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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: sullie363 on January 23, 2008, 05:47:05 PM
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We've all witnessed it, a well known player crying like a child about how they were killed by some "noob twit" or "spit dweeb." What soon follows is a challenge to go to the DA to show who is really "better." What I'm wondering is do the two even relate. In the MA you have a total free for all where anything can and does happen while the DA is this nice controlled environment where duelers go at it in the same plane and altitude 1v1. Even if the person crying dweeb wins, what have they proven? The reason they most likely got killed in the MA in the first place is because they put themselves in the position to get killed, whether it be flying into an obvious 3v1 or setting themselves up to get bounced. I'm not saying good 1v1 ACM isn't something useful, of course it can frequently nab kills. I guess what I'm trying to get at is does going to the DA really resolve an MA issue where the whole point is almost to fight as unfair as possible. I mean at the end of the day what matters, your ability to win in the DA or the common sense to win in the MA. Keep in mind I don't take any of this very serious, just making an observation of the way others act.
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Its just to pad their ego's
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When someone challenges someone to the DA over a main arena event (which by it's very nature is about the maturity level of a schoolyard hair-pulling fight) why would you think that there is even a possibility that it would actually resolve anything in the first place?
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I agree sullie. I can beat some guys in DA, but theyre much much better than i in MA. Reason i ask someone to the DA i hope i learn something from that guy, BUT im newbie so...:aok
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Yeah the only reason those people start in with wanting to go fight in the DA after getting killed in the MA isn't to learn or anything, it's basically them wanting to make sure that other person knows it was a fluke and their better then them, it's all about their ego's.
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It's all about picking a fight they can win, in an attempt to save face after saying or doing something stupid, or just simply getting shot down. It's a game- why some can't just shut up and die quietly like everyone else (rather, like everyone else usually does), I'll never understand.
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The flipcoin is that any of those good players could fly the best planes in the most unfair way possible, and then what would you have? You think the game is discouraging and lacking in ACM now? Wait till there's nothing left to "fights" but one snapshot before anyone below good/very good goes right back to the tower.
Those good players just want what they deserve.. A win or at least a good fight before being blown to bits, not some clueless dolt taking a shot when the whole freakin point to the game is taking place for just 30sec-3min at the most. That's all it takes.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
It's all about picking a fight they can win, in an attempt to save face after saying or doing something stupid, or just simply getting shot down. It's a game- why some can't just shut up and die quietly like everyone else (rather, like everyone else usually does), I'll never understand.
lol die quitely with a big at the end.
da can be fun and you can learn some stuff there but ma is a completely different game. i go in there to practice sa and thats about it.
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There's going to the DA and being challenged to the DA. Two different things and two different reasons for going.
Going there of your own volition is to learn something. On the whole that's just what you'll do. Stuff that will without doubt come in very handy in the MA. You won't learn any SA with a 1v1 duel which is vital in the MA so pop along to the TA or just stick with it in the MA. Going to the DA to learn is the only reason to go.
Being challenged to DA is a totally different matter. You probably won't learn anything about maneuvers because your to angry and to eager to teach the guy a lesson. Your ego will be assuaged or crushed depending on the outcome. It's just bruised ego's. School yard stuff.
I've been challenged to the DA countless times and been there about 8 times in the 6 years I've been here. What did it prove? ....absolutely nothing. Did these guys learn their lesson ?..... not by a long shot. What did I learn from my challenged DA experiences? I learnt I was stupid enough to spend even more time with a complete and utter tw@. Even after you clean their clocks they still act and behave like a complete and utter tw@. You ain't ever going to change them by winning a duel. They'll just be mouthy tw@'s to some other guy.
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You went there with the wrong guys.
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Originally posted by sullie363
The reason they most likely got killed in the MA in the first place is because they put themselves in the position to get killed, whether it be flying into an obvious 3v1 or setting themselves up to get bounced.
I'm not saying good 1v1 ACM isn't something useful, of course it can frequently nab kills.
common sense to win in the MA.
First, the "reason" one would fly into an obvious 1 vs 3 is simple.....it's impossible to get you balless bastiges to fight unless you have at least a 3 to 1 advantage.
Second, your view of acm is completely out of touch with what this game is actually based upon..............."something useful"???? Hell, it is everything!
