a sad individual to try and get attention in this way and should feel ashamed of himself for doing so. To defend such an action in any way shape or form is ,in my opinion equally shameful. And to tell someone that they should not post such a thread and seek comfort from their friends is also a disrespectful statement.
Common sence would tell a normal thinking inteligent person that if they disagree with such a thread being started, to simply ignore it and move on while keeping your negative opinions to yourself.
his actions are distasteful at best and he deserves the negative feedback he was abviously looking for.
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The loss of a parent, or any loved one, isn't an easy pill to swallow. MajIssue's post about his mother's passing may be a far reach as to what's appropriate on a general discussion WW2 air combat simulation but in this instance, I believe he was simply paying tribute to his mom, and sharing his feelings with friends and members of this community.
Frankly, I'm disturbed that something so poignant could churn up so much turmoil. No doubt, it was the last thing MajIssue intended.
IMHO it's time we all take a hard look at what we contribute to these forums and the game, as a community. In another thread, Aces High "then and now", a lot has been articulated as to the integrity of the AH community - then vs. now. A little courtesy and civility go a long way. This thread demonstrates the lack of either.
Where we go from here is soley up to YOU.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
You took my post out of context. My original post was innocuous and I was subsequently attacked.
I responded to his attack in a very careful and deliberately proportional manner. My post directly paralleled his.
Your first post was stupid and got the reaction you were looking for.
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Originally posted by ghi
Somehow i agree with you, i lost my mother 2 months ago, i did talk about it with squadies i know for 4-5 years ,and few friends i know on game.
But still "drunKY< "atitude is miserable, he was alway one of the few large dirty mouths tolerated by HTC that makes this game a disgusting experience for many players, but i hope at least learns from his mistakes and improves his behavior, but what i see from him is just high ego,poor defense of his imature atitude, not appologises.
I would like to clarify something about your post.
I am THE Drunky.
Perhaps you are thinking of Drunky07. I rarely type/say much in game and I have heard that he was quite 'loquacious'.
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Originally posted by Widewing
You seem to think that freedom of speech means freedom to be cruel, heartless and vicious. It does not. In this country, freedom of speech means freedom of political speech and social expression. It's generally allowed wide interpretation, but there are limits when it strays away from political or social expression into personal attack as a deliberate effort to inflict suffering. If vile speech is protected, why do thousands get sued for libel and slander? Hate speech is not protected, it's often proscecuted.
There are both legal and social limits on speech. There are corresponding penalties that can be enacted.
People need to show some common sense and compassion. Whether or not this was the proper forum for expression of grief is irrelevant. If someone doesn't feel to offer condolences, they should, at the very least, say nothing.
My regards,
Widewing
At the same time, racist groups are allowed to assemble and recruit to spread their garbage. I would agree it is a wide range, and there is a line, most noteable when it comes to threatening life, bodily harm, and finacial issues. I do not think I implied, or had not intended to imply, free speech is the freedom to do any of those things mentioned above. I acknowledge there is a line, but in the context of this thread, I don't see that that line was crossed. The post I was replying to was dealing with this issue.
And I could not agree more with your final paragraph.
I am not defending YK. Personally, I feel this issue was handled the wrong way. Instead on focusing on something that might be helpful, we have this, which doesn't seem helpful at all. I understand why he made the thread, which was because he wanted to call YK out, but not in the tribute. I get it. I just don't think making another thread ripping on him is more justified, and the the argument of if "I don't like it don't read" is not so good, 2 way street. Not trying to be hostel, just my opinion.
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An interesting observation might be:
While being vilified, Drunky suffered the slings and arrow of the moral majority in silence. Whimsically, he silently chided each of them as none could accurately articulate why his post was improper or immoral.
Uncharacteristically, there was a message in his post that started all this turmoil, but alas, but the righteous, lemming horde were neither intrigued nor had the capacity to hear it.
The satire of those claiming moral outrage and threatening physical violence was not lost upon his intrepid soul.
Interesting indeed.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
An interesting observation might be:
While being vilified, Drunky suffered the slings and arrow of the moral majority in silence. Whimsically, he silently chided each of them as none could accurately articulate why his post was improper or immoral.
