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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lazs2 on January 23, 2008, 03:13:11 PM
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Looking at my new Henry "big boy" in 44 mag.. Just got it.
I needed another gun like I need another hole in my head but...
Damn thing is one of the prettiest rifles I have ever seen.... prettiest one I have ever owned in any case.
lazs
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Now that sounds like a great rifle. Whats the barrel length, overall length? I use to have a Marlin 45-70 and was one of my favourite rifles. Ideal for the thick native bush in NZ.
In a moment of stupidity one day I sold it... :cry
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by lazs2
Looking at my new Henry "big boy" in 44 mag.. Just got it.
I needed another gun like I need another hole in my head but...
Damn thing is one of the prettiest rifles I have ever seen.... prettiest one I have ever owned in any case.
lazs
Post a picture...
I don't believe it's pretty.
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(http://www.henryrepeating.com/images/rifles/h006_bigboy_lg.jpg)
for u lazie since you refuse :)
I dont have XP I have to right click the picture bring up properties and copy the http-------.jpg or .gif then com on fourm and hit {IMG} copy to that.
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Ohhh.....Very NICE!:aok
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Im thinking about getting one of those henry 22LR survival rifles (AR-7) to throw into the trunk of my subaru....just like having a flashlight and jumper cables.
Beautiful rifle lazs.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Im thinking about getting one of those henry 22LR survival rifles (AR-7) to throw into the trunk of my subaru....just like having a flashlight and jumper cables.
Beautiful rifle lazs.
Mate had one of those years ago, didn't realise they were still going.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Yeager
Im thinking about getting one of those henry 22LR survival rifles (AR-7) to throw into the trunk of my subaru....just like having a flashlight and jumper cables.
Beautiful rifle lazs.
Not sure if it's the same but I bought a 22LR Golden Boy like Lasz' rifle a couple of years ago. Love target shooting with it.
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Theyve been made by several different manufacturers over the years. Hnery Repeating Arms is currently making them. They go for as low as $180.
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Nope. Mine was $400 so it must be a different rifle then. Something about lever-action rifles that just feels soooooo right.
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Originally posted by Bingolong
(http://www.henryrepeating.com/images/rifles/h006_bigboy_lg.jpg)
for u lazie since you refuse :)
I dont have XP I have to right click the picture bring up properties and copy the http-------.jpg or .gif then com on fourm and hit {IMG} copy to that.
That is a nice gun, except for the pimped bling gold finish... Tell me you didn't go bling Lazs?
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Originally posted by Yeager
Im thinking about getting one of those henry 22LR survival rifles (AR-7) to throw into the trunk of my subaru....just like having a flashlight and jumper cables.
Beautiful rifle lazs.
They really suck, I'd rather have a cheap 22 pistol or just about anything.
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(http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/henry_goldenboy.jpg)
Top one is the one I have.
I was all set to get the .44 Mag like Lazs has but the car accident changed all of that. Still is on my wish list.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
That is a nice gun, except for the pimped bling gold finish... Tell me you didn't go bling Lazs?
:huh ya never heard of brass?
brass was, at one time, a common metal to use in production of some firearms.
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They really suck, I'd rather have a cheap 22 pistol or just about anything.
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Apparently Henry has made some design tweaks that have the feed problem fixed. Of course they aren't very accurate but Im just looking for something to toss in the trunk that has more on the ball than a 2 inch barrel and can be built up quickly. The thing stows up tight and that appeals to me.
Im still just thinking about it.
Do you have some experience with one? thoughts about anything specific?
Oooh...Henry makes a lever action in 17 HMR! You guys hear anything about that round? I like the looks of it. A hyper velocity pellet has applications!
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One of my favorite rifles is my Rossi 92 SRS Trapper style carbine in .357 magnum. It's a direct copy of the Winchester 1892, but with a 16" barrel. About 5.5 lb loaded. Winchester 92s have the slickest lever action design of the lot, lightning quick and solid lock-up. I had a firing pin break, replaced it with one made for the Winchester. It fit without any rework. Add some hot hand loads and you have great ballistics over 50 yards (just over 2,100 fps at the muzzle with 125 gr JHP).
I wouldn't mind one of the those Brass framed Henrys in 44 mag though... Mighty nice looking rifle. Have fun with it Lazs.
My regards,
Widewing
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Doesn't look like a Henry to me...
Looks like a 1866 yellowboy....
Good rifle yes, but not a Henry....