Third, "common sense" as you put it, is the reason the MA is full of HOing, running, fight avoiding panzies! People who enjoy the game for what it was created for feel no "win" or accomplishment in flying 1/4 sector in an all green darbar to jump the one red fella fighting 5 greens already!
:aok
:t
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Originally posted by LYNX
There's going to the DA and being challenged to the DA. Two different things and two different reasons for going.
Going there of your own volition is to learn something. On the whole that's just what you'll do. Stuff that will without doubt come in very handy in the MA. You won't learn any SA with a 1v1 duel which is vital in the MA so pop along to the TA or just stick with it in the MA. Going to the DA to learn is the only reason to go.
Being challenged to DA is a totally different matter. You probably won't learn anything about maneuvers because your to angry and to eager to teach the guy a lesson. Your ego will be assuaged or crushed depending on the outcome. It's just bruised ego's. School yard stuff.
I've been challenged to the DA countless times and been there about 8 times in the 6 years I've been here. What did it prove? ....absolutely nothing. Did these guys learn their lesson ?..... not by a long shot. What did I learn from my challenged DA experiences? I learnt I was stupid enough to spend even more time with a complete and utter tw@. Even after you clean their clocks they still act and behave like a complete and utter tw@. You ain't ever going to change them by winning a duel. They'll just be mouthy tw@'s to some other guy.
Actually, I went into the DA last week with Badcell. He was feeling frisky and probably expected me to be pissed at him. I wasn't and told him some of the things he was doing wrong. I believe he was both shocked and thankful.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
First, the "reason" one would fly into an obvious 1 vs 3 is simple.....it's impossible to get you balless bastiges to fight unless you have at least a 3 to 1 advantage.
Second, your view of acm is completely out of touch with what this game is actually based upon..............."something useful"???? Hell, it is everything!
Third, "common sense" as you put it, is the reason the MA is full of HOing, running, fight avoiding panzies! People who enjoy the game for what it was created for feel no "win" or accomplishment in flying 1/4 sector in an all green darbar to jump the one red fella fighting 5 greens already!
Thanks I'll make sure to file that.
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Anytime I end up going 1v1 we come out of it on better terms win or lose, people treat each other better 1v1 I've found. Although challenging someone 1v1 is a bit childish even tho I've done it myself think its blind rage at the time that prompts it lol
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I mean at the end of the day what matters, your ability to win in the DA or the common sense to win in the MA
Neither.
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Oh great skyrock,
You always attack the person, I'm sure it would be out of the realm of possibility,or your ego, or your "online persona" to actually help someone.
When I first started I didn't know what a ho was much less that is its frowned upon in the game. It would have been much more helpful for some one to let me know one better way to merge and maybe an acm or two. The other day one of the top players hoed me and told me it was my fault because I did a lazy Merge. Again no help. I even ask " how can I merge better". NO reply the guy just logged. You better pilots out their take it personal because you assume that we do it on purpose all the time. Not that we could use some help to learn some acm and merges.
The more your rant the more you get the same, because you don't help. If you want some better fights. Try helping.
I'm sure you want to tell me to go to the TA..... Thats where you learn at.
Well you will just have to fly against noob idiots like me.
Oh one more thing some guys couldn't explain what they do or how they do it anyway, they just fly by the seat of thier pants and throw in some fancy terminoloy.
I would be happy to learn from you anytime.
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Originally posted by Sonicblu
Oh great skyrock,
You always attack the person, I'm sure it would be out of the realm of possibility,or your ego, or your "online persona" to actually help someone.
When I first started I didn't know what a ho was much less that is its frowned upon in the game. It would have been much more helpful for some one to let me know one better way to merge and maybe an acm or two. The other day one of the top players hoed me and told me it was my fault because I did a lazy Merge. Again no help. I even ask " how can I merge better". NO reply the guy just logged. You better pilots out their take it personal because you assume that we do it on purpose all the time. Not that we could use some help to learn some acm and merges.
The more your rant the more you get the same, because you don't help. If you want some better fights. Try helping.
I'm sure you want to tell me to go to the TA..... Thats where you learn at.
Well you will just have to fly against noob idiots like me.
Oh one more thing some guys couldn't explain what they do or how they do it anyway, they just fly by the seat of thier pants and throw in some fancy terminoloy.
I would be happy to learn from you anytime.