Uncharacteristically, there was a message in his post that started all this turmoil, but alas, but the righteous, lemming horde were neither intrigued nor had the capacity to hear it.
The satire of those claiming moral outrage and threatening physical violence was not lost upon his intrepid soul.
Interesting indeed.
You need help dude
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Originally posted by yanksfan
And to tell someone that they should not post such a thread and seek comfort from their friends is also a disrespectful statement.
Those opinions were expressed in respectful and civil manner.
Starting this thread was rather inappropriate and the way how people start slamming on those who dare to disagree.
All who got problem with Drunky's post, send PM or email to HTC and it we'll be dealt with better than this thread can hope for.
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Originally posted by plasticman1973
Great point Banshee7. and respected!
Glad someone read the whole thing. Took me 15 minutes to type it and 3 minutes to read it. But my point is...we are all here to back up someone in their time of sorrow (I am anyway)
#S# MajIssue. May your mother be in heaven lookin down on us.
#S#
Banshee7
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Originally posted by Widewing
People need to show some common sense and compassion. Whether or not this was the proper forum for expression of grief is irrelevant. If someone doesn't feel to offer condolences, they should, at the very least, say nothing.
Agreed.
Having said that: There isn't much sense in perpetuating a bad mistake. We've all said unwise things that we regretted, and that those who know us recognized as out of character. Wouldn't be a bad idea if we just dropped this now. Both of these guys already feel bad enough.
- oldman
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Originally posted by SoonerMP
In closing, I really cant wait until I see you (YK) in the arena so I can give you the mid-air thrashing you deserve. Better yet I would love to see you walking down the street so I could teach you a little respect first hand. Something your mother obviously couldnt do.
OUT,
Sooner
Anyone on this BBS, threatening anyone else on this BBS, with bodily harm, should also fall quickly to the PNG stick.
There is no excuse for this either.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
How is that different for dumping anger for far lesser reason? Like some are doing in this thread?
You see, opinions of what is important, inappropriate, who deserves respect, and for what, etc, differs.
Some are of opinion that grievance is personal matter and is usually shared among family, friends and those who are close to each other, and not publicly in front of strangers. Celebrities are perhaps exception due to public nature of their lives.
It has been so for centuries, probably for a good reason.
Many here don't take death easily and have enough trouble when their family members are passing away. It would be impossible to deal with every death in this rather large community, even less when you count all the "fakes".
Just because you feel bad doesn't mean everyone else has too...
Dumping anger? How on earth you defend this by pretending the individual who threw the first rock is the victim is beyond me...
Opinions do indeed vary but when the vast majority tells you that you have been an arse then perhaps it's time for some self reflection.
The concept that somehow MajIssue "brought this on himself" by posting in an open forum is patently disgusting.
I do not "take death easily" and would not post the loss of a parent in an open forum like this. That is my decision but I would NEVER in a million years respond in such an insensitive manner to a member of this community who did.
I do feel bad for MajIssue and I have never met him or his family. I guess since I have also lost a parent I can understand how he feels and I sure as hell have the common courtesy to either express my sympathy or just say nothing at all.
Nobody is asking you to feel bad....
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Personally I don't mind when another player posts about the passing of a close loved one. I'm saddened, but it's out of respect for that one life that was born, done thier bit for the sake of others on this earth, and passed on. We only live here once for a short time.
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Not to be Comrade Obvious here - but by posting a thread about it you just blew it up and gave it needless exposure to make your "point".
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Originally posted by MajWoody
If you have no compassion for the loss of a loved one, keep it to yourself & don't soil someone else's post with your diatribe.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
Sorry you feel that way...But why you found it necessary to post about your dead mother in the Aces High General Discussion forum is beyond my understanding. I sincerely hope that you can learn to post in the correct "Forum". Please take some advice that comes from my own mis-postings:
Whatever your deficiencies, I already knew that I had only one set of parents. And by definition of parents means: they gave you life. A little understanding has already prevented a "truck load" of regrets by considering her dead and gone already. My time on earth is what it is, and my love is better spent in other areas reducing my misery and eliminating self-loathing.
I couldn't care less what you wish...