I have a Henry rifle...
and matching Colts...
So I know the diff...
TH
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Originally posted by Yeager
They really suck, I'd rather have a cheap 22 pistol or just about anything.
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Apparently Henry has made some design tweaks that have the feed problem fixed. Of course they aren't very accurate but Im just looking for something to toss in the trunk that has more on the ball than a 2 inch barrel and can be built up quickly. The thing stows up tight and that appeals to me.
Im still just thinking about it.
Do you have some experience with one? thoughts about anything specific?
Oooh...Henry makes a lever action in 17 HMR! You guys hear anything about that round? I like the looks of it. A hyper velocity pellet has applications!
A friend in high school had one. He told me that it was terribly inaccurate, jambed often and would fire when dropped. It also didn't look terribly sturdy and it's pretty bulky for a 22.
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Originally posted by DieAz
:huh ya never heard of brass?
brass was, at one time, a common metal to use in production of some firearms.
Good point.
I'll wait till I get a few of my teeth capped with gold before I pick one up though...
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What are these rifles for, hunting?
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
What are these rifles for, hunting?
Among other things.
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Originally posted by TomHorn
Doesn't look like a Henry to me...
Looks like a 1866 yellowboy....
Good rifle yes, but not a Henry....
I have a Henry rifle...
and matching Colts...
So I know the diff...
TH
You are confusing the old Henry with the current Henry Repeating Arms Co....
Viist their website. (http://www.henryrepeating.com/h006_bigboy.cfm)
My regards,
Widewing
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Good info, thanks Eskimo.
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Thread useless without pictures.
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Widewing,
Yes I'm familiar with HRAC...
So, I suppose that all their rifles are "Henry's"....
But that (rifle in photo) is not built to the "Henry" pattern....
1866 yellowboy, yes....
Both pattern rifles are available from numerous companies....
Its a minor point I suppose, but true never the less....
TH
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How about getting someone to snap a few of you shooting the new Henry and posting them here lazs? Let's see some of that expert marksmanship.
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Originally posted by TomHorn
Doesn't look like a Henry to me...
Looks like a 1866 yellowboy....
Good rifle yes, but not a Henry....
I have a Henry rifle...
and matching Colts...
So I know the diff...
TH
I agree the real henrys had no forward stock
(http://www.hackman-adams.com/guns/1860_henry_rifle.jpg)
but they did have Bling
There is probable some stupid law that dosnt allow it any more
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Originally posted by Bingolong
but they did have Bling
There is probable some stupid law that dosnt allow it any more
yes, there is a law that says steel is stronger than brass.
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Originally posted by john9001
yes, there is a law that says steel is stronger than brass.
"He did not care any more... life and death... the same. Only that the crowd would be there to greet him with howls of lust and fury. He began to realize his sense of worth... he mattered. In time, his victories could not easily be counted... he was taken to the east, a great prize, where the war masters would teach him the deepest secrets. Language and writing were also made available, the poetry of Khitai, the philosophy of Sung; and he also came to know the pleasures of women, when he was bred to the finest stock. But, always, there remained the discipline of steel."
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Originally posted by john9001
yes, there is a law that says steel is stronger than brass.
Dammit! I knew I ordered the wrong testicles!
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Originally posted by AKIron
"He did not care any more... life and death... the same. Only that the crowd would be there to greet him with howls of lust and fury. He began to realize his sense of worth... he mattered. In time, his victories could not easily be counted... he was taken to the east, a great prize, where the war masters would teach him the deepest secrets. Language and writing were also made available, the poetry of Khitai, the philosophy of Sung; and he also came to know the pleasures of women, when he was bred to the finest stock. But, always, there remained the discipline of steel."
Awesome. Just watched that movie this past weekend!
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Awesome. Just watched that movie this past weekend!
:aok
Wonder if it's available on Blu-ray? (where'd i put that google)
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Originally posted by john9001
yes, there is a law that says steel is stronger than brass.
the forward stock?
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Originally posted by AKIron
:aok
Wonder if it's available on Blu-ray? (where'd i put that google)
I don't do Sony products. Ironically, it was on one of the HD movie channels when I watched it.
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Yes
The forearm is the most noticeable alteration to the yellowboy.
Because the Henry has the slot on the bottom of magtube, no forearm could be fitted...
Some Henry's were altered by gunsmiths in the field, kings patent loading gate, and wood forearm...
Yellowboy also had a stronger brass frame, and small improvements to the internal action... All to make the action strong enough to fire 44/40 rimfire.