I've seen Skyrock help many players.. Have you asked him to help you? I doubt it.. Odds are though if you did, he would make time for you at some point.. Probably not at that moment in time, but he would attempt to meet with you..
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The MA is what each and every player makes of it, in his or her own fashion. Don't let anyone tell you what or how you should do things in the MA. Develop the style that works for you, in order to get the most from the game. Ask for help if needed, at any given time there's usually "someone" in the MA ready and willing to help.
The DA is a glorified training/ego padding arena that proves nothing.
Tumor
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Originally posted by Sonicblu
Oh great skyrock,
You always attack the person, I'm sure it would be out of the realm of possibility,or your ego, or your "online persona" to actually help someone.
When I first started I didn't know what a ho was much less that is its frowned upon in the game. It would have been much more helpful for some one to let me know one better way to merge and maybe an acm or two. The other day one of the top players hoed me and told me it was my fault because I did a lazy Merge. Again no help. I even ask " how can I merge better". NO reply the guy just logged. You better pilots out their take it personal because you assume that we do it on purpose all the time. Not that we could use some help to learn some acm and merges.
The more your rant the more you get the same, because you don't help. If you want some better fights. Try helping.
I'm sure you want to tell me to go to the TA..... That's where you learn at.
Well you will just have to fly against noob idiots like me.
Oh one more thing some guys couldn't explain what they do or how they do it anyway, they just fly by the seat of their pants and throw in some fancy terminology.
I would be happy to learn from you anytime.
maybe you should look into joining a squad or go to the TA the AH training staff know their stuff , there are lots of places to find help with "your game"
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I would be annoying as hell in the DA..
I dont fight "fair" in the MA, i find the idea of doing so silly actually, especially when in the jug.. if im not above your, or going faster than you.. im not fighting you.. yet...
good thing i never go to the DA, I would be hated.
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sonicblu...have you ever went to DA with Skyrock?
Sounds like you havent. I have more than enough come out of DA with and thank him for the help, and openly admit they were not expecting that, but rather what you think.
btw...the DA is what you make of it as well. If you feel it is a "manhood" thing...then just maybe the "problem" is with you?
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I don't think it's an ego thing at all... and even if it is for some people, who cares?
The only time I've ever challenged people to DA was after I had killed them, and they start calling me names on 200.
I love the DA. There's nothing better in this game than a fair 1v1 fight. The DA is the only place where you're gauranteed that.
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I got challenged to the DA tonight for the first time:D It was my fault though. Dextur was perching in a 190 so I mouthed off enough until he asked me. I figured he should be able to beat me but wanted to see how good he really was in turn fighting since everytime he shot me down it was from a 190 or P51 B&Z . Thinking on it now I guess I should have just asked nicely. My Bad and I did apologize.
Seems like this is the reason for a lot of DA challenges. People get vulched, ran from until other greenies can help, shot from a perch, so on and so on. So, for me anyway, I just want to see if they could actually kill me without all the advantages.
But then after loosing 4 of 4 in the DA I am even more confused about why people with skill perch, vulch, run to greenies etc...:confused: Guess I should try the B&Z thing and see if it's funner then turn fighting.
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Originally posted by Sonicblu
Oh great skyrock,
You always attack the person, I'm sure it would be out of the realm of possibility,or your ego, or your "online persona" to actually help someone.
When I first started I didn't know what a ho was much less that is its frowned upon in the game. It would have been much more helpful for some one to let me know one better way to merge and maybe an acm or two. The other day one of the top players hoed me and told me it was my fault because I did a lazy Merge. Again no help. I even ask " how can I merge better". NO reply the guy just logged. You better pilots out their take it personal because you assume that we do it on purpose all the time. Not that we could use some help to learn some acm and merges.
The more your rant the more you get the same, because you don't help. If you want some better fights. Try helping.
I'm sure you want to tell me to go to the TA..... Thats where you learn at.
Well you will just have to fly against noob idiots like me.
Oh one more thing some guys couldn't explain what they do or how they do it anyway, they just fly by the seat of thier pants and throw in some fancy terminoloy.
I would be happy to learn from you anytime.
I would definitely suggest TA with widewing because of the relaxed atmosphere he brings when he teaches,. If you would like my instruction, then by all means I will be willing to help you so long as your quest for help was genuine and not a troll of some sort. Most of the closest "friends" I have in the game came from the DA "challenge". It is not scary, it is not emasculating, it is simply a way to fight your opponent and realise either your deficiencies as a pilot, or your proficiencies. Either way thoughts are shared along with first names, and a friendship is born!