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ok.....i read this at my lunch break today.........and untill now(1am my time), i couldn't even think straight if i thought about it. you sir, are the very first person in 20 years that i wish physical harm to.(thank the gods you weren't in the same room as me and saying something like that) why good people like tailspin, and this guys mom have to be taken, and *******'s like you left on earth is beyond me. you probably should simply leave the game if htc doesn't ban you for being such a cruel, cold, heartless bastage. if htc doesn't ban you, maybe we as a community can......all it takes is for no-one to talk with you ingame, and no-one to fight you...i know i personally wouldn't give you the time of day now.....and would cross the street to not have to be near you. i'm insulted that an asss like you even is allowed to breathe the same air as me.
you MIGHT wanna consider apologizing to the original poster......although it can't undo the damage you did, it can at least help.......all the poor guy needed was to vent a bit..............i lost my grandparents 15 years ago, and didn't.....i held it all in, cause i "couldn't" cry..or feel pain.....that's not what men do, right? well, i lost it one weekend, and it hurt worse than if i had let it out to begin with.....so to you, i say..........GO THE FFFFF AWAY!!!!!!! :mad: :mad:
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some people just love to be offended.
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yknurd I hope you get your face smashed in for that BS post. You deserve it loser.
Keep your A-hole analytical opinion to yourself, this was not the first time someone posted about losing a loved one on this bbs, & it won't be the last. But nobody EVER showed the disrespect you did.
Interesting would be seeing the greiving family beat your sorry A-ZZ to a pulp. I would sure like too.
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Originally posted by jab116
yknurd I hope you get your face smashed in for that BS post. You deserve it loser.
Keep your A-hole analytical opinion to yourself, this was not the first time someone posted about losing a loved one on this bbs, & it won't be the last. But nobody EVER showed the disrespect you did.
Interesting would be seeing the greiving family beat your sorry A-ZZ to a pulp. I would sure like too.
Wow, see how simple it was to resolve? All you had to do was have a cool head and make physical threats against someone and not let this situation escalate even further. Well done:huh
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Sorry Yknurd, I can't imagine anyone posting what you did. Imagine the skies will be very lonley for you for quite a while. Until your opponents get a tally-ho on you. Then you may have more company than you want.
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Originally posted by CAP1
ok.....i read this at my lunch break today.........and untill now(1am my time), i couldn't even think straight if i thought about it. you sir, are the very first person in 20 years that i wish physical harm to.(thank the gods you weren't in the same room as me and saying something like that) why good people like tailspin, and this guys mom have to be taken, and *******'s like you left on earth is beyond me. you probably should simply leave the game if htc doesn't ban you for being such a cruel, cold, heartless bastage. if htc doesn't ban you, maybe we as a community can......all it takes is for no-one to talk with you ingame, and no-one to fight you...i know i personally wouldn't give you the time of day now.....and would cross the street to not have to be near you. i'm insulted that an asss like you even is allowed to breathe the same air as me.
you MIGHT wanna consider apologizing to the original poster......although it can't undo the damage you did, it can at least help.......all the poor guy needed was to vent a bit..............i lost my grandparents 15 years ago, and didn't.....i held it all in, cause i "couldn't" cry..or feel pain.....that's not what men do, right? well, i lost it one weekend, and it hurt worse than if i had let it out to begin with.....so to you, i say..........GO THE FFFFF AWAY!!!!!!! :mad: :mad:
CAP wow bro :O take a breather no need to post it.
yknurd I hope you get your face smashed in for that BS post. You deserve it loser.
same goes for you
Angry said it best for these two
All who got problem with Drunky's post, send PM or email to HTC and it we'll be dealt with better than this thread can hope for.
very well said.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
An interesting observation might be:
While being vilified, Drunky suffered the slings and arrow of the moral majority in silence. Whimsically, he silently chided each of them as none could accurately articulate why his post was improper or immoral.
Uncharacteristically, there was a message in his post that started all this turmoil, but alas, but the righteous, lemming horde were neither intrigued nor had the capacity to hear it.
The satire of those claiming moral outrage and threatening physical violence was not lost upon his intrepid soul.
Interesting indeed.