And side loading of course...
The sweet 73, had the Iron (steel) frame, and Centerfire ammo...
No other type of rifle has ever had such a natural feel...
They mount to your shoulder easily, and seem to point right where
needed, like magik....
I just prefer the original design... so clean!!!!
TH
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I have a sony dream somethingorother sytem somewhere in my garage I wasted over 400 bucks on that lasted about a year before the dvd player started hanging up so I have no warm feelings towards sony but I do like the Blu-ray player in my PS3. Some people (like me) just nevar learn.
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OK, here is a real pic of a Henry Big Boy Deluxe Edition.
I would say that the gun qualifies as being pretty.
SIG 220
(http://www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT2006/Day1/DSC07846.jpg)
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Originally posted by Bingolong
I agree the real henrys had no forward stock
(http://www.hackman-adams.com/guns/1860_henry_rifle.jpg)
but they did have Bling
There is probable some stupid law that dosnt allow it any more
No, you can buy guns that are accurate copies of the original Henry rifle. As many here have pointed out, the Henry Big Boy is really not at all a true reproduction of the original Henry Model. I'm really disappointed that the SASS even allows them in shooting competitions, because of that fact. Only guns designed before 1900 are normally allowed by the SASS at their shoots.
Here below is an accurate Henry reproduction from Cimarron Firearms:
(http://www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT2003_Day3/DSC05759.jpg)
SIG 220
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
What are these rifles for, hunting?
Few people would take this type of rifle hunting.
This type of rifle is popular in the American sport of Cowboy Action Shooting. This is a sport where people dress up like cowboys and get to show off their skill in shooting Cowboy era guns at targets.
(http://www.cowboygunworks.com/images/2007/amy+rifle.jpg)
(http://www.shootingbums.org/wmr/images/pemi/Pemi_June03/DeadHead_rifle.jpg)
Here is a photo of a very well armed Cowboy shooting in a match:
(http://www.shootingbums.org/hvr/images/SASSchamps/DeadHead_riflecloseup.jpg)
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"It's a nice gun, I'll give you that. But the engraving gives you no tactical advantage whatsoever. Unless you were planning to auction it off as a collector's item. And you're forgetting one more very basic thing...you don't have what it takes to kill me."
And SIG...apologies if that's someone dear to you, but god, she looks like a deer in the headlights and a one of those robot-maids with gun nipples shoved into one...it's...scary...
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Bet that barrel got hot mighty fast on the Henry. Were there any tricks the shooter's used to deal with that? I'd probably carry along a potholder or rag or something. Sure seems a forestock could have been designed with a groove to accommodate the magtube components. Then again it looks neat without a forestock. Was it chambered for 44-40? How does that compare to today's .44 magnum?
I like the looks of the unengraved Henrys. Some styles of engraving look better on a less shiney surface imo, i.e. the shinier the surface, the less detail can be distinguished by our eyes. A matter of preferences I suppose.
I don't know how brass patinas, but it would look nice for the brass to patina brown. I don't have the guts to monkey around with a nice rifle, but there are books describing how to patina brass, and the chemicals used (which may be corrosive and require gloves when handling.)
Might could even call Henry Repeating Arms and find out how to do it if that's what you wanted. Brass may patina to brown naturally. Fingerprints would probably be a nuisance during the process. Do the Henry receivers eventually patina to brown? They may look a little like bling at first, but there may be a reason for that.
That's a very nice rifle Lazs. Hope you're not gonna "baby" it. Nothing worse than babying a rifle. You could deer hunt with that rifle. A little Kiwi clear shoe polish rubbed on the stock will protect it from moisture (if it rains.) I think anything more than 700 ft/lbs striking force at impact is adequate for deer. I'd use the iron sights and not bother with a scope on that rifle. I wonder what the 25 yard target grouping would be with open sights?
Les
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Originally posted by SIG220
Few people would take this type of rifle hunting.
<----------One of the few.
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Original Henry rifles, the 17 shooters, fired 44 Henry rimfire. (black powder)
Powerfull enough to kill men, but nothing to jump up and down over...
Original Yellowboys fired 44/40 rimfire. (black powder)
More powerful cartridge, but developed from the original.
Started showing its true potential...
The 73, fired 44/40 centerfire. (black powder)
Also 45colt because many ppl demanded it fire the same ammo as their
Colt SA Army revolver.... But Colt made the pistol in 44/40 WCF too...