Mark
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Originally posted by sullie363
We've all witnessed it, a well known player crying like a child about how they were killed by some "noob twit" or "spit dweeb." What soon follows is a challenge to go to the DA to show who is really "better." What I'm wondering is do the two even relate. In the MA you have a total free for all where anything can and does happen while the DA is this nice controlled environment where duelers go at it in the same plane and altitude 1v1. Even if the person crying dweeb wins, what have they proven? The reason they most likely got killed in the MA in the first place is because they put themselves in the position to get killed, whether it be flying into an obvious 3v1 or setting themselves up to get bounced. I'm not saying good 1v1 ACM isn't something useful, of course it can frequently nab kills. I guess what I'm trying to get at is does going to the DA really resolve an MA issue where the whole point is almost to fight as unfair as possible. I mean at the end of the day what matters, your ability to win in the DA or the common sense to win in the MA. Keep in mind I don't take any of this very serious, just making an observation of the way others act.
just go with the right people and you will have fun.
and the MA didnt always circle around ' win unfairly at all costs'.....and still you can find those who like to win a fair fight.
to answer your question, Yes, the DA does show who is 'better', the MA hides it. winning from good planning or from luck in the MA means nothing.
good fortune and advantage conceals the true talents of a man, adversity and equal footing demands it.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
to answer your question, Yes, the DA does show who is 'better', the MA hides it. winning from good planning or from luck in the MA means nothing.
good fortune and advantage conceals the true talents of a man, adversity and equal footing demands it.
THAT is about the most perfect explanation of the DA vs. the MA I have ever read.
:aok
kudos to you sir.
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Batfink you just scored a negative on the Sullie Manhood Scale. Grats.
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The dueling arena is fine, but if you feel the need to challenge someone over a single engagement in the MA because they had more e, had the better plane, had you outnumbered (but they're a dweeb) etc. it's not relevant: what failed you was situation awareness, not flying/gunnery skill.
I agree with others that a good DA challenge is against someone superior, who you know will teach you something just by shooting you down.:cool:
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First was some guy ranked in the top 20 something and normally flew a P38. My ranking was somewhere in the thousands so I had nothing to lose. I chose the A65Mb for our planes, and as luck would have it exploded him shortly after one or two turns -- right in the cockpit KABOOM!!!! I had to tell the story on 200 of course, since that was where the little contest really began. Never saw him again after that day, I presume he changed his name.
The second time I was baited into such a match I lost it, and the guy was so ecstatic that he actually flew to another base to land to keep me from upping and going after him. His challenge came after he stupidly chased me back to our CV and followed me up when I went vertical over the ack. :lol I do remember his name and still see him occasionally. His handle rhymes with "Dumb".
So yeah it's a place to get pwnd by someone angry at themselves for being stupid. But on a given day and hour, it's a place to drive a fatal stab into the heart of a big mouth little punk schoolyard bully
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
to answer your question, Yes, the DA does show who is 'better', the MA hides it. winning from good planning or from luck in the MA means nothing.
good fortune and advantage conceals the true talents of a man, adversity and equal footing demands it.
Not so sure I would completely agree with that.
Over the years, I have known some to be monsters in the DA ... but were completely lost when encountered in the MA.
If they were encountered the slightest disadvantage, their DA fighting style went completely out the window. If you were slightly higher ... had a little more E ... or your attack did not come from the "straight on" angle ... a little bit of "adversity" would completely take them out of their "game".
adversity and equal footing demands it
Adversity and equal cannot be used together in this context ... it doesn't make sense.
I am more in awe of pilot(s) in Aces High that can fight from a disadvantage (adversity) and transform the fight to "equal footing", and then win, more than someone who can consistently wack people of the the DA sky.
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I thought DA meant something else.... I've never been there. :noid
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Originally posted by moot
Batfink you just scored a negative on the Sullie Manhood Scale. Grats.
Huh? Actually I agree with him. I also agree with slapshot, it all depends.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I am more in awe of pilot(s) in Aces High that can fight from a disadvantage (adversity) and transform the fight to "equal footing", and then win...
those kind of guys are fairly rare...