How do you explain to an imbecile what an imbecile is. I have pondered upon this thought but by the very virtue that they are indeed an imbecile, I am left to conclude that it's futile.
On a more compassionate note Yknurd. It's plain you have some issues to resolve. Issues that are clouding your judgment of "common courtesy". When, where and not to make a comment. These issues are plainly effecting you in your everyday life. Your interaction with others.
If by chance you're in the UK swallow your pride and pop along to your GP and get a referral. They won't be able to fix your past but they'll help you understand it and get over it.
If you live where it would actually be beyond your financial means to get "help" here's the bottom line. What ever your mothers problem with you was ......it's her problem not yours.... understand that and get over it. Life ahead of this point would be more productive and free of any self loathing. Oh... and put the drink away it's a d-e-p-r-e-s-s-a-n-t.....doh!
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I'm speachless also . On my iPhone in study hall right now.
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Originally posted by SgtPappy
First, maj, Condolences, I saluted on the actual thread.
Everyone who at first seems in violation is likely a victim as well, and YKnurd is clearly somehow not just an offender.
This is incredible for its humanity and because it is so rarely seen. My overiding feeling in this is sadness for YKnurd in a way which I hope is not demeening for him. My experience of people who are unloved by their parents is that they have problematic relationships which make their lives very hard. They are invariably victimised and chastised by the smug and ignorant who live within the narrow band of mainstreem "normal" experience. I think losing a love one is sad I think never having one is Tragic.
There is always some half wit who will quote anecdotal evidence of someone overcoming major obstacles in their life and then use that as a basis to judge everyone less fortunate than themself. I think you can pretty much guarantee that anyone who feels like pissing on their mothers grave has had and is probably still having a pretty dreadfull life and doesnt need a load of sanctamonious preachies on the case.
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Originally posted by jab116
yknurd I hope you get your face smashed in for that BS post. You deserve it loser.
Keep your A-hole analytical opinion to yourself, this was not the first time someone posted about losing a loved one on this bbs, & it won't be the last. But nobody EVER showed the disrespect you did.
Interesting would be seeing the greiving family beat your sorry A-ZZ to a pulp. I would sure like too.
This is a prime example of what would not be protected under free speech, as it threatening someone. But, this is exactly what these threads generate.
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Originally posted by SoonerMP
Better yet I would love to see you walking down the street so I could teach you a little respect first hand. Something your mother obviously couldnt do.
OUT,
Sooner
Are you auditioning for the Jerry Springer show?
There seem to be two types of people on AH. Those with judgement, intelect and understanding and another kind. If your not sure which kind you are just count how many times you post using expressions like Lame, Tard, Loser and A*****e and threaten people with physical violence. If you find you fit into this category I would advise you just stick to reading and dont post.
By the way in case anyone didnt get it Yknurd was in his first post expressing how different his experience of his mother was. I took it to mean you are lucky to have had such a great mom. If you are not sure that that is what it meant check which category you fit into again above.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
Perhaps you should explain why my post was offensive.
I reread what I posted and found nothing that insulted him or his mother.
I wish someone would explain this:( I ve read all of both threads again. I have the feeling that allot of people are going to have to think again about all this. You were subsequently patronised by the bereaved and I think you found this a bit offensive and were'nt too understanding but your initial comment was absolutely fair. The challenge is that some of these people are quite limited and live in very narrow little worlds. They find people who have feelings unlike theirs offensive even if they are not per se.
Originally posted by Yknurd
"An interesting observation might be:
While being vilified, Drunky suffered the slings and arrow of the moral majority in silence. Whimsically, he silently chided each of them as none could accurately articulate why his post was improper or immoral.
Uncharacteristically, there was a message in his post that started all this turmoil, but alas, but the righteous, lemming horde were neither intrigued nor had the capacity to hear it.
The satire of those claiming moral outrage and threatening physical violence was not lost upon his intrepid soul.
Interesting indeed".
And some of these red necks said you havent got class :rofl
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
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ack-ack
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Those disrespectful guys went on to become... nobodies.... :aok
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Originally posted by Widewing
You seem to think that freedom of speech means freedom to be cruel, heartless and vicious. It does not. In this country, freedom of speech means freedom of political speech and social expression. It's generally allowed wide interpretation, but there are limits when it strays away from political or social expression into personal attack as a deliberate effort to inflict suffering. If vile speech is protected, why do thousands get sued for libel and slander? Hate speech is not protected, it's often proscecuted.