Modern repops like mine, fire modern smokeless ammo...
45colt for me....
LOL, yes it will kill deer easily!!!!
Roll engraving doesn't add any significant value to the rifle...
Unless you are $$$ stupid....
Real hand engraving, can put a rifle out of financial reach very quickly...
Wall hangers!!!! Kinda like Hangar queens!!!
TH
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Originally posted by OOZ662
"It's a nice gun, I'll give you that. But the engraving gives you no tactical advantage whatsoever. Unless you were planning to auction it off as a collector's item. And you're forgetting one more very basic thing...you don't have what it takes to kill me."
And SIG...apologies if that's someone dear to you, but god, she looks like a deer in the headlights and a one of those robot-maids with gun nipples shoved into one...it's...scary...
Those photos were from the SHOTSHOW, which is the annual trade convention for the gun industry in the USA.
The gal holding the Cimarron Arms rifle was just a trade show bimbo that they hired to work the convention.
Gunblast.com is an excellent resource for gun news and gun reviews.
SIG 220
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what horn??? winchester never made a 45 colt chambered lever action... How can you even be seen with such a phony?
Point is.. the Henry co is a modern company that bought the original name. contrary to what the expert horn says.. the modern big boy has nothing at all to do with a 1866 winchester.. it is a solid frame gun that has an action that is more like a marlin 336 than anything. Solid frame... side ejection.
akiron.. I am not a good shot with a rifle..
All lever guns are fragile and complex. They are very suceptible to anything getting into the action and making them useless.. they are not particularly accurate or strong (although the one piece frames with side ejection like the big boy are the stoutest)
The original Henry shot a very weak 44 rimfire... the "yellowboy" winchester had a weak lockup.. No winchester was chambered for the 44-40 till about 1878 and no winchester was ever chambered for a 45 colt. The original henry did not have a forearm because it couldn't.. the follower in the mag tube (a buttonhead) moved backward to chamber a new round.. even a badly placed hand would jam everything up.
The gun is "carbine" length octogon barrel and weighs more than other lever guns or copies of the era.
I have thousands of 44 mag rounds and reload for it so it seemed a natural.
A worn out '92 winchester is slick but.. nothing is as slick as the action on a Henry. Go to a gun store and try one.
lazs
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So... when shooting guns of that era... is it a requirement that you dress ridiculously too? That chick could be cute but she's wearing something that looks like its from a bad stephen segall movie.
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Problems so far... The follower is not long enough to feed my favorite lead bullet load of 250 cl keith.. It needs a fairly short overall length round to work. some 300 grain bullets with shorter overall length work.. the 250 one is the longest 44 mag I have ever seen.
The hammer does not always engage the sear and it locks up the action till you do the hammer with a thumbnail.. this seems to be wearing in but.. it just doesn't seem that the bolt moves the hammer enough to me.
I have had lever guns in the past and always got rid of em.. they always lacked either smoothness or accuracy compared to their bolt or even semi auto counterparts.. they also are very complex and hard to take down and put back together with lots of little parts.. mostly they don't really get cleaned very well.
good things so far..
the gun is more accurate than my brothers marlin 44 or my buddies winchester 44 which was crap...
I bought this gun not for looks but because it was the smoothest and most accurate out there. so far.. that seems to be true.
The weight is a help.. a 44 mag from a carbine with solid buttplate is hard on the shoulder.. little worse than a 30-30 the Henry is more pleasant to shoot than the marlin.
lazs
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I don't do cowboy action shooting.. or any competition for that matter but gun owners owe a great debt to the sport.
It is bringing more people into the shooting world.. more women and families than any other.. it gives a good impression of firearms on newbies and it is a lot of fun for the families that participate.
The more people who actually pick up a gun and learn to shoot it... the less people who believe the gun control nuts silly hysteria.
lazs
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Well, mine chambered in 45, is no more fake than yours in 44mag... LOL!!!
I already made the point about the name, "Henry"...
I guess that because the company, owns the name....
All their guns are "Henrys"... If they built M11/9's they'd
still be "Henrys" Hmmmmm?
But that dont make it so!!!
Take it easy man!!!
I'm not cuttin up on your rifle bud....
I like it.... Said so earlier....
You better double check about 44/40 rimfire & centerfire tho...
You are right about 45 Colt in the old days, Colt made 44/40 SA's
Not the other way around....
Don't need to try one, already have a HENRY replica
chambered for modern 45colt... Among many others!!!