:noid
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lately in the morning i have been calling people to fight in the DA. why? i get better fights .and i have been seeing some great fights. all 1v1 . sometimes i win sometimes i lose. but i walk a way a better pilot for it. it gets old in the MA. how many times can u get cherried by a spit or la. just zooming in stealin kills. integrity in the MA is pretty low. and when i do leave the DA i usually have a new respect for the person i was dueling and hopefully visa versa. maybe for some its a chest thumping splurge of testosterone but for me i look at dog fighting as an art and wanna duel another artist. and not get cherried by some clown painting by numbers.
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Originally posted by FTDEEP
lately in the morning i have been calling people to fight in the DA. why? i get better fights .and i have been seeing some great fights. all 1v1 . sometimes i win sometimes i lose. but i walk a way a better pilot for it. it gets old in the MA. how many times can u get cherried by a spit or la. just zooming in stealin kills. integrity in the MA is pretty low. and when i do leave the DA i usually have a new respect for the person i was dueling and hopefully visa versa. maybe for some its a chest thumping splurge of testosterone but for me i look at dog fighting as an art and wanna duel another artist. and not get cherried by some clown painting by numbers.
fun fights this mornin... you should have seen the country text b4 we went... the bish dont seem to like you 4 some reason.
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1 vs 1 are fine and can improve your skills. But, the only way you'll truely get better is to fly in a multi bandit furball. It only makes since if your having to track multiple cons in a running fight you'll improve on 1 vs 1 sets. I find it easier to fly in MW because when your in a 1 vs 3 fight your usually not having to watch some 2 or 3 more 2K higher licking their chops.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
1 vs 1 are fine and can improve your skills. But, the only way you'll truely get better is to fly in a multi bandit furball. It only makes since if your having to track multiple cons in a running fight you'll improve on 1 vs 1 sets.
[BlatantPlug]Such as in a King of the Hill for example?[/BlatantPlug]
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I have been chalenged and have given challenges to the DA, I have won and lost, but the one thing that seems to remain constant for me is this:
No matter why the challenge was issued or how hot the tempers have flared, during the DA session (and after) both parties have come out with a bit more respect and even comradrie, and the original "reason" for the fight is lost.
All of a sudden we are sharing advice and even get/give a when seen in the MA.
If your having trouble with the way things are 'going down' for you or with certain others, just remember.....
"If you always do what you always did you will always get what you always got".......
all, good luck, see you in the air and all that nicety stuff
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Originally posted by Shane
those kind of guys are fairly rare...
:noid
There are still some out there Shane ... not as many as we use to have ... but there are some coming up on the horizon.
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Originally posted by sullie363
Huh? Actually I agree with him. I also agree with slapshot, it all depends.
You equate manhood with inputs to a joystick hooked up to a computer monitor.
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Originally posted by Shane
those kind of guys are fairly rare...
:noid
like old names! :D
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Shane! Come back, Shane!
;)
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For what it is worth I believe DA and MA cannot even be compared to each other. (For the sake of the following statements consider ACM as the classic dogfighting since that is the way most people think of it. The arguement could be made that an aircraft successfully bouncing an unaware player is also ACM.)
DA=1v1 ACM.
MA is about tactics and situational awareness and decision making. ACM does not even come into the equation unless you make a mistake with one of them.
So in the MA I think of ACM as more of a CYA than as a goal in and of itself.
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Originally posted by Sonicblu
Oh great skyrock,
You always attack the person, I'm sure it would be out of the realm of possibility,or your ego, or your "online persona" to actually help someone.
When I first started I didn't know what a ho was much less that is its frowned upon in the game. It would have been much more helpful for some one to let me know one better way to merge and maybe an acm or two. The other day one of the top players hoed me and told me it was my fault because I did a lazy Merge. Again no help. I even ask " how can I merge better". NO reply the guy just logged. You better pilots out their take it personal because you assume that we do it on purpose all the time. Not that we could use some help to learn some acm and merges.
The more your rant the more you get the same, because you don't help. If you want some better fights. Try helping.
I'm sure you want to tell me to go to the TA..... Thats where you learn at.
Well you will just have to fly against noob idiots like me.
Oh one more thing some guys couldn't explain what they do or how they do it anyway, they just fly by the seat of thier pants and throw in some fancy terminoloy.
I would be happy to learn from you anytime.