There are both legal and social limits on speech. There are corresponding penalties that can be enacted.
People need to show some common sense and compassion. Whether or not this was the proper forum for expression of grief is irrelevant. If someone doesn't feel to offer condolences, they should, at the very least, say nothing.
My regards,
Widewing
This is the most senseable reply and advice IN this thread. Wtg WW you hit the nail on the head.
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Originally posted by LYNX
How do you explain to an imbecile what an imbecile is. I have pondered upon this thought but by the very virtue that they are indeed an imbecile, I am left to conclude that it's futile.
What about using my test. If enough people endorsed it the intellectually challenged could just take our wrd for it with the reccomendation that more education and exposure to cultural diversity might lift them into the other category. I think very few people are genuinely mentally impaired but suffer from self limiting beliefs and a poverty of experience.;)
For those unfamiliar with English culture this is known as "taking the piss":D
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Originally posted by zoozoo
I'm speachless also .
See there everyone, some good came out of all of this... :D
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Originally posted by Shuffler
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Those disrespectful guys went on to become... nobodies.... :aok
Yeah banned from athletics thereafter as sport isnt about politics. That is until the US boycotted the Moscow Olympics.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND:D
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"Those disrespectful guys went on to become... nobodies.... "
As do most Olympic athletes.
But they did become icons of a sort, and Olympic medal winners.
BTW: Has anyone noticed replys to this thread have eclipsed the one that spawned it? Does that mean we as a group are more inclined to jump at the opportunity to criticize than sympathize?
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Originally posted by Shuffler
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Those disrespectful guys went on to become... nobodies.... :aok
Disrespectful ? ... like Rosa Parks was ?
Nobodies ? ... I don't think so.
"The two American athletes received their medals shoeless, but wearing black socks, to represent black poverty. Smith wore a black scarf around his neck to represent black pride. Carlos wore beads which he described "were for those individuals that were lynched, or killed that no-one said a prayer for, that were hung and tarred. It was for those thrown off the side of the boats in the middle passage." All three athletes wore Olympic Project for Human Rights (OPHR) badges, after Norman expressed sympathy with their ideals."
"Smith and Carlos were largely ostracized by the U.S. sporting establishment in the following years and in addition were subject to criticism of their actions. A writer in the Los Angeles Times accused Smith and Carlos of a "Nazi-like salute." Time magazine showed the five-ring Olympic logo with the words, "Angrier, Nastier, Uglier", instead of "Faster, Higher, Stronger". Back home they were subject to abuse and they and their families received death threats.
Smith continued in athletics and in the promotion of equal rights. He went on to play American football with the Cincinnati Bengals, before becoming an assistant professor of Physical Education at Oberlin College. In 1995 he went on to help coach the U.S. team at the World Indoor Championships at Barcelona. In 1999 he was awarded a Sportsman of the Millennium award. He is now a public speaker.
Carlos' career followed a similar path to Smith. He initially continued in athletics, equaling the 100m world record the following year. Later he played American football with the Philadelphia Eagles before a knee injury prematurely ended his career. He fell upon hard times in the late 1970s and in 1977 his wife committed suicide. In 1985 he became a track and field coach at a school in Palm Springs, a post which he still holds.
San Jose State University honored former students Smith and Carlos with a twenty foot high statue of their protest in 2005. In January 2007, History San José opened a new exhibit called Speed City: From Civil Rights to Black Power, covering the San Jose State University athletic program "from which many student athletes became globally recognized figures as the Civil Rights and Black Power movements reshaped American society."
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Originally posted by Thruster
"Those disrespectful guys went on to become... nobodies.... "
As do most Olympic athletes.
But they did become icons of a sort, and Olympic medal winners.
BTW: Has anyone noticed replys to this thread have eclipsed the one that spawned it? Does that mean we as a group are more inclined to jump at the opportunity to criticize than sympathize?