I guess I was taking a stab at the company using the Name...
I hate that kind of marketing stuff!!!!
TH
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so what do you call your fake winchesters? What do you call your fake henry?
the company bought the name fair and square.
There are no "44-40 rimfires" the yellowboy was chambered for the same weak 44 henry rimfire.
There was no rifle chambered for 45 colt until the fakes showed up.. just like my Henry is a new rifle built by people who bought the name.
You started out saying you had real henry's and real colt single actions so you "knew the difference" I would say that you do not have either but that you have modern replicas that are not faithful to the originals in every way.
I wanted a carbine in 44 mag.. I wanted quality and strength and accuracy. I have not been pleased with 44 mag lever guns of the last few decades.
I may not like this one and it may end up being sold.
So far I like it... I am not pretending that it is an 1860's Henry rimfire.
lazs
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Hmmm, It's a fake??? I suppose so....
But if ya take it apart, the parts sure look darn close to the same....
except for the bolt, w center firing pin....
Superior materials, allowing it to fire a modern cartridge, yep!!!
But the rifle follows the original Henry pattern...
Hence, "Henry rifle"....
The action was sticky on mine too....
Until I packed the action with fine valve lapping paste....
Cycled the action about 100 times... Perfecto!!!
I've had it a few years now, I've taken a buck every year...
And a bunch of Coyotes as well.... They shouldn't have
been sniffin around the horse barn...
Shoots good, after a slight tweak of the sights....
LOL you better check again on 44/40 rimfire....
My SA's are genuine Colts, only diff from the oldies is the
hammer block safety... And fire modern ammo....
Rifle and pistols are close enough to the oldies for me...
I've handled originals at our local gun club.. Except for the state of
aging, ya cant tell the diff...
SASS comes around every year, western style shooting is a blast...
Lots of fun, you should try it!!!
TH
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very nice gun, Lazs. Still thinking about one for my dad... He's made some noises about wanting a lever gun, mainly because he'd like to have a rifle that shares ammo with his revolver(s). He's got a couple 38 specials and a .357 mag, anyone have any experience with using .38's in a .357mag? Would the .357 Henry work for this or would it be a waste?
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The 357/38 works sweetly in lever guns...
He'll love it, if he likes western stuff..
My son has a Rossi lever gun in 357...
I gave it to him for his 21st birthday...
It fires 38 with no prob... cheaper shootin!!!
He loves it!!!
TH
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No big deal horn.. it's just that you said you had a real henry... you don't.. of the two of us.. I think I am the only one who has a real henry.
the 44-40 was a centerfire. It was, and is a crappy thin necked bottlenecked cartridge.
the 44 rimfire was a 44 200 grain slug powered by 26 or 28 grains of black powder.. the 44 WCF, or.. as it was later called the 44-40 was a 200 grain slug with a 40 grain slug.
You are right tho.. modern guns have better materials and can take higher pressures.. Mine is a 44 magnum which is light years from a 44-40
I really don't care but... a replica is a replica.
I like my guns made in the USA... if I can.. the Henry and Kimber are all US made.
I didn't buy the gun to play cowboy or to try to fake anyone out.
The action was not sticky in the least.. it was glass smooth from the box. I may have to send it back if the problem with the hammer not catching in the sear comes back. I think they just got a little too light on the trigger. Too narrow a notch.. there is no creep and the pull is about 2 1/2 lbs which is the lightest I have seen on modern guns out of the box.
lazs
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bsd.. yep.. 38/357 is a great lever gun round. It will reach right out there from a carbine and shoots as flat as the 44 but with less energy.
I chose the 44 tho because I have so much 44 mag stuff. And.. 44 mag brass is the toughest there is. 44-40 brass is trash as is most 45 colt stuff.. too thin.. not enough reload life in it for me.
38's are weak brass too but who cares? It is easy and cheap to come by. I also like brass instead of plated cases.
lazs
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Your right, a replica is a replica...
But when I draw it from the scabbard,
People KNOW what it is... I don't have to say its a Henry, because it has the name on it... Its Obvious!!!
I have a wooden crate full of antique cartridges, I know there are a few of those 44 rimfires in there... Along with a boatload of the oddball antique blackpowder cartridges... I collected them for years, to build a cartridge board.. Never got around to finishing it... I'll dig around in it, see if I can find one...