SkyRock is a good guy. He was taught me a lot from only a few times in the DA. He is a great teacher and he is able to make something that seems difficult, easy to learn.
Good guy in my own opinion.
Normally i go to the DA when someone makes me mad but by the time of the first fight it is in the past and were just their for a good time and to learn new things.
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I have had some what I consider to awesome fights with Batfink in the DA.
What i like about them mostly is the joking back and forth and that there is no animosity or trash talking when its over.
He usually points out the things I did wrong or the few and far between things I have done correctly.
For me, during the fight I have the whole 'can't breath, sweating profusely' reaction and I am thrilled when i see his name on the roster in the DA for the chance to try again.
big to batfink and the class he brings with him to the game.:aok
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Originally posted by 2fly
For what it is worth I believe DA and MA cannot even be compared to each other. (For the sake of the following statements consider ACM as the classic dogfighting since that is the way most people think of it. The arguement could be made that an aircraft successfully bouncing an unaware player is also ACM.)
DA=1v1 ACM.
MA is about tactics and situational awareness and decision making. ACM does not even come into the equation unless you make a mistake with one of them.
So in the MA I think of ACM as more of a CYA than as a goal in and of itself.
In the MA, w/o the understanding of what to do in a fight you are mere fodder for those that do.
Surviving in the MA is about SA, position AND fighting. With out the abillity to actually FIGHT you end up being just another face shooting running cherrypicker weenie which sums up pretty much 99% of the fights you find in the MA.
Why anybody would have the opinion that actually knowing how to fight 1 on 1 is not that important is beyond me.
My fav. is using my SA and position ability to FORCE said face shooting running cherypicking weenies to FIGHT. I chuckle when they suddenly find themself with me D200 behind them and have no clue what to do, or how it happened. If they are not nose to nose or running like heck they don't know what to do and that's just too bad. These players are missing out what is really fun about this game. (Aerial Combat)
It's gota suck to have to die 3-4 times to get a single kill. One would think that you would want to learn how to kill more than you die. You can have all the SA and Position ability in the world but if you can't fight you are going to die when you run up against someone that can.
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I know what you mean WMlute. I did not mean to imply that it was not important, only that it is a last resort. If all goes well, you will never get the chance to be D200 behind me. But of course that happens and then the "fun" is on.
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Slapshot, i should have written 'adversity OR equal footing'. IE both disadvantaged OR equal fights.
Originally posted by FBplmmr
I have had some what I consider to awesome fights with Batfink in the DA.
What i like about them mostly is the joking back and forth and that there is no animosity or trash talking when its over.
He usually points out the things I did wrong or the few and far between things I have done correctly.
For me, during the fight I have the whole 'can't breath, sweating profusely' reaction and I am thrilled when i see his name on the roster in the DA for the chance to try again.
big to batfink and the class he brings with him to the game.:aok
S! Plmmr, takes one to know one. i look forward to our next session very much. and stop with the modesty, your F6F of doom tears me apart.
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Reading through all of this again, it occurs to me. Aren't the "win at all costs, fight as unfair as possible" types working just as hard or harder to protect their egos?
I don't think the MA and DA relate directly. However, in the limited time I spent in there, I did learn some things, which I probably should have learned in the TA or MA, but I'm not a hardcore combat pielut. It's like everything else, I suppose. A slight change in perspective and you see a little more of things. So, you can take what you learn with you, and if you're creative, you can apply it to different situations in the MA, which can be good.
More than the DA/MA correlation, I'm concerned by the "don't fight without pronounced advantages" crowd. You realize that if everyone flew that way, this would be the suckiest game ever? Conversely, the only reason you're able to fight from an advantage, is that many others refuse to fight from an advantage. All that crap about SA trumping ACM, and "realistic tactics" just comes across as a thinly veiled rationale for being timid in a cartoon airplane.
Sorry, wandering off topic, but it just got me thinking about the perspectives of both sides in this.
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Originally posted by moot
You equate manhood with inputs to a joystick hooked up to a computer monitor.
I was suggesting that is what others seem to think when trying to drag somebody into the DA, as well as being a slight jab at humor.
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I flew some unfair advantage cheating bastard sorties yesterday, for a change. Usualy I fly the 152 ignoring the odds, tending to get myself in all the disadvantageous positions I can get away with.