I thought I was sympathising with Yknurd :( I do genuinely feel he has been misunderstood here by the ignorant and narrow minded among us. They start from an insecue position because they sense they are unresoursefull and when they see someone outside their limited context they instinctively gang up on what frightens them because they dont comprehend. They are looking for the worst in those who step out of the group. Yknurd told us something about himself which is overwhelming in its significance to him and they take that as an insult because it is neither within their exoperience or their limited code of behaviour. He expressed how he is but he is unacceptable. He has to deal with having a dreadfull mother it would appear and then be chastised by a load of smug halfwitts because he expresses how he feels about it.
Yes it is easier for the reasons stated. Infact it is essential.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Those disrespectful guys went on to become... nobodies
Illuminating. I didn't realize life was a competition to 'become someone'.
Or perhaps, it is only blacks who 'win' or succeed by 'become somebody'?
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Oh dear shuffler its not going very well today is it:(
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :cry :lol
Would anyone else like to step up to the plate;)
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Originally posted by Yarbles
I thought I was sympathising with Yknurd :( I do genuinely feel he has been misunderstood here by the ignorant and narrow minded among us. They start from an insecue position because they sense they are unresoursefull and when they see someone outside their limited context they instinctively gang up on what frightens them because they dont comprehend. They are looking for the worst in those who step out of the group. Yknurd told us something about himself which is overwhelming in its significance to him and they take that as an insult because it is neither within their exoperience or their limited code of behaviour. He expressed how he is but he is unacceptable. He has to deal with having a dreadfull mother it would appear and then be chastised by a load of smug halfwitts because he expresses how he feels about it.
Yes it is easier for the reasons stated. Infact it is essential.
I can appreciate that ykturd has problems (who don't)
But he expressed those problems in a forum that was all about Majissues'
Mom.
Not his.
Extremely inappropriate.
He also has had plenty of time to apologize.
And hasn't.
That says alot about him.
Your favorite smug halfwit,
Boner
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Originally posted by 1Boner
I can appreciate that ykturd has problems (who don't)
But he expressed those problems in a forum that was all about Majissues'
Mom.
Not his.
Extremely inappropriate.
He also has had plenty of time to apologize.
And hasn't.
That says alot about him.
Your favorite smug halfwit,
Boner
er
"By the way in case anyone didnt get it Yknurd was in his first post expressing how different his experience of his mother was. I took it to mean you are lucky to have had such a great mom. If you are not sure that that is what it meant check which category you fit into again above".
Thats my interpretation, he doesnt have to explain himself and he has already said he didnt mean to be offensive. He cant help being an inappropriate person. When people cant be themselves they get depressed. I think hes got enough problems.
Yes we all have problems but life isnt fair either and its doubly unfair when people villify the disadvantaged for being disadvantaged and often they dont even know they are doing it. They then come along with half assed advice because they think they are supperior because they come form a good family and so can start patronising people and telling others how to live.
Anyway "you cant saw sawdust" if you want to get it it is all there
;)
Oh i Better add for those who need credentials I love my mother very much and I will be devastated when she dies. If Yknerd said he would piss on his mothers grave and the thread was about my bereavement I would interpret it as above and sense that he was very bitter about his mother. I would not be disgusted but feel sympathetic and appreciate what I had had all the more.
I guess if you dont get it now you never will :(
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Yarbles, your take on this is absurd. Regardless of the problems yk has (and it is obvious he is one sick individual), he had no right hijacking the tribute thread the way he did.
I agree with Boner. It was entirely inappropriate and downright hateful. yk owes Majissues and the entire AH community an apology.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
You took my post out of context. My original post was innocuous and I was subsequently attacked.
Homeboy and Boner there is no intention to be hatefull. You will need to look up innocuous though Iam guessing. And I appologise for being rude to you but you are trying my patience.
You have to want to see it.
And what is this "one sick individual" do you just keep on marginalising people until youve got your own little gang of right thinking people. You need to leave home homeboy would be my patronising half assed advice if you asked for it. How do you like it?
No Iam going to explain it :cry
Innocuous means inoffensive meaning he was not trying to be offensive
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The title of this post is now very apt. This has eclipsed the death hoax threads.