Yep that seems a very light pull for a brand new rifle... Suprised it made it out of the factory that way... I wouldn't mind a pull that light, if I had stoned it myself... But thats pushin it!!! Getting to the point of dangerous.
45colt vs 44mag, is another old debate, LOL....
I like both myself, 44mag shoots flatter, but 45 throws a whopper slug...
If you can hit your target, both will get the job done, no sweat!!!
TH
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tom... 44 rimfire is not 44-40 All 44-40's are centerfire. The most likely rimfire you have is the 44 henry. There were some foreign 44 rimfires.
"take it out of the scabbard"? I don't have a scabbard. I don't have to explain anything.. I say "Henry big boy in 44" and everyone knows just what it is.
Just like I am not trying to fool people that my Kimber is a 1911 colt.. I say "Kimber" and they know what it is.
As for the 44 mag 45 colt thing.. they both shoot the same weight bullet for the most part.. the problem I have with the colt is the crap brass.. it is thin and it is huge.. light loads rattle around and the brass splits. I have thousands of 44 cases.. I would hate to tell you how many times I have loaded some of em.
Like I said... we shooters and gun owners owe a great debt to the cowboy action shooters for getting so many new people and families interested in guns but... I didn't know they were so snooooty that I can't shoot my Henry around em.
lazs
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is replica a bad word? I guess if your a antique firearms collector it is.
If the replica is high quality and continues a beautiful and important lineage of history and engineering then a replica is a most critical and important thing.
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My replica is less fake than your replica.
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Originally posted by lazs2
bsd.. yep.. 38/357 is a great lever gun round. It will reach right out there from a carbine and shoots as flat as the 44 but with less energy.
I chose the 44 tho because I have so much 44 mag stuff. And.. 44 mag brass is the toughest there is. 44-40 brass is trash as is most 45 colt stuff.. too thin.. not enough reload life in it for me.
38's are weak brass too but who cares? It is easy and cheap to come by. I also like brass instead of plated cases.
lazs
I can load my .45 colt Vaquero to outperform, or perform closely, any .44 mag and quality .45 brass will last as long as any .44 mag brass as long as you buy quality brass. Somehow this myth has persisted since the days of balloonhead brass and weak walled .45 handguns. Dick Casull, and others, himself used the .45 colt to push the performance envelope.
Quality .45 colt brass is not "weak". I load .45 colt, .44 mag, .454 casull, and when pushing all 3 to their max I get similiar case lives.
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My experience has not been like yours.. the 45 brass I have is not even close to the old balloon head stuff from the turn of the century but it is several decades old. The cases just seem to split more than 44 mag cases. It sure looks like the 454 brass is a lot tougher.
The most noticeable thing is to use a carbide die to size the brass.. it is a real noticeable difference between 44 mag brass and say 45 colt or 45 acp.. the latter two are very easy to resize.. almost like they are lubed.
I also like the way powder charges fill out the 44 case compared to 45 and I like the extra meat a 44 bore gives to a cylinder compared to a 45 colt but...
got to admit... the main draw is all the 44 stuff I have already. When I started with the 44 mag.. guys were blowing up 45 revolvers trying to load em up.. even rugers old flattop blackhawk. also.. 44's always seemed to have an accuracy edge with full power loads.
lazs
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Originally posted by indy007
So... when shooting guns of that era... is it a requirement that you dress ridiculously too? That chick could be cute but she's wearing something that looks like its from a bad stephen segall movie.
Actually I believe that is a replica of the jacket worn by Annie Oakley, the famous markswomen of Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by Yeager
is replica a bad word? I guess if your a antique firearms collector it is.
If the replica is high quality and continues a beautiful and important lineage of history and engineering then a replica is a most critical and important thing.
Some people do indeed collect the real thing. Such antiques are many times in rather poor condition, though. And they also tend to be quite expensive. So most Cowboy action shooters shoot replicas, and not actual antiques.
I only own one Cowboy action type gun myself, and it is actually the real thing, an actual antique. Replicas of the Winchester Model 1897 pump shotgun are made in both China and Brazil. And these are what most of the Cowboy action shooters who prefer to use this model shotgun actually shoot. These replicas are not expensive, and sell for only around $350
I had tremendous luck, though, in finding a true Winchester Model 1897 from an estate sale of a man who owned a lot of nice guns. It was in great shape, too, which just normal wearing from being shot some. Not a bit of rust anywhere. And I managed to get it for only $750
I would shoot myself before owning a "Winchester" shotgun made in China.
SIG 220