This time I tried to put all the odds on my side, and came out with a few 20-30 kill sorties and a bunch of 7-13 streaks. I didn't steal any kills (maybe 3-4 out of all that).
It's boring.
Hub, I win at all costs but not in the sense you seem to be saying. I'll look for all the challenges I can find and handicap myself if needed. E.g. I don't spray. If I have a snapshot setup, I don't just hold down the trigger. I just stab it once (like 2-4 MK108's worth) and if I got the timing wrong, too bad. It's not about winning at all costs, it's about finding and beating all the challenges you can, even if it means creating them yourself by e.g. giving your six. The only real victory is the one where you've beaten every single attempt the opposition made.. anything else is arguably a fluke.
edit- Reread your post, oops.
Alright Sullie, my bad.
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My point got missed maybe because I shared my thoughts in the wrong thread. I try again anyway.
I apprieciate the response from Mark I would enjoy learning from you in the DA.
My point wasn't that I could not find training or that I could not learn from skyrock. Many in the DA have taken the time to help me learn. Cbizkit, batfink, sonic22, just to name a few. Murdr's help and website is great.
My point is that "the result you get in the main arena is the meaning of the communication you have been giving." as it refers to ho's twits lamers name calling and the such. You can't expect better game play when you lower the bar yourself, and use sloppy over generalizations.
There is an expectation of proper game play and ACMs it can only be helped by helping with the expectation that the person you helped will become a better pilot and will have a better attitude toward you. When you call someone a ho twit it only lowers the over all game play.
You expect a clean merge, but you don't do the same when you communicate it. You come in with a "verbal ho" or you "verbally bnz" the person. How can you expect the person not to gang, ho, or pick you the next time. I've seen it when a person gets berated on 200 or the forums they are the first ones that will get mad and make sure they ho, or vulch you the next time they see you in the MA. You expect them to fly a certain way yet you don't hold yourself to the same standard when you berate them.
"emotion up, intelect down" Thats what some of you go for and that is what you get. Did you really expect something different in the MA? You verbally vulch them on 200 getting thier emotion up, then when the come back with intelect down and you blame it all on them.
Don't cry when the game for you has become a place where people don't play fair with you any more or you have noticed a change in game play.
My point is raise the bar.
As far as the Muppets that totally got the wrong point and just assumed. I was invited to the DA to learn, by my brother, he had been invited by "................" I had just got on local channel when I heard " get .......... out this isn't for you" directed and my brother. We just both left. Even though my brother reminded this person that he had just given a personal invitaion to come over to the DA. Ask skyrock he was there. My brother was Dm6.
I have asked Skyrock for help before I will be glad to let you know exactly what he said please PM me. I also asked lazer for help Ill tell you what he said also. I am sure base on the respone I got this time from Mark that he must of been having a bad night or something. It would be hard for others to get past, some never will. You can expect the ho, vulch, pick, bnz to name a few, from them. I will continue to improve my game play. I look forward to getting to know you better and learn from all of you.
If those of you don't want to help just say so. It's ok with me. Its just interesting that you use a different standard between flying and communicating. "join a squad or go to the Ta" lol... That proves my point. Were you really trying to help or get my emotion up. hehe I am sure it was just your sense of humor.
With respect
Daniel
P.S. I like in game channel 200 banter just as much as anyone. The personal over generalizations just lower the game play. If someone says I got ownt or am easy kill, great I try to have a comeback. If someone says that the Ma is only full ho twits lamers and what not, well thats what it will be for them.
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Originally posted by Shane
those kind of guys are fairly rare...
:noid
shhhh.... lala ho's don't count :)
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Originally posted by Sonicblu
My point got missed maybe because I shared my thoughts in the wrong thread. I try again anyway.
I apprieciate the response from Mark I would enjoy learning from you in the DA.
My point wasn't that I could not find training or that I could not learn from skyrock. Many in the DA have taken the time to help me learn. Cbizkit, batfink, sonic22, just to name a few. Murdr's help and website is great.
My point is that "the result you get in the main arena is the meaning of the communication you have been giving." as it refers to ho's twits lamers name calling and the such. You can't expect better game play when you lower the bar yourself, and use sloppy over generalizations.
There is an expectation of proper game play and ACMs it can only be helped by helping with the expectation that the person you helped will become a better pilot and will have a better attitude toward you. When you call someone a ho twit it only lowers the over all game play.
You expect a clean merge, but you don't do the same when you communicate it. You come in with a "verbal ho" or you "verbally bnz" the person. How can you expect the person not to gang, ho, or pick you the next time. I've seen it when a person gets berated on 200 or the forums they are the first ones that will get mad and make sure they ho, or vulch you the next time they see you in the MA. You expect them to fly a certain way yet you don't hold yourself to the same standard when you berate them.
"emotion up, intelect down" Thats what some of you go for and that is what you get. Did you really expect something different in the MA? You verbally vulch them on 200 getting thier emotion up, then when the come back with intelect down and you blame it all on them.
Don't cry when the game for you has become a place where people don't play fair with you any more or you have noticed a change in game play.
My point is raise the bar.
As far as the Muppets that totally got the wrong point and just assumed. I was invited to the DA to learn, by my brother, he had been invited by "................" I had just got on local channel when I heard " get .......... out this isn't for you" directed and my brother. We just both left. Even though my brother reminded this person that he had just given a personal invitaion to come over to the DA. Ask skyrock he was there. My brother was Dm6.
I have asked Skyrock for help before I will be glad to let you know exactly what he said please PM me. I also asked lazer for help Ill tell you what he said also. I am sure base on the respone I got this time from Mark that he must of been having a bad night or something. It would be hard for others to get past, some never will. You can expect the ho, vulch, pick, bnz to name a few, from them. I will continue to improve my game play. I look forward to getting to know you better and learn from all of you.
If those of you don't want to help just say so. It's ok with me. Its just interesting that you use a different standard between flying and communicating. "join a squad or go to the Ta" lol... That proves my point. Were you really trying to help or get my emotion up. hehe I am sure it was just your sense of humor.
With respect
Daniel
P.S. I like in game channel 200 banter just as much as anyone. The personal over generalizations just lower the game play. If someone says I got ownt or am easy kill, great I try to have a comeback. If someone says that the Ma is only full ho twits lamers and what not, well thats what it will be for them.
Daniel, I would like a PM on what I responded with when you asked me for help. If it was negative, it definitely was out of character in that context.
Mark
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When I ask people if they want to go to DA, its just for fun fight rather then to pad ego.
I don't believe myself to have ego nor will ever claim to be better then one person or another.
For example, and I am sure people have noticed this with kdweeb and I. Him and I have lot of respect for the other and have had great fights. We just like to talk friendly smack to each other lol.
I just play with respect for everyone, although there are couple that seem to need to pratice foot in mouth and learn not to be such ego manicals
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Originally posted by sullie363
We've all witnessed it, a well known player crying like a child about how they were killed by some "noob twit" or "spit dweeb." What soon follows is a challenge to go to the DA to show who is really "better." What I'm wondering is do the two even relate. In the MA you have a total free for all where anything can and does happen while the DA is this nice controlled environment where duelers go at it in the same plane and altitude 1v1. Even if the person crying dweeb wins, what have they proven? The reason they most likely got killed in the MA in the first place is because they put themselves in the position to get killed, whether it be flying into an obvious 3v1 or setting themselves up to get bounced. I'm not saying good 1v1 ACM isn't something useful, of course it can frequently nab kills. I guess what I'm trying to get at is does going to the DA really resolve an MA issue where the whole point is almost to fight as unfair as possible. I mean at the end of the day what matters, your ability to win in the DA or the common sense to win in the MA. Keep in mind I don't take any of this very serious, just making an observation of the way others act.
Ohhh, just say it. Who did you pick off? The whines you speak off don't start until some smart arse comment comes from the picker. So? Who was it? did you go?
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I think a small manhood is to blame. When AHII is the last bastion of salvation for one so unfairly endowed, the mere loss of a fight in a cartoon game pushes the lacking individual over the edge. They scream at you to join them in the DA to prove he was just in the pool.....it's shrinkage!
Honestly, if I beat you in the MA, it might well have been a fluke, or you made an error I capitalized on. No big deal. You aren't really dead. Just up again and come back to avenge your genetic defect.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Ohhh, just say it. Who did you pick off? The whines you speak off don't start until some smart arse comment comes from the picker. So? Who was it? did you go?
LOL
Actually this was just something I'd been thinking about for a couple days. After seeing two players get into it after a furball island incident, I figured I'd make a post.